just find a common rd and if its 1% enjoyable, then topre may be an option, but i doubt it
just find a common rd and if its 1% enjoyable, then topre may be an option, but i doubt it
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Pacifist
if u like clicky then prob no. just find a common rd and if its 1% enjoyable, then topre may be an option, but i doubt it(http://i.imgur.com/EhmvYsO.gif)
convince me!
convince me!
Do it.
I have been all "yeah, go topre!" based on all the positive writings about HHKB and Realforce and have eagerly been waiting for that time I finally get to try one. Today in Akihabara, seeing the HHKB Pro2 waiting for me to finger it I was overjoyed but as soon as I started typing I realized that this was not for me. Almost in despair I try other realforce boards and while the all 45g or all 30g are ok I cannot overcome the get past the feeling of rubberdome. This after repeatedly trying them in different stores to ensure it's not just the first few seconds deciding for me.
To put this in perspective I am using Pokers with MX Red and Black at work and home respectively and the tactileness of Topre didn't appeal at all now. Additionally it felt like they bottomed out much sooner than MX so while the HHKB is amazingly pretty it is not be for me. I will continue pimping my pokers instead.
It won't be like MX Blues...There is no audible feedback except the sound you get when you bottom out..which will happen...The tactile feedback is really just the dome collapsing and all the resistance is at the beginning of the stroke down.
It will be very similar in feel to a rubber dome keyboard..because there is a rubber dome. But it will be far more stable, smoother and when you bottom it feels really solid...it also gives you a very satisfying "thock" when you hit bottom...
I think the main thing is not to expect to be like Cherry Blue or any type of MX switch..because it isn't that..and if you want it to be like that, wouldn't you just stick with what you wanted it to be like?
I have been all "yeah, go topre!" based on all the positive writings about HHKB and Realforce and have eagerly been waiting for that time I finally get to try one. Today in Akihabara, seeing the HHKB Pro2 waiting for me to finger it I was overjoyed but as soon as I started typing I realized that this was not for me. Almost in despair I try other realforce boards and while the all 45g or all 30g are ok I cannot overcome the get past the feeling of rubberdome. This after repeatedly trying them in different stores to ensure it's not just the first few seconds deciding for me.
To put this in perspective I am using Pokers with MX Red and Black at work and home respectively and the tactileness of Topre didn't appeal at all now. Additionally it felt like they bottomed out much sooner than MX so while the HHKB is amazingly pretty it is not be for me. I will continue pimping my pokers instead.
It is totally reasonable to not like Topre, though I will say that I and many other people here believe that it takes much longer than one session (or even a few sessions spaced out over time) to really appreciate cup rubber. A quick anecdote:
Before I switched to a HHKB as my daily driver, I had a kick ass MX board. Hammer Ti aluminum case, fully-programmable PCB, totally custom layout based on my preferences, 62g lubed ergo-clears. I sold both of my kidneys to fund it, and I thought I had it all.
One day, I switched boards with someone who had an original HHKB, because I was curious about Topre. I spent an entire day for it, and at the end of the day I was happy to get my keyboard back. "It's not for me," I said. Except the finger feels lingered. A seed of doubt had been planted. And as the days went by, my awesome ****ing MX board started feeling more and more inadequate…
So I got a HHKB Pro 2, and the second my hands descended on it, I realized that I had become one with the cup on accident. A solid beam of sunlight immediately burst through the closest window, illuminating me and my keyboard.
I sold the MX board that week.
Moral of the story: save yourself money, buy a HHKB.
It won't be like MX Blues...There is no audible feedback except the sound you get when you bottom out..which will happen...The tactile feedback is really just the dome collapsing and all the resistance is at the beginning of the stroke down.
It will be very similar in feel to a rubber dome keyboard..because there is a rubber dome. But it will be far more stable, smoother and when you bottom it feels really solid...it also gives you a very satisfying "thock" when you hit bottom...
I think the main thing is not to expect to be like Cherry Blue or any type of MX switch..because it isn't that..and if you want it to be like that, wouldn't you just stick with what you wanted it to be like?
Still can't understand... why buy board with expensive switches, if it the end all you get is basically slightly improved rubber dome one? Isn't it cheaper just to get some not completely ****ty rd board?
Enlighten me, pretty please :)
It won't be like MX Blues...There is no audible feedback except the sound you get when you bottom out..which will happen...The tactile feedback is really just the dome collapsing and all the resistance is at the beginning of the stroke down.
It will be very similar in feel to a rubber dome keyboard..because there is a rubber dome. But it will be far more stable, smoother and when you bottom it feels really solid...it also gives you a very satisfying "thock" when you hit bottom...
I think the main thing is not to expect to be like Cherry Blue or any type of MX switch..because it isn't that..and if you want it to be like that, wouldn't you just stick with what you wanted it to be like?
Still can't understand... why buy board with expensive switches, if it the end all you get is basically slightly improved rubber dome one? Isn't it cheaper just to get some not completely ****ty rd board?
Enlighten me, pretty please :)
It won't be like MX Blues...There is no audible feedback except the sound you get when you bottom out..which will happen...The tactile feedback is really just the dome collapsing and all the resistance is at the beginning of the stroke down.
It will be very similar in feel to a rubber dome keyboard..because there is a rubber dome. But it will be far more stable, smoother and when you bottom it feels really solid...it also gives you a very satisfying "thock" when you hit bottom...
