I still think it's fake. I'm hoping I'm wrong though...
When pigs fly
If it is true, then it can be expected to drive down the price of the original SSK...
Still waiting for red alert cap set from them..... and that's been 2 year now...
So Unicomp SSKs in 2016.... maybe.....
Still waiting for red alert cap set from them..... and that's been 2 year now...
So Unicomp SSKs in 2016.... maybe.....
Agreed. These announcements with the requisite email screenshot come up too often.
Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:
Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:
That is impressive!
I would buy this.
While it has the original SSK layout (i.e., Function row further separated than the most recent renders) I think this render is still kinda cool to view:
Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:
Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:
Here's the DT thread from where those renders came from:
http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/a-proposal-for-a-new-ssk-t6977.html
Here's the DT thread from where those renders came from:
http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/a-proposal-for-a-new-ssk-t6977.html
The layout in the first post of that thread are different from the one used in OP.
*optimistic*
Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:
What a pretty 60% render! :thumb:
While it has the original SSK layout (i.e., Function row further separated than the most recent renders) I think this render is still kinda cool to view:
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And, yes I did all of these as "M'er Forever" on DT. The Unicomp project is no joke, but I feel they need some strong advice so as to get it right and appeal to the broadest possible market. This requires NKRO if gamers are to be interested, and that could be accomplished with capsense. If successful enough, that could pave the way for wireless and programmable variants.
Agreed on all counts. I like the look of the proper TKL layout you pictured a lot better than any of the other renders. And I won't consider anything with 2KRO, no matter how well optimized the matrix might be. You don't even need capacitive sensing; a membrane with an individual trace for each key on one of the layers will do the job (Skydigital and QSenn both have NKRO membrane keyboards currently on the market using this system). Hell, I'd give a second look to an EnduraPro with NKRO (and a better trackpoint, ideally) without it being a space-saver.
I got an email from them this afternoon. I said before that if Unicomp ever comes out with an SSK I would buy one the second it comes out. But this is not the SSK I had in mind. I want a tenkeyless board, not this, for lack of a better term, fugly thing. I really hope that they do come out with a true tkl design, if so then I will getting one for sure. But if this is the design they stick with, then I am not interested at all.
Also, I have to wonder if thin film diodes could be used to get a NKRO on a membrane matrix board.
Agreed on all counts. I like the look of the proper TKL layout you pictured a lot better than any of the other renders. And I won't consider anything with 2KRO, no matter how well optimized the matrix might be. You don't even need capacitive sensing; a membrane with an individual trace for each key on one of the layers will do the job (Skydigital and QSenn both have NKRO membrane keyboards currently on the market using this system). Hell, I'd give a second look to an EnduraPro with NKRO (and a better trackpoint, ideally) without it being a space-saver.
You have some links to the technical specifics of this? Because the way I'm reading it sounds like the controller would have something like 88 connectors going to it.
Also, I have to wonder if thin film diodes could be used to get a NKRO on a membrane matrix board.
Agreed on all counts. I like the look of the proper TKL layout you pictured a lot better than any of the other renders. And I won't consider anything with 2KRO, no matter how well optimized the matrix might be. You don't even need capacitive sensing; a membrane with an individual trace for each key on one of the layers will do the job (Skydigital and QSenn both have NKRO membrane keyboards currently on the market using this system). Hell, I'd give a second look to an EnduraPro with NKRO (and a better trackpoint, ideally) without it being a space-saver.
You have some links to the technical specifics of this? Because the way I'm reading it sounds like the controller would have something like 88 connectors going to it.
Also, I have to wonder if thin film diodes could be used to get a NKRO on a membrane matrix board.
Yes, I was wondering about the controller issue as well...
I might be wrong about some specifics, since I'm going mainly by pictures in advertisements (I don't read Korean), but see for yourself:
From an ad for Skydigital's "Nkeyboard NKey-2" model:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Sj6DEJO.png)
From an ad for QSenn's GP-K8000U:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rbaPSa2.png)
I got an email from them this afternoon. I said before that if Unicomp ever comes out with an SSK I would buy one the second it comes out. But this is not the SSK I had in mind. I want a tenkeyless board, not this, for lack of a better term, fugly thing. I really hope that they do come out with a true tkl design, if so then I will getting one for sure. But if this is the design they stick with, then I am not interested at all.
Please write to them and tell them so.
Attention everyone: Now is the time to respond to their announcement if you want them to change course for the better. Silence in the face of imminent error accomplishes nothing.
I believe your interpretation to be correct. The diodes would be on the controller board, but there would be many more connections to be made between membrane and controller. I'm not sure of the ability to add diodes to the existing Model M membrane without being crushed by the barrel frame in the sandwiched construction. Not to mention that attempts to solder diodes to mylar would melt it instantly.
It's not about the money, it's about not having to send any messages - Unicomp
It's not about the money, it's about not having to send any messages - Unicomp
I believe your interpretation to be correct. The diodes would be on the controller board, but there would be many more connections to be made between membrane and controller. I'm not sure of the ability to add diodes to the existing Model M membrane without being crushed by the barrel frame in the sandwiched construction. Not to mention that attempts to solder diodes to mylar would melt it instantly.
This is why I said "thin film diodes". I'm no EE, but from my understanding they would fit the bill (I'll be no-so-gladly corrected on this point by someone more knowledgeable though).
