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Title: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: tinlong117 on Tue, 27 May 2014, 06:29:45
I mean, it's off-topic. Troll posts should be allowed.

edit; I think that mod is a bigger troll than those threads. "Thanks for playing".
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 27 May 2014, 06:44:12
it's still a troll thread
in other words afaik:
this is not a trolling forum so of course they'll be locked, but they're still allowed for a while, if they weren't allowed at all there'd be greater consequences
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 07:03:19
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 May 2014, 07:10:15
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.

While that wouldn't surprise me his profile doesn't show that to be the case however I don't think that info shows up anymore....so it looks like people just disappear. I get it the mods have their reasons for banning people and the general consensus is it isn't anyone's business but there could at least be a 'banned' tag on someones profile if they are banned so we know.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 07:13:20
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.

While that wouldn't surprise me his profile doesn't show that to be the case however I don't think that info shows up anymore....so it looks like people just disappear. I get it the mods have their reasons for banning people and the general consensus is it isn't anyone's business but there could at least be a 'banned' tag on someones profile if they are banned so we know.

x2. MW gave the mods more than enough reasons to ban him, I just want confirmation.

RIP IE6 and Win98.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 27 May 2014, 09:28:43
Because even in off topic the thread has a topic. You can't just join a thread and be like that guy " **** her right in da ****"
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 27 May 2014, 10:36:21
MW is one of my favorites.  I appreciate his ironic humor.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 27 May 2014, 10:49:36
Why were the threads locked in the first place? It would be nice if mods at least posted some reason for why people are banned, threads locked, etc. -- a little more transparency wouldn't hurt.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Malphas on Tue, 27 May 2014, 10:52:25
It looks like it started out with locking "controversial" threads started mainly by MW, after they started to get testy. But then it quickly went out of control and it seemed like any thread discussing politics or social issues was getting near enough immediately locked, even though the conversation with civil enough. Yeah, maybe the threads were started with somewhat disingenuous intent, but the actual posts were fine, and the locking is getting ridiculous, frankly.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 10:55:30
A lot of people have been asking for more transparency.

Something is telling me the mods are conveniently "not reading" said requests...
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:04:03
According to the Terms of Service that we all agree to by way of participating on this forum, you have no rights to your posts/threads being allowed to exist.

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By posting in these forums, you agree to follow any and all directions and/or instructions given by Administrators and Moderators.  Content may be removed and posts can be locked without warning or explanation for material posted that is deemed inappropriate by the Administrators or Moderators.  Threads may also be temporarily locked and reviewed to determine if the thread's contents are inappropriate by Administrators and Moderators.  Finally, GeekHack Administrators and Moderators reserve the right to delete posts that do not violate the TOS in an effort to clean up a thread.  If a member wishes to dispute the actions of a Moderator, please contact another Moderator or an Administrator.  The matter will be reviewed and handled promptly.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:04:22
A lot of people have been asking for more transparency.

Something is telling me the mods are conveniently "not reading" said requests...

Tp4 is like empty space..  100% light transparency... (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/noooo-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862514)


Tp4mod(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/embarrassed1-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862502)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:09:40
Maybe it was the electric chair is back thread?
Discussions regarding a users ban conditions are also against the tos right?

#FreeDemik
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:09:50
Why were the threads locked in the first place? It would be nice if mods at least posted some reason for why people are banned, threads locked, etc. -- a little more transparency wouldn't hurt.

I love most of the mods and mean this in no negative way but the vibe I get is they just don't have time.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: eth0s on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:16:42
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.

While that wouldn't surprise me his profile doesn't show that to be the case however I don't think that info shows up anymore....so it looks like people just disappear. I get it the mods have their reasons for banning people and the general consensus is it isn't anyone's business but there could at least be a 'banned' tag on someones profile if they are banned so we know.

x2. MW gave the mods more than enough reasons to ban him, I just want confirmation.

RIP IE6 and Win98.

MW finally got banned?  Well, I am not shocked.

If your only purpose on this forum is to make troll posts, why are you even here?  MW never added anything positive.  He wasn't funny or controversial.  Just a troll.  Every day.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Malphas on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:18:21
He really was extraordinarily boring.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:24:03
I agree with tin.

Also, what happened to MW? I heard he got banned.

While that wouldn't surprise me his profile doesn't show that to be the case however I don't think that info shows up anymore....so it looks like people just disappear. I get it the mods have their reasons for banning people and the general consensus is it isn't anyone's business but there could at least be a 'banned' tag on someones profile if they are banned so we know.

x2. MW gave the mods more than enough reasons to ban him, I just want confirmation.

RIP IE6 and Win98.

