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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: kmiller8 on Mon, 02 June 2014, 18:55:56
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This is my personal experience, and your results probably won't vary.
Step 1. Don't pick a stupid major.
Step 2. Graduate in engineering.
Step 3. Turn down job offers because you have so many.
This guide brought to you by the letter S.
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inb4 ****storm
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sounds about right
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Glad to know you're doing well for yourself. Reject all the jobs that won't allow you to bring your own keyboard.
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How do you reject offers that are non-existent?
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How do you reject offers that are non-existent?
didn't you hear? he had so many :p
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How do you reject offers that are non-existent?
didn't you hear? he had so many :p
A shame he can't share them around.
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But he picked a wrong major!
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A job where I have to sit down all day? lol no thanks.
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After graduating from college with science and engineering qualifications in 1982, I knocked on doors and gave my CV before the company even advertised for vacancies.I even offered to work free for a week on probation...can`t say fairer than that.
I got hundreds of rejections...it only made me more stubborn and single-minded to get the job I wanted.
I got a commission only sales job and had to relocate 200 miles from home...but I did it; it is possible but you have to have dogged determination, self belief and confidence...all virtues that can be improved upon by reading on-line books and going to specialist forums.
I know it`s harder these days but there`s the net to research things which didn`t really exist 34 years ago.
I would join forums specialising in similar skill-sets to myself and get my CV on as many job sites as possible.
Find your USP...your unique selling point and emphasise your pros and say you are actively working to improve your cons which is refreshing honesty and will be appreciated by any manager worth his salt.
If you can prove to a potential employer that you have been learning on-line or doing voluntary work in your particular field at least it shows that you`ve applied yourself and will give you a better chance of success.
Find a potential business partner or venture capitalist firm and go self-employed.
I got a grant to start my carpet-cleaning business in 1986 from the Princes Trust.
Set up a free business bank account, did spreadsheets, feasibility studies and sales projections, got in with the masons, the Federation of Small businesses and the Local Chamber of Commerce.
Whilst I was doing that I had a gardening job...pushing a petrol lawnmower on the road for 15-20 miles and working from 5am to 10pm in the Summer.
I had no phone and no car and I still managed to do it, I got big contracts with the aid of a cheap paper notebook and being affable, approachable, reasonable and easy-going helped immensely.I was using public telephone call boxes to communicate to confirm appointments etc...I had no excuses.
I walked miles to affluent areas to get better jobs with a heavy 30 year old 12" cylinder ATCO lawnmower; I bought it in the local ads paper for £50.
The loud racket the roller made on the road was bleedin hilarious and that was when the engine was off LOL!
I was on more than my step father and he worked for the Parks and Recreation Department of our local council for 20 years.
I was doing gardens that nobody else would tackle...total jungles and forests...I never turned any work down and gradually my reputation and my diary grew and filled up.
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But he picked a wrong major!
mesopotamian literature
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But he picked a wrong major!
mesopotamian literature
Lol hwood34 - If you`re niche is too esoteric; you`re doomed.
I`ve had to retrain many times to change careers.
I know so many people with humanities degrees and they are struggling to gain employment.
I think students go for them because they are much easier to learn than the sciences and engineering.
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But he picked a wrong major!
mesopotamian literature
Lol hwood34 - If you`re niche is too esoteric; you`re doomed.
I`ve had to retrain many times to change careers.
I know so many people with humanities degrees and they are struggling to gain employment.
I think students go for them because they are much easier to learn than the sciences and engineering.
get a philosophy degree, so you can ask people why they want fries with that
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Today is not "more difficult" to find a job. I literally applied to 6 places, got 3 second interviews, and two job offers.
It's all about location. sure if you go live somewhere popular where there is competition you won't find ****, but there are tons of cheaper places to live with way more jobs than where people like to live.
At the end of the day it comes down to pride... Live in sunny, beautiful california, or make more than minimum wage. It's that simple. people who ***** about not finding jobs either 1. really are terrible people who employers really don't want, or 2. aren't willing to make sacrifices in their immediate life to prosper in the future. To say "I can't find a job" really means "I don't want to work at a certain job because I'm too entitled and proud, and instead will go complain at other people instead of making changes or sacrifices in my life."