I believe your interpretation to be correct. The diodes would be on the controller board, but there would be many more connections to be made between membrane and controller. I'm not sure of the ability to add diodes to the existing Model M membrane without being crushed by the barrel frame in the sandwiched construction. Not to mention that attempts to solder diodes to mylar would melt it instantly.I agree that it'd be infeasable, but you could hide them under the channels where the hammers sit, there is enough room. As far as soldering it goes, it could be done ultrasonically, but there are better solutions, such as the above.
Actually, I'd buy this day one, even with this layout and case.
1st because I don't really hate the layout. The only real problem I have with it is the position of Home and End that I'd love to see swapped with Delete and Insert.
2nd because you always need a BS board to go :D
And 3rd to support UNICOMP
So for me, if it's true, it's good news and I'll fit a place in my winter budget for it.
One thing many companies seem to forget:
It doesn't pay to make only what the company wants to make; it only pays to make what their customers want to buy.
Therefore, 2 new product introductions are in order here -- a classic-layout SSK, and a 60% variant. Completely separate and distinct products for completely separate and distinct preferences.
One thing many companies seem to forget:
It doesn't pay to make only what the company wants to make; it only pays to make what their customers want to buy.
Therefore, 2 new product introductions are in order here -- a classic-layout SSK, and a 60% variant. Completely separate and distinct products for completely separate and distinct preferences.
I couldn't have said it better :thumb:
Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:
I definitely think starting off with the pictured layout would be a mistake. They should start with a traditional TKL layout, and assuming that sells well, then move on to offering 75% or 60% layouts.
Yes, there's a lot of love among enthusiasts for tiny, nonstandard layout boards, but I don't believe that love is shared by the mainstream keyboard buyer.
I'm pretty sure I'm buying this when it comes out.
I'd also buy a FC660 layout one if they made it so fast my wallet would probably explode.
I definitely think starting off with the pictured layout would be a mistake. They should start with a traditional TKL layout, and assuming that sells well, then move on to offering 75% or 60% layouts.
Yes, there's a lot of love among enthusiasts for tiny, nonstandard layout boards, but I don't believe that love is shared by the mainstream keyboard buyer.
Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:I'd order it right now :) It's beautiful.
Its almost a copy of the Leopold FC660x layout.
I see FC660x layout as a compromise between true 60% and TKL.
I hope they ignore the haters and go with the layout as shown. It's perfect.
Its almost a copy of the Leopold FC660x layout.
I see FC660x layout as a compromise between true 60% and TKL.
Not really. This layout has the function row, and some extra caps of the six pack.
Its almost a copy of the Leopold FC660x layout.
I see FC660x layout as a compromise between true 60% and TKL.
Not really. This layout has the function row, and some extra caps of the six pack.
I wish they would go that way. I wonder what function will be performed by the Fn key? It seems they've left most keys intact. Home/End/Pg Up/Pg Dn on Fn+arrows seems to be a perfect setup to me. And splitting the backspace (at the very least, I hope they have contacts under the second barrel there, so it's a possibility to do it ourselves) to have delete there and backspace under it would be perfect. Then they could drop the F row onto Fn+num row. But I'm guessing they might have some media controls there, so maybe that's not possible.
I hope they read this thread and take some new ideas. If someone is messaging them, point them here and let them read.
Another option, since Unicomp is soliciting comments and suggestions at this point:I'd order it right now :) It's beautiful.
What about an M4 type layout?Show Image(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/jul30/001.jpg)
I feel like that'd be a good compromise between the full-out SSK and the mock-up on the official press release.
Maybe make a few changes, but overall I think it's a good layout.
What about an M4 type layout?
You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
Ah.. my bad. I didn't read the announcement completely. Um, I'll see myself out. You guys carry on..You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
I don't think it's close to production. Per their announcement it's a "concept we are working on." and "We welcome your thoughts and comments on this future product."
What about an M4 type layout?Show Image(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/jul30/001.jpg)
I feel like that'd be a good compromise between the full-out SSK and the mock-up on the official press release.
Maybe make a few changes, but overall I think it's a good layout.
What about an M4 type layout?Show Image(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/jul30/001.jpg)
I feel like that'd be a good compromise between the full-out SSK and the mock-up on the official press release.
Maybe make a few changes, but overall I think it's a good layout.
This is certainly a good Layout. This is not MX, is it?
What about an M4 type layout?Show Image(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/jul30/001.jpg)
I feel like that'd be a good compromise between the full-out SSK and the mock-up on the official press release.
Maybe make a few changes, but overall I think it's a good layout.
This is certainly a good Layout. This is not MX, is it?
This would be buckling spring.
What about an M4 type layout?Show Image(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/jul30/001.jpg)
I feel like that'd be a good compromise between the full-out SSK and the mock-up on the official press release.
Maybe make a few changes, but overall I think it's a good layout.
This is certainly a good Layout. This is not MX, is it?
This would be buckling spring.
Really? Um...The height of the caps looks way too short for that, doesn't it? And I think track pads were installed in more modern boards, that BS predated them. Am I right?
What about an M4 type layout?Show Image(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/jul30/001.jpg)
I feel like that'd be a good compromise between the full-out SSK and the mock-up on the official press release.
Maybe make a few changes, but overall I think it's a good layout.
This is certainly a good Layout. This is not MX, is it?
This would be buckling spring.
Really? Um...The height of the caps looks way too short for that, doesn't it? And I think track pads were installed in more modern boards, that BS predated them. Am I right?
Well, Unicomp makes buckling spring keyboards. I can't really see why they would release a non-BS pseudo-SSK.
