Pure is older than Poker 2. Poker 2 has a plate and a user programmable layer. Otherwise they have a very similar build quality as they are produced in the same place. If you can get a Pure cheaper and don't mind it's Fn layer there it's still not a bad choice.
Pure is older than Poker 2. Poker 2 has a plate and a user programmable layer. Otherwise they have a very similar build quality as they are produced in the same place. If you can get a Pure cheaper and don't mind it's Fn layer there it's still not a bad choice.
I think I'll just go with the Poker II. It is available for $99 over at e-sports site with thick white PBTs and RGB modifiers.
Pure is older than Poker 2. Poker 2 has a plate and a user programmable layer. Otherwise they have a very similar build quality as they are produced in the same place. If you can get a Pure cheaper and don't mind it's Fn layer there it's still not a bad choice.
I think I'll just go with the Poker II. It is available for $99 over at e-sports site with thick white PBTs and RGB modifiers.
What site is this? qtan's?
The Poker II has a plate and a better layout IMHO. I also think that those keycaps on the Pure had problems with the backlighting (characters wearing off). The Pure also has those weird size keycaps that will cause problems when you want to upgrade the caps.
I had this same question before I got my Poker II, couldn't make my mind up between the Poker, Pure, and Choc Mini. After looking at the layouts and upgrade options I went the Poker and never looked back.
I got the pure as my first mech keyboard.
And i'd say get a poker 2.
The Poker II has a plate and a better layout IMHO. I also think that those keycaps on the Pure had problems with the backlighting (characters wearing off). The Pure also has those weird size keycaps that will cause problems when you want to upgrade the caps.Wow, I didn't know I stepped into pure hate town.
I had this same question before I got my Poker II, couldn't make my mind up between the Poker, Pure, and Choc Mini. After looking at the layouts and upgrade options I went the Poker and never looked back.
But then there is the whole 'maybe I should just hold off for a GH60' dilemma.
But then there is the whole 'maybe I should just hold off for a GH60' dilemma.
Why not hold off for the Duck Viper/Eagle group buy? Both look amazing and are 60%. I believe the projected end date for this group buy will be sometime this summer, but it's still in IC phase.
But then there is the whole 'maybe I should just hold off for a GH60' dilemma.
Why not hold off for the Duck Viper/Eagle group buy? Both look amazing and are 60%. I believe the projected end date for this group buy will be sometime this summer, but it's still in IC phase.
Yeah, I think I am going to pick up an Eagle this summer, but I think I will save that board for something special. Possibly ergo clears. Especially since I am going to have to send it out to be assembled as I don't know jack ish about building boards.
Wish I did though. :'(
But then there is the whole 'maybe I should just hold off for a GH60' dilemma.
Why not hold off for the Duck Viper/Eagle group buy? Both look amazing and are 60%. I believe the projected end date for this group buy will be sometime this summer, but it's still in IC phase.
Yeah, I think I am going to pick up an Eagle this summer, but I think I will save that board for something special. Possibly ergo clears. Especially since I am going to have to send it out to be assembled as I don't know jack ish about building boards.
Wish I did though. :'(
I don't either, but after spending a few hours reading/watching videos about soldering and watching WhiteFireDragon's videos on Youtube, I feel pretty confident about my ability to build a keyboard. Give it a shot!
But then there is the whole 'maybe I should just hold off for a GH60' dilemma.
Why not hold off for the Duck Viper/Eagle group buy? Both look amazing and are 60%. I believe the projected end date for this group buy will be sometime this summer, but it's still in IC phase.
Yeah, I think I am going to pick up an Eagle this summer, but I think I will save that board for something special. Possibly ergo clears. Especially since I am going to have to send it out to be assembled as I don't know jack ish about building boards.
Wish I did though. :'(
I don't either, but after spending a few hours reading/watching videos about soldering and watching WhiteFireDragon's videos on Youtube, I feel pretty confident about my ability to build a keyboard. Give it a shot!
Oh, no doubt as I plan to. I just don't think my first keyboard I try to build should be $300+ in parts lol.
