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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Slowdiving on Tue, 04 March 2014, 12:23:27
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I'm writing this from an all 45-g Realforce 87. I don't game anymore, but I thought I'd put it out there:
If you mod this board via this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=49046.0), the shortened actuation distance and the lightness of the 45g makes for a nice environment for low-resistance, rapid presses.
I'm not sure how it measures up to the time-tested cherry switches, but if you want a topre to type on but also game, I recommend you try it.
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I was gaming on my 55g Topre just fine (when I had it).
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I was gaming on my 55g Topre just fine (when I had it).
Yeah, I game on my 45g un-modded Realforce with zero problems.
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I was gaming on my 55g Topre just fine (when I had it).
I was gaming on my 55g Topre just fine (when I had it).
Yeah, I game on my 45g un-modded Realforce with zero problems.
Same here. The shorter distance would loan itself well to a gamer though. I posted this, in case somebody wanted to try it out
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I was gaming on my 55g Topre just fine (when I had it).
I was gaming on my 55g Topre just fine (when I had it).
Yeah, I game on my 45g un-modded Realforce with zero problems.
Same here. The shorter distance would loan itself well to a gamer though. I posted this, in case somebody wanted to try it out
Yeah I know. Surely someone would be interested. :)
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Would the main keys (WASD) end up feeling more worn down from all the gaming that I would do? Or am I being paranoid?
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Reading some of these should give you some background information:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=21258.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=50905.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51698.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52228.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=52337.0
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Would the main keys (WASD) end up feeling more worn down from all the gaming that I would do? Or am I being paranoid?
That's probably what would happen.
OP: I don't like gaming on Topre because it doesn't let me float my switches like MX.
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Would the main keys (WASD) end up feeling more worn down from all the gaming that I would do? Or am I being paranoid?
If you type a **** ton too, it might balance out though.
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OP: I don't like gaming on Topre because it doesn't let me float my switches like MX.
Understandable. Out of curiosity, could I ask what game you're playing?
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OP: I don't like gaming on Topre because it doesn't let me float my switches like MX.
Understandable. Out of curiosity, could I ask what game you're playing?
Dota 2 and Team Fortress 2 if I'm not mistaken. :P
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gaming on a cherry blues is the best. Wake up erbody
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OP: I don't like gaming on Topre because it doesn't let me float my switches like MX.
Understandable. Out of curiosity, could I ask what game you're playing?
Dota 2 and Team Fortress 2 if I'm not mistaken. :P
Lately moreso Dawngate and TF2, not DotA.
And a little hearthstone, but that's not exactly a keyboard intensive game.
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I'm betting that this would also lower the actuation force a bit. On Topre switches, the peak force is at the top of the "bump." By adding one of the pads, you would probably already be a little bit into the bump.
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I'm betting that this would also lower the actuation force a bit. On Topre switches, the peak force is at the top of the "bump." By adding one of the pads, you would probably already be a little bit into the bump.
Correct! I can feel the actuation is significantly reduced. I wish I wasn't too busy to SC2 anymore :(
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This is actually really interesting, because I think what makes Topre a lot less gaming friendly is the differences with actuation. Cherry switches can actuate a lot earlier, or at least feel that way, and I think that lends itself to gaming a lot better. I'll look into this mod though, looks interesting. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from abandoning my Cherry boards.
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I didn't mind variable force topre when gaming but to be honest, reds blow it out of the water.
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This is actually really interesting, because I think what makes Topre a lot less gaming friendly is the differences with actuation. Cherry switches can actuate a lot earlier, or at least feel that way, and I think that lends itself to gaming a lot better. I'll look into this mod though, looks interesting. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from abandoning my Cherry boards.
I think the actuation point is about the same...
I don't like gaming on my Topre but it isn't about performance for me..it is about feel..I'm not sure what it is, I just don't like using it...or I should say I just strongly prefer Cherry for gaming...I just use my Topres for work related stuff...
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This is actually really interesting, because I think what makes Topre a lot less gaming friendly is the differences with actuation. Cherry switches can actuate a lot earlier, or at least feel that way, and I think that lends itself to gaming a lot better. I'll look into this mod though, looks interesting. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from abandoning my Cherry boards.
I think the actuation point is about the same...
I don't like gaming on my Topre but it isn't about performance for me..it is about feel..I'm not sure what it is, I just don't like using it...or I should say I just strongly prefer Cherry for gaming...I just use my Topres for work related stuff...
While the actuation points are similar, by nature of Topre I can't really actuate the same way I can with Cherry. If I press the keys slowly and really carefully, I can actuate around the same place, but in application, I press much farther on Topre than I do with Cherry.
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You mean you can't stop yourself at around actuation...that is probably true..but probably pretty irrelevant...I don't know any gamers that try to stop themselves at actuation rather than just hit bottom...It just isn't worth trying to do that...
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You mean you can't stop yourself at around actuation...that is probably true..but probably pretty irrelevant...I don't know any gamers that try to stop themselves at actuation rather than just hit bottom...It just isn't worth trying to do that...
I don't try to stop at actuation when I game, I do it naturally with Cherry switches, but not with Topre. It may be irrelevant to you, but obviously many people agree that Topre isn't a very good gaming switch, and actuation is the reason I personally don't prefer it.
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You mean you can't stop yourself at around actuation...that is probably true..but probably pretty irrelevant...I don't know any gamers that try to stop themselves at actuation rather than just hit bottom...It just isn't worth trying to do that...
I don't try to stop at actuation when I game, I do it naturally with Cherry switches, but not with Topre. It may be irrelevant to you, but obviously many people agree that Topre isn't a very good gaming switch, and actuation is the reason I personally don't prefer it.
Which games are you talking about? FPS I can see it..RTS I can not..a lot of games offer no advantage for doing so which is why a lot of people make sure it actuates by going beyond it.