MW finally got banned?  Well, I am not shocked.

If your only purpose on this forum is to make troll posts, why are you even here?  MW never added anything positive.  He wasn't funny or controversial.  Just a troll.  Every day.

You're wrong..   I found his take on the world Hilarious...

His bliss exists in embracing retro machines and living off nostalgia.. 

He's quite the interesting character...


While, I find Eth0s to be primarily whine-y and make complaints about things that don't even affect him...

If Eth0s doesn't like MW's posts,  there's the mute button, press it, and be on your way..


But no....... he's gotta make MW the enemy of GH, and he places himself on this equally imaginary side of Faux-Justice...

Where does it go?


My theory is that he has no friends  like the rest of us Lonely-Driver types,    BUT, unlike us...  He's NOT OK with being a lonely-Driver..   So this bastard actively seeks to create  negative niches for himself to belong to...

Just chill out dude...(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/embarrassed3-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862502)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:30:30
He really was extraordinarily boring.

Maybe if he came up with some better material. After a while all the IE6 and Win98 posts got REALLY old...

And remember what happened last time they banned him? He created a new account, they IP banned him, so he logged on from several different IPs before the admins/mods finally gave up and unbanned him.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:31:42
He really was extraordinarily boring.

Maybe if he came up with some better material. After a while all the IE6 and Win98 posts got REALLY old...

And remember what happened last time they banned him? He created a new account, they IP banned him, so he logged on from several different IPs before the admins/mods finally gave up and unbanned him.

MW,   Hero of GH... Fighting the-Power-that-BE

(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/cheer3-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862495)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: bueller on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:34:28
I could be on my own here but I always found MS' posts to be annoying as hell and added little to nothing to the forum.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:37:21
I could be on my own here but I always found MS' posts to be annoying as hell and added little to nothing to the forum.

yea.. but what's the problem...  hit mute... then... done...

it's not the post themselves that are interesting...   WHY does he do what he does... THAT is quite interesting...(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/falling-asleep-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862504)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:39:16
I could be on my own here but I always found MS' posts to be annoying as hell and added little to nothing to the forum.

I agree, especially when he posted in legitimate threads with absolutely nothing to contribute to it.

In his own threads though, they weren't really hurting anybody... added nothing to the forum, annoying as hell, but not hurting anybody.

Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 27 May 2014, 11:51:49
According to the Terms of Service that we all agree to by way of participating on this forum, you have no rights to your posts/threads being allowed to exist.

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By posting in these forums, you agree to follow any and all directions and/or instructions given by Administrators and Moderators.  Content may be removed and posts can be locked without warning or explanation for material posted that is deemed inappropriate by the Administrators or Moderators.  Threads may also be temporarily locked and reviewed to determine if the thread's contents are inappropriate by Administrators and Moderators.  Finally, GeekHack Administrators and Moderators reserve the right to delete posts that do not violate the TOS in an effort to clean up a thread.  If a member wishes to dispute the actions of a Moderator, please contact another Moderator or an Administrator.  The matter will be reviewed and handled promptly.

Sounds like the definition of tyranny right there.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:08:56
According to the Terms of Service that we all agree to by way of participating on this forum, you have no rights to your posts/threads being allowed to exist.

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By posting in these forums, you agree to follow any and all directions and/or instructions given by Administrators and Moderators.  Content may be removed and posts can be locked without warning or explanation for material posted that is deemed inappropriate by the Administrators or Moderators.  Threads may also be temporarily locked and reviewed to determine if the thread's contents are inappropriate by Administrators and Moderators.  Finally, GeekHack Administrators and Moderators reserve the right to delete posts that do not violate the TOS in an effort to clean up a thread.  If a member wishes to dispute the actions of a Moderator, please contact another Moderator or an Administrator.  The matter will be reviewed and handled promptly.

Sounds like the definition of tyranny right there.

Halp! we're being Oppressed(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/nonono-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862513)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:13:02
Anyone have a domain and/or a server they can host a GH spin-off site on?

After all, SMF is an open-source forum software, we could just make our own, un-moderated forum.

IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME!
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:15:00
gikhćck.org
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:27:39
Anyone have a domain and/or a server they can host a GH spin-off site on?

After all, SMF is an open-source forum software, we could just make our own, un-moderated forum.

IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME!

I find Deskthority rather lightly moderated.  If I want to say something offensive or be offended, I go over there.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:36:12
Anyone have a domain and/or a server they can host a GH spin-off site on?

After all, SMF is an open-source forum software, we could just make our own, un-moderated forum.

IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME!

I find Deskthority rather lightly moderated.  If I want to say something offensive or be offended, I go over there.