But then again, what do I know, I'm just some entitled little white kid living with his parents to save up and buy a house before he's 22.
btw, my college GPA was only a 3.0, so yeah, if you have like a 2.5 in engineering, gg no re, go work at mcdonalds or some ****.
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btw, my college GPA was only a 3.0, so yeah, if you have like a 2.5 in engineering, gg no re, go work at mcdonalds or some ****.
I rarely hear about potential employers checking GPA. It's such an arbitrary number, like asking what you hire's IQ is. Usually they just care if you have that little piece of paper saying you finished something, unless you really impress them in the interview.
It's easier for concrete jobs like programming and such where soft skills and communication aren't really a priority because they can just assume you graduated so you already have active knowledge of something/skill that doesn't change rapidly.
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WTF it took me 6 years to find a decent job after getting an engineering degree.
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I'm 17 and what is this
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If anyone is seeking employment, come to Odessa/Midland in Texas. There are many jobs to be found here. Almost every opportunity is here in the oil and natural gas industries. The money is good, while this boom lasts. :)
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But then again, what do I know, I'm just some entitled little white kid living with his parents to save up and buy a house before he's 22.
That sucks. Not everyone wants to buy a house before they're 22. Lots of people, including me would rather save that money to travel and see the world. You're only young once, why settle down in one place so early.
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But then again, what do I know, I'm just some entitled little white kid living with his parents to save up and buy a house before he's 22.
That sucks. Not everyone wants to buy a house before they're 22. Lots of people, including me would rather save that money to travel and see the world. You're only young once, why settle down in one place so early.
What's this buy a house before they're 22?
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If it's just a house you're after, that's pretty easy now a days. Buddy of mine bought a foreclosed ranch home just outside of Boulder, CO for 16k. That's less than his car's worth :P
Personally I'd much rather rent. Being tied to one location when you're out of work is a bad idea.
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If anyone is seeking employment, come to Odessa/Midland in Texas. There are many jobs to be found here. Almost every opportunity is here in the oil and natural gas industries. The money is good, while this boom lasts. :)
Don't tempt me JD. Maybe I need to trade one fossil fuel for another.
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Wrong. What you do is time perfectly finishing your degree in some uber obscure but still relevant field right at the time the last person that completed it dies. You will be like so in demand.
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you guys have to think exponentially..
the value of your mastery whatever the subject rises exponentially..
There are masters of Bull Semen for example.. and they're highly in demand jobs.. because it's tough to find someone who knows so much about it...
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A job where I have to sit down all day? lol no thanks.
Do you think that all engineers sit down all day? :))
btw, my college GPA was only a 3.0, so yeah, if you have like a 2.5 in engineering, gg no re, go work at mcdonalds or some ****.
I rarely hear about potential employers checking GPA. It's such an arbitrary number, like asking what you hire's IQ is. Usually they just care if you have that little piece of paper saying you finished something, unless you really impress them in the interview.
It's easier for concrete jobs like programming and such where soft skills and communication aren't really a priority because they can just assume you graduated so you already have active knowledge of something/skill that doesn't change rapidly.
In my field most jobs have a cut off of 3.0. If you're below that they don't even look at your resume. After you make it past that, they look at work experience - if you have none in the field you're tossed out. Then they get to the real part of actually looking at the resume.
That said, it's actually pretty easy to get a job in the industry, it just might not be in your dream location or at your dream company.
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Renting is incredibly stupid. Why pay the same amount to NOT own something instead of building equity into something that is growing in value year over year?
Besides, I don't have any desire to travel right now, I spent the first 18 year of my life doing that, I just want something I can say is mine. I want to be locked down somewhere, besides I'm probably going to stay here for the next 4 years to get my PE before even thinking about moving to another company.
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another LPT:
"How to get college for 100% free"
Graduate High-school in Louisiana with a 3.8+ GPA and don't drop below a 3.0 throughout college
This tip brought to you by the letter F.
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It's all about location
oh yes. i graduated in moscow. after i started to look for work after graduation, my phone was exploding from calls for a week.
"How to get college for 100% free in 'Murica"
FTFY
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engineering is soooo boring though.
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engineering is soooo boring though.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on this. I've never heard someone say engineering is boring. :eek:
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engineering is soooo boring though.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on this. I've never heard someone say engineering is boring. :eek:
The concept is interesting to me - using your knowledge to create new products/programs/etc.