I think the main thing is not to expect to be like Cherry Blue or any type of MX switch..because it isn't that..and if you want it to be like that, wouldn't you just stick with what you wanted it to be like?
Still can't understand... why buy board with expensive switches, if it the end all you get is basically slightly improved rubber dome one? Isn't it cheaper just to get some not completely ****ty rd board?
Enlighten me, pretty please :)
It isn't slightly better..most people that like it feel there is a significant difference....but there will be strong similarities as well. I think what a lot of people can't get over is if it is similar to a normal rubber dome, they feel it can't be good or can't be worth it. For people that like Topre, what you end up with is a very pleasing experience and it makes it hard to go back to other keyboards..both mechanical and normal rubber dome...I actually think the overall experience is actually enhanced when you go back and forth to your other boards.
The reality is, if you haven't made the value judgement of buying a mechanical vs. a 10/20 dollar rubber dome keyboard and decided you're willing to pay a significant premium then every mechanical isn't really worth getting over a cheap keyboard....they do the same thing they function equally well. I definitely don't try to convince myself I'm going to type any faster or game any better...but the overall experience is enhanced and if I'm using a keyboard a good portion of the day, why wouldn't I want my overall experience to just better a more enjoyable one?
Do it.
I have used Cherry MX Blues for over three years, and enjoy using them.
I have been using a Unicomp Ultra Classic at work for about six months, and enjoy it.
I have owned my Realforce for a little over a week, and am now saving to get another one for work.
"No topre, no peace. Know topre, know peace"
I posted a thread about the Leopold F660c being back in stock, but I was hesitant to purchase cause I did not try Topre yet.
I have now tried Topre, and the F660c is out of stock. It haunts me daily that I did not purchase when it was in stock. I'll get over it, eventually. I really hope EK/Leopold come through with another compact Topre board.
Currently contemplating trying an HHKB.
:D :thumb:
Do it.
I have used Cherry MX Blues for over three years, and enjoy using them.
I have been using a Unicomp Ultra Classic at work for about six months, and enjoy it.
I have owned my Realforce for a little over a week, and am now saving to get another one for work.
"No topre, no peace. Know topre, know peace"
I posted a thread about the Leopold F660c being back in stock, but I was hesitant to purchase cause I did not try Topre yet.
I have now tried Topre, and the F660c is out of stock. It haunts me daily that I did not purchase when it was in stock. I'll get over it, eventually. I really hope EK/Leopold come through with another compact Topre board.
Currently contemplating trying an HHKB.
:D :thumb:
Fanaticism aside, have you looked for the blank version? When the normal FC660C was out of stock a week ago, the blanks were still around.
I started my mech journey with a model m in high school for my gaming rig
been using MX blues for years now.
I hear topre is great. why? is the tactile feel anything like an mx switch? do i get audible feedback if I don't bottom-out? as you can tell, i love clicky boards.
mostly i'm just looking for an excuse to get a 660 or hhkb. convince me!
Heh. I understand topre switches are most likely isn't for me, as I love sound and tactile feedback of BS and Cherry switches too much.
Heh. I understand topre switches are most likely isn't for me, as I love sound and tactile feedback of BS and Cherry switches too much.
Blues were my first switch, and I was instantly in love. Buckling springs are much better than Blues to me in sound and feel, but Blues/Greens remain my favorite MX switches. But even though I love the sound, feel, and clickiness, Topre has still managed to get in there and tie itself up with BS for me.
I'm never in the "omg only Topre best ever" group, but I don't think you should completely disregard it based on that assumption, just like I believe you shouldn't do for any mechanical switch. You just never know until you try them, regardless of others' opinions.
Heh. I understand topre switches are most likely isn't for me, as I love sound and tactile feedback of BS and Cherry switches too much.
Blues were my first switch, and I was instantly in love. Buckling springs are much better than Blues to me in sound and feel, but Blues/Greens remain my favorite MX switches. But even though I love the sound, feel, and clickiness, Topre has still managed to get in there and tie itself up with BS for me.
I'm never in the "omg only Topre best ever" group, but I don't think you should completely disregard it based on that assumption, just like I believe you shouldn't do for any mechanical switch. You just never know until you try them, regardless of others' opinions.
As for now, I'm alternating my typing experience between Unicomp BS one at home and Poker II with blues at work. Before that I was typing for two years on Razer's BlackWidow - also MX Blues.
Kinda tempted to try Topre - but for now it seems to me too expensive, and, besides, there ain't very many custom keycaps for Topre switches.
I think some people set the wrong expectations with Topre..
It isn't some magical switch..but is it enjoyable to type on? I think so...Do I think everyone is going to like it right away? I'd probably say at least half the people that try it at first think it is just like any regular rubber dome...Some will give up on it right away..some might stay with it a bit..most of those that use it for awhile and give it a chance will like it..but quite a few will still not like it...
I think for typing it is the most enjoyable switch to use..but I really dislike it for gaming...even more so if it is variable Topre....Thankfully we don't have to stick to just one keyboard or one type of switch..
I think some people set the wrong expectations with Topre..
It isn't some magical switch..but is it enjoyable to type on? I think so...Do I think everyone is going to like it right away? I'd probably say at least half the people that try it at first think it is just like any regular rubber dome...Some will give up on it right away..some might stay with it a bit..most of those that use it for awhile and give it a chance will like it..but quite a few will still not like it...