I don't like Topre for gaming either..but not for the reasons you mentioned..I just don't think it feels right. It isn't the actuation you have an issue with though..it is the collapsing of the dome which has nothing to do with the actuation point..
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I didn't like Topre for gaming at first either - it felt unresponsive compared to an MX switch. I have since sold all my Cherry boards and game on my Topre boards just fine!
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This is actually really interesting, because I think what makes Topre a lot less gaming friendly is the differences with actuation. Cherry switches can actuate a lot earlier, or at least feel that way, and I think that lends itself to gaming a lot better. I'll look into this mod though, looks interesting. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from abandoning my Cherry boards.
Let me know how it works out. The irony is that, I'm considering getting rid of my RF and getting a DS3 TKL w blacks ;) The switches you don't have always look more appealing, methinks
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This is actually really interesting, because I think what makes Topre a lot less gaming friendly is the differences with actuation. Cherry switches can actuate a lot earlier, or at least feel that way, and I think that lends itself to gaming a lot better. I'll look into this mod though, looks interesting. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from abandoning my Cherry boards.
Let me know how it works out. The irony is that, I'm considering getting rid of my RF and getting a DS3 TKL w blacks ;) The switches you don't have always look more appealing, methinks
Oh absolutely, that's why I don't sell any of my multitudes of keyboards :)) But in all seriousness, I played counter strike and starcraft 2 pretty extensively on my HHKB and didn't notice any difference over a year or so of heavy us in the wasd cluster or 'e' '3' or '4', which are all very common keys for me in starcraft. I actually really liked it for both games. Neither ones really need the f-row, and the actuation wasn't an issue for me, although I have pretty heavy fingers. I always bottom out.
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This is actually really interesting, because I think what makes Topre a lot less gaming friendly is the differences with actuation. Cherry switches can actuate a lot earlier, or at least feel that way, and I think that lends itself to gaming a lot better. I'll look into this mod though, looks interesting. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from abandoning my Cherry boards.
Let me know how it works out. The irony is that, I'm considering getting rid of my RF and getting a DS3 TKL w blacks ;) The switches you don't have always look more appealing, methinks
Oh absolutely, that's why I don't sell any of my multitudes of keyboards :)) But in all seriousness, I played counter strike and starcraft 2 pretty extensively on my HHKB and didn't notice any difference over a year or so of heavy us in the wasd cluster or 'e' '3' or '4', which are all very common keys for me in starcraft. I actually really liked it for both games. Neither ones really need the f-row, and the actuation wasn't an issue for me, although I have pretty heavy fingers. I always bottom out.
You mustn't play Zerg then, as F keys (bound to camera locations) are almost essential for most modern Queen inject methods and just plain useful in general.
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This is actually really interesting, because I think what makes Topre a lot less gaming friendly is the differences with actuation. Cherry switches can actuate a lot earlier, or at least feel that way, and I think that lends itself to gaming a lot better. I'll look into this mod though, looks interesting. Gaming is the only thing keeping me from abandoning my Cherry boards.
Let me know how it works out. The irony is that, I'm considering getting rid of my RF and getting a DS3 TKL w blacks ;) The switches you don't have always look more appealing, methinks
Oh absolutely, that's why I don't sell any of my multitudes of keyboards :)) But in all seriousness, I played counter strike and starcraft 2 pretty extensively on my HHKB and didn't notice any difference over a year or so of heavy us in the wasd cluster or 'e' '3' or '4', which are all very common keys for me in starcraft. I actually really liked it for both games. Neither ones really need the f-row, and the actuation wasn't an issue for me, although I have pretty heavy fingers. I always bottom out.
You mustn't play Zerg then, as F keys (bound to camera locations) are almost essential for most modern Queen inject methods and just plain useful in general.
Yeah I only play Z at a low level. I rebound my camera hotkeys to some alpha-numeric keys that I could still reach control at. I didn't use them all that much for toss and terran. For those two races I'd say they're less essential. That may just be me though. For a while, I was no slouch at the game either ;)
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You can game on anything.
Anybody tells you different then they are full of ****. No switch is going to make you better or worse. We all feel at home with different switches. Doesnt make one better than the other.
Edit: in the end, if you arent typing a minimum of 100wpm, well, i hate to break it to you but you dont deserve a mechanical keyboard. /s
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You can game on anything.
Anybody tells you different then they are full of ****. No switch is going to make you better or worse. We all feel at home with different switches. Doesnt make one better than the other.
Edit: in the end, if you arent typing a minimum of 100wpm, well, i hate to break it to you but you dont deserve a mechanical keyboard. /s
have you seen http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/404476-fleet-keys-refined-hotkey-systems ?
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You can game on anything.
I sencond that - Which is true for about 99.9% of the population on 99.9% of the games.
It's funny how the Razer marketing folks will try to make you believe otherwise.
But regardless of the switches, some gamers (like me) required a numpad.
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You can game on anything.
I sencond that - Which is true for about 99.9% of the population on 99.9% of the games.
It's funny how the Razer marketing folks will try to make you believe otherwise.
But regardless of the switches, some gamers (like me) required a numpad.
You can game on anything, but you can prefer to game on specific switches, and prefer specific layouts.
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You can game on anything.
I sencond that - Which is true for about 99.9% of the population on 99.9% of the games.
It's funny how the Razer marketing folks will try to make you believe otherwise.
But regardless of the switches, some gamers (like me) required a numpad.
You can game on anything, but you can prefer to game on specific switches, and prefer specific layouts.
I.e., it's all personal preference.
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Indeed it is... I moved from a QFR with MX Reds to an FC660C and haven't had any issues in the transition. I play a lot of Dota 2 and Titanfall and the thock is marvelous for both games. :D