The actual education in physics, chemistry, programming, math is just incredibly boring to me. I'm terrible at it because I can't be motivated to study or learn properly. I actually like math to an extent as well, but it just ain't my thang. Kudos to all who find enjoyment and are smart enough to thrive in engineering courses, but I can't handle dat ****.
I'm an economics major (coursework is highly irrelevant to any business-related job unfortunately) with a business minor. My university doesn't offer business majors, so this is the closest I could get. Not really sure what I want to do with my major yet, still in school and in the process of trying internships and seeing what I like.
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engineering is soooo boring though.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on this. I've never heard someone say engineering is boring. :eek:
The concept is interesting to me - using your knowledge to create new products/programs/etc.
The actual education in physics, chemistry, programming, math is just incredibly boring to me. I'm terrible at it because I can't be motivated to study or learn properly. I actually like math to an extent as well, but it just ain't my thang. Kudos to all who find enjoyment and are smart enough to thrive in engineering courses, but I can't handle dat ****.
I'm an economics major (coursework is highly irrelevant to any business-related job unfortunately) with a business minor. My university doesn't offer business majors, so this is the closest I could get. Not really sure what I want to do with my major yet, still in school and in the process of trying internships and seeing what I like.
My father got his masters in engineering from RPI. He worked as an engineer for 2 years before leaving it to become a freelance writer. He said it was the most unhappy two years of his life, so guess it's not for everyone.
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Tomorrow mark my 18 years of employment, ah I wish I am young and innocent like you all!
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engineering is soooo boring though.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on this. I've never heard someone say engineering is boring. :eek:
The concept is interesting to me - using your knowledge to create new products/programs/etc.
The actual education in physics, chemistry, programming, math is just incredibly boring to me. I'm terrible at it because I can't be motivated to study or learn properly. I actually like math to an extent as well, but it just ain't my thang. Kudos to all who find enjoyment and are smart enough to thrive in engineering courses, but I can't handle dat ****.
I'm an economics major (coursework is highly irrelevant to any business-related job unfortunately) with a business minor. My university doesn't offer business majors, so this is the closest I could get. Not really sure what I want to do with my major yet, still in school and in the process of trying internships and seeing what I like.
My father got his masters in engineering from RPI. He worked as an engineer for 2 years before leaving it to become a freelance writer. He said it was the most unhappy two years of his life, so guess it's not for everyone.
I feel like working in general will just make me unhappy.
my dream career: housewife.
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engineering is soooo boring though.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on this. I've never heard someone say engineering is boring. :eek:
The concept is interesting to me - using your knowledge to create new products/programs/etc.
The actual education in physics, chemistry, programming, math is just incredibly boring to me. I'm terrible at it because I can't be motivated to study or learn properly. I actually like math to an extent as well, but it just ain't my thang. Kudos to all who find enjoyment and are smart enough to thrive in engineering courses, but I can't handle dat ****.
I'm an economics major (coursework is highly irrelevant to any business-related job unfortunately) with a business minor. My university doesn't offer business majors, so this is the closest I could get. Not really sure what I want to do with my major yet, still in school and in the process of trying internships and seeing what I like.
My father got his masters in engineering from RPI. He worked as an engineer for 2 years before leaving it to become a freelance writer. He said it was the most unhappy two years of his life, so guess it's not for everyone.
my dream career: housewife.
my dream career: housecat :D
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Regardless of what you guys say I love coming up with ideas and trying to figure out how to the best quality product from raw materials. I worked the restaurant jobs after high school and wasn't ready to grow up yet. That changed when I joined the Navy as an aviation structural mechanic. After I got out I started working as a millwright apprentice (http://wwwunionmillwrightcom.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-hell-is-millwright.html). While I have a GED (lack of english and social studies credits in high school) I passed the apprenticeship courses with flying colors. Only had one test each year with less than an 90%. I was also the only person in my class to get 100% on the entrance test and the first year math test.
Currently working through my no compete agreement and planning on getting a job at one of the local John Deere plants doing maint work. With that I will be joining a college for a degree in engineering. This was my plan from when I was in the service. Work in the field turning wrenches before I get a degree and work on the other side of the prints. To date I have only had the privilege of working with an engineer that had a good amount of time in the field before going to college. He was the best engineer I have ever had the pleasure of working with. To bad he worked for a company that treats their blue collar employees like total dog ****.
