Thanks for answer!
Non-delid.
I use the CPU for 100 FPS sc2 streaming, which is necesary. I only barely get that with 4.4 ghz.
It takes between 1 and 10 minutes to get to 98 max, probably more during long runs.
Not sure which test of prime, but i think its max cuz it says 100% load in realtemp.
I changed multiplier and voltage as well as ram timing, but I will put ram back to stock right now.
Turbo is enabled and enhanced.
I used bios to overclock.
What air coolers do you recommend?
Its very, very, very easy to delid.
Its very, very, very easy to delid.
note: make sure your processor is possible to de-lid and not one of those ones where the lid is soldered on.
In other news: I have a sweet processor keychain on my keyring now.
It takes between 1 and 10 minutes to get to 98 max, probably more during long runs.
It takes between 1 and 10 minutes to get to 98 max, probably more during long runs.
your cooler isn't up to snuff, what you want is very taxing on the hyper212, which is a very high quality barebones cooler.
you're basically really thermal loading that poor h212
go watercooling if have the budget, the all in one, closed loop ones are great and give serious dedicated 250$ user created water cooling for it's money
corsair is what i use, so thats what i'm familiar with
the cheapest is 60bucks for a single rad, i'd recommend for your setup a double rad, 240mm, thats like the h100 for 99bucks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=corsair%20hydro&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=100
my 8core amd is stock 3500 and my max overclock is 4230, of course it can actually go 4400 and like you i've had the odd blue screen and 4230 is max i'm comfortable with (since it's my work computer i never want it to bluescreen)
i have it run with speedfan, and 99% of my day it's on silent.
most high end air coolers are 60 to 70 bucks anyway and thats usually without fans, and super loud, once these self contained watercoolers became super good i stopped buying high end air coolers.
Thanks for answer!
Non-delid.
I use the CPU for 100 FPS sc2 streaming, which is necesary. I only barely get that with 4.4 ghz.
It takes between 1 and 10 minutes to get to 98 max, probably more during long runs.
Not sure which test of prime, but i think its max cuz it says 100% load in realtemp.
I changed multiplier and voltage as well as ram timing, but I will put ram back to stock right now.
Turbo is enabled and enhanced.
I used bios to overclock.
What air coolers do you recommend?
Prime 95 has a number of different tests (small/large fft, blend). They all test different aspects of the CPU/platform, but they will all load the CPU 100%. I personally don't use prime for testing CPUs, because I find it sometimes doesn't truly demonstrate stability under short runs. I've run Prime for 12 hours with no issues and still had an unstable system. Instead, I recommend testing using LinPack (LinX), which tends to give quicker and more accurate results for system stability. Run the test in safe mode, or after a reboot. If you're running after a boot, close any unnecessary processes directly after system startup, then let the machine sit idle for about 10 minutes. Run only one temperature monitoring application. Tell the test how much memory it can use by looking at free physical memory in task manager and select 200-300MB less. Run the test for at least an hour, and for at least 15 passes. (instructions source) (http://www.overclock.net/t/645392/how-to-run-linpack-stress-test-linx-ibt-properly-an-explanation-maybe-a-guide)
Thanks for answer!
Non-delid.
I use the CPU for 100 FPS sc2 streaming, which is necesary. I only barely get that with 4.4 ghz.
It takes between 1 and 10 minutes to get to 98 max, probably more during long runs.
Not sure which test of prime, but i think its max cuz it says 100% load in realtemp.
I changed multiplier and voltage as well as ram timing, but I will put ram back to stock right now.
Turbo is enabled and enhanced.
I used bios to overclock.
What air coolers do you recommend?
Prime 95 has a number of different tests (small/large fft, blend). They all test different aspects of the CPU/platform, but they will all load the CPU 100%. I personally don't use prime for testing CPUs, because I find it sometimes doesn't truly demonstrate stability under short runs. I've run Prime for 12 hours with no issues and still had an unstable system. Instead, I recommend testing using LinPack (LinX), which tends to give quicker and more accurate results for system stability. Run the test in safe mode, or after a reboot. If you're running after a boot, close any unnecessary processes directly after system startup, then let the machine sit idle for about 10 minutes. Run only one temperature monitoring application. Tell the test how much memory it can use by looking at free physical memory in task manager and select 200-300MB less. Run the test for at least an hour, and for at least 15 passes. (instructions source) (http://www.overclock.net/t/645392/how-to-run-linpack-stress-test-linx-ibt-properly-an-explanation-maybe-a-guide)
Why is it necessary to stream at 100fps? Most monitors can't display more than 60fps in any case. If you were to drop the streaming to 60 or 80, you could probably save yourself a lot of headache.
The practically undisputed master of air cooling is Noctua's NH-D14. Their NH-U14S is a slightly cheaper proposition as well. Scythe makes some good designs as well. Can't speak about any of these from personal experience though.
