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Title: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: miroslav on Fri, 13 June 2014, 07:34:32
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to ask you guys I'm getting another board tomorrow and I'm not sure which one I should get, either a Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium. I've tried Deck Hassiums before but I can't really tell the difference between that or the Ducky. I'm also curious as to whether the Deck is plate mounted because I've come to the understanding that they're not and that they're only dual PCB.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Doesntknowwhattosay on Fri, 13 June 2014, 09:00:15
I would choose the ducky over deck all the time just because of the font they use.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Tempest790 on Fri, 13 June 2014, 09:20:00
I would choose the ducky over deck all the time just because of the font they use.

This.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: qwack on Fri, 13 June 2014, 09:28:51
Same here.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Fri, 13 June 2014, 10:12:44
I'm also curious as to whether the Deck is plate mounted because I've come to the understanding that they're not and that they're only dual PCB.

No, it is plate mounted.

I would go with the Deck that situation...PBT doubleshot caps (assuming you get the US version) vs ABS, good onboard configurability, and anyway I won't buy another Ducky after what happened with my 1008XM.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: acantha on Fri, 13 June 2014, 10:22:16
I would choose the ducky over deck all the time just because of the font they use.

This.

totes. too bad you can't take the keys off. that would make the font on the caps a nonissue. </sarcasm>
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Justintoxicated on Fri, 13 June 2014, 11:22:23
easy one, deck.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: minho on Fri, 13 June 2014, 11:29:54
Ducky fo sho. Don't know what backlighting options Hassium has, but the font and the lighting already make the Ducky a hella cool board.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Justintoxicated on Fri, 13 June 2014, 11:53:22
Ducky fo sho. Don't know what backlighting options Hassium has, but the font and the lighting already make the Ducky a hella cool board.

The US deck has pretty much all the same options plus the backlighting effects are programmable if your into that.  But the US model deck's caps are doubleshot PBT, so hands down better than laser etched ducky caps.

OP You should also look into the Maxkeyboard Blackbird, while not as wild on lighting options it's  a quality board and also has doubleshot keycaps although they are abs doubleshot, they do have a better font and look really good in person.  I was pretty sure the Deck is plate mounted, but maybe do a google search on that one.  The blackbird certainly is though.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: dante on Fri, 13 June 2014, 12:16:57
I'd pick Deck - for my personal reason(s):

1. An integrated wrist rest is available.
2. Hardwired cable
3. Programmable
4. While the keyboard is made in Asia, I'm sure a few dollars stick around in Wisconsin.  Might be important someone who lives/dies by: BUY MURRICAN.
5. Between ABS and PBT I prefer ABS.  However, between double shot PBT and painted backlit ABS - I'll take the PBT.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Hyde on Fri, 13 June 2014, 12:18:52
lol just in this thread there's already 5 sales Deck lost because of font.  Why do they so insist on their "branding"?
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: dante on Fri, 13 June 2014, 12:28:19
lol just in this thread there's already 5 sales Deck lost because of font.  Why do they so insist on their "branding"?

They may revisit changing the font if Ducky rolls out backlit doubleshot PBT.  The Deck division of TG3 is probably a "hole in the wall" ... when developing the new boards they probably had to make cutbacks somewhere.  Ie: Keep the same keycap construction and change the font?  Or improve the keycaps and keep the same.

Maybe down the road when word gets out and they receive more scathing reviews they will reconsider.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Justintoxicated on Fri, 13 June 2014, 12:58:21
I'd pick Deck - for my personal reason(s):

1. An integrated wrist rest is available.
2. Hardwired cable
3. Programmable
4. While the keyboard is made in Asia, I'm sure a few dollars stick around in Wisconsin.  Might be important someone who lives/dies by: BUY MURRICAN.
5. Between ABS and PBT I prefer ABS.  However, between double shot PBT and painted backlit ABS - I'll take the PBT.

So maybe double abs is the way to go then?
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: minho on Fri, 13 June 2014, 13:27:32
I'd pick Deck - for my personal reason(s):

1. An integrated wrist rest is available.
2. Hardwired cable
3. Programmable
4. While the keyboard is made in Asia, I'm sure a few dollars stick around in Wisconsin.  Might be important someone who lives/dies by: BUY MURRICAN.
5. Between ABS and PBT I prefer ABS.  However, between double shot PBT and painted backlit ABS - I'll take the PBT.

So maybe double abs is the way to go then?

WHICH YOU CAN GET FOR CHEAP AND SUPER SEXY in the TaiHao group buy. Check out my signature!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Justintoxicated on Fri, 13 June 2014, 16:06:05
I'd pick Deck - for my personal reason(s):

1. An integrated wrist rest is available.
2. Hardwired cable
3. Programmable
4. While the keyboard is made in Asia, I'm sure a few dollars stick around in Wisconsin.  Might be important someone who lives/dies by: BUY MURRICAN.
5. Between ABS and PBT I prefer ABS.  However, between double shot PBT and painted backlit ABS - I'll take the PBT.