/end rant
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wtf kmiller
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engineering is soooo boring though.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on this. I've never heard someone say engineering is boring. :eek:
The concept is interesting to me - using your knowledge to create new products/programs/etc.
The actual education in physics, chemistry, programming, math is just incredibly boring to me. I'm terrible at it because I can't be motivated to study or learn properly. I actually like math to an extent as well, but it just ain't my thang. Kudos to all who find enjoyment and are smart enough to thrive in engineering courses, but I can't handle dat ****.
I'm an economics major (coursework is highly irrelevant to any business-related job unfortunately) with a business minor. My university doesn't offer business majors, so this is the closest I could get. Not really sure what I want to do with my major yet, still in school and in the process of trying internships and seeing what I like.
My father got his masters in engineering from RPI. He worked as an engineer for 2 years before leaving it to become a freelance writer. He said it was the most unhappy two years of his life, so guess it's not for everyone.
my dream career: housewife.
my dream career: housecat :D
^-^ :))
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Renting is incredibly stupid. Why pay the same amount to NOT own something instead of building equity into something that is growing in value year over year?
Because, as the US housing bubble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble) of 2007 shows that there is never any certainty that it will grow in value.
The moment you need to change jobs and move, not owning a house is a very smart move. You don't want to be tied down for example to an expensive house in a boom area when the market comes crashing down and the town runs empty.
I'm studying business engineering and the market is okay. Most have a job within a year and some even before they graduate.
I studied Philosophy for a while and though it is hard to explain to most people, the skills I learned there have helped me tremendously during the writing an reading of reports and in meeting/debates. There are few things more satisfying than calling your opponent out on his bull**** and pointing out why it is nonsense.
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Tomorrow mark my 18 years of employment, ah I wish I am young and innocent like you all!
18 years in one job?
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Renting is incredibly stupid. Why pay the same amount to NOT own something instead of building equity into something that is growing in value year over year?
Because, as the US housing bubble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble) of 2007 shows that there is never any certainty that it will grow in value.
The moment you need to change jobs and move, not owning a house is a very smart move. You don't want to be tied down for example to an expensive house in a boom area when the market comes crashing down and the town runs empty.
I'm studying business engineering and the market is okay. Most have a job within a year and some even before they graduate.
I studied Philosophy for a while and though it is hard to explain to most people, the skills I learned there have helped me tremendously during the writing an reading of reports and in meeting/debates. There are few things more satisfying than calling your opponent out on his bull**** and pointing out why it is nonsense.
You may be correct here but I would still rather have my own home then rent. For the simple fact of if I want to change something I can. Also, if an appliance breaks that the land lord would be responsible for, I can put in what I want, not the cheapest thing on the market.
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The best way to get a job right out of college is to make connections WHILE you are still in school. Look for paid internships or unpaid internships if you have to. Making X amount of dollars should be secondary to gaining experience.
A common complaint I see from fresh grads is how to break into the field with no experience. Internships are how to get around the barrier of employees having experience requirements on entry level jobs. Check with your school to see if they have job placement programs or something similar.
Having said that, even if a position calls for "3 years experience" and you don't have it, apply anyway. Part of the weed out process to steer those away who are intimidated by the requirements.
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Renting is incredibly stupid. Why pay the same amount to NOT own something instead of building equity into something that is growing in value year over year?
Because, as the US housing bubble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble) of 2007 shows that there is never any certainty that it will grow in value.
The moment you need to change jobs and move, not owning a house is a very smart move. You don't want to be tied down for example to an expensive house in a boom area when the market comes crashing down and the town runs empty.
I'm studying business engineering and the market is okay. Most have a job within a year and some even before they graduate.
I studied Philosophy for a while and though it is hard to explain to most people, the skills I learned there have helped me tremendously during the writing an reading of reports and in meeting/debates. There are few things more satisfying than calling your opponent out on his bull**** and pointing out why it is nonsense.
You may be correct here but I would still rather have my own home then rent. For the simple fact of if I want to change something I can. Also, if an appliance breaks that the land lord would be responsible for, I can put in what I want, not the cheapest thing on the market.
I see where you are coming from. In the end it boils down to what stage of life you are in and how stable (you think) your future is.
