Luckily it only took me 1 MX board before I took the topre plunge and have no regrets whatsoever.
I do however prefer MX reds for gaming but I'm an FPS gamer primarily.
It took me two months to decide if I wanted to spring for the type-s--and so it begins for you... :D
Luckily it only took me 1 MX board before I took the topre plunge and have no regrets whatsoever.
I do however prefer MX reds for gaming but I'm an FPS gamer primarily.
It took me two months to decide if I wanted to spring for the type-s--and so it begins for you... :D
Luckily it only took me 1 MX board before I took the topre plunge and have no regrets whatsoever.
I do however prefer MX reds for gaming but I'm an FPS gamer primarily.
It took me two months to decide if I wanted to spring for the type-s--and so it begins for you... :D
Same here. I started with a ducky shine 2, then got my Realforce. I'm now down to my Race 2, my Realforce, and my HHKB. These three boards aren't going anywhere. However, the HHKB is going to get 55g modded soon enough.
Luckily it only took me 1 MX board before I took the topre plunge and have no regrets whatsoever.
I do however prefer MX reds for gaming but I'm an FPS gamer primarily.
It took me two months to decide if I wanted to spring for the type-s--and so it begins for you... :D
Same here. I started with a ducky shine 2, then got my Realforce. I'm now down to my Race 2, my Realforce, and my HHKB. These three boards aren't going anywhere. However, the HHKB is going to get 55g modded soon enough.
I am debating maybe I should get both and HHKB Type-S white and a black HHKB and switch the cases, then sell the HHKB with a white case... hmmm
Got a hhkb waiting for me at the local post office. Can't pick it up before after work tomorrow. Anxious to try out topre for the first time.
I am debating maybe I should get both and HHKB Type-S white and a black HHKB and switch the cases, then sell the HHKB with a white case... hmmm
My favorite Topre is 45g. Smooth af.
My favorite Topre is 45g. Smooth af.
In terms of feel and sound the 660C destroys the RealForce. If there was an engineer involved that tweaked the materials in favor of acoustics they deserve a pat on the back.
Got a hhkb waiting for me at the local post office. Can't pick it up before after work tomorrow. Anxious to try out topre for the first time.
Luckily it only took me 1 MX board before I took the topre plunge and have no regrets whatsoever.
I do however prefer MX reds for gaming but I'm an FPS gamer primarily.
It took me two months to decide if I wanted to spring for the type-s--and so it begins for you... :D
Same here. I started with a ducky shine 2, then got my Realforce. I'm now down to my Race 2, my Realforce, and my HHKB. These three boards aren't going anywhere. However, the HHKB is going to get 55g modded soon enough.
I am debating maybe I should get both and HHKB Type-S white and a black HHKB and switch the cases, then sell the HHKB with a white case... hmmm
I didn't think I'd like the white case on the type-s for a long time, which is why I put off buying it for so long. The white has really grown on me the last few days though.Got a hhkb waiting for me at the local post office. Can't pick it up before after work tomorrow. Anxious to try out topre for the first time.
Nice pick up! I love the layout so far, and highly suggest the board from my experience. My only complaint is that there's no 55g from the factory.
My favorite Topre is 45g. Smooth af.
In terms of feel and sound the 660C destroys the RealForce. If there was an engineer involved that tweaked the materials in favor of acoustics they deserve a pat on the back.
I am debating maybe I should get both and HHKB Type-S white and a black HHKB and switch the cases, then sell the HHKB with a white case... hmmm
Had all these quandaries too. Eventually I'll buy a pro 2 black for the case swap. I'll just keep an eye on classifieds when the time comes.
My first mechanical keyboard is/was HHKB Pro 2 (don't judge). It feels very good to type on and I'm a happy hacker with it, but I REALLY want to try cherry mx blues. Especially on Poker II.
My HHKB is cleaned and packed. I'm counting my posts until I will be able to post in classifieds. Gonna sell it for low, I think, as I don't want to wait too long.
Haha, yeah. I am eager to try the Type-S and see how much different it is from an at home modded Topre. The main thing I don't like about the mod is the reduction in key travel. If a Type-S fixes this, I will be one happy enthusiast.