So maybe double abs is the way to go then?

WHICH YOU CAN GET FOR CHEAP AND SUPER SEXY in the TaiHao group buy. Check out my signature!  :thumb:

But those won't illuminate the letters?  Or are you saying that those are shot with an opaque white like these? 
http://www.maxkeyboard.com/images/overview/Blackbird-TKL-KEY-CAPS-920.jpg

I think the blackbird keycaps illuminate so well do to the post being part of the opaque injection.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: minho on Fri, 13 June 2014, 16:08:31
I'd pick Deck - for my personal reason(s):

1. An integrated wrist rest is available.
2. Hardwired cable
3. Programmable
4. While the keyboard is made in Asia, I'm sure a few dollars stick around in Wisconsin.  Might be important someone who lives/dies by: BUY MURRICAN.
5. Between ABS and PBT I prefer ABS.  However, between double shot PBT and painted backlit ABS - I'll take the PBT.

So maybe double abs is the way to go then?

WHICH YOU CAN GET FOR CHEAP AND SUPER SEXY in the TaiHao group buy. Check out my signature!  :thumb:

But those won't illuminate the letters?  Or are you saying that those are shot with an opaque white like these?
http://www.maxkeyboard.com/images/overview/Blackbird-TKL-KEY-CAPS-920.jpg

Nope, won't illuminate the letters. I still prefer the TaiHao ones personally though because of better color choices - plain white on black is a little dull for my tastes, and I prefer an "underglow" backlighting effect also.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Justintoxicated on Fri, 13 June 2014, 16:55:11
I'd pick Deck - for my personal reason(s):

1. An integrated wrist rest is available.
2. Hardwired cable
3. Programmable
4. While the keyboard is made in Asia, I'm sure a few dollars stick around in Wisconsin.  Might be important someone who lives/dies by: BUY MURRICAN.
5. Between ABS and PBT I prefer ABS.  However, between double shot PBT and painted backlit ABS - I'll take the PBT.

So maybe double abs is the way to go then?

WHICH YOU CAN GET FOR CHEAP AND SUPER SEXY in the TaiHao group buy. Check out my signature!  :thumb:

But those won't illuminate the letters?  Or are you saying that those are shot with an opaque white like these?
http://www.maxkeyboard.com/images/overview/Blackbird-TKL-KEY-CAPS-920.jpg

Nope, won't illuminate the letters. I still prefer the TaiHao ones personally though because of better color choices - plain white on black is a little dull for my tastes, and I prefer an "underglow" backlighting effect also.

Yea more options would be great there is a seriously limited market for double shots  with translucent plastic.  The blackbird keycaps have plenty of underglow, and the board itself has lights on the side too which leaves a pretty cool effect.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 13 June 2014, 21:39:21
I would choose the ducky over deck all the time just because of the font they use.

I would choose the ducky over deck all the time just because of the font they use.

This.

Same here.

In the Asia-Pacific region, they use Arial (or something very similar) for the legends.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53503.0
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sat, 14 June 2014, 07:39:15
DECK VS DUCKY? When I asked myself the same question I went Deck all the way because Deck has better keycaps.

In the Asia-Pacific region, they use Arial (or something very similar) for the legends.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53503.0

True but but on these Deck is using the same ABS caps that you will find on a Ducky.
The reason I chose Deck over Ducky when I was debating this question earlier this year is because Deck had better keycaps.

SIDE NOTE: I don't give a duck about Deck fugly fonts.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: miroslav on Sat, 14 June 2014, 22:10:30
Hey guys, thanks for the replies. I decided to go with the Ducky Shine III w/ MX Blacks. When I went into the store yesterday to check the Deck, it actually didn't have PBT keycaps so I was a bit sad :(

Note: I will still purchase Deck keyboards regardless just to add to my collection, I mean who can have enough mechanical keyboards right? :D
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 14 June 2014, 22:44:15
Hey guys, thanks for the replies. I decided to go with the Ducky Shine III w/ MX Blacks. When I went into the store yesterday to check the Deck, it actually didn't have PBT keycaps so I was a bit sad :(

Note: I will still purchase Deck keyboards regardless just to add to my collection, I mean who can have enough mechanical keyboards right? :D

A good choice :)
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: minho on Sat, 14 June 2014, 23:08:26
who can have enough mechanical keyboards right? :D

Hear, hear
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: berserkfan on Sun, 15 June 2014, 11:20:42
lol just in this thread there's already 5 sales Deck lost because of font.  Why do they so insist on their "branding"?