Me? I don't know where I will be in a year let alone five years. I feel like working or studying abroad doing projects here and there. Buying a house does not fit into that picture.
I live in a house that we are renting. It's expensive with a family of four living there. The only appliance we bought from the corporation that rents out the house is the dishwasher... and we probably shouldn't have as pretty much all our neighbours bought and installed their own.
On the flipside, a couple of years ago we had a really cold winter but the sky was clear and the sun was shining all the time so we had our curtains closed. Because of the temperature difference the 3,5 by 2,5 meter double glazed window cracked. That was a very expensive repair (€800 if I recall correctly) that was paid for by the owner. That is a risk that you carry yourself as a house owner as well.
What would you like to change for example Melvang?
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Renting is incredibly stupid. Why pay the same amount to NOT own something instead of building equity into something that is growing in value year over year?
Because, as the US housing bubble (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble) of 2007 shows that there is never any certainty that it will grow in value.
The moment you need to change jobs and move, not owning a house is a very smart move. You don't want to be tied down for example to an expensive house in a boom area when the market comes crashing down and the town runs empty.
I'm studying business engineering and the market is okay. Most have a job within a year and some even before they graduate.
I studied Philosophy for a while and though it is hard to explain to most people, the skills I learned there have helped me tremendously during the writing an reading of reports and in meeting/debates. There are few things more satisfying than calling your opponent out on his bull**** and pointing out why it is nonsense.
You may be correct here but I would still rather have my own home then rent. For the simple fact of if I want to change something I can. Also, if an appliance breaks that the land lord would be responsible for, I can put in what I want, not the cheapest thing on the market.
I see where you are coming from. In the end it boils down to what stage of life you are in and how stable (you think) your future is.
Me? I don't know where I will be in a year let alone five years. I feel like working or studying abroad doing projects here and there. Buying a house does not fit into that picture.
I live in a house that we are renting. It's expensive with a family of four living there. The only appliance we bought from the corporation that rents out the house is the dishwasher... and we probably shouldn't have as pretty much all our neighbours bought and installed their own.
On the flipside, a couple of years ago we had a really cold winter but the sky was clear and the sun was shining all the time so we had our curtains closed. Because of the temperature difference the 3,5 by 2,5 meter double glazed window cracked. That was a very expensive repair (€800 if I recall correctly) that was paid for by the owner. That is a risk that you carry yourself as a house owner as well.
What would you like to change for example Melvang?
The quality of the components that are installed. I know a few people personally that are land lords and including all of the land lords I have rented from every single one when as absolute cheap as possible on any and all repairs. Such as last year when we had a bad storm come through. I ended up having a hail damage claim on the shingles. Had it been a rented house it would have been 5 or 10 year shingles that went back on if they even tore off the old ones. Since I own my home I chose to go with 25 year shingles. Granted insurance was paying for it, but even if I was paying for it out of pocket I would have gone with the same ones.
Take the furnace for example in locales that see snow on the ground at least 3 months a year. A land lord will put in the cheapest furnace they can get their hands on because that takes out of their profits. Making it my choice I can put in a much better furnace with a higher efficiency rating and lower my monthly heating bills and save me money surprisingly quickly. The same applies to windows, air conditioner, water heater, and all other things that affect heating, cooling, electricity, and gas bills.
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But he picked a wrong major!
mesopotamian literature
Lol hwood34 - If you`re niche is too esoteric; you`re doomed.
I`ve had to retrain many times to change careers.
I know so many people with humanities degrees and they are struggling to gain employment.
I think students go for them because they are much easier to learn than the sciences and engineering.
get a philosophy degree, so you can ask people why they want fries with that
elementary mistake. The first question you ask is "what does it mean to want?"
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"How to go to a prestigious university for 100% free."
Be Scottish.
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Oddly on topic, what are peoples thoughts on cover letters? Always include? Don't bother? Only write one if they ask?
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Oddly on topic, what are peoples thoughts on cover letters? Always include? Don't bother? Only write one if they ask?
If it is required or you feel like it will help, then do write. Otherwise don't bother. I think that a resume crafted for a specific employer could work better.
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Tomorrow mark my 18 years of employment, ah I wish I am young and innocent like you all!
18 years in one job?
yeah.. i am dumb and oddly loyal!