This makes me feel better about my purchase. Now if only I can decide to get it WITH legends are WITHOUT. :(
Haha, yeah. I am eager to try the Type-S and see how much different it is from an at home modded Topre. The main thing I don't like about the mod is the reduction in key travel. If a Type-S fixes this, I will be one happy enthusiast.
The ONLY difference between a stock HHKB and the HHKB Type S is the foam silencing ring. The switch isn't redesigned to alleviate the reduction in travel the silencing ring causes. There may be a lesser reduction in travel than the silencing mod you attempted, but the Type S has a slight reduction in travel compared to a stock HHKB.
The stock silenced Realforce is the ONLY topre board with a redesigned plunger to alleviate the reduction in travel caused by the foam silencing rings.
This makes me feel better about my purchase. Now if only I can decide to get it WITH legends are WITHOUT. :(
I got mine with legends to learn the fn layer, but if you print a picture of the fn layer, you'll be fine without them (assuming you already touch type on qwerty)
For what it's worth, what tipped the scales for me on the pro2 vs the type-s :
From this thread - http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34972.0
The original pictures do not display for me in that thread, otherwise I would link the original. o2dazone was OP.
LEFT - RIGHT
pro2 - type-s
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Also the fact that the pro2 will never be a type-s. Of course the pro2 can be modded with o-rings or ironed down pads to try to replicate the type-s. I can't speak from experience on that but what I've gathered from other reviews is that the feel and upstroke dampening can be quite similar. Mixed reviews on whether the reduced key travel is detectable--too many unknowns here.
My heart was set on the pro2 and while stacking the cash up for it, I just thought, why not just wait and save a little more for the s? And that's what I did. Plus I would have never been satisfied by NOT having the type-s. Getting that thought out of my mind was worth the premium.
Good luck bro!
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Any idea on a price? Maybe I will buy it from you just for the case.
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Any idea on a price? Maybe I will buy it from you just for the case.
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I was thinking about 120GBP (201.62USD), but I'm not to certain about shipping anywhere else than Europe.-
So the only difference between these two is that ring? Or I'm not seeing something?
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Any idea on a price? Maybe I will buy it from you just for the case.
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I was thinking about 120GBP (201.62USD), but I'm not to certain about shipping anywhere else than Europe.-
So the only difference between these two is that ring? Or I'm not seeing something?
Yeah, the only difference is that silencing ring. But the thing is, people try to replicate that ring by cutting pieces of rubber or using dental bands and there are flaws with both those methods. Cutting the rubber foam is A LOT OF WORK and usually results in a ring that is slightly thicker than that. With the dental band mod, the bands are made of harder rubber than those foam rings so it doesn't give the same silencing. It is close, but just not the same. The bands are also said to be a tad too thick and do affect the actuation quite a bit. I know "Glissant" used 1/8" Light dental bands instead of the 3/16" most use and he reported no noticeable travel distance difference.
There is another method which requires you to iron landing pads from EK. This is the method I tried and which brought me to a Type-S because I didn't like the difference in travel. One of my favorite thing about Topre is how the keys bounce back quite nicely and there is no way to actuate a key without completely pressing it unlike a Cherry switch. With the silencing mod it took part of that away from me. It made the switches feel borderline linear to me.
All of this does not include the fact that I noticed modding yourself leaves little to be desired about the stiffness of the keys like I mentioned in the earlier post.
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Any idea on a price? Maybe I will buy it from you just for the case.
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I was thinking about 120GBP (201.62USD), but I'm not to certain about shipping anywhere else than Europe.-
So the only difference between these two is that ring? Or I'm not seeing something?
Yeah, the only difference is that silencing ring. But the thing is, people try to replicate that ring by cutting pieces of rubber or using dental bands and there are flaws with both those methods. Cutting the rubber foam is A LOT OF WORK and usually results in a ring that is slightly thicker than that. With the dental band mod, the bands are made of harder rubber than those foam rings so it doesn't give the same silencing. It is close, but just not the same. The bands are also said to be a tad too thick and do affect the actuation quite a bit. I know "Glissant" used 1/8" Light dental bands instead of the 3/16" most use and he reported no noticeable travel distance difference.
There is another method which requires you to iron landing pads from EK. This is the method I tried and which brought me to a Type-S because I didn't like the difference in travel. One of my favorite thing about Topre is how the keys bounce back quite nicely and there is no way to actuate a key without completely pressing it unlike a Cherry switch. With the silencing mod it took part of that away from me. It made the switches feel borderline linear to me.
