Did you notice any difference between Razer oranges and Cherry MX browns?
Did you notice any difference between Razer oranges and Cherry MX browns?However my disappointment right off the bat is that I cant flip the spacebar.
I love the color on those switches but I heard that these are just re colored cherry switches that already exist.
Did you notice any difference between Razer oranges and Cherry MX browns?However my disappointment right off the bat is that I cant flip the spacebar.
Check your reddit thread :p
I think that's the correct way to do it [assuming it's possible].
The switch is "Designed from the ground up for gaming"?
So they designed an entirely new switch? With a different case, pinouts, keycap connect, switching mechanism, etc., etc., etc.?
A slight variant on an existing design is not "from the ground up". >:D IMHO, that crosses the line from marketing to outright lying.
That Spacebar stab...
Are the other stabilized keys like that too, where the bar comes off?
does razer hate linears? all they have are blues and browns....
does razer hate linears? all they have are blues and browns....
That's why all pro level fighting sticks have tactile switches, and not only that but the 8 direction sticks have tactile response as well.
does razer hate linears? all they have are blues and browns....
I think it's a marketing thing. Tactile feedback, and clicking especially, makes mechanical keyboards seem "more mechanical" and so people who buy their boards feel more special.
are you going to dismantle this to give a more in-dept reveiw? :p
What are these tools you are talking about? You only need a screwdriver and a credit card basically.As simple as that maybe
Meh same problems as last one, strange layout, ugly case, hideous font, razer leds. New switches or not won't be buying this for sure...Agreed. If it's anything like a brown ... The tactility actually ruins the switch rather than improves it. (Compared to a red) :'(
are you going to dismantle this to give a more in-dept reveiw? :p
I'm not willing to tear it apart on account I don't have tools, and I don't trust my crippled muscles as much as I used too.
I can use it for a bout a week and then report back my pros and cons and if I've broken the thing or not yet.
are you going to dismantle this to give a more in-dept reveiw? :p
I'm not willing to tear it apart on account I don't have tools, and I don't trust my crippled muscles as much as I used too.
I can use it for a bout a week and then report back my pros and cons and if I've broken the thing or not yet.
It's really easy to take apart in case you're curious. There should be a total of 6 screws on the bottom, 4 of them hidden beneath the rubber feet (which are easy to put back on) and that's about it. Once that's done, just take like a guitar pick or something and pry the case open.
A slight variant on an existing design is not "from the ground up". >:D IMHO, that crosses the line from marketing to outright lying.
As much as I like razer mice, I gotta admit this keyboards marketing, they aren't "lying" but it just fluff bull****.
They're just proclaiming their "we made this for Gamerz omfg" all over the place.
when the Gamerz found out.I am not too certain about that, people complain from Razer all the time and yet they sell stuff like hot cakes...
I gotta make a correction. I just went over to the thread about the new switch, and apparently on their web site, Razor is claiming their switch is good for 60 million strokes while "standard mechanical" are only good for 20 million. I seem to recall that Cherrys are supposed to be good for 50 million, or least some new ones are. But who can ever check them on those numbers?They're using the numbers for MX blues. I remember a while ago when I was looking for my first mechanical keyboard that MX blues were being rated for 20million clicks.
Damn those orange switches look sexy.. Wish the keyboard was normal shape Id get it and throw a different keyset on it..
I have an older Blackwidow TE with blues, which I really like now that I have sawed the case off of it.Show Image(http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu169/ynrozturk/1010693_10151961362961481_76504229_n_zps245da0b5.jpg)
In other words, normal razers are terrible :DI have an older Blackwidow TE with blues, which I really like now that I have sawed the case off of it.Show Image(http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu169/ynrozturk/1010693_10151961362961481_76504229_n_zps245da0b5.jpg)
:)) how true. Razers tend to look much better when they don't look like Razers.
I swear, even the blues on it feel better now with the case in the trash.
I swear, even the blues on it feel better now with the case in the trash.
I'm not surprised. The sound from the blues may be affected by the casing, or else the ergonomics are. I personally don't like the fact that the keyboard has such a wide plastic lip, since it forces me to stretch my fingers more when resting wrists on the wrist rest.
I personally think that once you get rid of the casing, the keyboard controller, the keycaps, all Razer logos, it's a pretty decent keyboard no worse than Xarmor or Nighthawk.