I think for typing it is the most enjoyable switch to use..but I really dislike it for gaming...even more so if it is variable Topre....Thankfully we don't have to stick to just one keyboard or one type of switch..
Yeah it's funny some people give it a day or a few days then sell it and are anti topre!! Give it a couple week, a month . Best switch ever.
mostly i'm just looking for an excuse to get a 660 or hhkb. convince me!
I think some people set the wrong expectations with Topre..
It isn't some magical switch..but is it enjoyable to type on? I think so...Do I think everyone is going to like it right away? I'd probably say at least half the people that try it at first think it is just like any regular rubber dome...Some will give up on it right away..some might stay with it a bit..most of those that use it for awhile and give it a chance will like it..but quite a few will still not like it...
I think for typing it is the most enjoyable switch to use..but I really dislike it for gaming...even more so if it is variable Topre....Thankfully we don't have to stick to just one keyboard or one type of switch..
Yeah it's funny some people give it a day or a few days then sell it and are anti topre!! Give it a couple week, a month . Best switch ever.
If you use anything for a month with everybody around you telling you it's good, you could probably fall in love with a microwave keyboard. If you don't like it, sell it. Don't fall prey to this rubbish.
My reasoning is pretty simple. No matter what keyboard you end up with today, if it's not Topre, you will be left wondering how Topre feels like. You will continue reading about how people who have it are the master and winning race while the cherry users are considered peasants. And you will look at your keyboard and wonder, "do I want to be peasants all my life?"; "I have this wallet here and I can choose to be the master race. " And then you start posting in a thread to ask people to convince- oh .. wait... JUST GET IT! JOIN US!
-- typed on a RF 55g..
If you use anything for a month with everybody around you telling you it's good, you could probably fall in love with a microwave keyboard. If you don't like it, sell it. Don't fall prey to this rubbish.
That's not true and doesn't make sense. They bought the keyboard because people said it was good but if they didn't like it initially at the high point of their expectations then certainly another month of people saying it is good won't influence their decision. The reason people say to wait a month is because it takes time to evaluate the switch and get used to how it feels. Coming off of Cherry a lot of people will think it feels too much like their old RD keyboards..and in some ways it does. It takes time for people to appreciate the difference between it and normal RD keyboards...and then going back between that and their Cherry, etc, also gives a good contrast. If you still don't like it, of course you should sell it but some people give it less than 30 minutes before making their minds up...why not give it a bit more time before deciding? It isn't impacting the resale value and you invested time to buy and try the thing..why not give it a fair chance before deciding?
My reasoning is pretty simple. No matter what keyboard you end up with today, if it's not Topre, you will be left wondering how Topre feels like. You will continue reading about how people who have it are the master and winning race while the cherry users are considered peasants. And you will look at your keyboard and wonder, "do I want to be peasants all my life?"; "I have this wallet here and I can choose to be the master race. " And then you start posting in a thread to ask people to convince- oh .. wait... JUST GET IT! JOIN US!
-- typed on a RF 55g..
This argument is full of feelings and lacks facts whatsoever, but well, luxury items always take the route of branding, more than the way of usefulness. "I have this wallet here" so no economics rules apply anymore?
My reasoning is pretty simple. No matter what keyboard you end up with today, if it's not Topre, you will be left wondering how Topre feels like. You will continue reading about how people who have it are the master and winning race while the cherry users are considered peasants. And you will look at your keyboard and wonder, "do I want to be peasants all my life?"; "I have this wallet here and I can choose to be the master race. " And then you start posting in a thread to ask people to convince- oh .. wait... JUST GET IT! JOIN US!
-- typed on a RF 55g..
This argument is full of feelings and lacks facts whatsoever, but well, luxury items always take the route of branding, more than the way of usefulness. "I have this wallet here" so no economics rules apply anymore?
Isn't using a mech keyboard ALL about feel? Poker 2 tag line is Enjoy Your Feeling. Topre tag line is Feeling of Oneness with Cup Rubber. If you are expecting scientific facts on how many mm it takes to actuate or weighing - sure maybe that's your cup of tea - but for many people keyboard is an art. You feel it, you touch it, it makes your heart glad and you cry at night thinking how much money you spent on the keyboard, on the key caps, on the BroBots. Even those caps are all about feel and aesthetics. There is no science to that!
Ha ha ha.. It's a pleasure.
I often questioned where my rational and logical self is because somehow, with mech keyboards, they were thrown out the windows. Sometimes, sitting in front of my PC, late at night, I would stare at the keyboard, dazed and uncomprehending, wondering how in the world did I end up spending $500 on a keyboard (Topre plus all the caps sitting beautifully on the clusters, untapped because you know, fingers are dirty)? And then I have lots of reasons not to upgrade my old iPhone 4s with broken speaker. Or you know, send the car for service. Or go see a dentist.
So, back to the point, now please convince me to buy an expensive rubber dome keyboard. :pThat's alright. We still love you no matter you take the red or bill pill but if you insist, let me point you to the topee keyboard brothel (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40658.1950) and show you some keyboard pr0n:
Heh. I understand topre switches are most likely isn't for me, as I love sound and tactile feedback of BS and Cherry switches too much.
