I'm currently using these caps:
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets/products/bsp-classic-beige
At work, I need to use o-rings. But I find that with such low profile keys the travel distance becomes too short.
I'm currently using these caps:
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets/products/bsp-classic-beige
At work, I need to use o-rings. But I find that with such low profile keys the travel distance becomes too short.
Don't use low-profile keys.
Use proper "OEM Height" keycaps and everything will work the way it is supposed to.
I'm currently using these caps:
http://www.originativeco.com/collections/keysets/products/bsp-classic-beige
At work, I need to use o-rings. But I find that with such low profile keys the travel distance becomes too short.
Don't use low-profile keys.
Use proper "OEM Height" keycaps and everything will work the way it is supposed to.
Cherry keycaps may look like short profile, but they actually have the same travel distance as any other profile.
Cherry keycaps may look like short profile, but they actually have the same travel distance as any other profile.They only have the same travel distance if you forget to install padding under the keycaps. With padding installed, the travel gets reduced with "Cherry-Profile" keycaps.
Cherry keycaps may look like short profile, but they actually have the same travel distance as any other profile.The travel distance without O-rings is always 4 mm with or without keycaps. When you bottom out, the slider hits the bottom of the switch housing, and there is still a gap between the top of the switch and the struts inside the keycap. The size of this gap is different between different types of keys, but always large enough so that the keycap never touches the switch's top housing.
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When you are saying : "SP's DCS profile do not even have any struts so they don't work with O-rings".
Do you mean that SP keycaps do not have any crossbar :Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wMOYaeu.jpg)
If so, why a big O-ring would not do the same job than a thinner O-ring + crossbar ?
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When you are saying : "SP's DCS profile do not even have any struts so they don't work with O-rings".
Do you mean that SP keycaps do not have any crossbar :Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wMOYaeu.jpg)
If so, why a big O-ring would not do the same job than a thinner O-ring + crossbar ?
Because, if I'm not mistaken, the reason for having crossbar is so that the distance between the o-ring and the top of the key will be the same. Because different rows have different profiles the crossbar varies in size. Hence, using o-rings without crossbars is troublesome because the effect will be different across different rows.
WASD thin o-rings work great..the normal ones reduce travel a bit too much..
You could try these (http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1774), they are bit harder... might get a better price elsewhere but I don't feel like hunting.
I use 3/16" medium orthodontic rubber bands with Cherry profile. They are perfect for Cherry profile, too thin for OEM profile.Cherry keycaps may look like short profile, but they actually have the same travel distance as any other profile.The travel distance without O-rings is always 4 mm with or without keycaps. When you bottom out, the slider hits the bottom of the switch housing, and there is still a gap between the top of the switch and the struts inside the keycap. The size of this gap is different between different types of keys, but always large enough so that the keycap never touches the switch's top housing.
When you install O-rings, you put them inside that gap and only then does the size of the gap affect the travel distance. Some keycaps, like SP's DCS profile do not even have any struts so they don't work with O-rings, and you would instead have to do the "trampoline mod" with the switches themselves to get dampening.
Just buy the Small o-rings from IMSTO and be done with it. They work perfectly on cherry profile. I use them all the time.
Just buy the Small o-rings from IMSTO and be done with it. They work perfectly on cherry profile. I use them all the time.
Just to be sure, you're saying that 0,05mm will make a difference? :P
I'm using these o-rings, they are 1.5mm apx thick.
1.5mm vs 1.45mm 0.05mm difference.
http://www.keyboardco.com/product/o-ring-switch-dampeners-for-filco-keyboards.asp
Here is a picture of a standard oem filco keycap with the red o-ring and the bsp one with it. I hope it is apparent from the picture that the travel distance on the bsp one is a lot smaller than the oem one and that the bsp travel is pretty short overall! I'm baffled that so few have the same problem as me with the cherry profile (bear in mind that without the o-rings, I find the travel distance too long), the travel distance with the oem size keycap and the red o-ring is perfect imo. Swill, on a old post of yours here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53174.msg1186392.msg#1186392 , you said that when using OEM keycaps you recommend an o-ring which is ~1.75mm, ~3.5mm of travel. I don't understand that because I find that this 1.5mm one is perfect :P Since Imsto's are apparently identical to my 1.5mm o-rings i will need to look further.