All of this does not include the fact that I noticed modding yourself leaves little to be desired about the stiffness of the keys like I mentioned in the earlier post.
I can speak to the o2 mod. I did it to my stock HHKB and ended up reversing it as it felt inconsistent when compared next to a stock type-s. The silencing was much more effective than stock silencing though.
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Any idea on a price? Maybe I will buy it from you just for the case.
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I was thinking about 120GBP (201.62USD), but I'm not to certain about shipping anywhere else than Europe.-
So the only difference between these two is that ring? Or I'm not seeing something?
Yeah, the only difference is that silencing ring. But the thing is, people try to replicate that ring by cutting pieces of rubber or using dental bands and there are flaws with both those methods. Cutting the rubber foam is A LOT OF WORK and usually results in a ring that is slightly thicker than that. With the dental band mod, the bands are made of harder rubber than those foam rings so it doesn't give the same silencing. It is close, but just not the same. The bands are also said to be a tad too thick and do affect the actuation quite a bit. I know "Glissant" used 1/8" Light dental bands instead of the 3/16" most use and he reported no noticeable travel distance difference.
There is another method which requires you to iron landing pads from EK. This is the method I tried and which brought me to a Type-S because I didn't like the difference in travel. One of my favorite thing about Topre is how the keys bounce back quite nicely and there is no way to actuate a key without completely pressing it unlike a Cherry switch. With the silencing mod it took part of that away from me. It made the switches feel borderline linear to me.
All of this does not include the fact that I noticed modding yourself leaves little to be desired about the stiffness of the keys like I mentioned in the earlier post.
I can speak to the o2 mod. I did it to my stock HHKB and ended up reversing it as it felt inconsistent when compared next to a stock type-s. The silencing was much more effective than stock silencing though.
Interesting indeed. So the dampening was more effective on the mod but the Type-S gave less travel distance reduction and more uniformity?
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Any idea on a price? Maybe I will buy it from you just for the case.
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I was thinking about 120GBP (201.62USD), but I'm not to certain about shipping anywhere else than Europe.-
So the only difference between these two is that ring? Or I'm not seeing something?
Yeah, the only difference is that silencing ring. But the thing is, people try to replicate that ring by cutting pieces of rubber or using dental bands and there are flaws with both those methods. Cutting the rubber foam is A LOT OF WORK and usually results in a ring that is slightly thicker than that. With the dental band mod, the bands are made of harder rubber than those foam rings so it doesn't give the same silencing. It is close, but just not the same. The bands are also said to be a tad too thick and do affect the actuation quite a bit. I know "Glissant" used 1/8" Light dental bands instead of the 3/16" most use and he reported no noticeable travel distance difference.
There is another method which requires you to iron landing pads from EK. This is the method I tried and which brought me to a Type-S because I didn't like the difference in travel. One of my favorite thing about Topre is how the keys bounce back quite nicely and there is no way to actuate a key without completely pressing it unlike a Cherry switch. With the silencing mod it took part of that away from me. It made the switches feel borderline linear to me.
All of this does not include the fact that I noticed modding yourself leaves little to be desired about the stiffness of the keys like I mentioned in the earlier post.
I can speak to the o2 mod. I did it to my stock HHKB and ended up reversing it as it felt inconsistent when compared next to a stock type-s. The silencing was much more effective than stock silencing though.
Interesting indeed. So the dampening was more effective on the mod but the Type-S gave less travel distance reduction and more uniformity?
Yes, exactly. The rubber/silicon used in the o2 mod was very very effective at muffling the sound. The Type S has more of a resonance that I believed the rubber from o2's mod killed.
I think I might buy a RF Type-S and swap out the variable domes with my 55g domes. I could deal with the dental band mod on the RF, key travel was too short.
The reason I fell in love with mechanical keyboards was the fact that they felt better than any rubber dome keyboard I ever tried. Not simply because they are "mechanical". If someone feels like scissor switches are the end all switch for them, then so be it.
At the end of the day, it is all about what you like. You're the one who is going to be using the keyboard.
That's my opinion at least. I respect any one's opinion on what the best switch is for them. It's subjective and I don't "disagree" with anyone who feels like their Cherry MX board is better than a Topre. I am actually happy they found the board/switch for them because I know how great the feeling is of enjoying every single press of a key.