Blues were my first switch, and I was instantly in love. Buckling springs are much better than Blues to me in sound and feel, but Blues/Greens remain my favorite MX switches. But even though I love the sound, feel, and clickiness, Topre has still managed to get in there and tie itself up with BS for me.
I'm never in the "omg only Topre best ever" group, but I don't think you should completely disregard it based on that assumption, just like I believe you shouldn't do for any mechanical switch. You just never know until you try them, regardless of others' opinions.
As for now, I'm alternating my typing experience between Unicomp BS one at home and Poker II with blues at work. Before that I was typing for two years on Razer's BlackWidow - also MX Blues.
Kinda tempted to try Topre - but for now it seems to me too expensive, and, besides, there ain't very many custom keycaps for Topre switches.
If you want to try it and keycaps are the issue, and seeing as you don't seem in too much of a rush, perhaps you should just wait for the Novatouch.
There's Leopold 660C which is what you are looking for, tototo.While it's certainly possible to adapt to that layout I am so happy with the Poker that I will want that from now on. Also a way to justify not getting a Topre now that I had the chance. :) Let's see if coolermaster dare make something smaller than TKL with either MX or Topre.
So, back to the point, now please convince me to buy an expensive rubber dome keyboard. :pThat's alright. We still love you no matter you take the red or bill pill but if you insist, let me point you to the topee keyboard brothel (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40658.1950 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40658.1950)) and show you some keyboard pr0n:Show Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/11/6ehevape.jpg)Show Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/11/u2e9epu4.jpg)Show Image(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/11/enyvuja7.jpg)
well i bought a gently used HHKB pro 2. I'll let you guys know what I think when it comes in. There are definitely weak points in my current mx blue ducky 9008g2 pro. The pbt caps are amazing to type on (and so are the switches) but it is too big to move often and bad for fps or any gaming requiring button-mashing.
topre here i come
No wonder I am not in sales IRL, sigh...
(but you are wise, sir!)
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
should i if my hands think 45g is not too light or heavy? people say the 45g is mushy but i don't feel that way at all.55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
I have..and I prefer 45g. 55g is snappier but it also requires more force to use.
If we come back to what sells and why 45g is more popular..I'm sure it wasn't because all the manufacturers have thought 55g was the best but decided to make 45g instead. I know this is hard to understand because a lot of people can't grasp how others may possibly have a different preference to them.
Some people like 55g..and that's great...and if someone prefers heavier switches I'd definitely point them towards 55g...otherwise I'd probably stick with the popular version first...
I wouldn't call 45g "popular" but rather the "stock" version. Of course, it's all preference, but many people here who've tried both have proclaimed 55g to be superior.
never ending claming.
I wouldn't call 45g "popular" but rather the "stock" version. Of course, it's all preference, but many people here who've tried both have proclaimed 55g to be superior.
It is more popular...
If 55g was determined to be superior..by peoples preferences or by testing, etc, etc...Surely they'd be selling a lot more of them right? They don't because it isn't preferred by a majority and testing I'm sure has shown it to be on the heavier side for most users...
There are definitely a good number of users on GH that prefer 55g..but you also see them because they're vocal about it...And yet you have many many users with HHKBs (45g), 660c (45g), 45g RF, Variable RF, etc, none of which are 55g RFs..
I'm not saying which is better since what is better for any individual is a personal choice...but if by calling 45g stock you mean to say 55g is an upgraded version..that is pretty delusional...55g is there as a niche product because some people want a heavier switch..some people will definitely prefer it..
never ending claming.
Of the mammary glands?
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55g or go home, heathens.
45g is stock as in the standard weight for Topre switches, given that most Topre boards are made with 45g. Even the new Coolermaster Topre keyboard will be 45g. Just because it's the most-produced doesn't make it "popular". How many here will claim that MX Brown is the most popular MX, when it's simply just the most produced switch?
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topre owners are the gingers of the keyboard community
they all hate us, but they want to have sex with us.
that's what I got from that picture.
riotonthebay is the old dude tho, because he's like us but not really.
This is the ultimate try to link Topre with something attractive, but sort of out of place references. Red heads and sex? Come on guys be more creative.
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
I have..and I prefer 45g. 55g is snappier but it also requires more force to use.
If we come back to what sells and why 45g is more popular..I'm sure it wasn't because all the manufacturers have thought 55g was the best but decided to make 45g instead. I know this is hard to understand because a lot of people can't grasp how others may possibly have a different preference to them.
Some people like 55g..and that's great...and if someone prefers heavier switches I'd definitely point them towards 55g...otherwise I'd probably stick with the popular version first...
I wouldn't call 45g "popular" but rather the "stock" version. Of course, it's all preference, but many people here who've tried both have proclaimed 55g to be superior.
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
I have..and I prefer 45g. 55g is snappier but it also requires more force to use.
If we come back to what sells and why 45g is more popular..I'm sure it wasn't because all the manufacturers have thought 55g was the best but decided to make 45g instead. I know this is hard to understand because a lot of people can't grasp how others may possibly have a different preference to them.
Some people like 55g..and that's great...and if someone prefers heavier switches I'd definitely point them towards 55g...otherwise I'd probably stick with the popular version first...
I wouldn't call 45g "popular" but rather the "stock" version. Of course, it's all preference, but many people here who've tried both have proclaimed 55g to be superior.
