Shoulder fly? You mean lateral raise?
Shoulder fly? You mean lateral raise?
They're the same thing
And large shoulders are hard to get; generally guys who do upwards of 30 pound lateral raises or like 75lb dumbbell shoulder presses look like that
If you want shoulders like that, alternate between shoulder presses (machine + dumbbell), raises (dumbbell + resistance bands/ lateral + front), and pair your shoulder day with your bench day so it works your stability.
And don't forget your deltoids ^^
Shoulder fly? You mean lateral raise?
They're the same thing
And large shoulders are hard to get; generally guys who do upwards of 30 pound lateral raises or like 75lb dumbbell shoulder presses look like that
If you want shoulders like that, alternate between shoulder presses (machine + dumbbell), raises (dumbbell + resistance bands/ lateral + front), and pair your shoulder day with your bench day so it works your stability.
And don't forget your deltoids ^^
If you're overhead pressing and bench pressing, you aren't forgetting your deltoids, the largest muscle in your shoulders.
Also, weight is relative. Saying "upwards of 30 pound lateral raises or like 75lb dumbbell shoulder presses" means next to nothing.
Shoulder fly? You mean lateral raise?
They're the same thing
And large shoulders are hard to get; generally guys who do upwards of 30 pound lateral raises or like 75lb dumbbell shoulder presses look like that
If you want shoulders like that, alternate between shoulder presses (machine + dumbbell), raises (dumbbell + resistance bands/ lateral + front), and pair your shoulder day with your bench day so it works your stability.
And don't forget your deltoids ^^
If you're overhead pressing and bench pressing, you aren't forgetting your deltoids, the largest muscle in your shoulders.
Also, weight is relative. Saying "upwards of 30 pound lateral raises or like 75lb dumbbell shoulder presses" means next to nothing.
You don't work your deltoid as the primary muscle if you keep your body vertical most of the time.
And the question itself is flawed, since there are things like the degree to which the muscle is toned , and bone structure.
I'm just giving an estimate of what weight that size of shoulder should be able to deal with.
What weight shoulder-fly do you think this guy is doing.
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He is doing the Obama workout
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He is doing the Obama workout
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I think he's doing the rings like this guy to get shoulders like that.Show Image(https://camo.githubusercontent.com/5c21e6452d690ec518768d0df73d7743eccd3eda/687474703a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f363472646c59722e676966)
As someone who has been doing powertraining for 10 years, I would like to give some advice: start with the basic excercises. Squat, deadlift, bench press, overhead press, rows.
Keep it simple, look at programmes such as stronglifts or starting strength which are good 5x5 programmes to build basic strength. Don't start with those bodybuilder routines, those are designed for people with a better physique.
And the most important part of looking as in the OP is being aware of what you eat. Don't believe all that powder and supplement stuff, eat healthy (lots of veggies, lean meat, not too much bread or other carbs).
That list, it's very different from what I was thinking of doing.. (more isolation workouts)..
You're saying I should do broad workouts that engage more muscle groups instead?
Exactly, I am a firm believer of starting with compound exercises, such as those that I mentioned. You engage multiple muscles at once making a training a whole body training. You benefit because you don't spend as long as with isolating and targeting each muscle group. The key with compound exercises is to learn to lift heavy. If you can do those exercises properly (with good technique and heavy weights), believe me, you will notice some change on your body. I strongly suggest to look into stronglifts, starting strength or similar programs. Pick a good routine and stick to it. I started stronglifts 3 years ago after always doing split routines and it improved me a lot. I am not advocating for this particular routine, but for the principle of it, to keep it simple, to train heavy and to stick to it.
And I will repeat again, most important part to looking ripped is your diet. I can't do it so I pack some belly fat which means no six-pack, but I don't mind, I still look great and more important, the wife doesn't like those ripped bodies
Fitness and Nutrition major and personal trainer here. Agree with JackMills. Do your big compound movements, worry about foofy assistance movements later when you've put on some strength/mass. Avoid supplements like the plague, eat animals and plants.
No, eat them! That's where all the nutrients of the egg are, and most people actually tend to have sensitivities to the whites. Yolks are a great source of fats, B vitamins, lutein, Vitamin D, E, omega-3s, tryptophan, choline, magnesium, and much more...one of the most dense nutrient sources on earth.
Cholesterol is not a problem for most people, unless you have a pre-existing condition or hereditary issues metabolizing it. Cholesterol is important for your body's ability to repair itself, among other things. It's really only bad when combined with a diet high in processed foods derived from grains, and sugar. Otherwise, dietary cholesterol =/= blood cholesterol.