Please, give me the chance. If you time it right, I'm sure I can offend you. You must always be waiting for the right time, though, as said offensive material won't be up for long.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: iri on Tue, 27 May 2014, 12:39:57
Anyone have a domain and/or a server they can host a GH spin-off site on?

After all, SMF is an open-source forum software, we could just make our own, un-moderated forum.

IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME!

I find Deskthority rather lightly moderated.  If I want to say something offensive or be offended, I go over there.

Please, give me the chance. If you time it right, I'm sure I can offend you. You must always be waiting for the right time, though, as said offensive material won't be up for long.
it is always a big pleasure to give someone the exact thing they want.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:06:32
The off-topic forum is not a free-for-all.  The forum rules still apply.  The threads that have been locked were very clearly intended to incite argument and drama (i.e., trolling).  MW and the1onewolf have dramatically ramped up the noise recently.  Locking their threads was intended to squelch them a bit, both because the threads were going off the rails and because it's against the rules to spam the forum with garbage.

I went through a ton of off-topic threads last night that were recently posted by MW and the1onewolf, closing some and leaving others (and even posting in some).  This was not a blanket action but has been specifically targeted at particular threads.

MW has been temp-banned, and I'm sure he'll be back.  He's already attempted to create a second account to circumvent the ban, which is also against the rules.  Transparent enough for you?

Remember that (1) we are under-staffed and (2)  the mods are volunteers with lives and family and school and work just like everyone.  Those of you who know me personally through skype or IRC or whatever know that I am always open to discussing this stuff.  This thread is totally valid and TBH I expected someone to post something like it, but frankly we don't have the time or the obligation in general to justify all moderator actions publicly.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:08:34
Why are profiles not showing warning levels anymore?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:13:04
Why are profiles not showing warning levels anymore?

Not sure, I think that may have been a bug to begin with?  Possibly it got removed when we updated the software at some point.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:17:07
Most forums show ban status on the profiles. This is really wierd that smf is not.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:18:08
I agree that a "banned" flag in the avatar would be helpful.  Not sure if that's just how SMF is, or whether we can configure it to do that.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:19:15
Thanks hashbaz
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Malphas on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:31:58
The off-topic forum is not a free-for-all.  The forum rules still apply.  The threads that have been locked were very clearly intended to incite argument and drama (i.e., trolling).  MW and the1onewolf have dramatically ramped up the noise recently.  Locking their threads was intended to squelch them a bit, both because the threads were going off the rails and because it's against the rules to spam the forum with garbage.

I went through a ton of off-topic threads last night that were recently posted by MW and the1onewolf, closing some and leaving others (and even posting in some).  This was not a blanket action but has been specifically targeted at particular threads.

MW has been temp-banned, and I'm sure he'll be back.  He's already attempted to create a second account to circumvent the ban, which is also against the rules.  Transparent enough for you?

Remember that (1) we are under-staffed and (2)  the mods are volunteers with lives and family and school and work just like everyone.  Those of you who know me personally through skype or IRC or whatever know that I am always open to discussing this stuff.  This thread is totally valid and TBH I expected someone to post something like it, but frankly we don't have the time or the obligation in general to justify all moderator actions publicly.

I'm not really that bothered by the whole locking threads thing, or feel the moderators really have to justify themselves with things like that, but I do think it was poor judgement and killjoy behavior, to be honest.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:37:30
I'd disagree with poor judgment and killjoy.  They were flooding the sub-forum with pointless or controversial spam to get a rise out of people.  Personally, I'm amazed they allowed it to go on for as long as they did.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:39:10
Nubbs gets it.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 27 May 2014, 13:59:42
Sounds like the definition of tyranny right there.

Agreed -- but it's supposed to be a benevolent dictatorship! If GH were run like a democracy, we wouldn't last very long. And I think GH largely is a benevolent dictatorship, but it wouldn't hurt to build something into the forum that makes mod decisions and rulings visible. Because when they're not visible, then that void gets filled up with paranoia: mysterious thread lockings, vanishing forum members, etc.

How hard would it be to make moderator actions automatically log to a forum someplace? Then when someone gets banned, we know the who, when and why. (checks log) Demik's been banned again? Why? Oh, he told X to put what where? -- ok, wow, now I see why. And we can get on with our lives. I'd even go so far as a system that issues warnings/demerits -- and also logs it for all to see. Then mods have something between (do nothing) and (launch nukes - ban and/or lock thread). Poke the tiger, it snarls, poke it again, it snarls again, poke it again and THEN you get mauled. We have great members, some of them just need to be properly domesticated.  :thumb: Not broken, just domesticated, taught to use their inside voices, etc.

