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geekhack Community => Other Geeky Stuff => Topic started by: jdcarpe on Thu, 24 July 2014, 15:55:35
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Post your MBP questions and answers here. :)
I'll go first:
1. Which one should I get?
2. Should I wait? Is Broadwell really coming soon? Will there be a new 2014 MBP release?
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Make sure to get the best processor you can afford. I got an i7 but at the time they only offered 2.2 ghz :/ but at least it has speedboost or whatever. It's still insanely fast and has never lagged once! I love MacBook pros. Haven't upgraded os since lion, I enjoy it!
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broadwell is suppose to give you a hardcore 8 hr+ experience..
but overall.. I don't see the appeal.. who uses a laptop for 8 hours ?.. why would you WANT to do that....
It isn't really a matter of whether or not you COULD.. it's just insane to torture oneself on a laptop for 8hrs..
when you can just drive home.. get ur **** done on the desktop, and proceed to get drunk...
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Post your MBP questions and answers here. :)
I'll go first:
1. Which one should I get?
All depends on what you're going to be doing with it.
2. Should I wait? Is Broadwell really coming soon? Will there be a new 2014 MBP release?
MacBook Pros with Broadwell likely are not going to release until late-Q1 2015 at the absolute earliest. Summer 2015 is far more likely. Intel just released some new Haswell processors with 200 MHz speed bumps that will likely go into current models to sustain that line until Broadwell.
Bottom line - if you need the computer now, buy it now. If you can afford to wait, wait.
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I'd recommend getting a good Thinkpad instead. They have better capabilities and superior build quality compared to a Macbook Pro.
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One of the major advantages of the Macbook Pro is resale value, more so than any Windows computer. I sold my 2-year-old Macbook Pro 15" for $900 or so earlier in the year. So you can be confident that buying a Macbook Pro will allow you sell it for a decent price if you want to get a new computer a couple years down the road.
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Well, if money is a big part of the equation, buying a new computer is never a good idea. The best computers to invest in are old computers, as they have very limited capability for depreciation. I could buy a Pentium 4 Dell for $40, use it for a few years, and then sell it for $20. And then I could upgrade to a Core 2 for $40. I think being about 7-8 years behind current computer technology is the sweet spot.
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Well, if money is a big part of the equation, buying a new computer is never a good idea. The best computers to invest in are old computers, as they have very limited capability for depreciation. I could buy a Pentium 4 Dell for $40, use it for a few years, and then sell it for $20. And then I could upgrade to a Core 2 for $40. I think being about 7-8 years behind current computer technology is the sweet spot.
ah... 7-8 years is stillll OK.. if you count overclocking...
but if you're just gonna roll a stock c2d... that's a bit sluggish.
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"have very limited capability for depreciation" - I like that bit, it sounds like most of my hardware!
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One of the major advantages of the Macbook Pro is resale value, more so than any Windows computer. I sold my 2-year-old Macbook Pro 15" for $900 or so earlier in the year. So you can be confident that buying a Macbook Pro will allow you sell it for a decent price if you want to get a new computer a couple years down the road.
No way bro..
THe initial cost of mac book is still way too high relative to same spec machines from ghetto brands..
U can get second highest i7 mobile cpu from toshiba or asus, @ $700-800.. in a macbook, it'd be at least $2000
The only LEGIT reason to get a macbook.. is for the fashion
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One of the major advantages of the Macbook Pro is resale value, more so than any Windows computer. I sold my 2-year-old Macbook Pro 15" for $900 or so earlier in the year. So you can be confident that buying a Macbook Pro will allow you sell it for a decent price if you want to get a new computer a couple years down the road.
No way bro..
THe initial cost of mac book is still way too high relative to same spec machines from ghetto brands..
U can get second highest i7 mobile cpu from toshiba or asus, @ $700-800.. in a macbook, it'd be at least $2000
The only LEGIT reason to get a macbook.. is for the fashion, and if you're really ugly, and you need some (rich *****)-swagger to make up for it..
This is the truth... !! the average person who owns a macbook is ugly..
don't believe me?, next time u see a macbook owner... look him square in the eye, and witness his sadness and insecurity..
I dunno man, lots of cute chicks with macbooks at my university...
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I've seen even more cute chicks who use Windows 98.
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One of the major advantages of the Macbook Pro is resale value, more so than any Windows computer. I sold my 2-year-old Macbook Pro 15" for $900 or so earlier in the year. So you can be confident that buying a Macbook Pro will allow you sell it for a decent price if you want to get a new computer a couple years down the road.
No way bro..
THe initial cost of mac book is still way too high relative to same spec machines from ghetto brands..