It's not exactly expensive either, considering it has MX blues and a steel plate. The keyboard is actually very solid. Just the casing around it sucks. Too damn fat for no other reason than to put that dumb Razer logo in the middle beneath the space bar. Once I sawed all that nonsense off the board feels a lot more responsive and a lot more comfortable. Really, it took me like 20 minutes to do and I am loving the results. The MX blues are quieter now without the case as well.I can think of many other keyboards that have MX Blues and steel plates. Either you don't know much about mech keyboards or you're out of curve.
It's not exactly expensive either, considering it has MX blues and a steel plate. The keyboard is actually very solid. Just the casing around it sucks. Too damn fat for no other reason than to put that dumb Razer logo in the middle beneath the space bar. Once I sawed all that nonsense off the board feels a lot more responsive and a lot more comfortable. Really, it took me like 20 minutes to do and I am loving the results. The MX blues are quieter now without the case as well.I can think of many other keyboards that have MX Blues and steel plates. Either you don't know much about mech keyboards or you're out of curve.
It's not exactly expensive either, considering it has MX blues and a steel plate. The keyboard is actually very solid. Just the casing around it sucks. Too damn fat for no other reason than to put that dumb Razer logo in the middle beneath the space bar. Once I sawed all that nonsense off the board feels a lot more responsive and a lot more comfortable. Really, it took me like 20 minutes to do and I am loving the results. The MX blues are quieter now without the case as well.I can think of many other keyboards that have MX Blues and steel plates. Either you don't know much about mech keyboards or you're out of curve.
It's not exactly expensive either, considering it has MX blues and a steel plate. The keyboard is actually very solid. Just the casing around it sucks. Too damn fat for no other reason than to put that dumb Razer logo in the middle beneath the space bar. Once I sawed all that nonsense off the board feels a lot more responsive and a lot more comfortable. Really, it took me like 20 minutes to do and I am loving the results. The MX blues are quieter now without the case as well.I can think of many other keyboards that have MX Blues and steel plates. Either you don't know much about mech keyboards or you're out of curve.
No, there aren't any clicky tenkeyless mechanical keyboards with a plate in the same price range as BW 2013 TE in many parts of Europe and neighbouring areas.
It's not exactly expensive either, considering it has MX blues and a steel plate. The keyboard is actually very solid. Just the casing around it sucks. Too damn fat for no other reason than to put that dumb Razer logo in the middle beneath the space bar. Once I sawed all that nonsense off the board feels a lot more responsive and a lot more comfortable. Really, it took me like 20 minutes to do and I am loving the results. The MX blues are quieter now without the case as well.I can think of many other keyboards that have MX Blues and steel plates. Either you don't know much about mech keyboards or you're out of curve.
No, there aren't any clicky tenkeyless mechanical keyboards with a plate in the same price range as BW 2013 TE in many parts of Europe and neighbouring areas.
you have filco to blame.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42242.0
Strange you say that, here in my country (Nowhere near the states) it costs less than a QFR TE. Things it has looking up to it? Far better quality. Definitely far better.
QFR is EOL'd already btw.
Strange you say that, here in my country (Nowhere near the states) it costs less than a QFR TE. Things it has looking up to it? Far better quality. Definitely far better.
QFR is EOL'd already btw.
Strange you say that, here in my country (Nowhere near the states) it costs less than a QFR TE. Things it has looking up to it? Far better quality. Definitely far better.
QFR is EOL'd already btw.
he might not be seeing the same things in the shops in Erdoganvatan as you are seeing in the US.
Oopsie nice catch. BW TE.Strange you say that, here in my country (Nowhere near the states) it costs less than a QFR TE. Things it has looking up to it? Far better quality. Definitely far better.
QFR is EOL'd already btw.
What's QFR TE? CM Storm and Razer had sex? O_o
Anyway, I'm still waiting for the "many" cheap keyboards with plate-mounted blues. Here¹'s only the BW 2013 TE, €15 more expensive QF TK and QFR without blues... and some weird full-size Tesoro Durandal. Cherry G80s are full-size and with PCB mounting. Keycools have to be imported from China.
¹ Czechia. Country internationally known for ice hockey, beer, porn, '68 and Václav Klaus, the president that "stole" a pen. ^_^
that very keyboard was the one I was using ... It is priced the same as a BWU 2013.Strange you say that, here in my country (Nowhere near the states) it costs less than a QFR TE. Things it has looking up to it? Far better quality. Definitely far better.