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Oddly on topic, what are peoples thoughts on cover letters? Always include? Don't bother? Only write one if they ask?
I would always submit one if it's an option. I feel like it can only help; if they don't want to read it, you don't lose anything but minutes of your time :thumb:
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Tomorrow mark my 18 years of employment, ah I wish I am young and innocent like you all!
18 years in one job?
yeah.. i am dumb and oddly loyal!
I've been with the same company for 19 years :p
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Or:
1. Study whatever you like, or don't, but definitely spend some time LEARNING something. <-- this shouldn't ever stop, actually
2. Find a product or service related to your interests that the public want. <-- hardest part of this process, I reckon
3. Start your own business selling that product or service.
4. ?????? <-- find and hire people who can do the parts of running a business that you suck at...
5. PROFIT!! <-- keep in mind that your business exists to provide the product / service, not just to make money, but it needs to be profitable in order to continue providing the service / product. And of course you need to be able to eat...
If these is all like too much work, then you can of course do the default thing like in the OP and join the rat race, with some corporation getting the benefits of your efforts and paying you some small percentage of it.
Also, owning always makes more financial sense than renting a place of the same size. If you factor in convenience, however, renting can make sense in some situations (such as temporary accomodation), but IMO, most of the time it's still better to own. It's also hard work to own a place, keeping it clean, maintaining everything that needs it, managing bills, etc. However, loan payments (if you're decreasing capital, not just covering interest) are an investment, essentially paying money to yourself instead of your landlord. If you can't pay more than the interest, then you've bought a place that's too advanced for your current station in life and should have bought something smaller / in a different part of town and you certainly wouldn't be able to pay rent on the same kind of place.
Well.... that's how I feel at least..
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If these is all like too much work, then you can of course do the default thing like in the OP and join the rat race, with some corporation getting the benefits of your efforts and paying you some small percentage of it.
or join a corporation which will pay you big percentage.
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Rowdy! High fives. I have a buddy! 19 years! What sort of line are you in?
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Engineering booming in Canada too, all my friends got engineering degrees, all have jobs, while I simply have an accounting diploma, to poor to get a degree in business currently, and work contract jobs for Governments until one day, someone's like wow look at dis guy.
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i got a degree in history and religious studies and work in IT.
undergraduate majors dont mean ****. all you need to do with an undergrad is show that you know how to write and articulate yourself.
masters degrees are the undergraduate degrees in this generation. i have been out of school for 7 years working in IT the entire time.
IT needs people that are not socially awkward to interface with clients and end users. neckbeards are a dime a dozen, what we need is people who know how to talk to the lay person and get them where they need to go without any attitude.
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Step 1: **** *****es
Step 2: Get money....
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Rowdy! High fives. I have a buddy! 19 years! What sort of line are you in?
Software development (although these days it seems to be more sales and marketing, which I suck at).
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If it's just a house you're after, that's pretty easy now a days. Buddy of mine bought a foreclosed ranch home just outside of Boulder, CO for 16k. That's less than his car's worth :P
Personally I'd much rather rent. Being tied to one location when you're out of work is a bad idea.
How many years ago was this?!
The "house" was probably a shed on someone else's property at that price, lol.
Anyways, buying a home can be inexpensive, as you can buy a home nowadays with only 5% down payment.
Just make sure you aren't spending more than 35% of your take-home pay per month to make sure you can afford a mortgage and food. Haha
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Anyways, buying a home can be inexpensive, as you can buy a home nowadays with only 5% down payment.
lol no, you can buy a house nowadays with 0% down and usually can talk the seller into paying closing costs. I know this because one of my old coworkers did this.
#RuralDevelopmentLoans
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undergraduate majors dont mean ****. all you need to do with an undergrad is show that you know how to write and articulate yourself.
masters degrees are the undergraduate degrees in this generation.
This is so very untrue as a generalization. If I got a masters degree (which would be dumb for my industry), it wouldn't help me at all. And a PhD would only help if I wanted to go into academia or if I definitely knew I wanted to go into research (it would give me a slight pay bump starting), which I don't. So...that would be a huge waste of my time.
