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geekhack Marketplace => Great Finds => Topic started by: rdjack21 on Mon, 06 April 2009, 17:25:08
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There are currently two IBM Model M Mini's on ebay.
The first one the box was opened to verify that the keyboard works:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=280330621839
label from above:
(http://i.ebayimg.com/01/!BP7HSQ!!mk~$(KGrHgoOKjgEjlLmYUWJBJ2NZIVy3g~~_12.JPG)
The second one from the same seller is in an unopened box!
http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Space-Saver-Clicky-Keyboard-1392934-NIB_W0QQitemZ280330622580QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item280330622580&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50
(http://i.ebayimg.com/08/!BP7KlHw!Wk~$(KGrHgoH-DoEjlLluCsSBJ2NiWHhLw~~_1.JPG)
I was thinking of biding on these but I don't think I can afford to so thought I would post here to see if anyone else is interested.
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Thats awesome. The last one I went for sold for 202.50. I stopped bidding at 200 : (
I really thought someone else was going to snipe it at the last second.
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Thats awesome. The last one I went for sold for 202.50. I stopped bidding at 200 : (
I really thought someone else was going to snipe it at the last second.
I just grabbed one for 56 but it was not a new one which still should be fine as it looked to be very clean. I can't afford to bid on these as I just also purchased a realforce 87U as well so my wallet it a little thin right now :(
EDIT: Actually I'm quite surprised that there has not been much activity on either of these yet considering the how high the one that just closed went. But who knows maybe that knocked out one bidder so you may have a better chance of getting one of these.
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eff you man .. that one was mine!!! your lucky i forgot about it ... i would have bid up to 87 bucks..
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I just grabbed one for 56 but it was not a new one which still should be fine as it looked to be very clean. I can't afford to bid on these as I just also purchased a realforce 87U as well so my wallet it a little thin right now :(
EDIT: Actually I'm quite surprised that there has not been much activity on either of these yet considering the how high the one that just closed went. But who knows maybe that knocked out one bidder so you may have a better chance of getting one of these.
Getting one at 56 is quite a steal right now, considering the mania that is surrounding the mini's right now.
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eff you man .. that one was mine!!! your lucky i forgot about it ... i would have bid up to 87 bucks..
LOL Sorry about that :) Did not know who I was bidding against but even if you had bid it up I was willing to go higher not much higher though.
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I think they are worth every penny. I bought a NIB one because I'm lazy and am tired of cleaning up Ebay stuff.
But it does make me sad that one of them is going to be sold in an unopened box - implying it may sit for decades unused and unloved. Kinda like Wall-E.
- Ripster
Not if I get it : )
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Actually I'm quite surprised that there has not been much activity on either of these yet considering the how high the one that just closed went.
Wait until the last day. These things will skyrocket, I'm sure.
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Wait until the last day. These things will skyrocket, I'm sure.
Yea that is what I'm thinking. I'm going to keep an eye on them and see where they go. If they stay below 200 I may try to get one. But I will be surprised if they do especially that unopened one.
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I'm bidding on both but others will snipe, so I've little chance. It never hurts to try...
I hope if I don't win one or both of them, another forum member wins the auction(s).
Exactly as iMav covets his last-of-its-kind Unicomp-made 84 key spacesaver, so I covet a NIB 1392934. :D
Both are over $150.00......
Cheers,
~rn
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Don't these people know how to eBay? You always at least wait until the last day. :) Otherwise, you never know if there is artificial pumping of the price.
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Don't these people know how to eBay? You always at least wait until the last day. :) Otherwise, you never know if there is artificial pumping of the price.
True enough. Even so, 176 for a NIB mini is a good price--Brandon doesn't even sell them that cheap.
Cheers,
~rn
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Why not purchase a vastly superior NIB White Label Model M (part #1394540) for ~$50 + shipping? (http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Clicky-Keyboard-Part-1394540-NEW_W0QQitemZ310132850333QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item310132850333&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50) Last week another one like this sold for $46.50. Add a mouse bridge for another $20 and this set up trumps the mini.
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Why not purchase a vastly superior NIB White Label Model M (part #1394540) for ~$50 + shipping? (http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Model-M-Clicky-Keyboard-Part-1394540-NEW_W0QQitemZ310132850333QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item310132850333&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50) Last week another one like this sold for $46.50. Add a mouse bridge for another $20 and this set up trumps the mini.