SMF 2.0 may already have a warning/infraction system (http://smfhelp.org/index.php?page=Enabling-and-Using-the-Warning-System) in place already, we may just have to enable it. It even has a feature that allows the warning level to automatically decrement over time. How about using that system?

I never had a problem with MW's off-topic posts. If it was on a topic I didn't care to comment on, I passed it by. If the topic were about the intracies of MX-compatible switch terminology, and he would come flying in with an advertisement for Win98, it just made me laugh; I didn't really find it bothersome -- akin to someone streaking through a sporting event. It made me imagine some guy for whom the year 2000 just never arrived. Is it disruptive? Sure, but in a good way.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:02:03
I take it you've never been warned? That system is already in place.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:03:35
I take it you've never been warned? That system is already in place.

I've never been warned, no. Hopefully, never.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:06:19
So, when a person is warned, there is a section in that person's profile saying as much. Only the person (as well as moderators, of course) can see the reason for the warning, but everyone else can see the percentage. If you're 60%+ in warning, you're muted until you drop to 55%. You drop at a rate of 5% per 24 hours.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:07:57
Also, you can be temporarily banned without the warning system being touched, thus some people seem to disappear even without their profile reflecting that.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:10:09
Also, you can be temporarily banned without the warning system being touched, thus some people seem to disappear even without their profile reflecting that.

Like demik.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:10:46
Demik has been warned and muted many times, as has MW.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:11:55
I mean that it doesn't show warning level on his profile.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:12:09
I'm not saying these people have never been warned. I'm saying that it's possible for someone to be temp-banned and not have any warning status.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:13:55
I'd disagree with poor judgment and killjoy.  They were flooding the sub-forum with pointless or controversial spam to get a rise out of people.  Personally, I'm amazed they allowed it to go on for as long as they did.


I guess that I am in the minority, but I find such childish nonsense to be very entertaining.  I love a good poking of the bear.  Oblivious, humorless people that fall for the nonsense and cannot identify the troll are the real problem.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:16:13
I'm not saying these people have never been warned. I'm saying that it's possible for someone to be temp-banned and not have any warning status.

Ah, got it.

I guess that I am in the minority, but I find such childish nonsense to be very entertaining.  I love a good poking of the bear.  Oblivious, humorless people that fall for the nonsense and cannot identify the troll are the real problem.

I agree in general.  This was my view of MW for a long time.  But if you look through his post history you'll see he is clearly escalating and has been spamming OT with threads recently.  It's only good fun up to a point.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:21:47

I guess that I am in the minority, but I find such childish nonsense to be very entertaining.  I love a good poking of the bear.  Oblivious, humorless people that fall for the nonsense and cannot identify the troll are the real problem.

I don't mind it in moderation.  In fact, I'd say it's necessary sometimes; however, they were flooding.  That will get you banned almost anywhere. 

If you're going to troll, do one good troll instead of 50 ****ty ones, especially if they're all in the span of two days.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:24:16
Thanks for the info hashbaz, your posts cleared things up a bit.

#favoritemodstatus
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: vivalarevolución on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:25:21

I guess that I am in the minority, but I find such childish nonsense to be very entertaining.  I love a good poking of the bear.  Oblivious, humorless people that fall for the nonsense and cannot identify the troll are the real problem.

I don't mind it in moderation.  In fact, I'd say it's necessary sometimes; however, they were flooding.  That will get you banned almost anywhere. 

If you're going to troll, do one good troll instead of 50 ****ty ones, especially if they're all in the span of two days.


Fine point.  A good troll shall never get identified as a troll.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Malphas on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:25:23
I'd disagree with poor judgment and killjoy.  They were flooding the sub-forum with pointless or controversial spam to get a rise out of people.  Personally, I'm amazed they allowed it to go on for as long as they did.

I'd disagree with poor judgment and killjoy.  They were flooding the sub-forum with pointless or controversial spam to get a rise out of people.  Personally, I'm amazed they allowed it to go on for as long as they did.

Nah, I get that, but it wasn't working. A few suckers went for it, wading in with "omg stop making these dumb threads" comments, but for the most part no-one took the bait and some people actually discussed the subject in earnest, regardless of the motivation the OP had making the thread (which was actually funny).

Regardless, the threads weren't actually disruptive and are clearly labelled, including the poster, so they're easy to ignore. The off-topic forum in general is fairly slow anyway so they broke up the monotony a bit, more than anything.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: lightsout714 on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:34:21
I'd disagree with poor judgment and killjoy.  They were flooding the sub-forum with pointless or controversial spam to get a rise out of people.  Personally, I'm amazed they allowed it to go on for as long as they did.