Also, if all I've shown is that I can write and articulate myself, well then ****, that's some pretty hard stuff to do... :rolleyes:
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Would you:
A) Take a temporary job for <1year that pays almost twice as much as your current best job offer and requires you to move
B) Take a salary job that offers stability and benefits that you could potentially keep for the next 4-5years and is local
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Would you:
A) Take a temporary job for <1year that pays almost twice as much as your current best job offer and requires you to move
B) Take a salary job that offers stability and benefits that you could potentially keep for the next 4-5years and is local
Need more information. If you're moving to an area with similar/worse job prospects, don't take it, particularly if they won't cover relocation expenses. Take the salary job and keep looking -- you're more likely to get job offers coming from a stable job than coming from nothing.
Also: how good are the benefits?
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Depends on the job market where you're moving to. If it's good and you'll be able to find a second job in that year, go for it, otherwise the stable one is probably better. You also have to think which one will look better on your resume for what you want to do. I know working in mental health/health care/law/social work (my job encompasses all three) will look better for the future work I want to do than marketing would.
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Alright, for more info it would potentially be a script writing job in Chicago (really don't want to move to Chicago.) Or an assistant producer's position in Cali or WA.
Both would have equal starting benefits, and the producer position has room for promotion. The Chicago job would be for only 9months, but pays way more and I could jumpstart a writing career in gaming, as opposed to a low-end producer's position with a lot of work ahead, but the potential for promotion and much more stability. But I'd be almost broke for the next two years.
PS no offense to anyone who lives around the Chicago area, but I've had enough of ****ty winters growing up in MA (plus the gaming industry is fading fast in the area, so it's a gamble anyway)
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Career and home buying advice brought to you by a recent college grad with little-to-no adult life experience.
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Career and home buying advice brought to you by a recent college grad with little-to-no adult life experience.
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Also, something to consider when buying a home than just the cost of a down payment and mortgage, for all you newbs:
-insurance
-maintenance
-utilities
-your lawn and equipment needed for the lawn
-time spent cleaning all that space
-HOA fees
-remodeling
-potential decline of the value below buying price (see 2009)
-all the stuff you will buy to fill that space
-all the stuff you have to buy when things break and fall apart, because things will break and fall apart.
-lack of mobility
-difficulty of selling if you have to move
-debt slavery
If you want to deal with all that, go ahead.
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Also, something to consider when buying a home than just the cost of a down payment and mortgage, for all you newbs:
-insurance
-maintenance
-utilities
-your lawn and equipment needed for the lawn
-time spent cleaning all that space
-HOA fees
-remodeling
-potential decline of the value below touring buying price (see 2009)
-all the stuff you will buy to fill that space
-all the stuff you have to buy when things break and fall apart, because things will break and fall apart.
-lack of mobility
-difficulty of selling if you have to move
-debt slavery
If you want to deal with all that, go ahead.
I would still rather deal with that than paying rent. For one reason. It is the single most important decision for increasing net worth. Not that it is important to just increase it, but if something comes along and you need to take a loan for something, you can.
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Also, something to consider when buying a home than just the cost of a down payment and mortgage, for all you newbs:
-insurance
-maintenance
-utilities
-your lawn and equipment needed for the lawn
-time spent cleaning all that space
-HOA fees
-remodeling
-potential decline of the value below touring buying price (see 2009)
-all the stuff you will buy to fill that space
-all the stuff you have to buy when things break and fall apart, because things will break and fall apart.
-lack of mobility
-difficulty of selling if you have to move
-debt slavery
If you want to deal with all that, go ahead.
I would still rather deal with that than paying rent. For one reason. It is the single most important decision for increasing net worth. Not that it is important to just increase it, but if something comes along and you need to take a loan for something, you can.
I have to disagree. There are other ways to increase net worth. Start a successful business, buy some land, do some research and get into investing, call yourself an expert, get a book, and go on speaking tour, etc. I just do not think that having a mortgage with all the associated costs of money and time are the best way to increase net worth.
If you have to pay for it and it is not producing income for you on a regular basis, I would consider it a liability.
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Market is low, apr is low, you get to write off the interest on your taxes. You will be able to sell for a substantial profit (depending on area) in 3-5+ years. Nothing but gain right now. I do understand if you want to be mobile and move around then that's a completely different story.
All the things you list are very cheap and mostly optional. HOA fees only apply in certain areas, home insurance is cheaper than car insurance and you only have to populate your house with what you chose.
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The best way to get a job right out of college is to make connections WHILE you are still in school. Look for paid internships or unpaid internships if you have to. Making X amount of dollars should be secondary to gaining experience.