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True enough. Even so, 176 for a NIB mini is a good price--Brandon doesn't even sell them that cheap.
Cheers,
~rn
They are at 176 right now. These will easily go over 200 before its over.
Is a NIB model m mini worth that price?
I would say yes.
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They are at 176 right now. These will easily go over 200 before its over.
Is a NIB model m mini worth that price?
I would say yes.
Definitely! ;)
Just kidding. But considering the rarity I *would* pay it if I had it.
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Looks like there's some price pumping going on with the NIB Mini. These people (1 (http://tinyurl.com/c8z5ff)) and (2 (http://tinyurl.com/dk73uw)) are the primary bidders, and their bid history shows they're (likely) in cahoots with the seller. They are, at the very least, suspicious characters. Stay away until the last day and hope you can snipe it. ;):D
Cheers,
~rn
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Bid pumping definitely happens. That is why I bid at the last possible moment I can. Any real bidder should have put their highest bid anyway, so I don't completely understand the anger towards "snipers." Yeah, it sucks to be outbid at the last second, but that's just the way it goes. :/
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man i hope 2009 brings some m15 (from dead people obviously...)
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Dead by natural causes, I hope?[/
either or haha ... i heard there's a few hiitmen here lmao
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Looks like there is a pretty big demand for these things. Unicomp should consider making a spacesaver without the numpad, it would probably be a hot seller.
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black "real" space savers with some white text on black keys. mmmmmm. i think that would be awesome
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Looks like there's some price pumping going on with the NIB Mini. These people (1 (http://tinyurl.com/c8z5ff)) and (2 (http://tinyurl.com/dk73uw)) are the primary bidders, and their bid history shows they're (likely) in cahoots with the seller. They are, at the very least, suspicious characters. Stay away until the last day and hope you can snipe it. ;):D
Cheers,
~rn
rnak92a,
There is no price pumping going on. I don't know why the bidding got so crazy. It surprised me also. As far as the 25% you mentioned on the bidders they only had a feedback of 10 so the % is going to go up. I can honestly state that I don't play that game. Look at my items that have gone for the opening bid. I also have people ask me for a buy it now and I don't do that either.
There will also be one more in the sealed box going up and one slightly used with the original box.
Also these are truly from a friends estate, I am just trying to help out his widow by getting rid of a house full of junk to her.
I signed up on this board just to state my side.
Thank you one and all.
georgew
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haha nice ^
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Hah, Shouldn't have opened the box on mine.
EBay
IBM Model M Space Saver Clicky Keyboard 1392934 NIB unopened went for $267 + $exorbitant shipping
IBM Model M Space Saver Clicky Keyboard 1392934 NIB opened went for $192.50 + $exorbitant shipping
Anyway, if anyone here won it (I restrained myself) CONGRATS! - you'll love it.
- Ripster
ripster,
I don't know what happened with the ebay shipping calculator. I refunded $15.00 on the one going to California and it was double boxed plus insured. I try to get close with the shipping but some times it gets screwed up in which case I will send a refund.
georgew
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Looks like there's some price pumping going on with the NIB Mini. These people (1 (http://tinyurl.com/c8z5ff)) and (2 (http://tinyurl.com/dk73uw)) are the primary bidders, and their bid history shows they're (likely) in cahoots with the seller. They are, at the very least, suspicious characters. Stay away until the last day and hope you can snipe it. ;):D
Cheers,
~rn
Now that it is over, I can come clean. I am number 2.
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There seems to be quite a few people who really want these things, willing to pay a lot of money to get them.
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The model m mini is my number one board, right behind it is the HHKB.
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The model m mini is my number one board, right behind it is the HHKB.
I love buckling springs and would like the Model M mini but it's still too big for my own tastes. I wouldn't mind trying a HHKB Pro2 with buckling springs in it, though. The small footprint and buckling springs might be pretty near perfect.
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Oh yeah, an HHKB with BS keys would be perfect indeed. Not likely to ever happen though : (
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I didn't realize that I came across as someone who is "shady" or at the very least suspicious. I was just bidding on a keyboard, honest.
Thanks for the pic, ripster... I wish I was that young again.