What about an M4 type layout?Show Image(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/jul30/001.jpg)
I feel like that'd be a good compromise between the full-out SSK and the mock-up on the official press release.
Maybe make a few changes, but overall I think it's a good layout.
This is certainly a good Layout. This is not MX, is it?
This would be buckling spring.
Really? Um...The height of the caps looks way too short for that, doesn't it? And I think track pads were installed in more modern boards, that BS predated them. Am I right?
Well, Unicomp makes buckling spring keyboards. I can't really see why they would release a non-BS pseudo-SSK.
The M4 is unicomp? It says ibm in the corner
Well, Unicomp makes buckling spring keyboards. I can't really see why they would release a non-BS pseudo-SSK.
Well, Unicomp makes buckling spring keyboards. I can't really see why they would release a non-BS pseudo-SSK.
The question is referring to the M4, not the new keyboard.
The M4 is a rubber dome (buckling rubber collar actually) keyboard, not a buckling spring.
What about an M4 type layout?Show Image(http://www.clickykeyboard.com/2009/jul30/001.jpg)
I feel like that'd be a good compromise between the full-out SSK and the mock-up on the official press release.
Maybe make a few changes, but overall I think it's a good layout.
This is certainly a good Layout. This is not MX, is it?
This would be buckling spring.
Really? Um...The height of the caps looks way too short for that, doesn't it? And I think track pads were installed in more modern boards, that BS predated them. Am I right?
Well, Unicomp makes buckling spring keyboards. I can't really see why they would release a non-BS pseudo-SSK.
The M4 is unicomp? It says ibm in the corner
Ah, I see what is happening, I didn't read enough of the historical posts. Perhaps I shouldn't post during 30 second minute breaks at work :p
wait what....
i thought the first one was made by one of us...
and i only see one announcement on their facebook.
Just read this on DT
"M'er Forever wrote:A huge OOPS! may be due here...
Just now realized Unicomp put out 2 different announcements today, one concerning a new "traditional" SSK TKL, and also a new 60%-ish keyboard. The choice is not between the two , but rather both are being developed. Sorry I didn't figure this out until now; even I didn't know exactly what they were up to despite working directly with them."
Just read this on DT
"M'er Forever wrote:A huge OOPS! may be due here...
Just now realized Unicomp put out 2 different announcements today, one concerning a new "traditional" SSK TKL, and also a new 60%-ish keyboard. The choice is not between the two , but rather both are being developed. Sorry I didn't figure this out until now; even I didn't know exactly what they were up to despite working directly with them."
And if you read two comments further in that thread, you'll see me telling him that the first announcement was my april fools joke.
You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
I don't think it's close to production. Per their announcement it's a "concept we are working on." and "We welcome your thoughts and comments on this future product."
You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
I don't think it's close to production. Per their announcement it's a "concept we are working on." and "We welcome your thoughts and comments on this future product."
Concepts tend to get worked on for years, sometimes even hundreds of years. AKA vapourware
You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
I don't think it's close to production. Per their announcement it's a "concept we are working on." and "We welcome your thoughts and comments on this future product."
Concepts tend to get worked on for years, sometimes even hundreds of years. AKA vapourware
I really hope you were wrong. I had never thought in getting a BS, but if this is for real, I really like to get one, just to tray one of the holy grails of keyboards.
You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
I don't think it's close to production. Per their announcement it's a "concept we are working on." and "We welcome your thoughts and comments on this future product."
Concepts tend to get worked on for years, sometimes even hundreds of years. AKA vapourware
I really hope you were wrong. I had never thought in getting a BS, but if this is for real, I really like to get one, just to tray one of the holy grails of keyboards.
SSK is not a holy grain (typo left in on purpose). Model F in a modern format is a holy grail. It ain't happening, except by grace of the hard work of some enthusiasts working on the Model F revival project. Don't expect Unicomp to do anything that they have never done before.
You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
I don't think it's close to production. Per their announcement it's a "concept we are working on." and "We welcome your thoughts and comments on this future product."
Concepts tend to get worked on for years, sometimes even hundreds of years. AKA vapourware
I really hope you were wrong. I had never thought in getting a BS, but if this is for real, I really like to get one, just to tray one of the holy grails of keyboards.
SSK is not a holy grain (typo left in on purpose). Model F in a modern format is a holy grail. It ain't happening, except by grace of the hard work of some enthusiasts working on the Model F revival project. Don't expect Unicomp to do anything that they have never done before.
It is a matter of points of view. What I was referring to when I called this a "holy grail" is that BS switches are considered by some to be better as current ones, like MX. Thus, any opportunity to try one keyboard with BSs at a reasonable price may be a good chance for many of us to actually experience this type of keyboard that is close to a "urban legend" between us keyboard afficionados.
You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
I don't think it's close to production. Per their announcement it's a "concept we are working on." and "We welcome your thoughts and comments on this future product."
Concepts tend to get worked on for years, sometimes even hundreds of years. AKA vapourware
I really hope you were wrong. I had never thought in getting a BS, but if this is for real, I really like to get one, just to tray one of the holy grails of keyboards.
SSK is not a holy grain (typo left in on purpose). Model F in a modern format is a holy grail. It ain't happening, except by grace of the hard work of some enthusiasts working on the Model F revival project. Don't expect Unicomp to do anything that they have never done before.