U can get second highest i7 mobile cpu from toshiba or asus, @ $700-800.. in a macbook, it'd be at least $2000
The only LEGIT reason to get a macbook.. is for the fashion
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I dunno man, lots of cute chicks with macbooks at my university...
females don't count...
they're slaves to fashion... they don't even care if the machine turns on.. it just has to be fashionable.. look at high heels. clearly they don't care about function..
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I'm about to comment something, but I'm ugly :(
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sry guys, i didn't mean for the comment to offensive.. now that I read it.. it's awful..
I only meant that from a hardware perspective, performance/ price.. macbook is not justified, this including resell value..
I edited my previous post..
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Magnetic USB Port, best invention ever. That alone has me love my Macbook.
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Magnetic USB Port, best invention ever. That alone has me love my Macbook.
My rice cooker had this way way wayyy before macbooks had it.. (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/hehe-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
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Yeah but my dell, my wifes dell, her parents pc laptops usb ports all stop working and the cords wont stay in, so annoying.
Any PC laptops with magnetic usb ports yet? Not dissing on PC, just curious? I love my PC Desktop. I just love macbooks for their build.
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Yeah but my dell, my wifes dell, her parents pc laptops usb ports all stop working and the cords wont stay in, so annoying.
Any PC laptops with magnetic usb ports yet? Not dissing on PC, just curious? I love my PC Desktop. I just love macbooks for their build.
what do you mean magnetic usb ports?
do you mean the magsafe power port?
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Yeah but my dell, my wifes dell, her parents pc laptops usb ports all stop working and the cords wont stay in, so annoying.
Any PC laptops with magnetic usb ports yet? Not dissing on PC, just curious? I love my PC Desktop. I just love macbooks for their build.
what do you mean magnetic usb ports?
do you mean the magsafe power port?
Yes that is it!
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Yeah but my dell, my wifes dell, her parents pc laptops usb ports all stop working and the cords wont stay in, so annoying.
Any PC laptops with magnetic usb ports yet? Not dissing on PC, just curious? I love my PC Desktop. I just love macbooks for their build.
what do you mean magnetic usb ports?
do you mean the magsafe power port?
Yes that is it!
it's not been a priority but since apple patented it... you can't just use it on your laptops..
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I do not think there is one. But maybe you could do something like this :p:
http://www.xodustech.com/projects/asus-zenbook-magsafe (http://www.xodustech.com/projects/asus-zenbook-magsafe)
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I do not think there is one. But maybe you could do something like this :p:
http://www.xodustech.com/projects/asus-zenbook-magsafe (http://www.xodustech.com/projects/asus-zenbook-magsafe)
Oooo very nice thanks! Im getting sick of the cords falling out of her machine.
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I do not think there is one. But maybe you could do something like this :p:
http://www.xodustech.com/projects/asus-zenbook-magsafe (http://www.xodustech.com/projects/asus-zenbook-magsafe)
Oooo very nice thanks! Im getting sick of the cords falling out of her machine.
NP, the next step is to have magsafe on your stationary pc....
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I believe I have seen a magnetic power cord on one of those new ultra book things.
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Well, if money is a big part of the equation, buying a new computer is never a good idea. The best computers to invest in are old computers, as they have very limited capability for depreciation. I could buy a Pentium 4 Dell for $40, use it for a few years, and then sell it for $20. And then I could upgrade to a Core 2 for $40. I think being about 7-8 years behind current computer technology is the sweet spot.
That's why I always get refurbs. pretty much never buy new.
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Well, if money is a big part of the equation, buying a new computer is never a good idea. The best computers to invest in are old computers, as they have very limited capability for depreciation. I could buy a Pentium 4 Dell for $40, use it for a few years, and then sell it for $20. And then I could upgrade to a Core 2 for $40. I think being about 7-8 years behind current computer technology is the sweet spot.
That's why I always get refurbs. pretty much never buy new.
Wait, so I should get a refurbished one? Hmmm, hadn't thought of that.
Do you guys recommend the 15" or the 13" model?
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Wait, so I should get a refurbished one? Hmmm, hadn't thought of that.
Do you guys recommend the 15" or the 13" model?
Refurbished Macs purchased from Apple carry the same warranty as new machines and are also eligible for the AppleCare extended warranty. If you elect to purchase a MacBook Pro with Retina Display, I would strongly suggest AppleCare because parts are extraordinarily expensive. It can be added at any time during the first year of ownership. The effective date is retroactive to when you purchased it. So if you bought a Mac on July 31, 2014, you have until July 30, 2015, to buy AppleCare. When you do, your warranty is extended until July 30, 2017. You also don't need to buy AppleCare from Apple. Authorized retailers such as B&H Photo and Video sell it at a significant discount. Apple charges $349 + tax. I paid $244 out the door from B&H to extend my 15-inch MacBook Pro. The MacBook Air and 13-inch Pro models cost less.