Luckily not too many, as the significant majority of Topre owners have a 45g version on an HHKB, FC660C, and Realforce. Can you stop kidding yourself here? People like light switches, that's why we have rubber domes, scissor switches, light MX, and 45g Topre to supplant the Model M and typewriter-weight keyboards, and lighter MX is more popular than heavy by an order of magnitude.
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
I have..and I prefer 45g. 55g is snappier but it also requires more force to use.
If we come back to what sells and why 45g is more popular..I'm sure it wasn't because all the manufacturers have thought 55g was the best but decided to make 45g instead. I know this is hard to understand because a lot of people can't grasp how others may possibly have a different preference to them.
Some people like 55g..and that's great...and if someone prefers heavier switches I'd definitely point them towards 55g...otherwise I'd probably stick with the popular version first...
I wouldn't call 45g "popular" but rather the "stock" version. Of course, it's all preference, but many people here who've tried both have proclaimed 55g to be superior.
Luckily not too many, as the significant majority of Topre owners have a 45g version on an HHKB, FC660C, and Realforce. Can you stop kidding yourself here? People like light switches, that's why we have rubber domes, scissor switches, light MX, and 45g Topre to supplant the Model M and typewriter-weight keyboards, and lighter MX is more popular than heavy by an order of magnitude.
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
I have..and I prefer 45g. 55g is snappier but it also requires more force to use.
If we come back to what sells and why 45g is more popular..I'm sure it wasn't because all the manufacturers have thought 55g was the best but decided to make 45g instead. I know this is hard to understand because a lot of people can't grasp how others may possibly have a different preference to them.
Some people like 55g..and that's great...and if someone prefers heavier switches I'd definitely point them towards 55g...otherwise I'd probably stick with the popular version first...
I wouldn't call 45g "popular" but rather the "stock" version. Of course, it's all preference, but many people here who've tried both have proclaimed 55g to be superior.
Luckily not too many, as the significant majority of Topre owners have a 45g version on an HHKB, FC660C, and Realforce. Can you stop kidding yourself here? People like light switches, that's why we have rubber domes, scissor switches, light MX, and 45g Topre to supplant the Model M and typewriter-weight keyboards, and lighter MX is more popular than heavy by an order of magnitude.
55g is only heavy if you have frail hands and don't deserve to behold such greatness.
55g is only heavy if you have frail hands and don't deserve to behold such greatness
Whatever you do, don't get a hhkb2, it feels like a toy!!
Whatever you do, don't get a hhkb2, it feels like a toy!!
FWIW very few people agree with your assessment.
This is the ultimate try to link Topre with something attractive, but sort of out of place references. Red heads and sex? Come on guys be more creative.
Yep. I don't want to bang my keyboard in THAT sense.
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
I have..and I prefer 45g. 55g is snappier but it also requires more force to use.
If we come back to what sells and why 45g is more popular..I'm sure it wasn't because all the manufacturers have thought 55g was the best but decided to make 45g instead. I know this is hard to understand because a lot of people can't grasp how others may possibly have a different preference to them.
Some people like 55g..and that's great...and if someone prefers heavier switches I'd definitely point them towards 55g...otherwise I'd probably stick with the popular version first...
I wouldn't call 45g "popular" but rather the "stock" version. Of course, it's all preference, but many people here who've tried both have proclaimed 55g to be superior.
People like light switches, that's why we have rubber domes
55g Topre or don't even bother. 45g is underwhelming and you'd most likely be disappointed. Topre definitely blows MX out of the water.
What you just said only applies to a world without personal preferences.
Have you had the chance to feel the glory that is 55g Topre?
I have..and I prefer 45g. 55g is snappier but it also requires more force to use.
If we come back to what sells and why 45g is more popular..I'm sure it wasn't because all the manufacturers have thought 55g was the best but decided to make 45g instead. I know this is hard to understand because a lot of people can't grasp how others may possibly have a different preference to them.
Some people like 55g..and that's great...and if someone prefers heavier switches I'd definitely point them towards 55g...otherwise I'd probably stick with the popular version first...
I wouldn't call 45g "popular" but rather the "stock" version. Of course, it's all preference, but many people here who've tried both have proclaimed 55g to be superior.
People like light switches, that's why we have rubber domes
I thought rubber domes were considered 'heavy'?
Whatever you do, don't get a hhkb2, it feels like a toy!!
FWIW very few people agree with your assessment.
If you have to be convinced to buy a topre board then you are not ready for it yet, padawan.Rather I think that if OP doesn't hang around GH, he will never want a Topre after he got his mechanical. It is only when he hang around more that his heart will wonder, what is this magic called Topre that everyone is talking about. So, we will never know unless he stay on.
When it is time, you will know and your fingers will ask for it.
If you have to be convinced to buy a topre board then you are not ready for it yet, padawan.Rather I think that if OP doesn't hang around GH, he will never want a Topre after he got his mechanical. It is only when he hang around more that his heart will wonder, what is this magic called Topre that everyone is talking about. So, we will never know unless he stay on.
When it is time, you will know and your fingers will ask for it.
If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded. Most GHers seem to have pretty strong opinions with enough Topre haters and enough strong preferences to other things to make me think your theory isn't right.Quote in bold is what I personally very much agree. The forums and all are a good place of information but also a good place full of opinions of sort. If you are buying Topre just because of the name or some hype behind it and only because of that, you really are missing out the whole logical point behind it which may leave you disappointed when someone comes along with a handful of information that depics Topre as inferior or whatever.
