Blue and Green are the same, but Whites have longer legs to aid with a "soft click". Also reports that whites are lubed a bit more than usual.I took a lot of comparison pictures of whites / greens and did not see this. I will upload them if wanted.
brown clear tactile greyMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/c8KhOPh.jpg)MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/dbrwo2r.jpg)
Clear is hazy as it absorbes the flash. :(Blue and Green are the same, but Whites have longer legs to aid with a "soft click". Also reports that whites are lubed a bit more than usual.I took a lot of comparison pictures of whites / greens and did not see this. I will upload them if wanted.
I couldn't find my images, so I took more.brown clear tactile greyMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/c8KhOPh.jpg)MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/dbrwo2r.jpg)
Clear is hazy as it absorbes the flash. :(Blue and Green are the same, but Whites have longer legs to aid with a "soft click". Also reports that whites are lubed a bit more than usual.I took a lot of comparison pictures of whites / greens and did not see this. I will upload them if wanted.
Please do! Check the black leg vs the clear/white leg and let me know, as I hope I am not spreading falsities. It has been a while.
Whites have a shorter "leg" than greens, according to retspiR.
He had photo evidence for this one.
Clear and tactile Grey are the same
Sorry for derail.
Are there multiple types of grey? And I'm guessing these http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=719 (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=719) are tactile greys?
I could be wrong but I think there are clicky greys as well, although not common at all.
Are there multiple types of grey? And I'm guessing these http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=719 (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=719) are tactile greys?
There are tactile and linear greys.
I could be wrong but I think there are clicky greys as well, although not common at all.
Red and black are the same. Vintage black might be different.
Vintage switches use different materials... and not all of them are made equally. I've seen at least two types of springs and the plastic is different too.
Red and black are the same. Vintage black might be different.
Red and black are the same. Vintage black might be different.
Vintage black are also the same as modern blacks and reds. Only difference is that vintage switches have different lube which made them smoother. They also used different springs, but they were inconsistent back then and IMO in this regard modern springs are much better.
Vintage black are also the same as modern blacks and reds. Only difference is that vintage switches have different lube which made them smoother. They also used different springs, but they were inconsistent back then and IMO in this regard modern springs are much better.
So basically, they're kind of a scam? (IIRC, they sell for quite a high price, but in actuality, you could just "make" your own with different lube and regular blacks?)
I don't know where you got this from but this is completely wrong. There is no lube (or barely any factory lube that's left) on vintage switches, let alone different or special lube. I cleaned my vintage switches before using them (because of dirt inside of the switches) and the smoothness is still there.
The springs are inconsistent because they are old and used - this will happen to modern springs as well with usage.
You are correct though, you can lube new blacks to get a similar effect.
I don't know where you got this from but this is completely wrong. There is no lube (or barely any factory lube that's left) on vintage switches, let alone different or special lube. I cleaned my vintage switches before using them (because of dirt inside of the switches) and the smoothness is still there.
The springs are inconsistent because they are old and used - this will happen to modern springs as well with usage.
You are correct though, you can lube new blacks to get a similar effect.
Was going to post exactly this. The vintage blacks I've got have a tiny dab of lubricant on the leaf spring in the exact same amount/location as modern blacks and nothing more. Despite that, the vintage blacks are noticeably smoother. My Filco with red switches was used daily for almost 7 months and even the most worn-in, smoothest red switch still feels scratchier than the worst vintage black.
After doing some casual experimentation, it is my opinion that their unusual smoothness is a combination of the switch being both worn in and a difference in plastic material. Maybe the difference in material composition causes vintage switches to wear-in more/better. For example, If I put a scratchy red stem inside a vintage black housing, it makes it smoother but not as smooth as the vintage black by itself. Like wise, putting a vintage black stem inside a scratchy red housing made it smoother but not anywhere near as smooth as the completely vintage black setup.
I could be wrong but I think there are clicky greys as well, although not common at all.
Yes, but they're very rare.
So I misread this as red vs black spiders.
Weren't clicky Grays the original MX switches or am I mistaken?
This is slightly off topic, but is this http://www.lowes.com/pd_363779-39963-DS1004101_0__?productId=3550504 (http://www.lowes.com/pd_363779-39963-DS1004101_0__?productId=3550504) an okay/good lube to use? I'm looking to lube my blacks (love how smooth they feel after typing on browns and blues for a year and half, and interested in how much better they'd feel with lube).
Also, is it okay to cut the costar stabilizers a little bit to make taking the keycaps off and lubing them easier? It's extremely difficult right now on my Keycool 84 as compared with my other board.
Weren't clicky Grays the original MX switches or am I mistaken?