They may revisit changing the font if Ducky rolls out backlit doubleshot PBT.  The Deck division of TG3 is probably a "hole in the wall" ... when developing the new boards they probably had to make cutbacks somewhere.  Ie: Keep the same keycap construction and change the font?  Or improve the keycaps and keep the same.

Maybe down the road when word gets out and they receive more scathing reviews they will reconsider.

We've had plenty of debates about this before, including with Deck's people.

They are 100% aware that almost everyone hates their font. Those who do not hate their font are indifferent to it.

They don't care a damn about that.

End of story.

Some businesses don't care about pleasing potential customers, because they already have some solid contracts eg with police departments. Even though I suspect Deck could make 2x as much money easily, they are exercising their constitutional right to make less money.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: BucklingSpring on Sun, 15 June 2014, 18:50:30
They are 100% aware that almost everyone hates their font. Those who do not hate their font are indifferent to it.

They don't care a damn about that.

End of story.

Well put. As a die hard Deck fan, I think you are absolutely right.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: berserkfan on Mon, 16 June 2014, 05:02:19
Even though I suspect Deck could make 2x as much money easily, they are exercising their constitutional right to make less money.

I thought this was the more funny part of my reply.  :p
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Cangai on Sat, 23 August 2014, 07:07:49
I went with the Deck Hassium Pro (US version). I wanted Double Shot PBT keycaps, and didn't really want to buy them after market. The font doesn't really bother me because I don't look at my keys anyway these days. Note the Asian region one shipped to Oceania is ABS), it is distinctively different as it has a Helvetica keycap style).

There is  this option though (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2cpkrm/vortex_announces_their_pbt_backlit_keyset_is_in/) - Vortex's Double Shot Illuminated caps look sweet.

I think Ducky also makes most of their money coming out with "shine" successors. Mechanical keyboards don't really wear out. The keycaps do if they are ABS, but that's about it. They've created a model for people to "upgrade" where there was not one. For me a keyboard lasts multiple computers.

Believe it or not the idea of having a number "1, 2, 3, 4" makes people feel like theirs is old and then they buy a new one. A lot of shine 3 owners were shine 2 owners and so on. The shine 4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GuTxPDSSbY) is due out soon and no doubt people will trade in/buy an additional keyboard for their collection. I think Ducky spends a fair amount on marketing, (sexy girls) etc rather than letting the product speak for itself.

Where as with Deck, you can just upload your own script to the keyboard. There are script libraries (http://www.mechkb.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4) and their language is documented in the manual on their download site.

The plate mounting Deck uses also makes it trivial to replace a faulty switch.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: C5Allroad on Sat, 23 August 2014, 12:01:57
I think the Ducky is $20 cheaper. And nicer font to me.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Cangai on Sat, 23 August 2014, 12:29:49
I think the Ducky is $20 cheaper. And nicer font to me.

If shiny worn keycaps are your thing then I guess - as the Ducky boards use ABS keycaps that wear. The Ducky DK9008G2 does have PBT Dye Sublimated keycaps, but they're still not as good as your Double PBT ones. Mechkb did a comparison (http://www.mechkb.com/blog/mechkb-labs/genuine-deck-hassium-doubleshot) a while back. Also the Dye Sublimated ones that Ducky sell are not transparent, so if you put them in a Shine you won't see the legend at all. You're better off going with blank ones in that case.

Given how much aftermarket keycaps are the $20 extra for it coming with Double Shot PBTs is a bargain.

Now if only they came with the legend style used on those Vortex Caps (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2cpkrm/vortex_announces_their_pbt_backlit_keyset_is_in) it would be truely perfect.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: C5Allroad on Sat, 23 August 2014, 12:31:59
I think the Ducky is $20 cheaper. And nicer font to me.

If shiny worn keycaps are your thing then I guess - as the Ducky boards use ABS keycaps that wear. The Ducky DK9008G2 does have PBT Dye Sublimated keycaps, but they're still not as good as your Double PBT ones. Mechkb did a comparison (http://www.mechkb.com/blog/mechkb-labs/genuine-deck-hassium-doubleshot) a while back. Also the Dye Sublimated ones that Ducky sell are not transparent, so if you put them in a Shine you won't see the legend at all. You're better off going with blank ones in that case.

Given how much aftermarket keycaps are the $20 extra for it coming with Double Shot PBTs is a bargain.

Now if only they came with the legend style used on those Vortex Caps (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2cpkrm/vortex_announces_their_pbt_backlit_keyset_is_in) it would be truely perfect.

I haven't had an issue with my shine 3 (http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)

I wouldn't mind finding a set of stock hassium caps though.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: tbc on Sat, 23 August 2014, 12:38:15
the guy writes like he's a 'paid shill' or wants to be one lol
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Cangai on Sat, 23 August 2014, 12:51:55
I think the Ducky is $20 cheaper. And nicer font to me.