Pure is older than Poker 2. Poker 2 has a plate and a user programmable layer. Otherwise they have a very similar build quality as they are produced in the same place. If you can get a Pure cheaper and don't mind it's Fn layer there it's still not a bad choice.
But then there is the whole 'maybe I should just hold off for a GH60' dilemma.
Why not hold off for the Duck Viper/Eagle group buy? Both look amazing and are 60%. I believe the projected end date for this group buy will be sometime this summer, but it's still in IC phase.
Yeah, I think I am going to pick up an Eagle this summer, but I think I will save that board for something special. Possibly ergo clears. Especially since I am going to have to send it out to be assembled as I don't know jack ish about building boards.
Wish I did though. :'(
I don't either, but after spending a few hours reading/watching videos about soldering and watching WhiteFireDragon's videos on Youtube, I feel pretty confident about my ability to build a keyboard. Give it a shot!
Oh, no doubt as I plan to. I just don't think my first keyboard I try to build should be $300+ in parts lol.
$220 (not shipped I think though) for the Duck ones, and about $110? for the Red Scarf one (combined 60% and numpad)
Alternatively, there are some cheap PCBs and cases on Taobao you could buy ;D
Taobao? I'm not familiar. :(
But then there is the whole 'maybe I should just hold off for a GH60' dilemma.
Why not hold off for the Duck Viper/Eagle group buy? Both look amazing and are 60%. I believe the projected end date for this group buy will be sometime this summer, but it's still in IC phase.
Yeah, I think I am going to pick up an Eagle this summer, but I think I will save that board for something special. Possibly ergo clears. Especially since I am going to have to send it out to be assembled as I don't know jack ish about building boards.
Wish I did though. :'(
I don't either, but after spending a few hours reading/watching videos about soldering and watching WhiteFireDragon's videos on Youtube, I feel pretty confident about my ability to build a keyboard. Give it a shot!
Oh, no doubt as I plan to. I just don't think my first keyboard I try to build should be $300+ in parts lol.
$220 (not shipped I think though) for the Duck ones, and about $110? for the Red Scarf one (combined 60% and numpad)
Alternatively, there are some cheap PCBs and cases on Taobao you could buy ;D
Taobao? I'm not familiar. :(
Differences between Pure and Poker 2:
1. Pure is PCB mount, Poker 2 is plate mounted.
2. Pure has 6 mounting screws, Poker 2 has 5. So Poker 2 board will fit more cases, whereas the Pure needs ones with the extra screw otherwise it gets a bit bendy.
3. Pure Fn layout is different to Poker 2. I prefer the Pure layout, but the Poker 2 has a fully programmable Pn layout, which makes this kind of moot.
4. Pure has a short right shift and an extra 1x key on the shift row. Poker has standard ANSI layout. It's easier to find keycaps for Poker 2, but many sets do have an option for getting a short right shift. A lot of 2nd hand sets WON'T have the short right shift, though, so in truth, there are a lot less sets out there that fit the Pure.
5. The Pure has backlighting, but the switches are mounted "right way round" so the LED's are at the bottom of the switch. Some Poker 2's are backlit, some are not, but you can add LED's to the non-backlit ones to give them backlighting. More importantly, the switches are mounted "upside down" except for the space bar switch, so the LED's are in the correct place for proper backlit keycaps.
I love my Pure, but sometimes think I should have gone with a Poker 2 instead. Problem was that I couldn't find a Poker 2 ANSI locally, only ISO, but I could find a Pure limited edition with ANSI layout, so I got that. I really like the Fn layer and think it is THE best 60% Fn layer out there, but as I said, you can program the Poker 2 to have the same layout on the Pn layer.
The only 3 benefits of the Pure over the Poker 2 that matter, IMHO, are:
1. You can open the switches to mod them more easily due to being PCB rather than plate mount, but it's not much of an advantage since you have to desolder the LED's to do it and it's not THAT much more work to also desolder the switches you want to open.