The reason I fell in love with mechanical keyboards was the fact that they felt better than any rubber dome keyboard I ever tried. Not simply because they are "mechanical". If someone feels like scissor switches are the end all switch for them, then so be it.
At the end of the day, it is all about what you like. You're the one who is going to be using the keyboard.
That's my opinion at least. I respect any one's opinion on what the best switch is for them. It's subjective and I don't "disagree" with anyone who feels like their Cherry MX board is better than a Topre. I am actually happy they found the board/switch for them because I know how great the feeling is of enjoying every single press of a key.
Agreed. People can argue that "mechanical" keyboards are objectively better for some reason (ex: midstroke activation and the ability to not bottom out) but at the end of the day GH shows that keyboards really are a subjective thing. If someone prefers the feel of a Topre keyboard why does it matter that it might technically be a rubber dome keyboard. People find what they like and use it :)
One last thing which is for certain, I have way less typos on my Topre than I did on my Cherry boards. Even the stiff MX Clears I had did not result in such precise strokes.
Yeah, I made a lot less typos after switching to Topre from browns. Even if they are rated at the same 45g "weight" the browns feel like they are much lighter and easier to accidently press.
Yeah, I made a lot less typos after switching to Topre from browns. Even if they are rated at the same 45g "weight" the browns feel like they are much lighter and easier to accidently press.
In fact most X-Logitech users seem to love HHKB or Realforce keyboards because they remind them of what they have used for the past few years, hence the thorpie switch wins new supporters everyday :thumb: .
Yeah, I made a lot less typos after switching to Topre from browns. Even if they are rated at the same 45g "weight" the browns feel like they are much lighter and easier to accidently press.
True the Thorpie Switch is extremely good at actuation compared to the MX system. I make less mistyped words with a REALFORCE than with any Filco, Leopold or WASD keyboard. In fact most X-Logitech users seem to love HHKB or Realforce keyboards because they remind them of what they have used for the past few years, hence the thorpie switch wins new supporters everyday :thumb: .
one of us! one of us! ;D
that said, i'm loving my 55g hhkb pro2. i did the o-ring silencing treatment, it was quiet but the key travel was reduced and i didn't like it. took the o-rings off and just enjoyed the noise they make. 55g is where it is bro and now for me, cherry mx switches are just for collection purposes only.
one of us! one of us! ;D
that said, i'm loving my 55g hhkb pro2. i did the o-ring silencing treatment, it was quiet but the key travel was reduced and i didn't like it. took the o-rings off and just enjoyed the noise they make. 55g is where it is bro and now for me, cherry mx switches are just for collection purposes only.
How did you mod it to 55g? You just used the rubber domes from a RF?
bought a set of 55g domes from a nice fellow geekhacker. you can buy the RF 55g as a donor board or if you wanna save some cash you can try looking in the classifieds. they don't come up often but there are some for sale from time to time.one of us! one of us! ;D
that said, i'm loving my 55g hhkb pro2. i did the o-ring silencing treatment, it was quiet but the key travel was reduced and i didn't like it. took the o-rings off and just enjoyed the noise they make. 55g is where it is bro and now for me, cherry mx switches are just for collection purposes only.
How did you mod it to 55g? You just used the rubber domes from a RF?
bought a set of 55g domes from a nice fellow geekhacker. you can buy the RF 55g as a donor board or if you wanna save some cash you can try looking in the classifieds. they don't come up often but there are some for sale from time to time.one of us! one of us! ;D
that said, i'm loving my 55g hhkb pro2. i did the o-ring silencing treatment, it was quiet but the key travel was reduced and i didn't like it. took the o-rings off and just enjoyed the noise they make. 55g is where it is bro and now for me, cherry mx switches are just for collection purposes only.
How did you mod it to 55g? You just used the rubber domes from a RF?
i can only imagine that a type-s with 55g domes will be heaven on earth. use the hhkb daily for a few weeks to break the rubbers in, after that they should feel a bit better.bought a set of 55g domes from a nice fellow geekhacker. you can buy the RF 55g as a donor board or if you wanna save some cash you can try looking in the classifieds. they don't come up often but there are some for sale from time to time.one of us! one of us! ;D
that said, i'm loving my 55g hhkb pro2. i did the o-ring silencing treatment, it was quiet but the key travel was reduced and i didn't like it. took the o-rings off and just enjoyed the noise they make. 55g is where it is bro and now for me, cherry mx switches are just for collection purposes only.