If shiny worn keycaps are your thing then I guess - as the Ducky boards use ABS keycaps that wear. The Ducky DK9008G2 does have PBT Dye Sublimated keycaps, but they're still not as good as your Double PBT ones. Mechkb did a comparison (http://www.mechkb.com/blog/mechkb-labs/genuine-deck-hassium-doubleshot) a while back. Also the Dye Sublimated ones that Ducky sell are not transparent, so if you put them in a Shine you won't see the legend at all. You're better off going with blank ones in that case.

Given how much aftermarket keycaps are the $20 extra for it coming with Double Shot PBTs is a bargain.

Now if only they came with the legend style used on those Vortex Caps (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2cpkrm/vortex_announces_their_pbt_backlit_keyset_is_in) it would be truely perfect.

I haven't had an issue with my shine 3
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(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)


I wouldn't mind finding a set of stock hassium caps though.

I really like those Vortex caps. I wonder if the spacebar will be compatible? The spacebars on the Decks are apparently ABS, I read that is because they tend to warp (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1q2axd/pbt_spacebar_warped_heres_a_simple_fix/).

the guy writes like he's a 'paid shill' or wants to be one lol
Sorry already have a day job, nothing to do with keyboards either. (C/C++ developer).

Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: C5Allroad on Sat, 23 August 2014, 13:00:18
I think the Ducky is $20 cheaper. And nicer font to me.

If shiny worn keycaps are your thing then I guess - as the Ducky boards use ABS keycaps that wear. The Ducky DK9008G2 does have PBT Dye Sublimated keycaps, but they're still not as good as your Double PBT ones. Mechkb did a comparison (http://www.mechkb.com/blog/mechkb-labs/genuine-deck-hassium-doubleshot) a while back. Also the Dye Sublimated ones that Ducky sell are not transparent, so if you put them in a Shine you won't see the legend at all. You're better off going with blank ones in that case.

Given how much aftermarket keycaps are the $20 extra for it coming with Double Shot PBTs is a bargain.

Now if only they came with the legend style used on those Vortex Caps (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2cpkrm/vortex_announces_their_pbt_backlit_keyset_is_in) it would be truely perfect.

I haven't had an issue with my shine 3
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(http://www.cute-factor.com/images/smilies/onion/069.gif)


I wouldn't mind finding a set of stock hassium caps though.

I really like those Vortex caps. I wonder if the spacebar will be compatible? The spacebars on the Decks are apparently ABS, I read that is because they tend to warp (http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1q2axd/pbt_spacebar_warped_heres_a_simple_fix/).

the guy writes like he's a 'paid shill' or wants to be one lol
Sorry already have a day job, nothing to do with keyboards either. (C/C++ developer).
Hmmm, interesting. I didn't know that they warped. I'll have to look into that. You could always just buy a 6.25 space bar anyway.
I would assume that it's compatible since the hassium looks like to have to the same layout as the shine.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Cangai on Sat, 23 August 2014, 13:33:50
Hmmm, interesting. I didn't know that they warped. I'll have to look into that. You could always just buy a 6.25 space bar anyway.
I would assume that it's compatible since the hassium looks like to have to the same layout as the shine.
That's what I gathered too, I wonder if the pole position is in the right place? I noticed the deck key has extra three poles unused. Yet there's only one pole on the actual board and a stabilizer on either end. Maybe that's so you can put the deck spacebar on a nonstandard board like the Leopold FC700R TKL?

(http://i.imgur.com/m00bglQ.jpg)

The Leopold FC500R spacebar is supplied for comparison (both are exactly the same length). The FC500R uses a standard spacebar.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: C5Allroad on Sat, 23 August 2014, 13:34:44
Hmmm, interesting. I didn't know that they warped. I'll have to look into that. You could always just buy a 6.25 space bar anyway.
I would assume that it's compatible since the hassium looks like to have to the same layout as the shine.
That's what I gathered too, I wonder if the pole position is in the right place? I noticed the deck key has extra three poles unused. Yet there's only one pole on the actual board and a stabilizer on either end. Maybe that's so you can put the deck spacebar on a nonstandard board like the Leopold FC700R TKL?

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(http://i.imgur.com/m00bglQ.jpg)

The Leopold FC500R spacebar is supplied for comparison (both are exactly the same length). The FC500R uses a standard spacebar.

Well, if it's a 6.25 I assume that it would fit.
Title: Re: Ducky Shine III or Deck Hassium??
Post by: Cangai on Sat, 23 August 2014, 15:56:24
I got these measurements:

(https://i.imgur.com/e5iYGGZ.jpg)

I was able to reproduce the numbers on this page (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Space_bar_dimensions#6.25_units_.28118mm_wide.2C_3_mounts.2C_42.5_mm_apart.29) with the Leopold board. I did only measure it with a ruler.