It is a matter of points of view. What I was referring to when I called this a "holy grail" is that BS switches are considered by some to be better as current ones, like MX. Thus, any opportunity to try one keyboard with BSs at a reasonable price may be a good chance for many of us to actually experience this type of keyboard that is close to a "urban legend" between us keyboard afficionados.
If you just want to try buckling springs I've seen quite a few in great shape sell for $45-50 or less sometimes.
You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
I don't think it's close to production. Per their announcement it's a "concept we are working on." and "We welcome your thoughts and comments on this future product."
Concepts tend to get worked on for years, sometimes even hundreds of years. AKA vapourware
I really hope you were wrong. I had never thought in getting a BS, but if this is for real, I really like to get one, just to tray one of the holy grails of keyboards.
SSK is not a holy grain (typo left in on purpose). Model F in a modern format is a holy grail. It ain't happening, except by grace of the hard work of some enthusiasts working on the Model F revival project. Don't expect Unicomp to do anything that they have never done before.
It is a matter of points of view. What I was referring to when I called this a "holy grail" is that BS switches are considered by some to be better as current ones, like MX. Thus, any opportunity to try one keyboard with BSs at a reasonable price may be a good chance for many of us to actually experience this type of keyboard that is close to a "urban legend" between us keyboard afficionados.
If you just want to try buckling springs I've seen quite a few in great shape sell for $45-50 or less sometimes.
Maybe I have had very bad luck, but all I have seen were priced in the hundreds.
You know, if Unicomp start to rethink they layout this keyboard will not see the light of the day in the next 2 years. I'd think that their mockup is close to production so why debate on the layout? I kinda like it as it is and can't wait to own a modern buckling spring keyboard for once.
I don't think it's close to production. Per their announcement it's a "concept we are working on." and "We welcome your thoughts and comments on this future product."
Concepts tend to get worked on for years, sometimes even hundreds of years. AKA vapourware
I really hope you were wrong. I had never thought in getting a BS, but if this is for real, I really like to get one, just to tray one of the holy grails of keyboards.
SSK is not a holy grain (typo left in on purpose). Model F in a modern format is a holy grail. It ain't happening, except by grace of the hard work of some enthusiasts working on the Model F revival project. Don't expect Unicomp to do anything that they have never done before.
It is a matter of points of view. What I was referring to when I called this a "holy grail" is that BS switches are considered by some to be better as current ones, like MX. Thus, any opportunity to try one keyboard with BSs at a reasonable price may be a good chance for many of us to actually experience this type of keyboard that is close to a "urban legend" between us keyboard afficionados.
If you just want to try buckling springs I've seen quite a few in great shape sell for $45-50 or less sometimes.
Maybe I have had very bad luck, but all I have seen were priced in the hundreds.
I just meant buckling spring keyboards, like a unicomp board or a model m...not an ssk :D
"holy grail" is that BS switches are considered by some to be better
If you just want to try buckling springs I've seen quite a few in great shape sell for $45-50 or less sometimes.
Maybe I have had very bad luck, but all I have seen were priced in the hundreds.
I just meant buckling spring keyboards, like a unicomp board or a model m...not an ssk :D
Ah, well I am talking about SSKs, I do not really like full size keyboards, and I think I would not get one just to try a switch.
You know, I still haven't floss-modded mine..."holy grail" is that BS switches are considered by some to be better
The term "holy grail" might be applied to a theoretical non-existent Model F in a clean modern configuration, but while Model Ms are available in many pleasing configurations and color choices, they are, in real life, simply dull and dead-feeling and -sounding in comparison to the Model F.
The difference is striking and easily comparable to the arguments over the feels of various flavors of Cherry switches.
In my opinion, the floss mod is essential on an F, and that mod is what pushes your keyboard to the pinnacle of exquisiteness.
The physical layout doesn't seem too bad to me, it's almost a standard 75%. The mappings seem really poor though if that's what they're going for. The column to the right should be Home/Page Up/Page Down/End seeing as the Choc Mini, Keycool, TG3/Deck and countless laptops follow that pattern.
Fixable with a teensy, sure, but it would be nicer to not need one.
"TenKeyLess Update: We are working on a tenkeyless keyboard, however, it is taking longer than anticipated. Look for more news on it in the next several months. Thanks for your patience!"
Considering the ongoing deluge of requests that Unicomp has been getting for new SSKs, for years, it is inconceivable that they would want to "re-design" it beyond adding Windows keys and native USB.
inconceivable that they would want to "re-design" it
inconceivable that they would want to "re-design" it
Ha Ha Ha
Also because the existing SSK layout would require only minor modifications to existing components
while anything else would require A LOT MORE WORK !
The physical layout doesn't seem too bad to me, it's almost a standard 75%. The mappings seem really poor though if that's what they're going for. The column to the right should be Home/Page Up/Page Down/End seeing as the Choc Mini, Keycool, TG3/Deck and countless laptops follow that pattern.
so they still have that 68%ishsomewherearoundthere layout. blehA glimmer of hope:
The real shame is that they keep focusing on producing Model M replicas instead of a new Model F or beamspring. I totally understand why they don't, but the faux Model M's just seem... ugh.I have suggested to Neil at Unicomp that what real IBM-keyboard enthusiasts would love to see is a new SSK with Model F-style capsense internals, but with an improved method that would make assembly and disassembly much easier. And NKRO (capsense makes this possible) or at least capsense with USB 6KRO -- a significant improvement for gamers who like buckling-spring keyboards but need more than the 2KRO limit of Model M's. With several versions of the front plate and corresponding versions of the PCB, and a programmable controller, they could offer a variety of key layouts and customization.
but with an "improved" method that would make assembly and disassembly much easier.