I noticed some of those threads and stayed away as I knew it was just going to be an argument.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:35:34
we are lucky we even have a off topic area.
A large percentage of the threads in OT are garbage that get locked and waste the mods time.
They have better ways to spend there time then policing the off topic threads.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:46:13
I'd disagree with poor judgment and killjoy.  They were flooding the sub-forum with pointless or controversial spam to get a rise out of people.  Personally, I'm amazed they allowed it to go on for as long as they did.

Nah, I get that, but it wasn't working. A few suckers went for it, wading in with "omg stop making these dumb threads" comments, but for the most part no-one took the bait and some people actually discussed the subject in earnest, regardless of the motivation the OP had making the thread (which was actually funny).

Regardless, the threads weren't actually disruptive and are clearly labelled, including the poster, so they're easy to ignore. The off-topic forum in general is fairly slow anyway so they broke up the monotony a bit, more than anything.

Well said, sir.

I'm just glad the 3 WORD STORY THREAD wasn't locked...
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Malphas on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:51:14
we are lucky we even have a off topic area.
A large percentage of the threads in OT are garbage that get locked and waste the mods time.
They have better ways to spend there time then policing the off topic threads.

But they don't need policing... We're all adults, I'm sure we can decide for ourselves what threads are and aren't worth taking part in.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:52:18
"we're all adults"
lol right
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:52:55
.... We're all adults....

Actually, no. There are children that are forum members, and plenty who access the forum as guests.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:56:16
Do you mean children or teenagers
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Malphas on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:56:53
Well if you're going to take me overly-literally, then I'll rephrase that as we're all self-aware human beings capable of rational thought that don't need babysitting or other people to decide what topics of conversation we take part in, then.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: jwaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 14:57:00
Do you mean children or teenagers

They sure don't seem to be mutually exclusive...
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:00:17
I agree that a "banned" flag in the avatar would be helpful.  Not sure if that's just how SMF is, or whether we can configure it to do that.

If it can show muted and have custom texts, I don't see how a banned flag isn't possible.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: jwaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:01:04
I agree that a "banned" flag in the avatar would be helpful.  Not sure if that's just how SMF is, or whether we can configure it to do that.

If it can show muted and have custom texts, I don't see how a banned flag isn't possible.

It isn't impossible at all, code changes are just difficult at the moment.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:01:05
Well if you're going to take me overly-literally, then I'll rephrase that as we're all self-aware human beings capable of rational thought that don't need babysitting or other people to decide what topics of conversation we take part in, then.

I'm not sure that can be assumed, either.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:01:41
We're all humans
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:03:18
We're all humans

It's possible that's a true statement. Are we 100% certain there are no artificial intelligences browsing GH?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:03:42
We're all humans

ARE WE NOW???

(jk, I'm half human)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:04:12
We're all humans

It's possible that's a true statement. Are we 100% certain there are no artificial intelligences browsing GH?

So far no bots that I see
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:05:35
Nah, I get that, but it wasn't working. A few suckers went for it, wading in with "omg stop making these dumb threads" comments, but for the most part no-one took the bait and some people actually discussed the subject in earnest, regardless of the motivation the OP had making the thread (which was actually funny).

Regardless, the threads weren't actually disruptive and are clearly labelled, including the poster, so they're easy to ignore. The off-topic forum in general is fairly slow anyway so they broke up the monotony a bit, more than anything.

Again, I agree in general.  Under this doctrine we let a lot of stuff go that could probably be justifiably locked/removed.  But in this particular instance, MW had been flooding the OT forum with troll threads.  That's a terrible precedent to allow and I think it overrides the more casual stance to him that I usually try to take given his age on the forum and long history of amusing Windows propaganda.  I left some threads alone that seemed to be having legit conversation despite MW's intent, but many had become arguments as intended.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:10:44
We're all humans

It's possible that's a true statement. Are we 100% certain there are no artificial intelligences browsing GH?

So far no bots that I see

Just what a bot would say!
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Pacifist on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:11:15
If MW kept all his posts either keyboard or windows related, it would have been fine and dandy. Like his mousepad IC, that was pretty amusing. But the generic trolling threads are just crap and aren't even amusing
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 27 May 2014, 15:15:09
This went exactly where I expected.

I vote against troll threads. There's a difference between trolling and being off topic.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: kishy on Tue, 27 May 2014, 16:01:40
Late to the party, but hey...I showed up.

Maybe if he came up with some better material. After a while all the IE6 and Win98 posts got REALLY old...