The fact that you overclocked the RAM as well brings up an interesting point. Try running HCI Memtest on your OC'd RAM. Again, run it after a reboot or in safe mode. Run one instance of Memtest per thread on your CPU, and split the available physical memory approximately evenly between them. It could be a RAM problem you're dealing with, after all.
It *sounds* to me like your OC technique is okay -- I haven't read anything that's a red flag, at least -- but I can't say for sure. There are recommendations floating around out there about disabling turbo entirely for OC, but there are recommendations in the other direction as well. I'd say just stick with what you have, or find a specific guide and follow it.
Hm, do you have a razer mouse by any chance?
It takes between 1 and 10 minutes to get to 98 max, probably more during long runs.
your cooler isn't up to snuff, what you want is very taxing on the hyper212, which is a very high quality barebones cooler.
you're basically really thermal loading that poor h212
go watercooling if have the budget, the all in one, closed loop ones are great and give serious dedicated 250$ user created water cooling for it's money
corsair is what i use, so thats what i'm familiar with
the cheapest is 60bucks for a single rad, i'd recommend for your setup a double rad, 240mm, thats like the h100 for 99bucks
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=corsair%20hydro&bop=And&Order=PRICE&PageSize=100
my 8core amd is stock 3500 and my max overclock is 4230, of course it can actually go 4400 and like you i've had the odd blue screen and 4230 is max i'm comfortable with (since it's my work computer i never want it to bluescreen)
i have it run with speedfan, and 99% of my day it's on silent.
most high end air coolers are 60 to 70 bucks anyway and thats usually without fans, and super loud, once these self contained watercoolers became super good i stopped buying high end air coolers.
Thanks for answer!
Non-delid.
I use the CPU for 100 FPS sc2 streaming, which is necesary. I only barely get that with 4.4 ghz.
It takes between 1 and 10 minutes to get to 98 max, probably more during long runs.
Not sure which test of prime, but i think its max cuz it says 100% load in realtemp.
I changed multiplier and voltage as well as ram timing, but I will put ram back to stock right now.
Turbo is enabled and enhanced.
I used bios to overclock.
What air coolers do you recommend?
Prime 95 has a number of different tests (small/large fft, blend). They all test different aspects of the CPU/platform, but they will all load the CPU 100%. I personally don't use prime for testing CPUs, because I find it sometimes doesn't truly demonstrate stability under short runs. I've run Prime for 12 hours with no issues and still had an unstable system. Instead, I recommend testing using LinPack (LinX), which tends to give quicker and more accurate results for system stability. Run the test in safe mode, or after a reboot. If you're running after a boot, close any unnecessary processes directly after system startup, then let the machine sit idle for about 10 minutes. Run only one temperature monitoring application. Tell the test how much memory it can use by looking at free physical memory in task manager and select 200-300MB less. Run the test for at least an hour, and for at least 15 passes. (instructions source) (http://www.overclock.net/t/645392/how-to-run-linpack-stress-test-linx-ibt-properly-an-explanation-maybe-a-guide)
I find that neither P95 and LinPack tests are great on their own for a rock solid OC, but together they work amazingly.
For the primary stability test [on default settings] I like to run LinPack for an hour (or 13~15 tests) and follow it up with P95 blend test for ~30 hrs (should be enough time for nearly 3 full passes of tests) and MemTest for about the same amount of time, this should tell you if your hardware is alright to begin with. While overclocking I'll only run LinPack (1 hour or 15+ tests) until I find a max stable setting and proceed to the 30 hour P95 blend tests. Should any workers on P95 fail at any time; diagnose, try to correct it (there should be lists of error codes floating around that will give you an idea of what went wrong), and start back over with LinPack > P95.
P95's Small FFT test has been said to be good for quick stability testing, but I find LinPack is better at making unstable settings fail quickly.
Itīs imperative that I stay at least above 90 fps.
Itīs imperative that I stay at least above 90 fps.
Why?
I'm just curious where you're streaming this competitive level RTS that allows you to stream in 90+ fps. Twitch?
I'm just curious where you're streaming this competitive level RTS that allows you to stream in 90+ fps. Twitch?
Yeah, twitch. You misunderstand the conception of fps here. I am streaming "60" fps, but my computer fps drops when i stream, from which i need more than 100 fps :)
Well water cooling is the same installation as air, right? no need for maintenance or pumping water into the system?
Why is it necessary to stream at 100fps? Most monitors can't display more than 60fps in any case.
Monitors can run at different refresh rates up to 144 hz. So yes, it is possible to run at higher rates. However, most monitors today still run at 60hz. 60hz = 60 updates per second, so anything more than 60fps will have frames rendered by the GPU faster than the monitor can display them. Nvidia's gsync is one technology that actually changes the refresh rate of the monitor to work with different framerates. 60fps on an LCD is a different experience than 60fps on a CRT because of the underlying technologies behind the different display types. I can't manage with a 60hz CRT either, but 60hz LCD is a different story.