Regarding dental bands, Are they harder than the "red type wasd" which seems to be the standard for soft o-rings? That would be worse since i dislike hard o-rings, i like the soft cushioning of soft o-rings better, and the hardness make the travel distance shortening feel more severe imo.
Here is a picture of a standard oem filco keycap with the red o-ring and the bsp one with it. I hope it is apparent from the picture that the travel distance on the bsp one is a lot smaller than the oem one and that the bsp travel is pretty short overall! I'm baffled that so few have the same problem as me with the cherry profile (bear in mind that without the o-rings, I find the travel distance too long), the travel distance with the oem size keycap and the red o-ring is perfect imo. Swill, on a old post of yours here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53174.msg1186392.msg#1186392 , you said that when using OEM keycaps you recommend an o-ring which is ~1.75mm, ~3.5mm of travel. I don't understand that because I find that this 1.5mm one is perfect :P Since Imsto's are apparently identical to my 1.5mm o-rings i will need to look further.
Regarding dental bands, Are they harder than the "red type wasd" which seems to be the standard for soft o-rings? That would be worse since i dislike hard o-rings, i like the soft cushioning of soft o-rings better, and the hardness make the travel distance shortening feel more severe imo.
The 'red o-rings' I am referring to in my post are IMSTO 'small' o-rings there are many sizes of red o-rings, so this is not a good way to identify o-rings sizes.
Another point to make is every person will like something a bit different, it is personal taste. For me, I like to reduce the 4mm travel to about 3.5mm. For my cherry profile thick PBT caps, that was a 1.45mm o-ring. To get the same 3.5mm travel distance I like with OEM caps, I had to use 1.75mm o-rings.
A 1.45mm o-ring on OEM caps barely changed the travel distance at all. It reduced the travel distance by 0.05mm. Keep in mind that the tolerance for measuring o-rings is about +/- 0.1mm given their tendency deform when measured.
Just buy some of these from IMSTO and put them in the switches: http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&path=61&product_id=88
Don't need to play with orings any more. They feel better, too.
Just buy some of these from IMSTO and put them in the switches: http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&path=61&product_id=88
Don't need to play with orings any more. They feel better, too.
Ya, I have a whole bunch of those coming so I can test.
Even with those, it will be perfect for some and not to others taste, so they probably will not completely replace orings.
Just buy some of these from IMSTO and put them in the switches: http://imsto.cn/index.php?route=product/product&path=61&product_id=88
Don't need to play with orings any more. They feel better, too.
Ya, I have a whole bunch of those coming so I can test.
Even with those, it will be perfect for some and not to others taste, so they probably will not completely replace orings.
That's true.. I guess I should have rather said "they feel better to me / suit me more".
Bought them from IMSTO. Got a nice aluminium plate for my Pure at the same time :)
I bought 7 bags (around 200 in each bag), so I have enough for quite a few boards!
After using them for a while I think I prefer them to the rubber sheet "trampolines" I made. I kind of like the oring pieces (cut from red orings and popped into the tubes) even more, but they're not as consistent as using these balls. what I like about this mod is that you can tailor it to your own tastes (by using longer or shorter, softer or harder pieces of rubber). The balls work well as a drop-in solution. They damp the bottom out sound and shock well. I think they feel the most like orings (OEM medium PBT caps with red orings) of the three types I have tried, but not quite the same.
I definitely prefer them to orings in terms of feeling and it's nice not to have to fiddle with orings when changing caps, especially when installing DCS profile caps.
Bought them from IMSTO. Got a nice aluminium plate for my Pure at the same time :)
I bought 7 bags (around 200 in each bag), so I have enough for quite a few boards!
After using them for a while I think I prefer them to the rubber sheet "trampolines" I made. I kind of like the oring pieces (cut from red orings and popped into the tubes) even more, but they're not as consistent as using these balls. what I like about this mod is that you can tailor it to your own tastes (by using longer or shorter, softer or harder pieces of rubber). The balls work well as a drop-in solution. They damp the bottom out sound and shock well. I think they feel the most like orings (OEM medium PBT caps with red orings) of the three types I have tried, but not quite the same.
I definitely prefer them to orings in terms of feeling and it's nice not to have to fiddle with orings when changing caps, especially when installing DCS profile caps.
Do they shorten the travel distance?