And remember what happened last time they banned him? He created a new account, they IP banned him, so he logged on from several different IPs before the admins/mods finally gave up and unbanned him.

It's easy to see how users who weren't active participants for 3, 4, 5 years or more could appreciate and see some degree of novelty in his posts. The issue is that it wears off quickly, and in the context of GH as a community there is nothing new about it.

And yes, those of us who remember John Deer (sic), as in Deer power supplies, all share a special but meaningless part of GH history.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: strict on Tue, 27 May 2014, 16:35:30
The off-topic forum is not a free-for-all.  The forum rules still apply.  The threads that have been locked were very clearly intended to incite argument and drama (i.e., trolling).  MW and the1onewolf have dramatically ramped up the noise recently.  Locking their threads was intended to squelch them a bit, both because the threads were going off the rails and because it's against the rules to spam the forum with garbage.

I went through a ton of off-topic threads last night that were recently posted by MW and the1onewolf, closing some and leaving others (and even posting in some).  This was not a blanket action but has been specifically targeted at particular threads.

MW has been temp-banned, and I'm sure he'll be back.  He's already attempted to create a second account to circumvent the ban, which is also against the rules.  Transparent enough for you?

Remember that (1) we are under-staffed and (2)  the mods are volunteers with lives and family and school and work just like everyone.  Those of you who know me personally through skype or IRC or whatever know that I am always open to discussing this stuff.  This thread is totally valid and TBH I expected someone to post something like it, but frankly we don't have the time or the obligation in general to justify all moderator actions publicly.

The only issue I ever had with either of them was the1onewolf's signature trainwreck. His signature annoyed me badly enough I would have turned down free clacks/bros from him just on principle  :))

I noticed some of those threads and stayed away as I knew it was just going to be an argument.

This is pretty much 100% true for me, almost all of the posts in question were clearly troll topics/posts that would have been lame even if they were legit so I never even open the majority of them. A few topics weren't bad, like the internet data/speed posts but they were more of an exception.

FWIW, I think removing the topics/user was the right move. They were lame as **** and I think we're better off not having that garbage clog up the forum, including the off-topic area.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 27 May 2014, 16:40:07


Maybe you're just too strict. :P
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 27 May 2014, 17:30:16
[...] and because it's against the rules to spam the forum with garbage.

Uh-oh :eek:
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: strict on Tue, 27 May 2014, 18:10:11
Maybe you're just too strict. :P

(http://i.imgur.com/GUCKiS8.png?1)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 27 May 2014, 18:13:34
Mods should just steer clear of Off Topic altogether.

This is not your land, begone foul beasts of repression!

wonder how long till this topic gets locked.....
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Tue, 27 May 2014, 18:53:18
wonder how long till this topic gets locked.....

I've been responding here all day, so I'm gonna say ... a long time?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: dante on Tue, 27 May 2014, 22:01:12
(http://i.imgur.com/PTIRpzk.gif)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: tinlong117 on Wed, 28 May 2014, 00:05:23
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/PTIRpzk.gif)


(http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/62/6222/OC13100Z/posters/prisma-archivo-dante-alighieri-1265-1321-italian-poet-by-pannemaker.jpg)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Lu_e on Wed, 28 May 2014, 00:09:22
As much as I feel this place can feel over-moderated at times, I guess it's better than under-moderated.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 28 May 2014, 00:10:59
(http://i.imgur.com/PTIRpzk.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/PTIRpzk.gif)

Never do that again.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: tinlong117 on Wed, 28 May 2014, 00:12:54
(http://i.imgur.com/PTIRpzk.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/PTIRpzk.gif)

Never do that again.
(http://imghumour.com/assets/Uploads/Game-Over-Thanks-For-Playing.jpg)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 28 May 2014, 08:36:54
Sometimes I miss the way the forum was when I joined a few years ago. There was no real moderation. Sure often threads were derailed with wildly off topic remarks and random animated gifs and lego pictures... and there were a few quite bad flame wars, but it was fun. It felt like how I remembered the internet being in the late 80's/early 90's, a no holds barred frontier. Back when I joined the forum felt like... an illegal rave at an open all night donut shop. Now days I often think it feels more like an office party. It's still a lot of the same people but acting 'growed up'.
I think the real problem is not people being silly, posting worthless content... but that there are too many thin skinned cry babys that take things too seriously. Personally I don't see the need for moderator intervention in many cases. Sure, if people are being wholly vicious to the point where it is a serious disruption there should be some words/action taken but that is generally few and far between as most members aren't that way.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Malphas on Wed, 28 May 2014, 10:50:05
Yeah, skins here have definitely gotten a lot thinner compared to a few years ago.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: dante on Wed, 28 May 2014, 11:42:05
Sorry if my animated graphic offended anyone (OTOH - if it offended why did you not delete it?)