When I said "Model F-style" I meant with the two plates in tension/compression like in a Model F -- just not held together with bend-over aluminum tabs. It would be screwed together all around the perimeter. If the steel is thick and stiff enough (and curved), this should provide proper compression.but with an "improved" method that would make assembly and disassembly much easier.
This is what scares me.
Without multiple plates in tension and compression it will be as dead as a Model M.
And keep a full-size Backspace up where it belongs.
I don't know if this has been said before but on Facebook today I saw an announcement from Unicomp saying that they are making a TKL keyboard but "it's taking longer than expected."
What is that weird not-Windows key on the right side on most modern keyboards, anyway?
And IMHO the two keys should bear the legends "Win" and "Menu" respectively, like this :
What is that weird not-Windows key on the right side on most modern keyboards, anyway?
The menu key. It's like a right click on the mouse to get the drop down menu. Same thing.
And IMHO the two keys should bear the legends "Win" and "Menu" respectively, like this :
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instead of those silly graphics that appear on so many boards.
And IMHO the two keys should bear the legends "Win" and "Menu" respectively, like this :
What is that weird not-Windows key on the right side on most modern keyboards, anyway?
The menu key. It's like a right click on the mouse to get the drop down menu. Same thing.
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instead of those silly graphics that appear on so many boards.
I'm going to necro this thread as the original topic is still on point.
Unicomp posted an update on Facebook today:
Link (https://www.facebook.com/PCKeyboard/photos/a.461139987260660.101444.401589123215747/841442559230399): "TenKeyLess Update: We are working on a tenkeyless keyboard, however, it is taking longer than anticipated. Look for more news on it in the next several months. Thanks for your patience!"
Unfortunately the picture is still this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/khW0Iqj.png)
Personally I like the spaces between groups of Fn keys (which they have room to do unless they're hiding a controller in that top right corner) and some space around the cursor keys which even a keywidth shift to the right would accomplish.
This is fugly, but I'll still buy it.Just curious:
Does that already exist? Xtant (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51767.0). And I bet it'll cost less than $350. Only thing that Xtant doesn't cover on your list is PS/2 and USB.Sorry, I should have added:
Does that already exist? Xtant (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51767.0). And I bet it'll cost less than $350. Only thing that Xtant doesn't cover on your list is PS/2 and USB.BTW, there are several more items on that list that are not present in the Xtant.
Does that already exist? Xtant (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51767.0). And I bet it'll cost less than $350. Only thing that Xtant doesn't cover on your list is PS/2 and USB.
Sorry, I should have added:
15.) Built to the highest production standards, i.e., not (no offense intended here) built as a home-brew project. Remember that commercial enterprises need to turn a healthy profit to stay in business, after all.
BTW, there are several more items on that list that are not present in the Xtant.
Sorry, I should have added:
15.) Built to the highest production standards, i.e., not (no offense intended here) built as a home-brew project. Remember that commercial enterprises need to turn a healthy profit to stay in business, after all.
I am of the opinion that Unicomp doesn't have the highest production standards. Here's an example (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62543.5).BTW, there are several more items on that list that are not present in the Xtant.
The added USB ports I missed. What else? 'Cause I can make an SSK layout with the XTant.
This is fugly, but I'll still buy it.Just curious:
Would you be much more inclined to buy the other one shown if Unicomp produced it?
Would a $349 price tag be an obstacle if:
1.) The keyboard features Model F-style internals with capsense switching;
2.) The keyboard has intrinsic NKRO limited only by the interface -- which I understand may be increased under USB protocol in increments of six keys by configuring the physical keyboard as multiple keyboards;
3.) The housing is die-cast aluminum;
4.) The quality of all molded parts and legend imprinting (if they cannot be D/S molded -- see list item #14) is of extremely high quality and consistency;
5.) There are extra USB input ports to accommodate additional input devices;
6.) The controller is programmable;
7.) The keyboard is built in such a way as to facilitate both initial assembly and subsequent disassembly for repairs or mods;
8.) The keyboard has dual outputs, one PS/2 and one USB;
9.) The internal steel plates are thick and heavy like the original Model M;
10.) The front plate is interchangeable with a variety of other plates having different key layout and number of keys;
11.) The capsense PCB is interchangeable with a variety of other capsense PCB's to accommodate the different front plate layouts;
12.) The sound and feel of the keystrokes is very much like a Model F but with no pinging;
13.) The overall quality of the keyboard and the packaging of it with 2-piece molded foam inside the box are at least up to original IBM standards; and
14.) The key caps and 1-piece keys (where used) are all double-shot molded, with a decent selection of color combinations.
An impossible-wish list to be sure, but just think of how much some keyboard enthusiasts spend buying multiple keyboards, custom key caps, etc. in their search for the one true ultimate keyboard.
I have much more to post regarding this new-SSK concept, but will wait to see how the above material is received. Who knows, maybe some billionaire keyboard fanatic will read this and decide to help Unicomp achieve the ultimate keyboard.
OK, time to get up!
Probably won't pay $350 for what Unicomp is brewing up. Is that what it's going to cost??
This is fugly, but I'll still buy it.Just curious:
Would you be much more inclined to buy the other one shown if Unicomp produced it?