I'm pretty sure the first ones were Black and Blue. If clicky Greys we're first there would probably also be more of them.This is slightly off topic, but is this http://www.lowes.com/pd_363779-39963-DS1004101_0__?productId=3550504 (http://www.lowes.com/pd_363779-39963-DS1004101_0__?productId=3550504) an okay/good lube to use? I'm looking to lube my blacks (love how smooth they feel after typing on browns and blues for a year and half, and interested in how much better they'd feel with lube).
Also, is it okay to cut the costar stabilizers a little bit to make taking the keycaps off and lubing them easier? It's extremely difficult right now on my Keycool 84 as compared with my other board.
Get some thin Krytox lube kit from Techkeys or Mechanicalkeyboards.com, it's a very good lube and includes some tools you will need for lubing.
Not sure what you mean with the stabilizers. You're aware that you will have to desolder your switches if you want to lube them unless you have a custom plate, right?
$18.00 for four grams... I plan on lubing my black switches, and hopefully some clear switches that I will be purchasing later (and also just the stabilizers on all of my keyboards). I'm aware that desoldering will be necessary to lube the switches, but I'm mostly concerned about cost vs. amount of lube.
I'd rather shell out $54.00 straight off the bat for this (http://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Krytox-Grease-Lubricant-Tube/dp/B00B29QVCY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1399003189&sr=8-3&keywords=krytox+gpl) rather than buy it in 4 g intervals at $18.00. Only worry is how techkeys/mechkeyboards prepares them - do they mix it with something called 1506? (Product is listed as "4g Krytox GPL 206/1506 premixed" on both sites). I can't seem to find that other lube.
Once again, if anyone could comment on the quality of this lube (http://www.lowes.com/pd_363779-39963-DS1004101_0__?productId=3550504), I would appreciate it. If it is a decent lube, I will probably get that instead to save what seems like a lot of money.
$18.00 for four grams... I plan on lubing my black switches, and hopefully some clear switches that I will be purchasing later (and also just the stabilizers on all of my keyboards). I'm aware that desoldering will be necessary to lube the switches, but I'm mostly concerned about cost vs. amount of lube.
I'd rather shell out $54.00 straight off the bat for this (http://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Krytox-Grease-Lubricant-Tube/dp/B00B29QVCY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1399003189&sr=8-3&keywords=krytox+gpl) rather than buy it in 4 g intervals at $18.00. Only worry is how techkeys/mechkeyboards prepares them - do they mix it with something called 1506? (Product is listed as "4g Krytox GPL 206/1506 premixed" on both sites). I can't seem to find that other lube.
Once again, if anyone could comment on the quality of this lube (http://www.lowes.com/pd_363779-39963-DS1004101_0__?productId=3550504), I would appreciate it. If it is a decent lube, I will probably get that instead to save what seems like a lot of money.
Those 4g are more than enough for a full sized keyboard. The kits also contain a brush and a syringe with needles so you can apply the lube fairly easily.
The kits are not made by them, they are made by mkawa. He knows a lot about lube and if he says you should use it then you totally should. If you would want to know more about Krytox and what makes it so good search the forum for his posts about it ;)
For stabilizers you should use grease instead of lube.
$18.00 for four grams... I plan on lubing my black switches, and hopefully some clear switches that I will be purchasing later (and also just the stabilizers on all of my keyboards). I'm aware that desoldering will be necessary to lube the switches, but I'm mostly concerned about cost vs. amount of lube.
I'd rather shell out $54.00 straight off the bat for this (http://www.amazon.com/DuPont-Krytox-Grease-Lubricant-Tube/dp/B00B29QVCY/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1399003189&sr=8-3&keywords=krytox+gpl) rather than buy it in 4 g intervals at $18.00. Only worry is how techkeys/mechkeyboards prepares them - do they mix it with something called 1506? (Product is listed as "4g Krytox GPL 206/1506 premixed" on both sites). I can't seem to find that other lube.
Once again, if anyone could comment on the quality of this lube (http://www.lowes.com/pd_363779-39963-DS1004101_0__?productId=3550504), I would appreciate it. If it is a decent lube, I will probably get that instead to save what seems like a lot of money.
Your guide in the signature (which is quite helpful by the way, I used this when I thought I broke my keyboard after pulling the spacebar off a year ago) misled me... it says to use lube on stabilizers :(
Can you recommend a grease to use?
Thanks for your help though!
Your guide in the signature (which is quite helpful by the way, I used this when I thought I broke my keyboard after pulling the spacebar off a year ago) misled me... it says to use lube on stabilizers :(
Can you recommend a grease to use?