I wouldn't eat all of them, but I'd say eat a few whole eggs instead of separating them. When you see "bodybuilders" eating only egg whites, it's because they have certain macronutrient goals in mind and probably don't want the extra fat in their diet.
Eat clen, tren hard, get swole.+1
That said, you should forget shoulder / arm strength and just go for the core. That's the one muscle group that matters most.it's not one group.
I never did any weights, but my workouts as a gymnast were pretty tough.
I would say, the guy's got it right with the muscle ups on the rings. You can also practise back levers and maltese isometric presses. Those things are really good for you. After some time, try to work your way up to a planche or planche push ups.
If you're interested, I can give you some tips on those maltese isometric presses. There wasn't much info online when I did a search. My coach was a physical therapist, so she knew pretty much everything.
That said, you should forget shoulder / arm strength and just go for the core. That's the one muscle group that matters most.
Yeah, obscure gymnastic specific exercises are the last thing you should be trying to do.
Although. I'm not sure I have the time to develop the strength required to do things on the ring.. all the dudes doing those exercises look like they have legs for arms...If you're starting off a little lower-end, there are other exercises you can try instead. I'm happy to mention others that are a bit more basic and less focused if you like.
I never did any weights, but my workouts as a gymnast were pretty tough.
I would say, the guy's got it right with the muscle ups on the rings. You can also practise back levers and maltese isometric presses. Those things are really good for you. After some time, try to work your way up to a planche or planche push ups.
If you're interested, I can give you some tips on those maltese isometric presses. There wasn't much info online when I did a search. My coach was a physical therapist, so she knew pretty much everything.
That said, you should forget shoulder / arm strength and just go for the core. That's the one muscle group that matters most.
isolate the muscleThat's not what a beginner should be doing. They should be focusing on the foundation of strength-building and hypertrophy inducing movements that can be progressively overloaded and recorded. Even if they did want to start trying these gymnast exercises, they should only be used as supplements to an existing routine. Squats, deadlifts, overhead press, rows, chins, etc. Those are the movements he should be doing to build a strong foundation before dabbling in maltese.
An actual maltese hold is dangerous and unsuitable for a beginner lifter like OP. Unless you're working with an Olympics level gymnastic coach, there is no reason to even attempt such an exercise.absolutely agreed 100%. That's why I never recommended the Maltese hold. A maltese isometric press (as we called it) is much different, and involves a spotter. I was never olympic level and I did them. We even had the 6-year-olds doing them.
It should have been pretty clear from my post what level of expertise I was targeting with my recommendations. On reflection, and especially given the OP's feedback, I suggested that some less-advanced strength training be done.isolate the muscleThat's not what a beginner should be doing. They should be focusing on the foundation of strength-building and hypertrophy inducing movements that can be progressively overloaded and recorded. Even if they did want to start trying these gymnast exercises, they should only be used as supplements to an existing routine. Squats, deadlifts, overhead press, rows, chins, etc. Those are the movements he should be doing to build a strong foundation before dabbling in maltese.
That said, if you enjoy those movements (and actually know how to do them properly) and don't care about making maximum progress, have at it.
I never did any weights, but my workouts as a gymnast were pretty tough.
I would say, the guy's got it right with the muscle ups on the rings. You can also practise back levers and maltese isometric presses. Those things are really good for you. After some time, try to work your way up to a planche or planche push ups.
If you're interested, I can give you some tips on those maltese isometric presses. There wasn't much info online when I did a search. My coach was a physical therapist, so she knew pretty much everything.
That said, you should forget shoulder / arm strength and just go for the core. That's the one muscle group that matters most.
I am definitely interested! I have been looking at incorporating other things in to my work out routine other than just straight weight lifting.
About the goals of all this: the OP mentioned training for physique. Now, such aesthetic ideals have changed with time (look up photos of "strong men" online), and research suggests that the "jacked" physique is less attractive to women (in general). It's a very personal aesthetic choice as to what physique you want to maintain, and an ideal I certainly wouldn't want to pressure someone in to. (just like I don't comment on a person's hair colour, or choice of facial hair: it's up to them). If the OP wants to build his physique in a certain way, he can do that. If he wants to get shoulders like that guy, there are ways to do that as well. I listed some exercises that will get him there, assuming he has a foundation, a spotter, some idea, etc. (and wants to only work out that area I guess..? I don't judge.)
Guys... I really appreciate both sides of advice.... and I find them both helpful... as it has made me realize that there is probably an aspect of balance between pushing for power/size and control/ techniqueShow Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/pretty-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862516)
Have you tried this? It looks to works out those troublesome deltoids that you are asking about.