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I had never thought about judging someone's character by their bid history on ebay, but perhaps there is something to it. :-)
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ripster,
Thank you for the welcome. My friend was an engineer for Diebold and Interbold. In case you don't know Interbold it was a joint venture between IBM and Diebold. I think that Interbold is gone now. He did a lot of work from home. I was in his computer room a few times. It was pretty impressive. I think there are about 9 or 10 computers all tied together with I think about all of the operating systems known then. He got me hooked on OS2 a few years ago, sorry to say I have gone back to windows now. Not enough support for OS2. I will say it is really a far superior system to windows, true multi-tasking. It is a shame that Gates forced out OS2 with his practice of arm bending vendors, just my opinion. I have one of the last machines he built and am using it now. It has one of those removable hard drive gadgets that locks in the bay, his room is full of them.
I really don't know why he had 4 of the mini keyboards. I found them all taped together for shipping from when he got them. Only one was removed and it looks like it was used very little, I just found it outside the computer room. My only guess is that he thought he might like them but changed his mind after using the one a little. There are two more boxes with keyboards in them. I don't think they are IBM though will have to check next time I go there. I will be selling the used one and one more in the sealed box in the next week or so. After the auction of the other two I don't think I will open the box on the last one. I would have never dreamed those were worth that much. I have a model M full sized that I am using now and I do love the clicky feel of it. The only thing I don't like is that it doesn't have the LED's for num, caps, and scroll lock, just a blank panel.
I do have a question about another IBM keyboard. The part number is 6487683 it was made in Japan and has stamped on it 86.8.27 which I assume means it was built in 1987. Where the scroll lock led normally is it has sw keyboard, 5085, and PC in green. It also has a square 6 pin connector. It has scientific symbols on the front of some of the keys. I have his PC jr here now and it has the same plug for a keyboard, I wonder if it would be safe to plug it into the jr?
Again thank you for the welcome.
georgew
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I had never thought about judging someone's character by their bid history on ebay, but perhaps there is something to it. :-)
I am not giving this much thought. But how do you judge someones chacaracter by their ebay bid history? I don't see the angles on that.
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I am not giving this much thought. But how do you judge someones chacaracter by their ebay bid history? I don't see the angles on that.
I was only being sarcastic as it seems people had concluded you were a suspicious character from your bid history. Sorry for the poor attempt at humor.
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I was only being sarcastic as it seems people had concluded you were a suspicious character from your bid history. Sorry for the poor attempt at humor.
no problem. its not like ebay is the epitome of virtue and ethics but then again I tend to be over-idealistic. makes for a disappointing existence at times.
Still am curious how one could glean something from a persons bid history. The poster seemed pretty sure of himself when he said it so I was just wondering.
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ripster,
I hope this works, here should be a couple of pictures.
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/georgew1205/keybd1.jpg)
(http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s279/georgew1205/keybd2.jpg)
There is another number on the bottom E57888
The Ctrl key is in green and the right shift key has Sw Keybd printed on the front of it in green. I assume it means to switch it from 5085 (whatever that is) to PC
This is not for a PC jr, I just meant it looked like the plug on the back of the PC jr. I have my friends PC jr here and am checking it out to put on ebay.
georgew
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That's one odd connector. It may have been for some sort of terminal. Maybe even to connect directly to a mainframe.
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Definitely not for the PCjr - looks too sophisticated! Here's a picture of the PCjr keyboard (rev 2) with a keypad.
I found this quote:
I think it must be a terminal board for the 5085, which front-ended a system 370 - I doubt it would ever be usable on a PC.
- Ripster
I gather you could get an XT with some additional cards that allowed it to work as a crippled 370-- maybe the keyboard was for that market?
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ripster,
"I think it must be a terminal board for the 5085, which front-ended a system 370 - I doubt it would ever be usable on a PC. "
If that is the case then why does it have an led that has PC printed next to it? And also like I said on the front of the right shift key is printed SW Keybd in green and the ctrl key is also in green. This keyboard was made in Japan in 86.
georgew
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Is the cable removable?
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Is the cable removable?
No the cable is not removable. If it was I would have tried a ps2 cable.
georgew
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I have a keyboard that looks exactly like that [marked only 556-712-01 and A110H004451 ] but without the colour key legends; it's a cost-reduced 'board for the RT PCs, either type 6150 or 6151. The RT was IBM's first RISC machine and is the predecessor to the RS/6000 / iSeries / whatever it was last known as.