How did you mod it to 55g? You just used the rubber domes from a RF?
Nice, I can see why people would want to do this.
I got my Type-S today (Tenso is really fast) but I didn't get a chance to really type with it because I had to head to work.
However, I pressed the keys and they definitely feel lighter than my FC660C. Also, I must have super sensitive fingers because I definitely feel a reduction in travel on the Type-S vs my Leopold. Like the mod I did on the FC, the keys lose their tactility a bit almost to the point where the switch feels linear.
Again, I didn't get nearly enough time to play with it so I'll have to use it for a day. But at first touch, I am favoring my Leopold. With no plate as well, the HHKB feels less solid as well. I will say that there is absolutely no key wiggle though where the FC660C has some play.
Nevertheless, since I am selling my MX boards I'll likely keep both. Especially since the HHKB feels like a lighter switch and silenced.
I'll report here tonight. I plan on also making a comparison video for my channel so feel free to stay tuned for that.
i can only imagine that a type-s with 55g domes will be heaven on earth. use the hhkb daily for a few weeks to break the rubbers in, after that they should feel a bit better.bought a set of 55g domes from a nice fellow geekhacker. you can buy the RF 55g as a donor board or if you wanna save some cash you can try looking in the classifieds. they don't come up often but there are some for sale from time to time.one of us! one of us! ;D
that said, i'm loving my 55g hhkb pro2. i did the o-ring silencing treatment, it was quiet but the key travel was reduced and i didn't like it. took the o-rings off and just enjoyed the noise they make. 55g is where it is bro and now for me, cherry mx switches are just for collection purposes only.
How did you mod it to 55g? You just used the rubber domes from a RF?
Nice, I can see why people would want to do this.
I got my Type-S today (Tenso is really fast) but I didn't get a chance to really type with it because I had to head to work.
However, I pressed the keys and they definitely feel lighter than my FC660C. Also, I must have super sensitive fingers because I definitely feel a reduction in travel on the Type-S vs my Leopold. Like the mod I did on the FC, the keys lose their tactility a bit almost to the point where the switch feels linear.
Again, I didn't get nearly enough time to play with it so I'll have to use it for a day. But at first touch, I am favoring my Leopold. With no plate as well, the HHKB feels less solid as well. I will say that there is absolutely no key wiggle though where the FC660C has some play.
Nevertheless, since I am selling my MX boards I'll likely keep both. Especially since the HHKB feels like a lighter switch and silenced.
I'll report here tonight. I plan on also making a comparison video for my channel so feel free to stay tuned for that.
I got the Type-S today!
At first, I wasn't too crazy about it but that was before I used it. I had to go to work so I didn't get a chance to play with it until I got home.
I will say it is much different than my Leopold. The switches feel lighter too. If this is true 45g then I would say the FC660C feels more like a 50g. Maybe even a 55g but I have not tried a 55g to make that comparison.
I will be posting a video review and comparison of both boards this weekend so if you want to check that out, subscribe to the channel in my signature! :thumb:
In the meantime, here is some eye candy:Show Image(http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/gg483/Crook1d/DSC_0115_zps8a196891.jpg)
WIsh there was a Topre switch tester.
Not everyone can spend that kind of money unfortunately. I'd love to try Topre but 100% of my disability income goes into my house and food, the only reason I have money to spend on hobbies is my birthday is coming up and saving little bits here and there. :p Topre switch tester sounds lovely. :3Yeah, I get what you mean. I saved up a little for my Topre. It's a sound investment, although I've adjusted to 55g Clears, stock browns and Topre since I have to use all three from time to time. Topre and 55g clears are my favourite at the moment.
I'm really trying to love this switch but I'm making a lot more mistakes on this FC660C than I make on my cherry brown board. I feel the keys are a bit too stiff on topre and the switches are not as consistent throughout the keystrokes as are cherry browns. It seems like they take a lot of force to get started and then less as you press down the key, kind of like a standard rubber dome. I'm averaging about 1-2% higher error rate and about 6-10 wps slower in my typing test.