They're all good in different ways, you just have to find what works for you....There has just been a recent Topre wave recently because they've been a bit more affordable...660c, Type Heaven, etc...
If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded. Most GHers seem to have pretty strong opinions with enough Topre haters and enough strong preferences to other things to make me think your theory isn't right.Quote in bold is what I personally very much agree. The forums and all are a good place of information but also a good place full of opinions of sort. If you are buying Topre just because of the name or some hype behind it and only because of that, you really are missing out the whole logical point behind it which may leave you disappointed when someone comes along with a handful of information that depics Topre as inferior or whatever.
They're all good in different ways, you just have to find what works for you....There has just been a recent Topre wave recently because they've been a bit more affordable...660c, Type Heaven, etc...
Personally I never bought my Topre based keyboard (HHKB) was purely because it is a Topre switch but rather because it has a Topre switch it made it even more tempting. Ultimately I chose a keyboard with the layout and the style that best fit my needs, virtually everything else falls in place when I start fuelling my interest with knowledge on the specific choice of keyboard.
If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.And who here falls under that?
If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.And who here falls under that?
Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?
If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.And who here falls under that?
Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?
Oh, it's easy. Sell to someone piece of garbage for 2000$, and he'll start to call it "modern art" :)
Same with keyboards. Not everyone can be honest with themselves and admit they bought a keyboard for 300 bucks which feels like total crap to them. So they start to justify their choice, start to "find" something in in. Hell, they can even persuade themselves they love it :)
Hypebeasts, we know aboutcha
Don't buy keyboards unless they're popular
If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.And who here falls under that?
Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?
If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.And who here falls under that?
Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?
Based on the rest of my post after that sentence I said most people on here are not like that. My response was based on Linkbane's comment that fanboys like it because others say it is great..but based on the number and level of strong opinions on here and the varied number of switches that are people's favorites, I don't think that is the case at all.
Not saying that some people aren't sheep...there are plenty out there...and there might be some people that like X or Y based on what others have said...but most of the regulars on here or short term regulars on here have read a lot, tried a lot..and have spent enough to where they're likely coming to their own opinions about what they like.
If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.And who here falls under that?
Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?
Based on the rest of my post after that sentence I said most people on here are not like that. My response was based on Linkbane's comment that fanboys like it because others say it is great..but based on the number and level of strong opinions on here and the varied number of switches that are people's favorites, I don't think that is the case at all.
Not saying that some people aren't sheep...there are plenty out there...and there might be some people that like X or Y based on what others have said...but most of the regulars on here or short term regulars on here have read a lot, tried a lot..and have spent enough to where they're likely coming to their own opinions about what they like.
so it sounds like we're on the same page.
sorry if i came off as rude, but this "topre is only liked because it's popular" mentality is annoying.
If you like a Topre because someone else does then you're really weak minded.And who here falls under that?
Granted people praising it will lead to others being curious to try it, but who is dumb enough to stick with a switch simply because it's popular?
Based on the rest of my post after that sentence I said most people on here are not like that. My response was based on Linkbane's comment that fanboys like it because others say it is great..but based on the number and level of strong opinions on here and the varied number of switches that are people's favorites, I don't think that is the case at all.
Not saying that some people aren't sheep...there are plenty out there...and there might be some people that like X or Y based on what others have said...but most of the regulars on here or short term regulars on here have read a lot, tried a lot..and have spent enough to where they're likely coming to their own opinions about what they like.
so it sounds like we're on the same page.
sorry if i came off as rude, but this "topre is only liked because it's popular" mentality is annoying.
Yeap...There was a time when the argument was made (mainly by tp4) that people liked their Topre boards because they had invested so much in them they had no choice but to like them..which is rather ridiculous considering how much people spend on keyboards here..but outside of that, once lower cost alternatives starting coming out, that argument got a severe beatdown.
I have no doubt that the posts on here and the talking about it influences people to TRY Topre...But are the users on here really so weak as to LIKE it because others do? I don't think so..not any of the semi regulars or regulars anyways...
The irony is that that OP has already bought an HHKB.
The irony is that that OP has already bought an HHKB.
We're all really here to voice our biased opinions, regardless of what OP actually does :p
The irony is that that OP has already bought an HHKB.He did? Well done!! :thumb:
On the other hand, if we stickies and no one ask, we have nothing to talk about. This could be a problem. No wonder threads like this were never stickied and that the search functions are broken. My fingers itch to type more on the supreme HHKB and RF!
What was this thread about again?
The irony is that that OP has already bought an HHKB.
161wpm, yo.
I really don't care what you think lol. I didn't address you until you quoted me and threw in a lame jab.
Man, how bad do you get bullied at school that you try to act superior online?
Neither do I, because right about everything you do online is try to bait others into getting mad at you, which I'm not. It's just sad that you have so many posts on the forum yet contribute nothing, but I guess trolling online is all you can do to get your ego trip. :'(
161wpm, yo.
I really don't care what you think lol. I didn't address you until you quoted me and threw in a lame jab.
Man, how bad do you get bullied at school that you try to act superior online?
Neither do I, because right about everything you do online is try to bait others into getting mad at you, which I'm not. It's just sad that you have so many posts on the forum yet contribute nothing, but I guess trolling online is all you can do to get your ego trip. :'(
More ****posting from the 16 year old with a victim complex. This is like the third thread in a week where he picks a fight and then acts like people are jumping down his throat. Sometimes people really do just like a product and aren't following trends by enjoying something, but then, being a highschool student his world likely revolves around trends and so assumes everyone else makes purchase decisions based on what their peers think.