Some (earlier?) 'boards for the RT were basically US 101 Enhanced buckling spring things [P/N 1392366 ], resembling the more familiar P/N 1390131, but the right "Control" key is marked Action, and the number pad keys don't have the "num lock off" navigation legends. Also, the cable (I don't know if it's fixed or not) has that 6-pin AMP MODU connector.
Here's the only pic I have of mine (Laurie's lighting trick isn't available right now):
(http://www.9999hp.net/keyboard/weird_RT.jpg)
The keys on these have a nice travel distance, but seem to almost entirely bottom out on actuation (I can't actually tell, since I don't have a RT...). It's funny that the PCjr is mentioned, since the keyswitch technique looks very similar to that used in the PCjr's later keyboard; see zoOoz (http://www.zoooz.com/review/content.asp?idx=96)... the domes however are IIRC chopped up a bit, and are all black. This shot of the keys from the inside looks very familiar:
(http://www.zoooz.com/review/image/pcjr2_upanel.jpg) (http://www.zoooz.com/review/image/pcjr2_upanel.jpg)
In general, none of the typical IBM over-engineering is present; eight Philips screws hold the back on, and there are a multitude of screws holding the innards to it. The PCB is simplistic, and the only IC is a mask ROM... no trace of any P/Ns, FRUs or house numbers anywhere.
Anyway... announcement letter time (http://www.ibm.com/news/usalet).
Letter #186-011 (http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.jsp?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/1/897/ENUS186-011/index.html&breadCrum=DET001PT022&url=buttonpressed=DET002PT005&specific_index=DET001PEF502&DET015PGL002=DET001PEF011&submit.x=7&submit.y=8&lang=en_GB) - IBM 5085 GRAPHICS PROCESSOR MODEL 1A - MORE STANDARD FEATURES AND FUNCTION FOR THE IBM 5080 GRAPHICS SYSTEM:
o Functionally enhanced to be capable of attaching to an IBM RT
Personal Computer which includes the capability to switch the
keyboard and 5083 Tablet between the 5085 and the standalone RT
Personal Computer processor. The new Graphics keyboard has a
built-in numeric keypad (with plus, minus, multiply, and divide
operations for ease of use) and a thin flexible cable for easier
placement and movement.
...
FUNCTIONAL ENHANCEMENTS
New functions in the 5085 model 1A are:
o A Graphics Keyboard (#4651) (graphics, 3270, personal computer
functions keyboard). Includes a numeric keypad and 16 dual
function keys (providing 32 possible program functions). When
the 5085 model 1A is connected to the RT Personal Computer, the
keyboard and the 5083 Tablet can be switched between either the
5085 or the RT Personal Computer.
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GRAPHICS KEYBOARD (#4651): A low-profile, flexible cable attached
keyboard which can be adjusted easily to either of two surface
inclinations to match the user's preferred hand position. Has 101
keys which may be operated with or without audible feedback. The
keyboard is arranged in four clusters of keys. Three of them are side
by side (left to right) with the fourth located at the left rear.
The clusters are:
o 58 keys including special standard keys for engineering graphics.
This keyboard supports Caps Lock. Caps Lock applies only
to the alphabetic keys in this cluster and Shift Lock applies to
all keys in this cluster, but only in this cluster rather than
the total keyboard.
o 10 keys for cursor control, and special functions, such as cancel
and switch keyboard.
o 17 keys in a keypad arrangement for easy entry of numerics.
o 16 Program Function (PF) Keys arranged in a horizontal row at the
top of the keyboard.
In 5080 graphics mode where lighted tops are not required,
use of upper and lower case shift in conjunction with these 16 PF
keys allows the PF keys to emulate all 32 keys of the Lighted
Program Function Keyboard (#4710). However, nomenclature on this
keyboard (#4651) does not map identically to the nomenclature
used on the Alphameric (#4631) and the APL (#4641) keyboards. For
example PF2 on the new keyboard corresponds to PF3 on the
Alphameric and APL Keyboards. Normal PF key function is
supported in 3270 mode.
Three indicators on the keyboard provide the following status:
o Keyboard association status (association with the 5085 or RT
Personal Computer)
o Numeric Lock status
o Caps/Shift Lock status (see note under first key cluster
description)
The cable required to attach the keyboard to the 5085 is
flexible and permanently attached to the keyboard.
Note: #4651 is the only keyboard available for the 5081 model
1A.
How about that?
