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Title: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: HendyZone on Tue, 25 March 2014, 09:18:46
they heard us about that glossy fingerprint :cool:

noww looks so elegant :cool:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/68518674/daskeyboard-4-ultimate-front-view-carousel.jpg)

Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 25 March 2014, 09:21:07
Wow. Looks much nicer. And with a volume wheel to boot!
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 25 March 2014, 09:21:29
http://www.geek.com/news/das-keyboard-4-announced-with-aluminum-design-and-dedicated-media-controls-1588928/ (http://www.geek.com/news/das-keyboard-4-announced-with-aluminum-design-and-dedicated-media-controls-1588928/)

here is an article on it

and a link to manufacturer's site

http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-professional/
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Lastpilot on Tue, 25 March 2014, 09:24:19
http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4-professional/

A definite improvement over the previous model.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 25 March 2014, 09:30:57
Looks like a nice keyboard.  I don't like fullsize so I won't be buying one, but it seems to be good design.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Slowdiving on Tue, 25 March 2014, 09:31:24
Looks clean.  I still think the bulge on the bezel takes away from the silhouette, though.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: blackbox on Tue, 25 March 2014, 09:59:07
looks nice! i feel that the media controls is a bit unessesary.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Tue, 25 March 2014, 10:00:42
Ugh @ footbar. Not good for people (like me) who tuck the legs of their monitor under the keyboard in the gap between the feet, so that the monitor can be further forward. The fact that the footbar can double as a ruler is kinda cool, though.

More minus points for the upper surface of the case extending outwards of the sides. Looks like it will hurt both device life (because of wires/hands/other objects getting caught beneath it and tossing the keyboard around) and comfort.

Overall, I don't see this new model as an improvement.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 25 March 2014, 10:01:25
Your monitor is too close
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Dyslexic on Tue, 25 March 2014, 10:04:12
Damn, I wish I could buy the top bezel and put it on my current Das. Glossy finish ftl.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: EvillePanda on Tue, 25 March 2014, 10:05:10
That is just sexy.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Neo.X on Tue, 25 March 2014, 10:57:09
really nice looking keyboard, interested to see the price tag on it since it has alu case.

And is there a new generation Filco coming?
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: HendyZone on Tue, 25 March 2014, 11:01:12
really nice looking keyboard, interested to see the price tag on it since it has alu case.

And is there a new generation Filco coming?

here is the price tag on their shop
http://shop.daskeyboard.com/products/das-keyboard-4-professional/
http://shop.daskeyboard.com/products/das-keyboard-4-ultimate/

I hope too filco make new generation
Majestouch 3 :))
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: RESPRiT on Tue, 25 March 2014, 11:01:55
Wow, I'm really impressed with their improvements. I've never been a fan of Das, but this might just change my mind.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: JaccoW on Tue, 25 March 2014, 11:02:13
Apparently $30 more than the V3. So $169
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: RESPRiT on Tue, 25 March 2014, 11:12:16
Oh yikes, yeah, just saw the price..
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 25 March 2014, 12:56:38
I want.... This looks amazing. I would like to see how much it flexes, and how the build quality is.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Razor Lotus on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:03:36
Looks really good, although part of me still likes the old design more. More minimalistic although this does look more modern.

Still to expensive for me to purchase one though :(
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Hyde on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:15:46
really nice looking keyboard, interested to see the price tag on it since it has alu case.

And is there a new generation Filco coming?

Is it actually aluminum?  I was wondering about that too but there isn't anywhere on the website that says it's aluminum.

And knowing Das I'd assume they'd advertise it if it actually is indeed aluminum.  Anyone know?
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:29:38
I actually like this.  Nice move, Das.  That video though ... feels like an SNL parody.  ???
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: kinruan on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:35:45
Ordered! I am such a big fan of DAS
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: kinruan on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:36:44
169$ I assume it is not aluminum case
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:37:00
Matte black and a volume wheel? Very nice Das.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: kinruan on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:45:08
it says in the item discription: Anodized aluminium top panel
i think it is the top layer (see item page, 2nd pic), there is a very thin matte black layer. jt is aluminum.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: HendyZone on Tue, 25 March 2014, 13:51:42
Footbar = Ruler :))
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: kinruan on Tue, 25 March 2014, 14:01:39
Footbar = Ruler :))

LOL
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Lu_e on Tue, 25 March 2014, 14:13:36
The ruler sounds like a gimmick to me...