But again, I ask, what exactly do you plan to do on the Mac? This will help in knowing whether you should go with a 13- or 15-inch model.
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But again, I ask, what exactly do you plan to do on the Mac? This will help in knowing whether you should go with a 13- or 15-inch model.
Oh, sorry. Really my use case for this comes down to general internet browsing, Skype, and a bit of light-duty 2D CAD using QCAD. I plan to connect it to an external monitor when at home, which is where I would be doing most of the CAD work. So I don't need a beast of a machine, but not exactly a lightweight either.
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But again, I ask, what exactly do you plan to do on the Mac? This will help in knowing whether you should go with a 13- or 15-inch model.
Oh, sorry. Really my use case for this comes down to general internet browsing, Skype, and a bit of light-duty 2D CAD using QCAD. I plan to connect it to an external monitor when at home, which is where I would be doing most of the CAD work. So I don't need a beast of a machine, but not exactly a lightweight either.
For Internet browsing and CAD, a good Pentium III laptop with Windows 2000 can go a long ways.
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Oh, sorry. Really my use case for this comes down to general internet browsing, Skype, and a bit of light-duty 2D CAD using QCAD. I plan to connect it to an external monitor when at home, which is where I would be doing most of the CAD work. So I don't need a beast of a machine, but not exactly a lightweight either.
Then I would recommend this (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE662LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macBook-Pro-26ghz-Dual-core-Intel-Core-i5-with-retina-Display). Though it is last year's model, it will be more than powerful enough for your needs. It uses the 3rd-generation Core i5 processor (Ivy Bridge), but it's a standard full-voltage notebook CPU rather than the ultra-low-voltage Core i5 4th-generation i5 (Haswell) that powers the current line of 13-inch rMBPs. Another advantage to the older models is that their SSDs are more easily upgradable. Current models use PCI-Express storage, which is faster than the older SATA drives, but no 3rd parties are making replacements. For the older systems, you can buy larger drives from Other World Computing and Transcend. The latter company uses a more reliable controller and offers capacities up to 960 GB.
If you have any other questions, feel free to send me a PM if you don't want to wade through the trolling from the GH doofus brigade.
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Oh, sorry. Really my use case for this comes down to general internet browsing, Skype, and a bit of light-duty 2D CAD using QCAD. I plan to connect it to an external monitor when at home, which is where I would be doing most of the CAD work. So I don't need a beast of a machine, but not exactly a lightweight either.
Then I would recommend this (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE662LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macBook-Pro-26ghz-Dual-core-Intel-Core-i5-with-retina-Display). Though it is last year's model, it will be more than powerful enough for your needs. It uses the 3rd-generation Core i5 processor (Ivy Bridge), but it's a standard full-voltage notebook CPU rather than the ultra-low-voltage Core i5 4th-generation i5 (Haswell) that powers the current line of 13-inch rMBPs. Another advantage to the older models is that their SSDs are more easily upgradable. Current models use PCI-Express storage, which is faster than the older SATA drives, but no 3rd parties are making replacements. For the older systems, you can buy larger drives from Other World Computing and Transcend. The latter company uses a more reliable controller and offers capacities up to 960 GB.
If you have any other questions, feel free to send me a PM if you don't want to wade through the trolling from the GH doofus brigade.
Thanks for the recommendation! That helps me a lot, actually. :)
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Oh, sorry. Really my use case for this comes down to general internet browsing, Skype, and a bit of light-duty 2D CAD using QCAD. I plan to connect it to an external monitor when at home, which is where I would be doing most of the CAD work. So I don't need a beast of a machine, but not exactly a lightweight either.
Then I would recommend this (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE662LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macBook-Pro-26ghz-Dual-core-Intel-Core-i5-with-retina-Display). Though it is last year's model, it will be more than powerful enough for your needs. It uses the 3rd-generation Core i5 processor (Ivy Bridge), but it's a standard full-voltage notebook CPU rather than the ultra-low-voltage Core i5 4th-generation i5 (Haswell) that powers the current line of 13-inch rMBPs. Another advantage to the older models is that their SSDs are more easily upgradable. Current models use PCI-Express storage, which is faster than the older SATA drives, but no 3rd parties are making replacements. For the older systems, you can buy larger drives from Other World Computing and Transcend. The latter company uses a more reliable controller and offers capacities up to 960 GB.
If you have any other questions, feel free to send me a PM if you don't want to wade through the trolling from the GH doofus brigade.
Yea, when I bought my Macbook Pro earlier this year, I was bouncing between the Early 2013 model and Late 2013 model because the former had an upgradable SSD. But I ultimately went with Late 2013 because it had better graphics, more battery life, and was just tad smaller. And for the specs I was looking at, the prices were not significantly different. I figured that I would not need more than 256GB SSD, and paying the premium for an aftermarket 500GB to pop into the Early 2013 model was not worth it to me.