Of course, this makes me wonder about the original model of the 5085 (letter #183-145) (http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.jsp?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/5/897/ENUS183-145/index.html&breadCrum=DET001PT022&url=buttonpressed=DET002PT005&specific_index=DET001PEF502&DET015PGL002=DET001PEF011&submit.x=7&submit.y=8&lang=en_GB) going back to '83:
Peripheral Device Features
Alphameric Keyboard: This feature is a low-profile, cable
attached, EBCDIC typewriter-like keyboard which can be adjusted
easily to any of three surface inclinations matching a user's
preferred hand position.
The keyboard has 104 keys that may be operated with or
without audible feedback. The key arrangement has four clusters
of keys:
. 10 special function keys.
. 59 keys in QWERTY arrangement, plus special standard keys for
engineering graphics.
. 11 keys for cursor control and the functions of shifting
between 5080 graphic and 3270 modes.
. 24 program function keys arranged in two horizontal rows of
twelve at the top center. (In 5080 graphics mode, these PF
keys can be used in place of the first 24 lighted program
function keys if lighted tops aren't required. Normal PF key
function is supported in 3270 mode.)
Does this layout sound familiar? (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=5584) ;)
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btw, that SGI looks like a implementation of cramming the 122 key 3270 layout on to a 101. Specter_57 posted a great list of how to map it on to just about any other IBM 'board... http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=84951&postcount=39
I don't know of a sensible reference, but you can check a 1389260 (http://www.9999hp.net/keyboard/temp/1389260-big.jpg) and ignore the custom graphic legends.
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re webwit, no I don't. When I stop trying to do a sufficient amount of other things, I might have a serious go at trying to, though. As it is, I can type kana phonetically through an IME into Google, which has its occasional uses.
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IN-LINE IMAGE PRESENTATION FEATURE (#0044): Visually displays information
in a forum posting. Provides the following additional functions:
o Consolidates multiple types of content in to a single form;
o Pseudo-on topic content having derived as consequence of strict on
topic discussion;
o Off topic content related more to a specific user;
o Contradicts previous justifications for lack of additional photography,
violates ideal principle;
o Presentation of material liable to confuse users paying insufficient
attention;
o Decreased efficiency of all users involved.
All regions order Feature Code #0044 for In-Line Image Presentation
Feature except East Sussex; order In-Line Image Presentation Feature
F/C #0793. Installation by Customer Engineer is mandatory.
Estimated ship date is Q3 2009. Orders accepted from announcement
date [4/26/2009].
(http://www.9999hp.net/keyboard/ripster.jpg)
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:lol: Wow. The seller came into the thread to defend himself.
I was wrong about bid pumping on those NIB minis. I apologize to anyone I might have offended.
@bigpook:
I never meant to imply you were of suspect character, shady, a ne'er-do-well, or anything else. I looked at the bid history on both of those 'boards, saw that both persons had bid almost exclusively on other keyboards, and concluded something was amiss. Again, I was wrong, and I'm sorry.
Cheers,
~rn.
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:lol: Wow. The seller came into the thread to defend himself.
I was wrong about bid pumping on those NIB minis. I apologize to anyone I might have offended.
@bigpook:
I never meant to imply you were of suspect character, shady, a ne'er-do-well, or anything else. I looked at the bid history on both of those 'boards, saw that both persons had bid almost exclusively on other keyboards, and concluded something was amiss. Again, I was wrong, and I'm sorry.
Cheers,
~rn.
no problem, not offended. was just curious as to how you arrived at your conclusion. I bid late and people were jacking it by 2 bucks or so.
That pissed me off so I just made my max bid 200. It quieted down after that and ended up selling for 192.
I thought someone would have sniped at the last moment was very surprised when I won it.
I will be the first to say that I don't have a clue as to how to behave/act when bidding for something. I don't really have a strategy and I don't like to haggle. I just am not good at it. I guess it shows in the way I bid.
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I have a model M full sized that I am using now and I do love the clicky feel of it. The only thing I don't like is that it doesn't have the LED's for num, caps, and scroll lock, just a blank panel.
A 1391401 would have that.
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A 1391401 would have that.
1390120 wouldn't.
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It was an "upgrade" suggestion.
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Jeez, the prices on these NIB Minis is making me feel far less bad for paying $100 for a well-cleaned Mini from Brian O'Niell today.