I do like they've designed the case bottom (plastic), to be 'resonance free' though.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 25 March 2014, 16:07:04
Smooth, with a capital smoo.

Also looks like a standard ANSI layout - keycap replacers rejoice!
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 March 2014, 16:13:35
Very sleek looking. Huge improvement over their previous glossy models!
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Novus on Tue, 25 March 2014, 16:52:08
Looks nice.
So expensive though
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Hyde on Tue, 25 March 2014, 16:54:59
Now someone need to get it and open it up for keyboard science.  :P
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 25 March 2014, 16:57:43
buy it for me hyde
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: VP on Tue, 25 March 2014, 17:15:00
No PS2, only USB. No possibility turn on computer from keyboard (option in BIOS).  :(
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: divito on Tue, 25 March 2014, 17:38:54
Das was my first mechanical. Always liked their look (had an Ultimate, and didn't mind gloss), but this is super nice all the way around. If they ever make a TKL, I'm sure some other people might be on board.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: dante on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:08:03
The dimensions on the height can't possibly be correct?  .80"?  IF true this would make it thinner than the G80-38XX series (1.10")
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:18:20
2cm height before the footbar doesn't seem too improbable, does it?

I'm also curious what material the footbar will be made of. Just from looking at the pictures, it'll probably slide around your desk like all Ducky keyboards with their feet raised up.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: dante on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:24:59
2cm height before the footbar doesn't seem too improbable, does it?

It doesn't seem possible.  If it is, those switches must be mounted to the bottom of the case and/or has some sort of Cherry profile keycap.

For reference the G80-38XX is 1.1", Topre TypeHeaven/WASD V2 1.2".  These are the lowest profile Cherry/Topre boards you can get now.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: jameslr on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:32:18
If only it came with GMK doubleshots stock...still very pretty. Having joined the TKL and Topre Fanboi Association (TTFA) I think I'll have to pass on this.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:32:28
2cm height before the footbar doesn't seem too improbable, does it?

It doesn't seem possible.  If it is, those switches must be mounted to the bottom of the case and/or has some sort of Cherry profile keycap.

For reference the G80-38XX is 1.1", Topre TypeHeaven/WASD V2 1.2".  These are the lowest profile Cherry/Topre boards you can get now.

Looking at the pictures again, I think they measured the height of the frame only, and didn't include keycap height.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:33:02
Looks nice.
So expensive though

It's $19 more than a ducky. But we're still not too sure of the build quality.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: paulpats on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:33:22
Hmm should I get this or wait for the corsair mx rgb... Sigh...
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:34:50
Hmm should I get this or wait for the corsair mx rgb... Sigh...

You will soon learn that you'll have to "collect 'em all".  :p
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Candyflip on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:36:55
I don't like the design  :-X
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Hyde on Tue, 25 March 2014, 18:43:43
buy it for me hyde

But you can't use non-blue keyboards.  :P
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: rsantos97 on Tue, 25 March 2014, 20:27:39
Das was my first mechanical. Always liked their look (had an Ultimate, and didn't mind gloss), but this is super nice all the way around. If they ever make a TKL, I'm sure some other people might be on board.

Same here. I always liked the key fonts as well, very futuristic looking, even though many people on here hated on them.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 25 March 2014, 21:28:53
So I was looking into this.
Clicky                                                                  Tactile
(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.daskeyboard.com/images/product/xforce-diagram-click.jpg.pagespeed.ic.EqBySlI1Jr.webp)(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.daskeyboard.com/images/product/xforce-diagram-soft.jpg.pagespeed.ic.C_7zblrQd4.webp)

Those force diagrams look off. I guess the blue just teleports from the operating point to the bottom out.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: tbc on Tue, 25 March 2014, 22:55:44
damn.  if only I was into fullsize and didn't have an ergodox coming.

is this now the lowest z height board?
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Xrayz0r on Wed, 26 March 2014, 06:07:50
The backplate says made in China.