2. It has both the Esc AND ~` key on the default layer, which is really nice if you work in Linux.
3. You can toggle the right hand modifier keys into an upside down T arrow cluster.
Poker 2 over Pure:
1. Plate mounted feels better IMO.
2. More keycap options.
3. More case options.
4. LED's are better positioned for "normal" backlit keycaps.
5. Programmable.
6. Easier to find nowadays, too.
I got the pure as my first mech keyboard.
And i'd say get a poker 2.The Poker II has a plate and a better layout IMHO. I also think that those keycaps on the Pure had problems with the backlighting (characters wearing off). The Pure also has those weird size keycaps that will cause problems when you want to upgrade the caps.Wow, I didn't know I stepped into pure hate town.
I had this same question before I got my Poker II, couldn't make my mind up between the Poker, Pure, and Choc Mini. After looking at the layouts and upgrade options I went the Poker and never looked back.
I own both and I like my pure better. I use the programming capabilities of my poker II for hardware dvorak. The PBT keycaps on my poker II are very nice.
As far as aftermarket keycap compatability goes, ass you need is a short right shift for the pure. This is included in most keycap sets as a tsangan kit, and you can often split it up with other people who only need the 7x spacebar and 1.5x mods.
It will also fit normal cherry keycaps from most of the G80-18** keyboards.
Since I don't use the right hand modifiers much, I turn those into arrowkeys on the pure, which is a great feature. You can't do this on the pokerII because most of them aren't reprogrammable.
Now it's hard for me to comment on build quality, since I received my pure heavily modified, but it's one of my favourite 60% keyboards.
Differences between Pure and Poker 2:Trade with me, i have nice Poker II for exchange ;D
1. Pure is PCB mount, Poker 2 is plate mounted.
2. Pure has 6 mounting screws, Poker 2 has 5. So Poker 2 board will fit more cases, whereas the Pure needs ones with the extra screw otherwise it gets a bit bendy.
3. Pure Fn layout is different to Poker 2. I prefer the Pure layout, but the Poker 2 has a fully programmable Pn layout, which makes this kind of moot.
4. Pure has a short right shift and an extra 1x key on the shift row. Poker has standard ANSI layout. It's easier to find keycaps for Poker 2, but many sets do have an option for getting a short right shift. A lot of 2nd hand sets WON'T have the short right shift, though, so in truth, there are a lot less sets out there that fit the Pure.
5. The Pure has backlighting, but the switches are mounted "right way round" so the LED's are at the bottom of the switch. Some Poker 2's are backlit, some are not, but you can add LED's to the non-backlit ones to give them backlighting. More importantly, the switches are mounted "upside down" except for the space bar switch, so the LED's are in the correct place for proper backlit keycaps.
I love my Pure, but sometimes think I should have gone with a Poker 2 instead. Problem was that I couldn't find a Poker 2 ANSI locally, only ISO, but I could find a Pure limited edition with ANSI layout, so I got that. I really like the Fn layer and think it is THE best 60% Fn layer out there, but as I said, you can program the Poker 2 to have the same layout on the Pn layer.
The only 3 benefits of the Pure over the Poker 2 that matter, IMHO, are:
1. You can open the switches to mod them more easily due to being PCB rather than plate mount, but it's not much of an advantage since you have to desolder the LED's to do it and it's not THAT much more work to also desolder the switches you want to open.
2. It has both the Esc AND ~` key on the default layer, which is really nice if you work in Linux.
3. You can toggle the right hand modifier keys into an upside down T arrow cluster.
Poker 2 over Pure:
1. Plate mounted feels better IMO.
2. More keycap options.
3. More case options.
4. LED's are better positioned for "normal" backlit keycaps.
5. Programmable.
6. Easier to find nowadays, too.
4. Poker has standard ANSI layout
4. Poker has standard ANSI layout
just so everyone's on the same page, the poker does not have a standard ANSI layout.
4. Poker has standard ANSI layout
just so everyone's on the same page, the poker does not have a standard ANSI layout.
It doesn't?