I've stopped caring for non-tenkeyless boards, but I love my old M dearly- with this thing and the Topre, I pretty much have my bases covered, I think. My full-size M, Dell AT102 and Unicomp are being bought by other writers in my department whom I've infected with nice keyboard syndrome :)
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And I don't know about the pumping - an unopened box is probably getting the collectors in Japan all "waratchau" (new word my son taught me).
- Ripster
ripster,
Looks like you was correct. Check out this site they are the ones that won the unopened box keyboard. Interesting way to sell to Japan without the shipping problems. What does waratchau mean?
http://us-buyer.com/english.html
georgew
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I was testing the used mini keyboard to put it on ebay and discovered something interesting. When I connected it the keyboard came up in the num mode. Does it remember what it was last set at? Also when using Wordpad and Excel when the numeric keypad is activated it shows NUM in the lower right corner.This is pretty neat and I am beginning to love this keyboard, wish I could afford it. For someone looking for a really clean used one this fits the bill. I really don't think my friend used it much at all.
georgew
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Yours sounds defective, George.
I'll buy it off you real cheap.
Seriously, you should keep it. I'm sure your friend would have wanted you to have it instead of it going to some stranger in Japan. These IBMs were meant to be used, not sitting in a box somewhere.
- Ripster
I have one that has been sitting a box for 21 years : )
Its still there : )
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neener, neener, neener.
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Sorry, that was pretty silly of me. But George says he can't afford to keep it, hence the sale.
If it was me, then sure, I would find a way to hold on to it. But then again it is a buyer in Japan, right? There might be a large sum of money involved here, so its a tough call.
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Pook, re-read his original message:
http://geekhack.org/showpost.php?p=87162&postcount=29
If anyone should get this one it's George. I'm sure the widow would understand.
Don't make the "Big Guy" push that smite key!
- Ripster
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He says here that he cannot afford one:
I was testing the used mini keyboard to put it on ebay and discovered something interesting. When I connected it the keyboard came up in the num mode. Does it remember what it was last set at? Also when using Wordpad and Excel when the numeric keypad is activated it shows NUM in the lower right corner.This is pretty neat and I am beginning to love this keyboard, wish I could afford it. For someone looking for a really clean used one this fits the bill. I really don't think my friend used it much at all.
georgew
I don't know the widows position; maybe she needs the money?
He had four and sold two and got close to 480 for them. He's got two more to sell. Thats close to a grand for four keyboards. Not bad.
And don't be smiting me either : )
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Well, he is controlling the availability, so to speak. So yeah, if anyone gets first dibs, it would be him.
As for the smiting, I will take my chances with you, if its the "Big Guy" doing the smiting I am pretty much hosed.
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The BIOS will sometimes set Num Lock by default. On both of my Socket AM2 boards, it will (and for some reason, leaves the light on with 1391401s even with the power off), unless you turn it off (there's a setup option for it). They may assume "Num lock on is a fair default for a standard 101/104" but not realize there's a Mini plugged in.
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The BIOS will sometimes set Num Lock by default. On both of my Socket AM2 boards, it will (and for some reason, leaves the light on with 1391401s even with the power off), unless you turn it off (there's a setup option for it). They may assume "Num lock on is a fair default for a standard 101/104" but not realize there's a Mini plugged in.
You must be correct as I set it for num lock off and powered down and back up and it came up set for num lock on. I will have to look in the BIOS for this.
georgew
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P.S. Read his 100% feedback - some of the comments are extraordinary.[/QUOTE]
ripster,
Thank you for pointing that out, I try to be honest with buyers. If there is a problem I do take care of it. Probably won't do that with the keyboard in the sealed box though, but I do point that out in the listing. People think the sellers are all crooks but they are not. There are some shady buyers also. One comes to mind from a few years ago. I sent a new in the box Lionel train car. The buyer claimed it was junk so he sent it back and I refunded all of his money. I can guarantee you the car he sent back was not the one I sent him. He upgraded his worn car for a new one on my dime.
georgew
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There is another number on the bottom E57888
That's the part number for the keyboard of an IBM RT PC, as is noted on this page:
http://www.damage.fi/slas/rt/rtpics.html
EDIT: Note that the search which led me to that page - and this thread - was the result of a message from dw_junon, alerting me to some important historical facts about that style of keyboard. I see also that the RT PC has been already noted in this thread.