QFR is EOL'd already btw.
he might not be seeing the same things in the shops in Erdoganvatan as you are seeing in the US.
Correct. You can only get around 5 brands of mechanical keyboards here - Razer, Logitech, Steel Series, Zowie and I just checked - Cooler Master. However out of all of those, only the Razer you can get in TKL. And all of them are ridiculously expensive. I just saw that ridiculous CM Storm MECH or whatever it is, and it's running at $300 US here. No thanks.
There's a reason why I buy all my keyboards when I visit the US.
The thing I'm most surprised at is the price. Only $80 for a Razer? Someone must have talked them down a lot from their previous profit margins, what with a "new" design and all that pish.
People are acting as if this whole "Razer for gamers" stuff is new. That's how I got sucked into buying my first BW because it was "for gamers". They think because they add macro keys and it has straight lines means it's for gamers. However I do quite like the case on that, I don't know how it's different from before, but I like it.
But yeah, the font, as always, is horrendous.
Yeah, but I mean $80 is like £47. I remember my BW was probably about £80 ($130), and that had no backlight either. Bearing in mind the amount of R&D they supposedly have gone through to make these switches, I would have thought the price would be higher.This is the key : these are Kalih switches NOT razer switches. Razer didn't put any R&D into them.
I have to confess I do love the shape of the case
The bottom row is so **** thought... I don't think I can put up with those keycapsI have to confess I do love the shape of the case
Yeah, I don't know what it is, but I like it too. Maybe the fact that it isn't shiny like the rest of Razer's cases?
If I can find an ISO layout one for a decent price I might try one...
The bottom row is so **** thought... I don't think I can put up with those keycaps
Yes but surely Razer has paid Kalih to make these switches purely for them? Or am I missing something? I thought these were essentially "Razer brand" switches, made by Kalih, exclusively for Razer? So rather than paying Cherry for a **** ton of switches, they have paid Kalih for exclusive rights to these, whatever they are being called, and THEN paying for a load?They still have to pay Kalih money to make normal "MX Clone" switches anyway. It's far cheaper than paying cherry who often does not have enough to fulfill orders :p
...or to a better keyboard.That's true.
Can someone make this clear to me: so orange switches are a lot less noisy and the green ones are noisy as hell? The 2014 Edition is just a slight upgrade of the 2013. A guy like me who own the original Black Widow Ultimate 2012 has many reasons to upgrade to the newer one.
Razer basically is working with Kailh because they didn't like that Cherry is having quality issues, has a long backlog, and is providing their new RGB switches exclusively to Razer's competitors.
Razer basically is working with Kailh because they didn't like that Cherry is having quality issues, has a long backlog, and is providing their new RGB switches exclusively to Razer's competitors.
Razer basically is working with Kailh because they didn't like that Cherry is having quality issues, has a long backlog, and is providing their new RGB switches exclusively to Razer's competitors.
Quality issues? That would be news to me. They do have issues with supplying the demand manufacturers are having.
Well, as my first mechanical board Razer was OK, but now I found better ones...
But if I'll found decent priced TE 2014 with Razer greens... maybe I'll think about it. On the other hand - another 20 bucks will get me second Poker or Keycool.
I tried the Blackwidow Tournament TKL with the orange switches at my local Frys and they felt more like linear switches than Cherry browns. But that was just the curser keys thru the box cutout, no tactile feel at all.
That's why all pro level fighting sticks have tactile switches, and not only that but the 8 direction sticks have tactile response as well.This is a late response, but that's totally untrue. There's not a fighting game button I know of that has any tactile feedback. I think maybe some American arcade buttons were tactile, but Sanwas and Seimitsus are pretty much all you're going to find in any FG player's stick, and they're both linear with an actuation point VERY close to the top.
I tried the Blackwidow Tournament TKL with the orange switches at my local Frys and they felt more like linear switches than Cherry browns. But that was just the curser keys thru the box cutout, no tactile feel at all.
Cherry Browns (Razer’s Orange) feel linear if you hammer them.
Mechanical switches are to be pressed kindly; if you are coming from rubber domes which you have to hammer, then it will take time to alter the way you type to end up typing lightly, and then feel the Cherry Browns' bump. MX Blue (Razer’s Green), MX Clear, MX Green switches have a heavier bump easier to feel - MX Green switches are not intended to have in all keys, only for the spacebar of an MX Blue board.