161wpm, yo.
I really don't care what you think lol. I didn't address you until you quoted me and threw in a lame jab.
Man, how bad do you get bullied at school that you try to act superior online?
Neither do I, because right about everything you do online is try to bait others into getting mad at you, which I'm not. It's just sad that you have so many posts on the forum yet contribute nothing, but I guess trolling online is all you can do to get your ego trip. :'(
More ****posting from the 16 year old with a victim complex. This is like the third thread in a week where he picks a fight and then acts like people are jumping down his throat. Sometimes people really do just like a product and aren't following trends by enjoying something, but then, being a highschool student his world likely revolves around trends and so assumes everyone else makes purchase decisions based on what their peers think.
What was this thread about again?
for real i just wanted some opinions on topre from people who'd used tactile mechs.
It's in the mail, I really hope I like it. Not because it's topre and I want to like topre, but because I don't want to go through the trouble of selling it if it doesn't "click" for me (get it?)
161wpm, yo.
I really don't care what you think lol. I didn't address you until you quoted me and threw in a lame jab.
Man, how bad do you get bullied at school that you try to act superior online?
Neither do I, because right about everything you do online is try to bait others into getting mad at you, which I'm not. It's just sad that you have so many posts on the forum yet contribute nothing, but I guess trolling online is all you can do to get your ego trip. :'(
More ****posting from the 16 year old with a victim complex. This is like the third thread in a week where he picks a fight and then acts like people are jumping down his throat. Sometimes people really do just like a product and aren't following trends by enjoying something, but then, being a highschool student his world likely revolves around trends and so assumes everyone else makes purchase decisions based on what their peers think.
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I really don't care what you think. That's also not what I said, but I don't really want to waste time talking with someone who jumps into other arguments and tries to seem cool or something idiotic, when you yourself would run home crying if anyone disagreed with you.
Whoah whoah whoah...
another Topre thread degenerating into childish arguments?
THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE
Whoah whoah whoah...
another Topre thread degenerating into childish arguments?
THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE
That wouldn't happen on Geekhack, would it?
We are all so mature :p
Whoah whoah whoah...
another Topre thread degenerating into childish arguments?
THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE
That wouldn't happen on Geekhack, would it?
We are all so mature :p
Can I moderate my own thread :))
Whoah whoah whoah...
another Topre thread degenerating into childish arguments?
THAT'S NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE
omg the HHKB showed up today and so far I love it. It's completely different from the feel of MX switches, and I originally thought that that'd be a bad thing. It's not! Now I just have to get used to the backspace key location. If I can't get used to this layout I will be getting a 660c for sure. Something tells me I will get used to it thought.
Anyone got some cool topre caps!?
omg the HHKB showed up today and so far I love it. It's completely different from the feel of MX switches, and I originally thought that that'd be a bad thing. It's not! Now I just have to get used to the backspace key location. If I can't get used to this layout I will be getting a 660c for sure. Something tells me I will get used to it thought.
Anyone got some cool topre caps!?
Do people think its cute to call a HHKB a rubberdome? It sounds kind of stupid. I mean yes topre switches have rubber domes in them, so, haha I guess, but the connotation they are what most people consider a rubber dome keyboard could not be farther from the truth.
I convinced a coworker to get a Realforce 87u. He let me try it out today and part of me died inside because I know I won't be getting one for quite some time. I thought I would really dislike the actuation weight differences but I thought they did it right. It allowed me to determine that 45g is my favorite on the board. 55g just seemed a bit too stiff.
Time to go back to my blues and browns. Life is tough.
I convinced a coworker to get a Realforce 87u. He let me try it out today and part of me died inside because I know I won't be getting one for quite some time. I thought I would really dislike the actuation weight differences but I thought they did it right. It allowed me to determine that 45g is my favorite on the board. 55g just seemed a bit too stiff.sell your cherry mx keyboards for the realforce? it's basically what I did. I went from 4 keyboards to just my realforce.
Time to go back to my blues and browns. Life is tough.
Yeah, and watch the classifieds. Just a couple of days ago, Bro Caps sold a RF for $180. I know it is still quite expensive but if you have sold your other mech in exchange for this, it should be affordable then. You will not regret it and you don't really need more than 2 keyboards.I convinced a coworker to get a Realforce 87u. He let me try it out today and part of me died inside because I know I won't be getting one for quite some time. I thought I would really dislike the actuation weight differences but I thought they did it right. It allowed me to determine that 45g is my favorite on the board. 55g just seemed a bit too stiff.sell your cherry mx keyboards for the realforce? it's basically what I did. I went from 4 keyboards to just my realforce.
Time to go back to my blues and browns. Life is tough.
I convinced a coworker to get a Realforce 87u. He let me try it out today and part of me died inside because I know I won't be getting one for quite some time. I thought I would really dislike the actuation weight differences but I thought they did it right. It allowed me to determine that 45g is my favorite on the board. 55g just seemed a bit too stiff.
Time to go back to my blues and browns. Life is tough.
One day I'd like to try get myself a Leopold too. I am just not sure why I need to seeing that I already have two Topre. But I like the two keys on the right - great key caps display area. Ha ha .. Many also seemed to think that Leopold is different from HHKB and RF. So, I am really itchy to try one.
