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The Cherry ML-4100 is very light and very small.
They are black cherry ML switches.
You can see some photos of them here:
http://park16.wakwak.com/~ex4/kb/tech_cherry_ml.htm
...and read a bit of info about them here, under the ML section:
http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Cherry+switches
make sure to look at the key layout of the 4100. its a bit different then usual. I have one but can't get used to the short right shift key.
I already know all about the switch types :)
I really like blacks for gaming, but hate them for typing. Is there some other model like this with blue or brown switches?
No matter what the layout is it won't be a problem, this keyboard is really just going to be switched around on headless servers, or to check if a problem is from a customer's keyboard or motherboard, stuff like that. Nothing I'm going to sit and write a report on or anything like that.
The HHKB Pro 2 that you mentioned above isn't all that heavy, as keyboards go, but it is heavier and better built than most of the smaller boards.
You might be able to find a DSI SMK-88 with blue cherries because there were a few of them made, or you can get the current DSI Modular Mac with blue cherries:
http://www.dsi-keyboards.com/keyboard/item.php?id=110
...both boards came from the same manufacturer.
In that case the 4100 should work fine. Its relatively affordable and for what you mentioned an HHKB would be a waste of money.
Heres one on ebay
check it (http://cgi.ebay.com/CHERRY-POS-Keyboard-ML-4100-LOOK_W0QQitemZ260396299929QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item260396299929&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1546|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50)
I already know all about the switch types :)
I really like blacks for gaming, but hate them for typing. Is there some other model like this with blue or brown switches?
Well, since you know all about the different switch types, then you know that the ML black Cherry switches are NOT the same as the MX black Cherry switches that are typically found in popular gaming keyboards.
ML switches have a very short throw and are actually a ton of fun (IMHO) to type on.
Either way I already picked up two of them :D.
I think you'll like the weight and portability of the ML-4100... and like iMav says, they are fun to type on. The smaller right-shift key is about the only complaint I've ever heard from anyone regarding this keyboard.
Do let us know what you think when they come in.
I think you'll like the weight and portability of the ML-4100... and like iMav says, they are fun to type on. The smaller right-shift key is about the only complaint I've ever heard from anyone regarding this keyboard.
Here's another one: Windows keys. I nearly bought a G84-4100 some time ago because I somewhat urgently needed a small keyboard. A local shop had one for not much more than you'd pay online, but when I tried typing on it, the short spacebar immediately became apparent. As Cherry decided to include all 3 windows keys, the spacebar is shortened, which leads to me missing it the whole time. The 83-key version should be better, but it wasn't available. (So I ended up buying the cheapest compact keyboard I could find--a Cherry Cymotion pro)
-huha
why not use an ibm space saver to travel with. they aren't that light tho, but they wont break and you can use it as a weapon :)
Don't feel so bad though, its still probably better than the keyboard I use right now. Its an A4Tech KL-5UP. Feels worse than a $5 logitech.
why not use an ibm space saver to travel with. they aren't that light tho, but they wont break and you can use it as a weapon :)
LOL... I have one of those and it went right back into the box after 5 minutes of typing on it. There is no comparison between that board and the ML-4100, but you'll find out for yourself soon enough.
???? nobody recommended the Brando Super Tiny?
???? nobody recommended the Brando Super Tiny?Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1974&d=1232651161)
That's awesome, I want one of those anyway! Where do you get it from?http://usb.brando.com.hk/super-tiny-keyboard_p00666c034d015.html
That's my kind of Geekhack, ignore the review and buy one anyway!
This is funny, Megarat ended up recommending this if you need tiny:
http://www2.multithread.co.uk/mtcshop/images/linitx.com/products/USB_Tiny_Thumbpad_Keyboard_main.jpg
- Ripster
How is that thing supposed to be useable? That's just way too small. My thumbs would hit 6 buttons at once, lol.
But nah, I was thinking of using that brando in my car once I get an LCD in it. I've already got a stand-alone touchpad to mount in the armrest, that brando would work well mounted in front of the armrest, tilted up a little bit. I'd never be typing on it, except for like the first two or three letters in an MP3's name to get to it quick. Or something like that.
Besides, its a Brando. Its got what plants crave, its got electrolytes! ;)
Besides, its a Brando.
I think you'll like the weight and portability of the ML-4100... and like iMav says, they are fun to type on. The smaller right-shift key is about the only complaint I've ever heard from anyone regarding this keyboard.
While I think the G84 is the *perfect* keyboard for what the OP needs, there are actually more negatives to it than the crouded lower right area. One is the short throw of the switches, kinda like on laptop style scissor switches. Second, the switches tend to get stuck when not hit dead center. Third, the surface of the keytops is smaller as on standard keyboards, which makes the whole alphanumeric block about 5 cm less wide than a standard keyboard. If at least they'd put the backtick/tilde key where it belongs... I'd recommend it only if the small size and portability is the most important factor, which is the case for the OP.
Got a good suggestion for a replacement just in case I end up taking one and smashing it with a 2x4?
Not really, unfortunately. A Filco Tenkeyless would be overkill IMHO (too expensive), and you'd better make sure to get one with blue MX or white XM as you said you like BS. But if you can afford it... The ultimate space saver will be lowpolys Trackpoint Mini I think, but who knows when it'll be available and what it'll cost.
The Cherry ML is a very nice feeling (i.e. tactile) switch and as I said I think for your purpose the G84 is the perfect keyboard if you're not going to touch type a lot with it.
I think it's extremely distracting. Sorry, but animated avatars suck, especially if they're so hyperactive.
-huha
Adblock. :smile:
Gotta have Adblock! I use the Plus version and never go online without it.
Adblock + noscript = ultimate internet security!
It seemingly takes about 2-3 months for Noscript to really get broken in. and it is irritating at first ]
Most useful tip of the day but I seem to have blocked several other users avatars as well.
Manyak, how about reconsidering.....
- Ripster
There you go, different avatar :)Oww.
There you go, different avatar :)
There you go, different avatar :)
yea, think point of discussion involved an understated request for non-animated avatars on forum.
That was actually an advantage of IE that never made it into Firefox. You could click the stop button and animated GIFs would stop.Yea that sounds nice. On firefox, do this with adblock. *rightclick "adblock image" ofcourse that just removes the image not stops it. usually good thou.
I've always disliked animated images placed in avatars and signatures on forums because they are overly distracting. If such distractions are going to be allowed on forums, I usually wind up disabling them altogether in the User Control Panel so that they are no longer a problem.
So will these work with just a regular old PS/2->USB adapter or do they need a signal converter like the Model Ms?
You got the PS/2 version?
Yeah, all the ones on ebay were PS/2.
You'll probably need a converter rather than just a plug adapter then.