I'm just curious where you're streaming this competitive level RTS that allows you to stream in 90+ fps. Twitch?
Yeah, twitch. You misunderstand the conception of fps here. I am streaming "60" fps, but my computer fps drops when i stream, from which i need more than 100 fps :)
Ahhh, I see. Welp, sorry for derailing your thread then.
You should look into watercooling though. I had a blast making the switch from air to water. It's like the thrill of building a PC for the first time all over again, but better.
I was referring to a GPU+CPU loop, not just CPU; I would never recommend that. Water is not a waste on Nvidia cards, as you can simply flash a custom BIOS and unlock the voltage to push them much further. I run both of my 780s under water at 1.325V. However, I think the 780 Ti is locked indefinitely, and cannot be unlocked with a custom BIOS; at least that was the case last I checked...I haven't payed much attention to it lately.
Water is not worth it on any current -INTEL- CPU.. it doesn't even make much a difference if you don't delid..
and AFTER you delid.. it'd be a total waste of money, because any $20 air-cooler can give you the same temperatures as the $100 AIO water-coolers..
on GPU then, water is completely worth it if you're using AMD cards..
on Nvidia, they don't run hot, and they are voltage locked tightly such that even if you got water, you can't push them much further anyway, so water is a waste on Nvidia Cards.
So on AMD cards... Water cooling is especially good, and I'd even say NECESSARY on the new 290 and 290x cards... The performance difference is around 10-15% with and without water because of heavy throttling..
I was referring to a GPU+CPU loop, not just CPU; I would never recommend that. Water is not a waste on Nvidia cards, as you can simply flash a custom BIOS and unlock the voltage to push them much further. I run both of my 780s under water at 1.325V. However, I think the 780 Ti is locked indefinitely, and cannot be unlocked with a custom BIOS; at least that was the case last I checked...I haven't payed much attention to it lately.
Water is not worth it on any current -INTEL- CPU.. it doesn't even make much a difference if you don't delid..
and AFTER you delid.. it'd be a total waste of money, because any $20 air-cooler can give you the same temperatures as the $100 AIO water-coolers..
on GPU then, water is completely worth it if you're using AMD cards..
on Nvidia, they don't run hot, and they are voltage locked tightly such that even if you got water, you can't push them much further anyway, so water is a waste on Nvidia Cards.
So on AMD cards... Water cooling is especially good, and I'd even say NECESSARY on the new 290 and 290x cards... The performance difference is around 10-15% with and without water because of heavy throttling..
AMD cards, yes water is extremely beneficial. Their newer R9 cards are hot as lava. But afaik they do not throttle much, if at all. They were designed to run hot.
Also, with custom water my 3570k runs much cooler than with a close loop cooler, or under air. I was also able to push more voltage.
Why? Because it's fun, it's quiet, it looks cool, and it allows me to push more voltage through my CPU+GPU so I can achieve higher overclocks with lower temps. It's more practical in a small form factor case with poor airflow, or with 2+ GPUs.I was referring to a GPU+CPU loop, not just CPU; I would never recommend that. Water is not a waste on Nvidia cards, as you can simply flash a custom BIOS and unlock the voltage to push them much further. I run both of my 780s under water at 1.325V. However, I think the 780 Ti is locked indefinitely, and cannot be unlocked with a custom BIOS; at least that was the case last I checked...I haven't payed much attention to it lately.
Water is not worth it on any current -INTEL- CPU.. it doesn't even make much a difference if you don't delid..
and AFTER you delid.. it'd be a total waste of money, because any $20 air-cooler can give you the same temperatures as the $100 AIO water-coolers..
on GPU then, water is completely worth it if you're using AMD cards..
on Nvidia, they don't run hot, and they are voltage locked tightly such that even if you got water, you can't push them much further anyway, so water is a waste on Nvidia Cards.
So on AMD cards... Water cooling is especially good, and I'd even say NECESSARY on the new 290 and 290x cards... The performance difference is around 10-15% with and without water because of heavy throttling..
AMD cards, yes water is extremely beneficial. Their newer R9 cards are hot as lava. But afaik they do not throttle much, if at all. They were designed to run hot.
Also, with custom water my 3570k runs much cooler than with a close loop cooler, or under air. I was also able to push more voltage.
While it may be true that a GPU + CPU loop would run cooler.. the question is WHY.....
cpu blocks cost money, tubing costs money, setup time, time is money..
No matter how good it is, if you get nothing out of it.. no increased performance from the CPU.. then that's just wasted capacity..
It makes more sense to solely cool the GPU, and avoid the risk of hosing your Cpu with water all together.Show Image(http://eemoticons.net/Upload/Big%20Onion/th_123.gif)
ontop of that, with only the GPU to cool you can run the pump and fan at lower rpms, extending their lifetime..