Would really want to join the leopold and poker hype one day, for now I need to stick with tkl.
Thorpe 55g is zen. Once bought and typed on, you'll achieve enlightenment.
Wow, 6 pages of reasons to get go Topre. I'm starting to feel an itch.
Not to jack the thread but... Browns would be similar to 45g or 55g topre? Trying to decide which uniform version to buy.
The thing about Topre is that it's underwhelming for the first week of using it. So you are correct, Suichoy, that it doesn't seem a big deal. But after one week, it will grab you and gives you pleasure and won't let go and you will be wondering why you even think about Cherru. Topre is like drugs, you know. It sucked in the beginning but became addictive the more you use.
Not to jack the thread but... Browns would be similar to 45g or 55g topre? Trying to decide which uniform version to buy.
Does anyone know where I can order a 45g uniform, Elitekeyboards is so out and I would like to do it today? Or would 55 gram be better? Thanks everyone for your input so far. I'm really excited about getting one of these boards.
I went ahead a pulled the trigger...Got the Realforce 55g. Can't wait for it to get here.
I went ahead a pulled the trigger...Got the Realforce 55g. Can't wait for it to get here.
Nice :)
Black or white version?
loving my hhkb so far. Getting used to the layout has been easier than expected.
gonna need blank caps soon!
I saw that listing too...heh. :eek:loving my hhkb so far. Getting used to the layout has been easier than expected.
gonna need blank caps soon!
Why are you selling your current HHKB Pro 2 then? :P
I saw that listing too...heh. :eek:loving my hhkb so far. Getting used to the layout has been easier than expected.
gonna need blank caps soon!
Why are you selling your current HHKB Pro 2 then? :P
omg the HHKB showed up today and so far I love it. It's completely different from the feel of MX switches, and I originally thought that that'd be a bad thing. It's not! Now I just have to get used to the backspace key location. If I can't get used to this layout I will be getting a 660c for sure. Something tells me I will get used to it though.
Anyone got some cool topre caps!?
doesn't matter if the stock caps are good or not. people will want variety and no one enjoys paying $100 for a set....not to mention there are no topre groupbuys.
doesn't matter if the stock caps are good or not. people will want variety and no one enjoys paying $100 for a set....not to mention there are no topre groupbuys.
You seem to think everyone buys extra keycaps..which isn't true....
It certainly does matter that the RF and HHKB stock keycaps are good...If they're already good, some people won't care if alternatives are available...If they're terrible, some people will.
Will the Novatouch keep the RF or HHKB from being made? It doesn't look like it...
doesn't matter if the stock caps are good or not. people will want variety and no one enjoys paying $100 for a set....not to mention there are no topre groupbuys.
You seem to think everyone buys extra keycaps..which isn't true....
It certainly does matter that the RF and HHKB stock keycaps are good...If they're already good, some people won't care if alternatives are available...If they're terrible, some people will.
Will the Novatouch keep the RF or HHKB from being made? It doesn't look like it...
That's the thing though - there are very few replacement Topre keycap sets, and those are rapidly disappearing with no more being made.
Basically you buy a Topre keyboard - you are stuck with the keycaps that it comes with.
doesn't matter if the stock caps are good or not. people will want variety and no one enjoys paying $100 for a set....not to mention there are no topre groupbuys.
You seem to think everyone buys extra keycaps..which isn't true....
It certainly does matter that the RF and HHKB stock keycaps are good...If they're already good, some people won't care if alternatives are available...If they're terrible, some people will.
Will the Novatouch keep the RF or HHKB from being made? It doesn't look like it...
That's the thing though - there are very few replacement Topre keycap sets, and those are rapidly disappearing with no more being made.
Basically you buy a Topre keyboard - you are stuck with the keycaps that it comes with.
doesn't matter if the stock caps are good or not. people will want variety and no one enjoys paying $100 for a set....not to mention there are no topre groupbuys.
You seem to think everyone buys extra keycaps..which isn't true....
It certainly does matter that the RF and HHKB stock keycaps are good...If they're already good, some people won't care if alternatives are available...If they're terrible, some people will.
Will the Novatouch keep the RF or HHKB from being made? It doesn't look like it...
That's the thing though - there are very few replacement Topre keycap sets, and those are rapidly disappearing with no more being made.
Basically you buy a Topre keyboard - you are stuck with the keycaps that it comes with.
No doubt...That is definitely a concern for those that want to replace or mess around with keycaps...
Ultimately is that a huge deal? Not really...For a lot of GHers it might be..for everyone else? *shrug*.
Hey guys, just to confirm, is HHKB Pro 2 black the same as dark gray? Is it the same color just with different names or are they actually 2 different colors?
Hey guys, just to confirm, is HHKB Pro 2 black the same as dark gray? Is it the same color just with different names or are they actually 2 different colors?
It's the same. The HHKB Pro 2 only comes in white or black (also referred to as grey).
Hey guys, just to confirm, is HHKB Pro 2 black the same as dark gray? Is it the same color just with different names or are they actually 2 different colors?
It's the same. The HHKB Pro 2 only comes in white or black (also referred to as grey).
It's really deep dark gray (I believe some call it charcoal). It's closer to black than gray, but my Filco stock is much "blacker" than my HHKB Pro 2.