Now unless the ultimate version is still made in taiwan, I guess that's it for Costar Das Keyboards
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 26 March 2014, 06:22:12
Was not a fan of the original design, but this one looks great.  Very stylish.  They even made that top right protrusion on the case, which I found out of place before, contain meaningful parts so it looks very much integral to the overall design now.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: GiraffePencils on Wed, 26 March 2014, 06:50:44
looks good
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: dante on Wed, 26 March 2014, 07:40:02
The backplate says made in China.

Now unless the ultimate version is still made in taiwan, I guess that's it for Costar Das Keyboards

Nice catch!
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Xrayz0r on Wed, 26 March 2014, 10:17:11
The backplate says made in China.

Now unless the ultimate version is still made in taiwan, I guess that's it for Costar Das Keyboards

Nice catch!

If it's true that even the ultimate version isn't made by Costar this time, I'm fairly sure high end users won't be convinced by some dedicated media buttons and a ruler. Will they? Sure the general public doesn't care (as much), but they won't be buying the ultimate anyways.

I'm definitely buying this keyboard. I want one ASAP, in fact it was this news that prevented me from actually seriously ordering a CM quickfire XT yesterday. I was right in the middle of filling out the form, when the email from Das Keyboard came in. I'm now getting the Das, probably before anyone reviews it. I'm just a little worried it might suck
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: daerid on Wed, 26 March 2014, 10:34:03
I'll probably end up getting one, it just looks too damn sexy (plus dat USB 3 hub).

Gonna wait for a review to pop up here though.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: C5Allroad on Wed, 26 March 2014, 12:22:08
If it's made in china.... I will not be buying one.. General public doesn't really care.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Nixietube on Wed, 26 March 2014, 12:41:31
i really dislike the non mechanical function keys.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: wharrislv on Wed, 26 March 2014, 14:11:04
I had my infant son rip the stem off one of my switches on a das about a year ago.  It was my first "high end" mechanical keyboard since the old days of having focus 2001s at work in the 90s.  They have no repair service.  If you want, they can sell you a refurbished board for $30 off their retail price, as long as you send them your old board back(LOL!), that is their only repair option.  I repaired the switch and sold the das it irritated me so much.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 26 March 2014, 15:53:47
is this now the lowest z height board?

nowhere near, especially with that foot. I think the bevel on the bottom is added height as well.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Macsmasher on Thu, 27 March 2014, 05:34:42
TKL and Topre Fanboi Association (TTFA)

Hahaha! I'm card carrying member.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 27 March 2014, 16:12:04
TKL and Topre Fanboi Association (TTFA)

Hahaha! I'm card carrying member.

Never mind the card - I'm a keyboard carrying member :p
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Xrayz0r on Fri, 28 March 2014, 02:38:36
I emailed Das Keyboard and they told me the ultimate version will still be made in Taiwan. Now, as you could expect, they assured me that the quality of the chinese manufacturers is on par.

I don't know... on the one hand I want printed keycaps, but I don't want to end up in the pissed off customer 1-star review list on Amazon.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: davkol on Fri, 28 March 2014, 07:38:55
If it has a standard layout, you can always get an aftermarket set. After all, those OEM keycaps have a tradition of being crap.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Hyde on Fri, 28 March 2014, 08:36:19
I emailed Das Keyboard and they told me the ultimate version will still be made in Taiwan. Now, as you could expect, they assured me that the quality of the chinese manufacturers is on par.

I don't know... on the one hand I want printed keycaps, but I don't want to end up in the pissed off customer 1-star review list on Amazon.

I find this a bit surprising because the Ultimate made in Taiwan because it has different bottom row (no FN key).  So it was kind of a different keyboard.

But now they're practically identical I wonder why they built them in difference places.