Would a $349 price tag be an obstacle if:
1.) The keyboard features Model F-style internals with capsense switching;
2.) The keyboard has intrinsic NKRO limited only by the interface -- which I understand may be increased under USB protocol in increments of six keys by configuring the physical keyboard as multiple keyboards;
3.) The housing is die-cast aluminum;
4.) The quality of all molded parts and legend imprinting (if they cannot be D/S molded -- see list item #14) is of extremely high quality and consistency;
5.) There are extra USB input ports to accommodate additional input devices;
6.) The controller is programmable;
7.) The keyboard is built in such a way as to facilitate both initial assembly and subsequent disassembly for repairs or mods;
8.) The keyboard has dual outputs, one PS/2 and one USB;
9.) The internal steel plates are thick and heavy like the original Model M;
10.) The front plate is interchangeable with a variety of other plates having different key layout and number of keys;
11.) The capsense PCB is interchangeable with a variety of other capsense PCB's to accommodate the different front plate layouts;
12.) The sound and feel of the keystrokes is very much like a Model F but with no pinging;
13.) The overall quality of the keyboard and the packaging of it with 2-piece molded foam inside the box are at least up to original IBM standards; and
14.) The key caps and 1-piece keys (where used) are all double-shot molded, with a decent selection of color combinations.
An impossible-wish list to be sure, but just think of how much some keyboard enthusiasts spend buying multiple keyboards, custom key caps, etc. in their search for the one true ultimate keyboard.
I have much more to post regarding this new-SSK concept, but will wait to see how the above material is received. Who knows, maybe some billionaire keyboard fanatic will read this and decide to help Unicomp achieve the ultimate keyboard.
OK, time to get up!
I would happily pay $350 for this, yeah. Or any modern high-quality model-F-alike.
Probably won't pay $350 for what Unicomp is brewing up. Is that what it's going to cost??
This is fugly, but I'll still buy it.Just curious:
Would you be much more inclined to buy the other one shown if Unicomp produced it?
Would a $349 price tag be an obstacle if:
1.) The keyboard features Model F-style internals with capsense switching;
2.) The keyboard has intrinsic NKRO limited only by the interface -- which I understand may be increased under USB protocol in increments of six keys by configuring the physical keyboard as multiple keyboards;
3.) The housing is die-cast aluminum;
4.) The quality of all molded parts and legend imprinting (if they cannot be D/S molded -- see list item #14) is of extremely high quality and consistency;
5.) There are extra USB input ports to accommodate additional input devices;
6.) The controller is programmable;
7.) The keyboard is built in such a way as to facilitate both initial assembly and subsequent disassembly for repairs or mods;
8.) The keyboard has dual outputs, one PS/2 and one USB;
9.) The internal steel plates are thick and heavy like the original Model M;
10.) The front plate is interchangeable with a variety of other plates having different key layout and number of keys;
11.) The capsense PCB is interchangeable with a variety of other capsense PCB's to accommodate the different front plate layouts;
12.) The sound and feel of the keystrokes is very much like a Model F but with no pinging;
13.) The overall quality of the keyboard and the packaging of it with 2-piece molded foam inside the box are at least up to original IBM standards; and
14.) The key caps and 1-piece keys (where used) are all double-shot molded, with a decent selection of color combinations.
An impossible-wish list to be sure, but just think of how much some keyboard enthusiasts spend buying multiple keyboards, custom key caps, etc. in their search for the one true ultimate keyboard.
I have much more to post regarding this new-SSK concept, but will wait to see how the above material is received. Who knows, maybe some billionaire keyboard fanatic will read this and decide to help Unicomp achieve the ultimate keyboard.
OK, time to get up!
I would happily pay $350 for this, yeah. Or any modern high-quality model-F-alike.
Probably won't pay $350 for what Unicomp is brewing up. Is that what it's going to cost??
and the sales prospects would need to be quite large, in order to justify the expenditure.
they would need to build an alternate version at the same time that would have mass appeal
PS - and there is no comparison between a Model M floss-mod which is a minor "meh" thing that is hardly worth the waste of time, and the Model F floss-mod which makes a world of difference.
and the sales prospects would need to be quite large, in order to justify the expenditure.
they would need to build an alternate version at the same time that would have mass appeal
Has a better type of floss or equivalent material been found that works well for Model M's?
That's good to know; I wondered if my unsatisfactory result with a Model M floss mod was also experienced by others. Has a better type of floss or equivalent material been found that works well for Model M's?
There is a thread on DT where we are talking about building a custom 62 key Model F. But it falls under the 'home brew' mode for sure.Show Image(http://s28.postimg.org/t099gjkxp/options.gif)
That's good to know; I wondered if my unsatisfactory result with a Model M floss mod was also experienced by others. Has a better type of floss or equivalent material been found that works well for Model M's?
Melvang mentioned the internal part of paracord:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69153.msg1655491#msg1655491 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69153.msg1655491#msg1655491)
The Model M is inherently dead. The feel can never be better than a new one from the early days with fresh springs and heavy plate. The single metal back plate, rubber blanket, and plastic 1-piece front barrel plate simply do not provide the tension and stress to really bring it to life.
Has a better type of floss or equivalent material been found that works well for Model M's?
My end-game, uber-specimen, top-shelf, Model M is a 1986 1390131 that I bolt-modded with a new white latex Unicomp blanket, fresh 2010 Unicomp springs, and mostly F XT 1-piece keys and no floss-mod (and using an Orihalcon SDL-to-USB cable).