Anyways, TMI, that was just my buying thought process.
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Oh, sorry. Really my use case for this comes down to general internet browsing, Skype, and a bit of light-duty 2D CAD using QCAD. I plan to connect it to an external monitor when at home, which is where I would be doing most of the CAD work. So I don't need a beast of a machine, but not exactly a lightweight either.
Then I would recommend this (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE662LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macBook-Pro-26ghz-Dual-core-Intel-Core-i5-with-retina-Display). Though it is last year's model, it will be more than powerful enough for your needs. It uses the 3rd-generation Core i5 processor (Ivy Bridge), but it's a standard full-voltage notebook CPU rather than the ultra-low-voltage Core i5 4th-generation i5 (Haswell) that powers the current line of 13-inch rMBPs. Another advantage to the older models is that their SSDs are more easily upgradable. Current models use PCI-Express storage, which is faster than the older SATA drives, but no 3rd parties are making replacements. For the older systems, you can buy larger drives from Other World Computing and Transcend. The latter company uses a more reliable controller and offers capacities up to 960 GB.
If you have any other questions, feel free to send me a PM if you don't want to wade through the trolling from the GH doofus brigade.
dual core i5 for $1266
when you can get a Quad core i7 from asus, with a way better GPU for $800 sigh....
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Oh, sorry. Really my use case for this comes down to general internet browsing, Skype, and a bit of light-duty 2D CAD using QCAD. I plan to connect it to an external monitor when at home, which is where I would be doing most of the CAD work. So I don't need a beast of a machine, but not exactly a lightweight either.
Then I would recommend this (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE662LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macBook-Pro-26ghz-Dual-core-Intel-Core-i5-with-retina-Display). Though it is last year's model, it will be more than powerful enough for your needs. It uses the 3rd-generation Core i5 processor (Ivy Bridge), but it's a standard full-voltage notebook CPU rather than the ultra-low-voltage Core i5 4th-generation i5 (Haswell) that powers the current line of 13-inch rMBPs. Another advantage to the older models is that their SSDs are more easily upgradable. Current models use PCI-Express storage, which is faster than the older SATA drives, but no 3rd parties are making replacements. For the older systems, you can buy larger drives from Other World Computing and Transcend. The latter company uses a more reliable controller and offers capacities up to 960 GB.
If you have any other questions, feel free to send me a PM if you don't want to wade through the trolling from the GH doofus brigade.
dual core i5 for $1266
when you can get a Quad core i7 from asus, with a way better GPU for $800 sigh....
Yet another reason to use Windows instead of CRAPPLE Macintrash.
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Oh, sorry. Really my use case for this comes down to general internet browsing, Skype, and a bit of light-duty 2D CAD using QCAD. I plan to connect it to an external monitor when at home, which is where I would be doing most of the CAD work. So I don't need a beast of a machine, but not exactly a lightweight either.
Then I would recommend this (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE662LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macBook-Pro-26ghz-Dual-core-Intel-Core-i5-with-retina-Display). Though it is last year's model, it will be more than powerful enough for your needs. It uses the 3rd-generation Core i5 processor (Ivy Bridge), but it's a standard full-voltage notebook CPU rather than the ultra-low-voltage Core i5 4th-generation i5 (Haswell) that powers the current line of 13-inch rMBPs. Another advantage to the older models is that their SSDs are more easily upgradable. Current models use PCI-Express storage, which is faster than the older SATA drives, but no 3rd parties are making replacements. For the older systems, you can buy larger drives from Other World Computing and Transcend. The latter company uses a more reliable controller and offers capacities up to 960 GB.
If you have any other questions, feel free to send me a PM if you don't want to wade through the trolling from the GH doofus brigade.
dual core i5 for $1266
when you can get a Quad core i7 from asus, with a way better GPU for $800 sigh....
Yet another reason to use Windows instead of CRAPPLE Macintrash.
It comes down to..
Would you rather have a Mercedes Engine in a Camry or a Camry Engine in a Mercedes...
That's the realistic situation, EVEN if you are buying the highest end macbook, because it doesn't have the best CPU..
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I was about to recommend against refurb from personal experience...but then a funny thing happened. This is only barely on topic but I really want to tell someone :S.
Basically like 6 months ago when I was playing a game on my laptop it blue screened and after coming back on the backlight would cut out in anything other than bios(tried ubuntu and win7). My first thought was bad inverter or backlight and kinda just put it away until I decided to try and fix it (warranty just ran out). I took it apart fully about 3 weeks ago in hopes that it was a loose wire or something and no luck. At that time I also found out I'm an idiot and my LED screen didn't even have an inverter. So basically at this point I assume I just need to buy a new screen.