However that's still good news for us.  :)
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Zombly on Fri, 28 March 2014, 10:36:17
Looks like a beauty, also not sure if it's worth the price tag, I'd like to grab this or the code mx clear, I'll see when April rolls around.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: ynrozturk on Fri, 28 March 2014, 13:46:40
This looks amazing I must say. I prefer TKL so I will probably pass, but design wise it looks great.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: BucklingSpring on Fri, 28 March 2014, 17:53:30
Darth Vader will not approve this one... But I think it is a good thing :-)

I like the new design too.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Xrayz0r on Sat, 29 March 2014, 04:37:08
PC mag has already reviewed it. As I suspected, the ruler just comes across as lame.

If you're gonna do something totally random and arbitrary, the usefulness should at least outweigh the randomness, or you'll leave people wondering what's the point. Sorta like Ockham's Razer, don't randomly make something up unless you need it.

Why invest the extra cost (even if it is slight) if you can use that money to improve some other aspect of the keyboard. Make a higher quality sleeve for the cable, the plastic is hideous and totally unflexible. Make it detachable with a usb plug, anything. I can buy a ruler myself, for 20 cents, one that does not have an annoying thick triangular shape, and does not have the consequence of losing the tilt function of my keyboard if it happens to get lost.

Don't worry, I'm still buying the keyboard, it just pisses me off that some pretentious dumbass at a Das Keyboard meeting, trying to be different for the sake of being different, is responsible for the stupid tilt function on my keyboard.

Sorry for ranting
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: tbc on Sat, 29 March 2014, 05:08:21
i don't think anyone who actually wants the tilt is actually going to use it as a ruler.  it's for people who don't want the tilt.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: davkol on Sat, 29 March 2014, 06:26:56
Sorta like Ockham's Razer, don't randomly make something up unless you need it.

I see what you did there...
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Xrayz0r on Sat, 29 March 2014, 09:39:33
Sorta like Ockham's Razer, don't randomly make something up unless you need it.

I see what you did there...

I de-metaphysicized ockhams razor. Quite awesome


i don't think anyone who actually wants the tilt is actually going to use it as a ruler.  it's for people who don't want the tilt

Exactly. So let's say you want it flat, you don't want the tilt. Would you prefer the complete randomness of having an extra ruler around, or would you prefer a higher quality cable sleeve?

"We got tired of those itty bitty plastic keyboard feet. They are fragile and typical." - Das Keyboard

Having a standard 104 layout is typical, what's wrong with typical? Might as well ditch scroll lock and pauze, as they are both typical and nobody uses them (correct me if I'm wrong). Put a pencil sharpener in their place.
As for fragile, you don't have to make them plastic. Make metal ones with rubber coating. I'd seriously pay 10 extra for metal feet that "click" into place, and don't slide around my desk.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: davkol on Sat, 29 March 2014, 10:13:04
Having a standard 104 layout is typical, what's wrong with typical?

EHMAGERD ERGODOX
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sat, 29 March 2014, 10:16:20
Quality cable sleeves is something you notice when you open a New In Box toy.

Something that might also crosses your mind when you try to run the cable in the built-in cable management cracks (if the DAS 4 has some, I don't know)
Detachable is not an important feature for most full size keyboard users as they are not likely to move around as smaller keyboards do.

We could also argue that the volume nob on a wired keyboard is pretty useless.

"As for fragile, you don't have to make them plastic. Make metal ones with rubber coating. I'd seriously pay 10 extra for metal feet that "click" into place, and don't slide around my desk. "

Agreed!!!
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Mooby on Sat, 29 March 2014, 10:57:24
I like volume wheels. But I also like slim cases. If they would sell the volume wheel seperately I'd totaly buy it.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: tbc on Sat, 29 March 2014, 13:46:43
Sorta like Ockham's Razer, don't randomly make something up unless you need it.

I see what you did there...

I de-metaphysicized ockhams razor. Quite awesome


i don't think anyone who actually wants the tilt is actually going to use it as a ruler.  it's for people who don't want the tilt

Exactly. So let's say you want it flat, you don't want the tilt. Would you prefer the complete randomness of having an extra ruler around, or would you prefer a higher quality cable sleeve?