The Model F, on the other hand (aside from the far more rigid case), has 3 rigid plates forced together in a concave curve that creates an extremely heavy and solid assembly with multiple unresolved stresses in both tension and compression throughout. I absolutely believe that it is the stresses in these plates that make the Model F so "alive" and that springs, barrels, floss, none of that other stuff makes a bit of difference.
But that is just my opinion, of course.
Based on a considerable amount of hands-on experience.
I really don't want to take any of them apart
I really don't want to take any of them apart
You have answered your own question.
I am loosely referring to the fiberglass PCB bent into the inside curve of the sandwich as the 3rd plate.
There is a thread on DT where we are talking about building a custom 62 key Model F. But it falls under the 'home brew' mode for sure.Show Image(http://s28.postimg.org/t099gjkxp/options.gif)
Ooh, linky?
There is a thread on DT where we are talking about building a custom 62 key Model F. But it falls under the 'home brew' mode for sure.Show Image(http://s28.postimg.org/t099gjkxp/options.gif)
Ooh, linky?
http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/ibm-model-f-62-and-f-107-mod-ideas-t9324.html
Also, with number 10, how do you propose to kill the ping? Factory floss mod?
This thread is not adding anything so far; thus, maybe the OP wants to lock it.
This thread is not adding anything so far; thus, maybe the OP wants to lock it.
By that standard, perhaps 1/3 of all GH threads should be locked for the same reason.
This thread is not adding anything so far; thus, maybe the OP wants to lock it.
By that standard, perhaps 1/3 of all GH threads should be locked for the same reason.
It seems that is approximately right; however, this particular one is nagging.
This thread is not adding anything so far; thus, maybe the OP wants to lock it.
By that standard, perhaps 1/3 of all GH threads should be locked for the same reason.
It seems that is approximately right; however, this particular one is nagging.
I would concur, this is a JOKE from LAST YEAR which should be reason enough to consign it to the archives.
This thread is not adding anything so far; thus, maybe the OP wants to lock it.
By that standard, perhaps 1/3 of all GH threads should be locked for the same reason.
It seems that is approximately right; however, this particular one is nagging.
I would concur, this is a JOKE from LAST YEAR which should be reason enough to consign it to the archives.
Neither the thread nor its subject are jokes. Unicomp is actually developing a new compact keyboard. We must all remember that Unicomp is a very small company at this point, having lost their major customer (IBM) years ago. I believe they are really trying to get this done, and that their credibility would benefit from giving us a sneak peek at actual prototypes they've built. That is, if they look presentable enough to post here, where they would be subject to intense scrutiny.
This thread is not adding anything so far; thus, maybe the OP wants to lock it.
Unicomp's announcement was taken by some here as a joke because it came out right around (or on, not sure) April 1. Unfortunate timing to be sure, but I have an email from their CEO, affirming they are indeed developing this product; but that unlike the rendering they originally published, they have decided it will be more like a traditional TKL layout.
Unicomp's announcement was taken by some here as a joke because it came out right around (or on, not sure) April 1. Unfortunate timing to be sure, but I have an email from their CEO, affirming they are indeed developing this product; but that unlike the rendering they originally published, they have decided it will be more like a traditional TKL layout.
The day before Unicomp announced I posted this: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56591
Which *was* a joke (and I thought a good one). Their announcement the next day was just HORRIBLE timing, people definitely got mixed messages.
Unicomp's announcement was taken by some here as a joke because it came out right around (or on, not sure) April 1. Unfortunate timing to be sure, but I have an email from their CEO, affirming they are indeed developing this product; but that unlike the rendering they originally published, they have decided it will be more like a traditional TKL layout.
The day before Unicomp announced I posted this: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56591
Which *was* a joke (and I thought a good one). Their announcement the next day was just HORRIBLE timing, people definitely got mixed messages.
Unicomp's announcement was taken by some here as a joke because it came out right around (or on, not sure) April 1. Unfortunate timing to be sure, but I have an email from their CEO, affirming they are indeed developing this product; but that unlike the rendering they originally published, they have decided it will be more like a traditional TKL layout.
Unicomp's announcement was taken by some here as a joke because it came out right around (or on, not sure) April 1. Unfortunate timing to be sure, but I have an email from their CEO, affirming they are indeed developing this product; but that unlike the rendering they originally published, they have decided it will be more like a traditional TKL layout.
THIS!
I have an email from their CEO, affirming they are indeed developing this product; but that unlike the rendering they originally published, they have decided it will be more like a traditional TKL layout.
made my day (tm)
So happy now!
:) :)
I wanted the f660m-esque layout.
:(
I wanted the f660m-esque layout.
:(
My idea (one of several possible layout variations) for the ideal 60% KB:
(Attachment Link)
My idea (one of several possible layout variations) for the ideal 60% KB:
(Attachment Link)
Your idea? it looks like the Infinity keyboard. But the render rocks.
An open suggestion to Unicomp:If they are reading this, I would be happy to give my services for capsense PCB design. I might have already designed something to fit an SSK barrel frame - just waiting for someone to lead that project. If they would prefer to keep with membrane but be capable of NKRO, I could show them my new project which I hope to have done in time for the Chicago KeyCon.
If you can afford to do so, as an addition to your current relatively low-cost product line, please produce a limited-production, no-holds-barred, all-out masterpiece of a TKL keyboard, followed by similar but standard-sized versions. Same high-quality PVC that IBM used for the housing, same attention to detail with regard to the quality of molded parts right down to the key caps, same high-quality keycap imprinting with legend fonts and symbols designed by a professional product design specialist and located properly and consistently on their respective cap faces, and with a return to capsense technology and internals like the Model F so that true NKRO would at least be intrinsic to the keyboard itself, along with a few other refinements.