In last hopes today I search for more about the problem and 1 result out of like 20 had a similar problem(also thinking it was screen problem). He said he somehow fixed it by resetting bios twice and then it worked. I figured theres no ****ing way resetting bios would do it especially since I didnt change anything since I got the computer (long before bsod which caused the problem). Reset once...still problem. Reset twice and **** me that fixed it. WHY THE HELL DID THAT WORK?!
I assumed this whole time either the mobo or screen died because it was a refurb (which also had a shorter warranty) but I guess I was wrong.
But more on topic I probably wouldn't go with a macbook just because they're so expensive for what you get. I'm pretty sure even a chromebook can run CAD now because of the cloud version they have.
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I was about to recommend against refurb from personal experience...but then a funny thing happened. This is only barely on topic but I really want to tell someone :S.
Basically like 6 months ago when I was playing a game on my laptop it blue screened and after coming back on the backlight would cut out in anything other than bios(tried ubuntu and win7). My first thought was bad inverter or backlight and kinda just put it away until I decided to try and fix it (warranty just ran out). I took it apart fully about 3 weeks ago in hopes that it was a loose wire or something and no luck. At that time I also found out I'm an idiot and my LED screen didn't even have an inverter. So basically at this point I assume I just need to buy a new screen.
In last hopes today I search for more about the problem and 1 result out of like 20 had a similar problem(also thinking it was screen problem). He said he somehow fixed it by resetting bios twice and then it worked. I figured theres no ****ing way resetting bios would do it especially since I didnt change anything since I got the computer (long before bsod which caused the problem). Reset once...still problem. Reset twice and **** me that fixed it. WHY THE HELL DID THAT WORK?!
I assumed this whole time either the mobo or screen died because it was a refurb (which also had a shorter warranty) but I guess I was wrong.
But more on topic I probably wouldn't go with a macbook just because they're so expensive for what you get. I'm pretty sure even a chromebook can run CAD now because of the cloud version they have.
Great story xenderwind! Just curious which modell was it? On topic, I do agree that asus has modell whit much better price to performance on the hardware side. We do not know if OP is willing to change his ecosystem and neither did he ask for it. :)
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Great story xenderwind! Just curious which modell was it? On topic, I do agree that asus has modell whit much better price to performance on the hardware side. We do not know if OP is willing to change his ecosystem and neither did he ask for it. :)
A lenovo z585. Not even a mac...guess I should have specified that lol.
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Great story xenderwind! Just curious which modell was it? On topic, I do agree that asus has modell whit much better price to performance on the hardware side. We do not know if OP is willing to change his ecosystem and neither did he ask for it. :)
A lenovo z585. Not even a mac...guess I should have specified that lol.
I guessed it was not a Mac. Can't really do much in the bios on a macbook.:-)
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We do not know if OP is willing to change his ecosystem and neither did he ask for it. :)
Actually, I'm looking FOR a change of ecosystem, and that's why I'm looking at getting a MBP. I've been using Windows and Linux desktops and laptops for many, many years now, and I really want to try using a Mac. I like the industrial design of them, and I especially like that they now use Intel processors and have Unix code underlying the MacOS. The last time I used a Mac for any length of time was in the early '90s, at my first job out of high school.
I currently own:
Lenovo T41
Acer Aspire 17"
Acer C710 Chromebook (My Cr48 died)
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We do not know if OP is willing to change his ecosystem and neither did he ask for it. :)
Actually, I'm looking FOR a change of ecosystem, and that's why I'm looking at getting a MBP. I've been using Windows and Linux desktops and laptops for many, many years now, and I really want to try using a Mac. I like the industrial design of them, and I especially like that they now use Intel processors and have Unix code underlying the MacOS. The last time I used a Mac for any length of time was in the early '90s, at my first job out of high school.
I currently own:
Lenovo T41
Acer _____ 17"
Acer C710 Chromebook (My Cr48 died)
I see. Hackintosh with the t41 then? Have an IBM t41 running Debian. Very nice laptop. When it was new.
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We do not know if OP is willing to change his ecosystem and neither did he ask for it. :)
Actually, I'm looking FOR a change of ecosystem, and that's why I'm looking at getting a MBP. I've been using Windows and Linux desktops and laptops for many, many years now, and I really want to try using a Mac. I like the industrial design of them, and I especially like that they now use Intel processors and have Unix code underlying the MacOS. The last time I used a Mac for any length of time was in the early '90s, at my first job out of high school.
I currently own:
Lenovo T41
Acer Aspire 17"
Acer C710 Chromebook (My Cr48 died)
I dont know if I would want to spend the money just to try a mac, but if you have the money I guess it's up to you. I'm sure you can either borrow one from a friend or hackintosh. Or maybe just buy one from bestbuy and return it if you don't like it. Pretty sure my friend did that with a laptop from there a couple years ago. Though I'm not sure the details on all that.