"We got tired of those itty bitty plastic keyboard feet. They are fragile and typical." - Das Keyboard

Having a standard 104 layout is typical, what's wrong with typical? Might as well ditch scroll lock and pauze, as they are both typical and nobody uses them (correct me if I'm wrong). Put a pencil sharpener in their place.
As for fragile, you don't have to make them plastic. Make metal ones with rubber coating. I'd seriously pay 10 extra for metal feet that "click" into place, and don't slide around my desk.

i would just put it back inside the box like i do with extra accessories now.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: daerid on Sun, 30 March 2014, 17:44:40
I use pause/break all the time. Scroll Lock is about the only key I wouldn't miss.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 30 March 2014, 17:54:59
Exactly. So let's say you want it flat, you don't want the tilt. Would you prefer the complete randomness of having an extra ruler around, or would you prefer a higher quality cable sleeve?

This is Geekhack, where invisible gold springs in your switches make you type faster.  Just keep that in mind.  The concept of fun makes a lot of things "worth it".
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Xrayz0r on Mon, 31 March 2014, 01:50:18
I use pause/break all the time. Scroll Lock is about the only key I wouldn't miss.

Still enough for a pencil sharpener.

By the way, what applications still use pause?
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Lu_e on Mon, 31 March 2014, 02:08:16
Starcraft 2
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Lodestar on Tue, 01 April 2014, 06:28:44
Damn... Just bought the Das keyboard ultimate S a month ago and this comes out, thought there was a reason why it was the last one but does anyone here think it is possible to change out the switches with green switches and make a custom braided usb cable?
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Flossed on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:23:04
That price point is a huge turnoff... :eek:
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: ideus on Tue, 01 April 2014, 09:32:22
Looking nice and sleek, the new finishing will take the finger print magnet out of the equation. But it is way too expensive.  :(
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: daerid on Tue, 01 April 2014, 10:27:21
By the way, what applications still use pause?

Win+Pause : System Properties
Control+Pause : Interrupt Visual Studio Build

I use both of those a lot more than you'd think.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: PolaBurrr on Tue, 01 April 2014, 10:31:25
We want tkl!
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: QuadGMoto on Tue, 01 April 2014, 13:12:47
This is Geekhack, where invisible gold springs in your switches make you type faster.  Just keep that in mind.  The concept of fun makes a lot of things "worth it".

That's funny, I thought it was to prevent corrosion so the switch would last longer. But I'll just have to settle for the 'fun' quotient.
 :p
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Smasher816 on Tue, 01 April 2014, 15:00:15
By the way, what applications still use pause?

Win+Pause : System Properties
Control+Pause : Interrupt Visual Studio Build

You can also use it as another key for AHK or something.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Hyde on Tue, 01 April 2014, 16:00:36
A review is up here:


However be warned you might get a bit annoyed watching this video.  This guy handles a $169 keyboard as if it was $5.  It's like come on you spend good money on it can't you be a bit more gentle and pretend you cherish it?

Also if you're gonna do a review maybe a little bit of research before hand would be nice.  For one he didn't know why Das gives the option to enable/disable NKRO.  He also doesn't know the new logo on the window key are actually Das' new logo.

And as he was opening the package he was ripping through that foam wrap, you know there's opening at the top you can just take it out without ripping it?

Okay maybe I'm too harsh on him.  My OCD is coming through.  >_____>

Though if I wasn't so picky maybe I wouldn't be on geekhack.  :p
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: divito on Tue, 01 April 2014, 19:32:06
However be warned you might get a bit annoyed watching this video.  This guy handles a $169 keyboard as if it was $5.  It's like come on you spend good money on it can't you be a bit more gentle and pretend you cherish it?

Also if you're gonna do a review maybe a little bit of research before hand would be nice.  For one he didn't know why Das gives the option to enable/disable NKRO.  He also doesn't know the new logo on the window key are actually Das' new logo.