Completely agree with this. My three roommates in undergrad did summer internships (in engineering fields) every year in college. They made a lot of money during the summer and were able to live in a new place for a few months. When we graduated, all three had employment offers from the places they interned at (2 accepted the other found a different job).
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How to get a full-time salary job before you graduate college:
Step 1: Major in Accountancy/Computer Information Systems
Step 2: Get internship in Information Systems
Step 3: Don't **** up
Step 4: ????
Step 5: Get full-time salary job offer before you graduate
Step 6: Profit
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No wonder I couldn't find a job. I messed up step 1. My major is art history.
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No wonder I couldn't find a job. I messed up step 1. My major is art history.
I thought you weren't even old enough to be in college?
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No wonder I couldn't find a job. I messed up step 1. My major is art history.
Then you can just work in IT. You have one of the perfect profiles for it since anyone can work in IT.
A few coworkers (now fired) had no real IT formation. They knew how to code (barely) and managed to keep their job for a few years before getting fired. But both found a new job since then. And since a lot of job in IT is NOT coding, then with motivation and hard work you can do really well and learn whats needed on your own.
And if your are good at bull****ting people, you can try the sale department :p
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umm, working at a job kind of suxx.
I worked at a job from 1992 to 1998. Worst 6 years of my life.
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Kmiller8 master troll. It took me 13 months to find a job after graduating with an engineering degree : /
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Kmiller8 master troll. It took me 13 months to find a job after graduating with an engineering degree : /
There's no magic formula at finding a job, but the main factors are:
1. How many job offers there is that you are searching for at the time you are searching for one and in the area where you are searching for a job.
2. If you are picky or not about the job you are searching
3. Your qualifications and your ability to demonstrate/convince that you have them
4. How good you are at selling yourself
5. Luck!
6. Etc.
Don't expect to get a job in less than 3 months of intensive research. It's possible, but don't expect it.
Searching for a job takes a lot of time and energy. Be ready for it.
If you do all you can and can't find a job, try to think about what is wrong (searching for wrong job, searching at wrong place, need to improve the way you sale yourself, etc.)
I don't have a lot of experience searching for a job, but when you really want to get one, you can. But it just might not be the job of your dream.
Also, while I agree that some jobs are more fun than others and that there are better employers than others, in many cases, a job is as good as what you make of it. If you decide that your job will be fun, you probably can make it so unless you are stuck with really **** coworkers.
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Alright, for more info it would potentially be a script writing job in Chicago (really don't want to move to Chicago.) Or an assistant producer's position in Cali or WA.
Both would have equal starting benefits, and the producer position has room for promotion. The Chicago job would be for only 9months, but pays way more and I could jumpstart a writing career in gaming, as opposed to a low-end producer's position with a lot of work ahead, but the potential for promotion and much more stability. But I'd be almost broke for the next two years.
PS no offense to anyone who lives around the Chicago area, but I've had enough of ****ty winters growing up in MA (plus the gaming industry is fading fast in the area, so it's a gamble anyway)
But... If you move to Chicago, you could visit WI and be my new best friend.
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umm, working at a job kind of suxx.
I worked at a job from 1992 to 1998. Worst 6 years of my life.
are you a housewife now
you're living the dream
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umm, working at a job kind of suxx.
I worked at a job from 1992 to 1998. Worst 6 years of my life.
You are lucky to not work at a job and have the dough to purchase Clacks!
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There's no magic formula at finding a job
Sure there is. Step 1: Be from a wealthy family. Step 2: Your family or a wealthy family friend gives you a well paid job in a managerial or executive position in their company. Step 3: Play golf/polo/squash/go yachting and profit.
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There's no magic formula at finding a job
Sure there is. Step 1: Be from a wealthy family. Step 2: Your family or a wealthy family friend gives you a well paid job in a managerial or executive position in their company. Step 3: Play golf/polo/squash/go yachting and profit.
Good ol' boy network!
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There's no magic formula at finding a job
Sure there is. Step 1: Be from a wealthy family. Step 2: Your family or a wealthy family friend gives you a well paid job in a managerial or executive position in their company. Step 3: Play golf/polo/squash/go yachting and profit.
That's not a job. It's a status. If you don't work, how can you call it a job?