The limited-production product line could command a selling price much higher than the low-cost line, and perhaps this would over time justify the expense of developing and producing it. It would certainly add a great deal to Unicomp's credibility and stature among buckling-spring advocates. A more elegant logo and perhaps new branding would also be advised for a high-end product line such as this.
Unicomp's announcement was taken by some here as a joke because it came out right around (or on, not sure) April 1. Unfortunate timing to be sure, but I have an email from their CEO, affirming they are indeed developing this product; but that unlike the rendering they originally published, they have decided it will be more like a traditional TKL layout.
An open suggestion to Unicomp:If they are reading this, I would be happy to give my services for capsense PCB design. I might have already designed something to fit an SSK barrel frame - just waiting for someone to lead that project. If they would prefer to keep with membrane but be capable of NKRO, I could show them my new project which I hope to have done in time for the Chicago KeyCon.
If you can afford to do so, as an addition to your current relatively low-cost product line, please produce a limited-production, no-holds-barred, all-out masterpiece of a TKL keyboard, followed by similar but standard-sized versions. Same high-quality PVC that IBM used for the housing, same attention to detail with regard to the quality of molded parts right down to the key caps, same high-quality keycap imprinting with legend fonts and symbols designed by a professional product design specialist and located properly and consistently on their respective cap faces, and with a return to capsense technology and internals like the Model F so that true NKRO would at least be intrinsic to the keyboard itself, along with a few other refinements.
The limited-production product line could command a selling price much higher than the low-cost line, and perhaps this would over time justify the expense of developing and producing it. It would certainly add a great deal to Unicomp's credibility and stature among buckling-spring advocates. A more elegant logo and perhaps new branding would also be advised for a high-end product line such as this.
Unicomp's announcement was taken by some here as a joke because it came out right around (or on, not sure) April 1. Unfortunate timing to be sure, but I have an email from their CEO, affirming they are indeed developing this product; but that unlike the rendering they originally published, they have decided it will be more like a traditional TKL layout.
Can to share with us a snippet of that email or do we just have to take your word for it?
And I believe that others have contacted Unicomp with the same response for years. They're developing an SSK/smaller layout buckling spring board.
My idea (one of several possible layout variations) for the ideal 60% KB:
(Attachment Link)
Your idea? it looks like the Infinity keyboard. But the render rocks.
Thanks, but I actually did the solid model and rendering without ever even hearing about Infinity keyboards or seeing any of their layouts. BTW, I worked for the original Infinity Systems (the speaker company) in the early 70's. My boss was one of the 3 founders of the company and during that time he developed the world's first Class D (i.e., PWM -- Pulse Width Modulated) audio power amplifier.
My idea (one of several possible layout variations) for the ideal 60% KB:
(Attachment Link)
Your idea? it looks like the Infinity keyboard. But the render rocks.
Thanks, but I actually did the solid model and rendering without ever even hearing about Infinity keyboards or seeing any of their layouts. BTW, I worked for the original Infinity Systems (the speaker company) in the early 70's. My boss was one of the 3 founders of the company and during that time he developed the world's first Class D (i.e., PWM -- Pulse Width Modulated) audio power amplifier.
If you see the layout of one of the Infinities is similar to yours, but for one key at the left of the bottom row.
My idea (one of several possible layout variations) for the ideal 60% KB:
(Attachment Link)
Your idea? it looks like the Infinity keyboard. But the render rocks.
Thanks, but I actually did the solid model and rendering without ever even hearing about Infinity keyboards or seeing any of their layouts. BTW, I worked for the original Infinity Systems (the speaker company) in the early 70's. My boss was one of the 3 founders of the company and during that time he developed the world's first Class D (i.e., PWM -- Pulse Width Modulated) audio power amplifier.
If you see the layout of one of the Infinities is similar to yours, but for one key at the left of the bottom row.
OK, your point is ____________?
I could respond with the obvious "Great minds think alike", but that may be too presumptive on my part. Once again, I did the design without looking at the Infinity keyboard in question. Being interested only in Model M's, I have no need or desire to look at the myriad of other keyboards on the market.
My idea (one of several possible layout variations) for the ideal 60% KB:
(Attachment Link)
Your idea? it looks like the Infinity keyboard. But the render rocks.
Thanks, but I actually did the solid model and rendering without ever even hearing about Infinity keyboards or seeing any of their layouts. BTW, I worked for the original Infinity Systems (the speaker company) in the early 70's. My boss was one of the 3 founders of the company and during that time he developed the world's first Class D (i.e., PWM -- Pulse Width Modulated) audio power amplifier.
If you see the layout of one of the Infinities is similar to yours, but for one key at the left of the bottom row.
OK, your point is ____________?
I could respond with the obvious "Great minds think alike", but that may be too presumptive on my part. Once again, I did the design without looking at the Infinity keyboard in question. Being interested only in Model M's, I have no need or desire to look at the myriad of other keyboards on the market.
Just providing evidence to warrant my comment; thus, you can dismiss it, cool down and be happy.
Ideas are always better than actual products; simply because, in our minds everything works perfectly; but, managing the gap between a design, and its execution, is the real matter successful business are made off. Let's see what Unicomp actually comes up with, meanwhile everything here is just speculation.
I would eat an hhkb if that came out from unicomp and wasn't a hot pile of mismatched machined garbage.