And as he was opening the package he was ripping through that foam wrap, you know there's opening at the top you can just take it out without ripping it?

Okay maybe I'm too harsh on him.  My OCD is coming through.  >_____>

Though if I wasn't so picky maybe I wouldn't be on geekhack.  :p

I wouldn't say you're being too harsh, though he openly admits that his videos are mainly just a hobby; he's not really after subscribers or views or anything like other Youtube personalities.

I came across his videos last week, and while some aspects of his videos are cringe-worthy, I'd say that the people that find/watch his videos are at a much lower level in any type of technology capacity. And for some topics, he is quite knowledgeable, enough that some oversights can be expected.

Seeing the actual product through this video does make it more tempting if I move back to a full-size. Wouldn't mind adding another Das to my collection and occasional usage, especially with the new features.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 01 April 2014, 20:51:41
Hmmm... I kind of want... It seems too slim, and too flat compared to my ducky...

Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Danoob1337 on Tue, 01 April 2014, 21:25:12
Its $180 (canadian) so i dont know about it but the people who liked the volume wheel on the k70 are going to like this even more. Personally i was hoping metadot came out with a $100 tenkeyless (i just bought a quickfire stealth for $70)
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: minho on Tue, 01 April 2014, 23:55:14
Also if you're gonna do a review maybe a little bit of research before hand would be nice.  For one he didn't know why Das gives the option to enable/disable NKRO.


Why does Das do that? Forgive my ignorance, don't usually pay attention to this stuff.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 01 April 2014, 23:57:58
Also if you're gonna do a review maybe a little bit of research before hand would be nice.  For one he didn't know why Das gives the option to enable/disable NKRO.


Why does Das do that? Forgive my ignorance, don't usually pay attention to this stuff.

Most keyboards that "support" NKRO aren't truly NKRO, and combine two "virtual" keyboards into one.

When you have NKRO enabled, your keyboard is unresponsive under BIOS.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: boradori007 on Wed, 02 April 2014, 00:02:41
Looks better I guess but not a fan of DAS
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Xrayz0r on Wed, 02 April 2014, 12:06:58
A review is up here:

However be warned you might get a bit annoyed watching this video.  This guy handles a $169 keyboard as if it was $5.  It's like come on you spend good money on it can't you be a bit more gentle and pretend you cherish it?

Also if you're gonna do a review maybe a little bit of research before hand would be nice.  For one he didn't know why Das gives the option to enable/disable NKRO.  He also doesn't know the new logo on the window key are actually Das' new logo.

And as he was opening the package he was ripping through that foam wrap, you know there's opening at the top you can just take it out without ripping it?

Okay maybe I'm too harsh on him.  My OCD is coming through.  >_____>

Though if I wasn't so picky maybe I wouldn't be on geekhack.  :p

I agree, I was complaining about the same thing yesterday. I appreciate the review and everything, but it's almost like he doesn't care. He finds out about the ruler, the "symbol" (which can be found right next to the brand name) and the aluminium surface DURING the review, which is amazing. I don't see how that can happen if you take your review (and the company that saw fit to send you a model pre-launch) seriously.

/out of proportion rant



I still don't understand the obscene price point when the keycaps are still low quality plastic. How does that work? Especially since we get a magnet without asking for one..
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 03 April 2014, 10:09:55
^  lol I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this way.  I started to wonder if I'm just overly picky.

It's like you said, I'm glad he's the first to do a review, but just.... yeah....

Oh and I watched the video again omg he was comparing the Das Keyboard to the "Cooler Master CM Storm Keyboard".  You know CM Storm is just Cooler Master's gaming brand right.... and that model is actually CM Storm MECH.

Okay I'll stop picking on him now.  I guess he did say he was sick, so I'll leave it at that.

As for the pricing, maybe Das figures that adding the aluminum top plate and volumn knob is justifiable to the increase in price.  Then again Corsair K70 is like $130 and Mac Keyboard is like $55 both has aluminum finish so I don't know.