I've never liked macs from when I've used them but that's also cause I hate learning new UI and stuff. Same reason I can't do the buttons thing on win 7 or the win 8 ui.
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We do not know if OP is willing to change his ecosystem and neither did he ask for it. :)
Actually, I'm looking FOR a change of ecosystem, and that's why I'm looking at getting a MBP. I've been using Windows and Linux desktops and laptops for many, many years now, and I really want to try using a Mac. I like the industrial design of them, and I especially like that they now use Intel processors and have Unix code underlying the MacOS. The last time I used a Mac for any length of time was in the early '90s, at my first job out of high school.
I currently own:
Lenovo T41
Acer Aspire 17"
Acer C710 Chromebook (My Cr48 died)
Macos has linux... but you can also.. you know.. just dual boot REAL-linux and windowz on regular laptop
The mac has a n00b friendly UI, which is completely useless to a seasoned Computer-guy, after the first 10 minutes of novelty..
so... what do you get for $2000..
You get to impress low income people who think macs is some sort of social status symbol.
You get to look like a tool in front of other seasoned (geeks)
All middle income people remain unimpressed..
All high income people think u probably could've gotten more returns for your cash elsewhere. (not necessarily a computer)
All Super Rich people still see you as an Ant who now happens to own an aluminum block, to which you're doing work on , FOR THEM... hahahahahah
Those are the external perspectives...
NOW... You must determine if your individual Conviction is significantly Greater than the less than favorable externality.
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We do not know if OP is willing to change his ecosystem and neither did he ask for it. :)
Actually, I'm looking FOR a change of ecosystem, and that's why I'm looking at getting a MBP. I've been using Windows and Linux desktops and laptops for many, many years now, and I really want to try using a Mac. I like the industrial design of them, and I especially like that they now use Intel processors and have Unix code underlying the MacOS. The last time I used a Mac for any length of time was in the early '90s, at my first job out of high school.
I currently own:
Lenovo T41
Acer Aspire 17"
Acer C710 Chromebook (My Cr48 died)
In my experience, Macbooks and the Mac OS just seems to work. Rarely any hangups, crashes, viruses, the machine does not slowly fall apart on you, none of the stuff that I have experienced with Windows machines. Everybody knows you can get a Windows laptop for a lower price with better specs, but they just do not seem to work as smoothly and the machines don't feel as well built. You pay a premium for a Mac and the Mac OS, and I think the usual lack of hassle is worth it.
However, Macs are not tinkerer friendly. The newer machines are coming with more components soldered in and cannot be easily replaced. I think they want to force you to buy a new machine when you want to upgrade your device, not just switch out the parts. It's probably the same reason they do not have SD card slots on their phone. That lack of flexibility dissuades me from buying more of their products.
Plus you can get some decent 13" Macbook refurbs for less than $1500. The 15" are the ones that get expensive.
The amazing thing about the Mac OS is how little has changed with the user interface over the years. I got my hands on the second version of the Macintosh, the 512K, running one of the early versions of the Mac OS, and it's amazing how easy it was to use the OS without any prior experience. The user interface for Mac OS was designed right the first time. With Windows 8, I needed a training manual. Keep it simple for all of us stupids, please.
Call me a fanboy or whatever, but I just prefer the ease of the Mac OS. I actually got rid of my iPhone for an Android, simply because the features offered in the current lineup of Android phones are better for a cheaper price. But the Mac iOS is so much easier to navigate than whatever bloatware-filled slop Google is pumping out.
All that said, I really want to learn Linux so I can use something more friendly to tinkerers.
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I believe I have seen a magnetic power cord on one of those new ultra book things.
I believe Surface got those magnetic things?
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I believe I have seen a magnetic power cord on one of those new ultra book things.
I believe Surface got those magnetic things?
Yup, youre right. Not really a laptop and I have doubt's if its going to support hackintosh :-P
http://www.wpcentral.com/surface-pro-3-new-and-improved-ac-connector (http://www.wpcentral.com/surface-pro-3-new-and-improved-ac-connector)
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I like to think of Surface more as a ultrabook than a tablet, for what it can do.
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I like to think of Surface more as a ultrabook than a tablet, for what it can do.
I don't like to think of Surface :p
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Haha, I think that was just a matter of taste :)) I love its build quality and appearance, I would recommend it for my friends who ask for a uktrabook advice. For me, I'm not really like Windows things any more, except the Lumia phones :p
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Macos has linux... but you can also.. you know.. just dual boot REAL-linux and windowz on regular laptop
The mac has a n00b friendly UI, which is completely useless to a seasoned Computer-guy, after the first 10 minutes of novelty..
so... what do you get for $2000..