The CPU and GPU will be obsolete long before they die, even under Heavy OC.. so.. there's really no point in wasting your cooling capcity on the CPU.
If you're freezing and hanging up at 4.4 then you either have to downclock to a stable clock or use a different cpu.
Some Ivy just won't handle those speeds and it seems like you got a "lemon"...
off topic: Ohhh the AquaComp pump/res combo... Nice caselabs too!!!
I wouldn't be as harsh, but I can't deny you're right... :))If you're freezing and hanging up at 4.4 then you either have to downclock to a stable clock or use a different cpu.
Some Ivy just won't handle those speeds and it seems like you got a "lemon"...
off topic: Ohhh the AquaComp pump/res combo... Nice caselabs too!!!
he's probably got all the vital settings wrong.. but since he's too lazy to post his bios shots, we will never know..
I've Never seen any K series that couldn't do at least 4.7...
All the low reports are by n00bs who don't know what they're doing..
A few of my friend's friends got ivys a while back,, they couldn't get past 4.0...
I show up.. boom 4.7, 4.8 all around..
I wouldn't be as harsh, but I can't deny you're right... :))If you're freezing and hanging up at 4.4 then you either have to downclock to a stable clock or use a different cpu.
Some Ivy just won't handle those speeds and it seems like you got a "lemon"...
off topic: Ohhh the AquaComp pump/res combo... Nice caselabs too!!!
he's probably got all the vital settings wrong.. but since he's too lazy to post his bios shots, we will never know..
I've Never seen any K series that couldn't do at least 4.7...
All the low reports are by n00bs who don't know what they're doing..
A few of my friend's friends got ivys a while back,, they couldn't get past 4.0...
I show up.. boom 4.7, 4.8 all around..
Now, If you move up to haswell... That was the easiest OC of my life.
I read your exploits with the anniversary... You can't beat that at $105!!!I wouldn't be as harsh, but I can't deny you're right... :))If you're freezing and hanging up at 4.4 then you either have to downclock to a stable clock or use a different cpu.
Some Ivy just won't handle those speeds and it seems like you got a "lemon"...
off topic: Ohhh the AquaComp pump/res combo... Nice caselabs too!!!
he's probably got all the vital settings wrong.. but since he's too lazy to post his bios shots, we will never know..
I've Never seen any K series that couldn't do at least 4.7...
All the low reports are by n00bs who don't know what they're doing..
A few of my friend's friends got ivys a while back,, they couldn't get past 4.0...
I show up.. boom 4.7, 4.8 all around..
Now, If you move up to haswell... That was the easiest OC of my life.
um... depends..
I got a 4770 now, had a 4670, both were pretty easy to oc due to lack of vrm stabilization problems like on 3xxx and 2xxx..
but the Easiest to OC has to be my current G3258, it just works.. plugged it in tweaked 1 voltage, boom 4.8ghzShow Image(http://eemoticons.net/Upload/Big%20Onion/th_124.gif)
but I think I might keep it @ 4.6 for summer time operation... since I might throw it some light server duty in an un-ac-ed room
I read your exploits with the anniversary... You can't beat that at $105!!!I wouldn't be as harsh, but I can't deny you're right... :))If you're freezing and hanging up at 4.4 then you either have to downclock to a stable clock or use a different cpu.
Some Ivy just won't handle those speeds and it seems like you got a "lemon"...
off topic: Ohhh the AquaComp pump/res combo... Nice caselabs too!!!
he's probably got all the vital settings wrong.. but since he's too lazy to post his bios shots, we will never know..
I've Never seen any K series that couldn't do at least 4.7...
All the low reports are by n00bs who don't know what they're doing..
A few of my friend's friends got ivys a while back,, they couldn't get past 4.0...
I show up.. boom 4.7, 4.8 all around..
Now, If you move up to haswell... That was the easiest OC of my life.
um... depends..
I got a 4770 now, had a 4670, both were pretty easy to oc due to lack of vrm stabilization problems like on 3xxx and 2xxx..
but the Easiest to OC has to be my current G3258, it just works.. plugged it in tweaked 1 voltage, boom 4.8ghzShow Image(http://eemoticons.net/Upload/Big%20Onion/th_124.gif)
but I think I might keep it @ 4.6 for summer time operation... since I might throw it some light server duty in an un-ac-ed room
Monitors can run at different refresh rates up to 144 hz. So yes, it is possible to run at higher rates. However, most monitors today still run at 60hz. 60hz = 60 updates per second, so anything more than 60fps will have frames rendered by the GPU faster than the monitor can display them.You'll still see the frames rendered by the gpu even if you're going over 60fps. Each frame is a slice of the screen and not the whole screen so above 60fps you're still gonna see more frames updated each screen refresh.