Otherwise that keyboard is indeed pretty nice.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Demetrium on Thu, 03 April 2014, 15:47:16
I want one of these! I have Das browns at work and blues at home. Maybe it's time for reds!
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: yicaoyimu on Thu, 03 April 2014, 16:06:41
No MX Red, No buy.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 03 April 2014, 18:00:49
^  Maybe they'll come out with the "Quiet" version later.

Just gotta wait a bit also depending on your preference you might have to leave/take out the o-rings.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 03 April 2014, 18:22:46
^  Maybe they'll come out with the "Quiet" version later.

Just gotta wait a bit also depending on your preference you might have to leave/take out the o-rings.

Brown is the quiet version, isn't it?

In contradistinction to blues, being the "noisy" version.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 03 April 2014, 23:59:50
I think brown was the "silent" version before and red is the "quiet" version.

Now I believe blue is "clicky", brown is "soft tactile" and red is "quiet".

Yeah it's a bit confusing I don't know why they can't just say MX Brown and MX Red.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: blackbox on Fri, 04 April 2014, 00:40:22
I think brown was the "silent" version before and red is the "quiet" version.

Now I believe blue is "clicky", brown is "soft tactile" and red is "quiet".

Yeah it's a bit confusing I don't know why they can't just say MX Brown and MX Red.

yup, that is confusing. That is what happens when the marketing department of das is going to "apeal to a larger market".
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 04 April 2014, 01:06:24
i really dislike the non mechanical function keys.

Non mechanical function keys?  :confused:
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 04 April 2014, 03:41:31
FWIW PCCG has listed these for $189 or $193, with ETA 30-Apr-2014.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1224&products_id=27227&zenid=38dcd0e594b7c772082bd2098e9e53df
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1224&products_id=27225&zenid=38dcd0e594b7c772082bd2098e9e53df
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=113_1224&products_id=27226&zenid=38dcd0e594b7c772082bd2098e9e53df
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Hyde on Fri, 04 April 2014, 08:44:38
i really dislike the non mechanical function keys.

Non mechanical function keys?  :confused:

I'm assuming he meant the play/pause, previous track, next track... etc buttons.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: Demetrium on Fri, 04 April 2014, 09:54:38
^  Maybe they'll come out with the "Quiet" version later.

Just gotta wait a bit also depending on your preference you might have to leave/take out the o-rings.

Brown is the quiet version, isn't it?

In contradistinction to blues, being the "noisy" version.

Yep, the browns are still pretty loud but a little bit softer cause of the lack of tactile. If you type really softly on the browns you can quiet them down a bit, the blues are pretty much loud no matter what you do.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: blackbox on Fri, 04 April 2014, 12:09:37
^  Maybe they'll come out with the "Quiet" version later.

Just gotta wait a bit also depending on your preference you might have to leave/take out the o-rings.

Brown is the quiet version, isn't it?

In contradistinction to blues, being the "noisy" version.

Yep, the browns are still pretty loud but a little bit softer cause of the lack of tactile. If you type really softly on the browns you can quiet them down a bit, the blues are pretty much loud no matter what you do.

The browns are tactile but they are not clicky.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: scottrod on Thu, 23 February 2017, 13:27:44
Just got one of these (with blues) and have been using it for a few days now at work after leaving the venerable Chicony KB-5181 behind.

I like the feel and the click; it's lighter than the Chicony. I like a tilted keyboard, so I had to add a 1/4" thick bar under the red footbar to get it where I wanted it.

The main thing I don't like is the spacing between the main key set and the six [Ins-thru-PageDown] key set, and between those and the Number keys. The gap between them is narrower than the Chicony. I tend to hit those keys along the outer perimeter on their edge, so I keep tagging the Ins key when hitting the Backspace key, and the snagging the NumLock key when selecting the Page Up key. Other than that it's good for me. Still feels a little on the light side, but I'll get used to eventually.

Oh and they need to coil the wire instead of the back and forth setup which is for packaging of course. The thing took a set and is badly kinked.
Title: Re: DAS Keyboard 4
Post by: keytohopiness on Thu, 23 February 2017, 17:05:59
Holy Necro Batman!