You get to impress low income people who think macs is some sort of social status symbol.
You get to look like a tool in front of other seasoned (geeks)
All middle income people remain unimpressed..
All high income people think u probably could've gotten more returns for your cash elsewhere. (not necessarily a computer)
All Super Rich people still see you as an Ant who now happens to own an aluminum block, to which you're doing work on , FOR THEM... hahahahahah
Those are the external perspectives...
NOW... You must determine if your individual Conviction is significantly Greater than the less than favorable externality.
Macs aren't status symbols. They aren't rare and they aren't even that expensive. Sure, they aren't the cheapest computers that you can get, but if you make your living by creating stuff on a computer, a Mac isn't expensive. You'd spend the same amount of money on a PC if you preferred PCs.
As for OS X being a noob OS, well the people who think so tend to believe that being able to tweak the Windows settings or being able to edit configuration text files is what makes them pros. Meanwhile, OS X has a disproportionately large market share among the people who actually write software. It's been that way for quite a while now. OS X was already the most popular OS among GitHub visitors back in 2008.
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JD, I'm both a Windows and an Apple fan. It's still amazing to me that after all of these years, people still want to bash Apple for so many reasons. Bottom line, the Apple products play well with each other. Not always so well with others. But if you have a family with 3 iPhones, and 5 iPads, it just makes sense to have a few Apple computers are well. I currently have 3 iMacs and 2 MacBook Pros and I upgrade my Apple products every 2 yrs.
My suggestion is simply buy what you need. And buy from here if you possibly have one local to you? Discounts especially on open box items and only 3% tax.
http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294967288,4294966363/Apple-Laptops (http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294967288,4294966363/Apple-Laptops)
And this is a great bag to tote your MacPro/Air and an iPad:
http://www.tombihn.com/laptop-bags/TB0223.html (http://www.tombihn.com/laptop-bags/TB0223.html)
I do suggest one of the Retina display models. The screen is very nice even though others are now offering similar high quality screens. The MacBook is quite heavy though, but not so heavy that I mind carrying it around with me. My model has an HDMI, a few USBs and a SUPER fast Thunderbolt connection. Data transfer is really quick to my 4TB G-RAID Thunderdrives, which I have two of.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/H8248VC/A/g-technology-4tb-g-raid-with-thunderbolt-hard-drive?afid=p219|GOUS&cid=AOS-US-KWG-PLA (http://store.apple.com/us/product/H8248VC/A/g-technology-4tb-g-raid-with-thunderbolt-hard-drive?afid=p219|GOUS&cid=AOS-US-KWG-PLA)
FWIW, my son games on a custom built Windows PC, and I have plenty of Windows PCs and Laptops as well. Asus Zenbooks are great but you have similar setups.
Also FWIW, the Apple keyboard is what drove me to Geekhack many years ago LOL. Now I somewhat appreciate the Apple keyboard, but I still avoid using it whenever possible.
And ...... I've never had an issue with any of my Apple computers. Maybe I'm just lucky?? And I've never purchased Applecare. I figure in 1-2 yrs, I'll just get new computers anyway.
My 2c,
skc
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Macos has linux... but you can also.. you know.. just dual boot REAL-linux and windowz on regular laptop
The mac has a n00b friendly UI, which is completely useless to a seasoned Computer-guy, after the first 10 minutes of novelty..
so... what do you get for $2000..
You get to impress low income people who think macs is some sort of social status symbol.
You get to look like a tool in front of other seasoned (geeks)
All middle income people remain unimpressed..
All high income people think u probably could've gotten more returns for your cash elsewhere. (not necessarily a computer)
All Super Rich people still see you as an Ant who now happens to own an aluminum block, to which you're doing work on , FOR THEM... hahahahahah
Those are the external perspectives...
NOW... You must determine if your individual Conviction is significantly Greater than the less than favorable externality.
Macs aren't status symbols. They aren't rare and they aren't even that expensive. Sure, they aren't the cheapest computers that you can get, but if you make your living by creating stuff on a computer, a Mac isn't expensive. You'd spend the same amount of money on a PC if you preferred PCs.
As for OS X being a noob OS, well the people who think so tend to believe that being able to tweak the Windows settings or being able to edit configuration text files is what makes them pros. Meanwhile, OS X has a disproportionately large market share among the people who actually write software. It's been that way for quite a while now. OS X was already the most popular OS among GitHub visitors back in 2008.
I agree it's not a status symbol to medium income +
but to Low income (which accounts for more % of the population), moderately expensive things are still somewhat a status symbol..
There is a specific reason why macos has been somewhat popular among developers..
Also, JUST because you can (CODE), doesn't automatically mean whatever you buy/use is of optimal configuration..