I'll try to keep it G rated.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 28 May 2014, 11:44:12
Sorry if my animated graphic offended anyone (OTOH - if it offended why did you not delete it?)

I'll try to keep it G rated.

That GIF was equal parts hilarious and disturbing, but not offensive IMO.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 28 May 2014, 12:04:50
Sorry if my animated graphic offended anyone (OTOH - if it offended why did you not delete it?)

I'll try to keep it G rated.

Not morally offended, just visually.   :confused:
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 28 May 2014, 12:06:05
You had me scared for a second there hashy... thought you were gonna lock this thread too...
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: hashbaz on Wed, 28 May 2014, 12:07:02
Sometimes I miss the way the forum was when I joined a few years ago. There was no real moderation. Sure often threads were derailed with wildly off topic remarks and random animated gifs and lego pictures... and there were a few quite bad flame wars, but it was fun. It felt like how I remembered the internet being in the late 80's/early 90's, a no holds barred frontier. Back when I joined the forum felt like... an illegal rave at an open all night donut shop. Now days I often think it feels more like an office party. It's still a lot of the same people but acting 'growed up'.
I think the real problem is not people being silly, posting worthless content... but that there are too many thin skinned cry babys that take things too seriously. Personally I don't see the need for moderator intervention in many cases. Sure, if people are being wholly vicious to the point where it is a serious disruption there should be some words/action taken but that is generally few and far between as most members aren't that way.

The amount of moderation we do is actually shockingly small compared to the size of the forum.  We've been dealing with thread derailment and spam because it's a much bigger problem than it was in the old days.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 28 May 2014, 12:14:21
But can't a forum evolve? Change from just being about keyboards, and become something more? A community of people, rather than a place that has nothing but keyboard information peppered in random time?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 28 May 2014, 12:17:36
But can't a forum evolve? Change from just being about keyboards, and become something more? A community of people, rather than a place that has nothing but keyboard information peppered in random time?

While GH has never been a home for me, I have to say; the forums that I've really been a core member of are those that evolve past there original topic and intention.
But those have been much smaller forums.

I'm not sure if it could work but maybe running a no hold bars (bar porn ofc) general chat thread in the OT section might be a nice way for people to banter, argue, troll etc etc in one place without filling OT with nonsense threads that just end up getting closed?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Wed, 28 May 2014, 12:20:22
GH18+ subforum pls

unmoderated
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 28 May 2014, 12:23:07
21+, I would suggest. Though it's impossible to verify age online, so in reality, anyone could come in...
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 28 May 2014, 12:28:31
21+, I would suggest. Though it's impossible to verify age online, so in reality, anyone could come in...
apart if ur a haxor
but they're ****ing losers
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 28 May 2014, 12:29:21
21+, I would suggest. Though it's impossible to verify age online, so in reality, anyone could come in...

+13 becasue its legal in japan looooooooooooooooooooool
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:19:19
I don't know... maybe I just don't notice it or something or you moderator guys move fast to delete? But I don't really notice a high amount of spam/derailment. It's certainly much less than it was 3 years ago. But most of those worst offenders from back then are not around anymore whether from being banned or just leaving on their own. I guess I would just maybe do things different like move/merge all that stuff into a thread like 'so and so's random observations' instead of delete/lock stuff.
As far as time waste threads... maybe bringing back first post preview on title hover (can SMF even do that?) might help curb some anger against people that like to make silly threads? Then if you haven't even opened the thread perhaps people won't feel obliged to comment at all? As we all know, the best way to beat a troll is not to respond at all. Generally if people don't feed their behavior they get bored and stop... eventually.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:20:43
21+, I would suggest. Though it's impossible to verify age online, so in reality, anyone could come in...

+13 becasue its legal in japan looooooooooooooooooooool
wait what

13 year olds can do the sex in the japanimes?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: strict on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:23:49
GH18+ subforum pls

unmoderated

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Andy-Dwyer-Saying-Great-Idea.gif)
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: iri on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:40:21
nah, i just solved the problem radically.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Malphas on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:43:34
I like your avatar, iri.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: iri on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:45:26
i like yours as well. was one of my favourite cartoon films as a kid.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:49:08
i'm surprised i haven't showed up on any posted ignore lists
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Malphas on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:50:25
tp4tissue allegedly put me on his years ago, but he still responds to my posts somehow.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:51:57
i'm surprised i haven't showed up on any posted ignore lists