The keyboard FEELS great and sounds really nice to type on but I don't know that I will ever get as good typing on it as I can with a cherry brown board. If you have to make longer key strokes then that is going to slow you down a little I think. I'm glad I didn't spring for the 55g weight board as the keys are already stiff enough to noticeably slow me down with the 45g weight. On the Blackbird with cherry browns I can literally just lightly tap each key and not worry about it registering or not plus you get a little feedback unlike the topre. Although topre switches register the keystroke closer to the top the extra force required makes it seem the opposite, and the need to bottom the keys in order to avoid making mistakes by hitting a key too lightly takes over. This might also be due to the keys resistance throughout the keystroke becoming less as you press which almost forces you to bottom out when you type even though they do not need to be bottomed out to work.
I love the sound though, no question topre sounds the best when you type on it and I think it is more fun to type on it as well, but I'm not thinking it is worth the cost over a good board with cherry switches. Maybe it will grow on me. Is there any plans to make a lighter say all 35g topre board? There's no way this thing requires the same force as standard cherries. Maybe the rubber domes are too stiff or something, and only the springs are 45g weighted?
Anyone else's Delete key easier to press than the rest of the keys? Do your shift keys stabilizers sound kinda clankey compared to the other long keys? Well at least this board drops the volume a little and is something different to type on so that I won't get bored.
WIsh there was a Topre switch tester.Show Image(http://www.mrbrown.com/.a/6a00d83451b52369e2019b03296647970d-550wi)
So fresh so clean
I'm really trying to love this switch but I'm making a lot more mistakes on this FC660C than I make on my cherry brown board. I feel the keys are a bit too stiff on topre and the switches are not as consistent throughout the keystrokes as are cherry browns. It seems like they take a lot of force to get started and then less as you press down the key, kind of like a standard rubber dome. I'm averaging about 1-2% higher error rate and about 6-10 wps slower in my typing test.
The keyboard FEELS great and sounds really nice to type on but I don't know that I will ever get as good typing on it as I can with a cherry brown board. If you have to make longer key strokes then that is going to slow you down a little I think. I'm glad I didn't spring for the 55g weight board as the keys are already stiff enough to noticeably slow me down with the 45g weight. On the Blackbird with cherry browns I can literally just lightly tap each key and not worry about it registering or not plus you get a little feedback unlike the topre. Although topre switches register the keystroke closer to the top the extra force required makes it seem the opposite, and the need to bottom the keys in order to avoid making mistakes by hitting a key too lightly takes over. This might also be due to the keys resistance throughout the keystroke becoming less as you press which almost forces you to bottom out when you type even though they do not need to be bottomed out to work.
I love the sound though, no question topre sounds the best when you type on it and I think it is more fun to type on it as well, but I'm not thinking it is worth the cost over a good board with cherry switches. Maybe it will grow on me. Is there any plans to make a lighter say all 35g topre board? There's no way this thing requires the same force as standard cherries. Maybe the rubber domes are too stiff or something, and only the springs are 45g weighted?
Anyone else's Delete key easier to press than the rest of the keys? Do your shift keys stabilizers sound kinda clankey compared to the other long keys? Well at least this board drops the volume a little and is something different to type on so that I won't get bored.
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Any idea on a price? Maybe I will buy it from you just for the case.
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I was thinking about 120GBP (201.62USD), but I'm not to certain about shipping anywhere else than Europe.-
So the only difference between these two is that ring? Or I'm not seeing something?
Yeah, the only difference is that silencing ring. But the thing is, people try to replicate that ring by cutting pieces of rubber or using dental bands and there are flaws with both those methods. Cutting the rubber foam is A LOT OF WORK and usually results in a ring that is slightly thicker than that. With the dental band mod, the bands are made of harder rubber than those foam rings so it doesn't give the same silencing. It is close, but just not the same. The bands are also said to be a tad too thick and do affect the actuation quite a bit. I know "Glissant" used 1/8" Light dental bands instead of the 3/16" most use and he reported no noticeable travel distance difference.
There is another method which requires you to iron landing pads from EK. This is the method I tried and which brought me to a Type-S because I didn't like the difference in travel. One of my favorite thing about Topre is how the keys bounce back quite nicely and there is no way to actuate a key without completely pressing it unlike a Cherry switch. With the silencing mod it took part of that away from me. It made the switches feel borderline linear to me.