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Well.....this is a keyboard forum. And the majority of the world is happy with their freebie rubber dome keyboard :D :D
But here on GH, we have fun discussing $600 Korean Customs and $200 Clacks :thumb: :thumb:
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Well.....this is a keyboard forum. And the majority of the world is happy with their freebie rubber dome keyboard :D :D
But here on GH, we have fun discussing $600 Korean Customs and $200 Clacks :thumb: :thumb:
no we're not... SOME people are.. from the utility-perspective.. $600 korean bricks are stupid waste of money... but the people who buy them are collectors.. they buy it for a vain reason, but that's their thing, and it gets them off.. to indulge in "elite ownership"..
Tp4, non-collector, advanced user, only discuss $200 Ergodox... Which is Purely function... aesthetics be damned..
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Well.....this is a keyboard forum. And the majority of the world is happy with their freebie rubber dome keyboard :D :D
But here on GH, we have fun discussing $600 Korean Customs and $200 Clacks :thumb: :thumb:
no we're not... SOME people are.. from the utility-perspective.. $600 korean bricks are stupid waste of money... but the people who buy them are collectors.. they buy it for a vain reason, but that's their thing, and it gets them off.. to indulge in "elite ownership"..
Tp4, non-collector, advanced user, only discuss $200 Ergodox... Which is Purely function... aesthetics be damned..
Well .... we can just happily agree to disagree. I love my KMAC 2 to death from a functional and aesthetic perspective, whereas I can't seem to get along with my ErgoDox no matter how hard I try. I literally need to move my hand off the board in order to hit anything other than the large space bar on the thumb cluster
But I'm truly happy that you love your ErgoDox!! Maybe I just need some more practice and to allow more learning curve time?
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I agree it's not a status symbol to medium income +
but to Low income (which accounts for more % of the population), moderately expensive things are still somewhat a status symbol..
There is a specific reason why macos has been somewhat popular among developers..
Also, JUST because you can (CODE), doesn't automatically mean whatever you buy/use is of optimal configuration..
You dismiss OS X as useless for "seasoned computer-guys".
I tell you that OS X is in fact very popular among coders.
You then say that these alpha seasoned computer-guys may not know what's good for them.
The hubris.
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The only LEGIT reason to get a macbook.. is for the fashion
Yes, or if you're a programmer that wants an out-of-the-box well supported package managed unix environment but that's whatever
I mean come on guys whichever is better, Linux or OSx, it's so much easier to use the one that the most other people use, and there's no reason to fight that, or you'll spend more time tweakin your system files than doing actual work.
I mean really, the guys who invented plan9 are using OXs now
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Oh, I forgot one other piece of information. I also have a late-2008 MacBook Air (which I'm actually using to type this post). I bought it from mistakemistake a while back, and I'm using it to introduce myself to OS X. I upgraded the OS to the latest Mavericks release on it. The reason I want a MacBook Pro is that the Air is just a little underpowered by today's standards, and when I run QCAD on it, it lags a bit, which is annoying. Also, the hinge is cracked, so the lid won't stay where it should when open. So I use it tethered on my desk, with an external display, rather than being able to use it when I'm away from my desk.
I like Linux very much. In fact, my ThinkPad T41 is running Ubuntu 14.04. I may switch to the Kubuntu DE, just to give that a try again.
I also use Windows quite a bit. At work, my PC is a Windows 7 machine, and my Acer is also running Windows 7.
Ironically, my work phone is an iPhone 4S. And my personal phone is a Nexus 4, soon to be a OnePlus One. I have an iPad for work, which I never use. And at home I have a Samsung Galaxy 2 7.0 tablet, and an iPod Touch (5th gen). So I have a mix of devices and environments I use.
I would just like something that works, out of the box, without a lot of tweaking and fixing all the time. That's why I'm looking at Apple.
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Contrary to popular belief, macbooks are NOT perfect Outta-the-Box..
The last macbook I worked with Macbook retina Ivy Generation, High idle temperatures, even after they released a patch for it..
And it took several months before someone modded a custom fan control program so that the macbook would idle at a reasonable temperature.
At launch it idled at 50-65 C Loaded all the way up to 90-92C and throttled @ 95+...
So... that whole Macbook just works mystic is perpetuated by N00b and N00b programmers..
NO MACHINE just works... quriks all around... it comes down to whether or not you notice or even know that something is wrong...
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Contrary to popular belief, macbooks are NOT perfect Outta-the-Box..
And you know why? Because they're pieces of crap! Windows laptops are infinitely superior.
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I prefer my Macbook Air. Its fast and light on the lap. That said, Macbook Pros are great.
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Contrary to popular belief, macbooks are NOT perfect Outta-the-Box..
And you know why? Because they're pieces of crap! Windows laptops are infinitely superior.
And you can molest them too and leave your smudges all over em!