I think I'm on a few from back when me and moose had a falling out... but that was a while ago so ive no idea if people still do
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:54:14
tp4tissue allegedly put me on his years ago, but he still responds to my posts somehow.
you can do the show posts thing and reply
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: iri on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:56:53
i'm surprised i haven't showed up on any posted ignore lists
your signature is annoying. seriously.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 28 May 2014, 13:57:36
i'm surprised i haven't showed up on any posted ignore lists
your signature is annoying. seriously.
it was intended as a joke for one night, i'm going to remove it
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:22:58
because of the1onewolf's signature I had to turn off display of all signatures. It slows down mobile browsers way to much.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Lu_e on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:29:20
^ hmm maybe I will do that. **** that guys signature is annoying. Should limit gifs in sigs to 1 or 2

scratch that, ill just ignore him
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:31:56
^ hmm maybe I will do that. **** that guys signature is annoying. Should limit gifs in sigs to 1 or 2

I could've swore we were limited to one image in signatures. What happened to that?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:32:33
^ hmm maybe I will do that. **** that guys signature is annoying. Should limit gifs in sigs to 1 or 2

I could've swore we were limited to one image in signatures. What happened to that?
what the **** do you think when you can suddenly have more than one
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:34:05
What the **** do I think? WHAT THE **** DO I THINK!? Who gives a **** what the **** I think? I want to know the ****ing answer. I had my signature ripped from my hands when rules were changed. And if they're all of a sudden null, then I want to know why the **** that happened? Is that o-****ing-kay with you, huh?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:35:55
excuse me? check your gren sennelling!
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:37:18
Yeah, excuse you. You're damn right excuse you. I'll check whatever the **** I want to check. You better check you before I do.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:37:42
I remember exactly what esoomenona is talking about :(
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: C5Allroad on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:38:34
because of the1onewolf's signature I had to turn off display of all signatures. It slows down mobile browsers way to much.
I've never had a reason to do that. But their sigs made annoying, and since on android, all of GH is magnified( I made a thread asking about this lol) their sigs were enlarged and lagged lol.

Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:39:27
does my sig cause people performance issues?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:43:11
I have a note3 and it is great until scrolling buy 6 animated gifs in a signature.

and baldgye no yours is fine from what I can tell.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: esoomenona on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:44:09
Also, to be clear, I'm not angry or upset at all. I just decided to respond to paicrai in the fashion I did. In fact, I don't even care about the signatures really.

But, in regard to what HUNTERANGEL121 said about the magnification on Android: on my Galaxy Nexus, this never happened to me. But on my new S5, I notice that some posts are larger than others. Very weird.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: Lu_e on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:44:44
does my sig cause people performance issues?

that image is 11kb so I kinda doubt it, but I can't say for sure. I can say that I don't find it annoying
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:45:12
and baldgye no yours is fine from what I can tell.

Ok :) if its causing problems (other than people not liking it lol) pm me or something and I'll change it to a flat image or something. It's only a placeholder till I can find a better Snatcher logo anyway
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:46:45
Also, to be clear, I'm not angry or upset at all. I just decided to respond to paicrai in the fashion I did. In fact, I don't even care about the signatures really.
good moose  :thumb:
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: C5Allroad on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:47:14
and baldgye no yours is fine from what I can tell.

Ok :) if its causing problems (other than people not liking it lol) pm me or something and I'll change it to a flat image or something. It's only a placeholder till I can find a better Snatcher logo anyway
It's in the corner. It's not a wall of animations. Not distracting at all lol.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: domoaligato on Wed, 28 May 2014, 16:52:05
I think the difference is that your pics are hosted at imgur and re-sized perfectly.

his were hosted at some site in asia (now at imgur) and his are not re-sized to a size that fits in the signature block. the site trys to autoresize them but doesn't do a very good job.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: rknize on Wed, 28 May 2014, 23:57:16
There are no restrictions on how many pics you can put in your sig and the character limit is set very high.  What is limited is the amount of vertical space that you are allowed to consume on people's screens.  This all played out over a year ago:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42976.msg873365#msg873365

Current limit is 120 pixels.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: eth0s on Thu, 29 May 2014, 01:17:00
There are no restrictions on how many pics you can put in your sig and the character limit is set very high.  What is limited is the amount of vertical space that you are allowed to consume on people's screens.  This all played out over a year ago:

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42976.msg873365#msg873365

Current limit is 120 pixels.

oh man, my sig I want is 121 pixels.
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: iri on Thu, 29 May 2014, 01:40:28
But on my new S5, I notice that some posts are larger than others.
in chrome, i guess?
Title: Re: why does a mod always lock threads in off-topic?
Post by: tbc on Thu, 29 May 2014, 02:24:50
also in firefox