All of this does not include the fact that I noticed modding yourself leaves little to be desired about the stiffness of the keys like I mentioned in the earlier post.
I can speak to the o2 mod. I did it to my stock HHKB and ended up reversing it as it felt inconsistent when compared next to a stock type-s. The silencing was much more effective than stock silencing though.
Interesting indeed. So the dampening was more effective on the mod but the Type-S gave less travel distance reduction and more uniformity?
Yes, exactly. The rubber/silicon used in the o2 mod was very very effective at muffling the sound. The Type S has more of a resonance that I believed the rubber from o2's mod killed.
I know exactly what you mean. When I listen to the Type-S via videos, it is almost like it muffles the sound JUST ENOUGH to where it makes a MORE SATISFYING up stoke sound as opposed to completely silencing it.
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Any idea on a price? Maybe I will buy it from you just for the case.
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I was thinking about 120GBP (201.62USD), but I'm not to certain about shipping anywhere else than Europe.-
So the only difference between these two is that ring? Or I'm not seeing something?
Yeah, the only difference is that silencing ring. But the thing is, people try to replicate that ring by cutting pieces of rubber or using dental bands and there are flaws with both those methods. Cutting the rubber foam is A LOT OF WORK and usually results in a ring that is slightly thicker than that. With the dental band mod, the bands are made of harder rubber than those foam rings so it doesn't give the same silencing. It is close, but just not the same. The bands are also said to be a tad too thick and do affect the actuation quite a bit. I know "Glissant" used 1/8" Light dental bands instead of the 3/16" most use and he reported no noticeable travel distance difference.
There is another method which requires you to iron landing pads from EK. This is the method I tried and which brought me to a Type-S because I didn't like the difference in travel. One of my favorite thing about Topre is how the keys bounce back quite nicely and there is no way to actuate a key without completely pressing it unlike a Cherry switch. With the silencing mod it took part of that away from me. It made the switches feel borderline linear to me.
All of this does not include the fact that I noticed modding yourself leaves little to be desired about the stiffness of the keys like I mentioned in the earlier post.
I can speak to the o2 mod. I did it to my stock HHKB and ended up reversing it as it felt inconsistent when compared next to a stock type-s. The silencing was much more effective than stock silencing though.
Interesting indeed. So the dampening was more effective on the mod but the Type-S gave less travel distance reduction and more uniformity?
Yes, exactly. The rubber/silicon used in the o2 mod was very very effective at muffling the sound. The Type S has more of a resonance that I believed the rubber from o2's mod killed.
I know exactly what you mean. When I listen to the Type-S via videos, it is almost like it muffles the sound JUST ENOUGH to where it makes a MORE SATISFYING up stoke sound as opposed to completely silencing it.
Your type-s is ergo weighted right? The would explain why it feels so much lighter. I guess my end game for typing would be a constant 45g topre, but with the lighter 45g realforce switches, not the FC660C's (gray cap model) stiffer keys (Granted I haven't been able to try both), but also with the type-s plungers and with some backlighting (preferably white, amber or red) and doubleshot pbt keycaps in a non ugly "deck" font. It would then also need to have 87 key layout and the caps lock keys would light up when engaged or utilize an easy to see indicator light that is not hidden behind the int home pgup keys. A rubberized aluminum low profile volume wheel that is slightly tactical and with FN media keys to boot. If it comes with feet, the bottoms of those feet would need to be like the FC660C's to prevent the board from sliding around on smooth surfaces. A USB3 port might be icing on the cake since I never really care about those.
No one make anything like this though of course :P But if they DID!
My Type-S is stock, not ergo. Others have confirmed that the FC660C feels more like 50g than 45g where HHKB switch, type-s or not is definitely lighter.
My Type-S is stock, not ergo. Others have confirmed that the FC660C feels more like 50g than 45g where HHKB switch, type-s or not is definitely lighter.
HHKB is a good looking board but I need those insert delete and arrow keys. While the HHKB is branded towards software developers the layout really is not IMO. I don't use VIM I use an IDE for enterprise projects like the rest of the modern world ;) I wouldn't trade those arrow keys for lighter keys. Int he end how fast do you need to be able to type code, most of development research thought debugging and auto complete and project server configurations :)