Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:24:36
What does "endgame keyboard mean" to you and what keyboard is your endgame board?
I don't really have one. I've long since resigned to the fact that I like collecting and that there are far too many keyboards and switches out there for me to try and learn about. I have stopped looking at buying anymore buckling spring boards after getting my SSK and 6019284. And I've stopped buying a lot of Alps since I received my Filco Zero and Kingsaver. (Edited because I'm still looking into Alps a lot.) But I don't think there's one board that would make me so happy I'd quit anytime soon.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:27:56
Also: Dolch, CMYK/W, and an aluminium housing. (wood is cool too)
That kind of keyboard is only but a dream...
I could get a plate and hardwire a keyboard, but A) I don't have switches, B) I don't have soldering experience, and C) Keycaps would be almost impossible to get a hold of, especially for a split spacebar.
Post by: byker on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:28:17
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:30:10
I have always thought of endgame as a state of mind. When you are no longer interested in anymore/have all that you need, such as you having found your endgame buckling springs.
If buckling springs were things that I could use for a custom layout, I would have included that in my endgame. But I decided to be slightly realistic.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:31:02
If buckling springs were things that I could use for a custom layout, I would have included that in my endgame. But I decided to be slightly realistic.
wcass turned an XT F into a TKL board. Someone else has as well. You can definitely customize your layout a bit with BS boards.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:32:06
As far as my current end game keyboard I am still happy with my Ducky Shine 2 with factory stock clears switches and GMK Dolch caps, however as of a few days ago a few keys don't respond to being pressed :( I would say this board has a good year of 5-6 weekday (8+ hours) of use on it so it was bound to happen.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:33:15
If buckling springs were things that I could use for a custom layout, I would have included that in my endgame. But I decided to be slightly realistic.
wcass turned an XT F into a TKL board. Someone else has as well. You can definitely customize your layout a bit with BS boards.
Not sure if there is a market for split spacebar BS.... But if it is possible I will drop all the moneys.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:34:21
If buckling springs were things that I could use for a custom layout, I would have included that in my endgame. But I decided to be slightly realistic.
wcass turned an XT F into a TKL board. Someone else has as well. You can definitely customize your layout a bit with BS boards.
Not sure if there is a market for split spacebar BS.... But if it is possible I will drop all the moneys.
If you have all the moneys, you can probably get yourself an M15 somewhere...
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:37:02
If buckling springs were things that I could use for a custom layout, I would have included that in my endgame. But I decided to be slightly realistic.
wcass turned an XT F into a TKL board. Someone else has as well. You can definitely customize your layout a bit with BS boards.
Not sure if there is a market for split spacebar BS.... But if it is possible I will drop all the moneys.
If you have all the moneys, you can probably get yourself an M15 somewhere...
Guys...
I will become a billionaire and make a factory for new m15s WITH EXTERNAL NUMPADS
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:43:25
I haven't found a combination of look, sound, and feel that I like better.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:45:18
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Post by: absyrd on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:49:02
Post by: dustinhxc on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:50:45
I've had many boards I love, they work great, they feel awesome, they look really nice.. But then I end up wanting to try something else.
So either I keep collecting multiple, or I sell/trade to fund a new keyboard goal.
My "End Game board" should be to me soon, Ive been waiting a few months for it. It should be worth the wait.
But also, I have another awesome project coming which may be it.. So tough to decide so I will just collect them all and have many..
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:51:12
It is known.
I should just lock the thread now. THE HASH HAS SPOKETH
Post by: jwaz on Fri, 25 July 2014, 12:01:47
(http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/hhkbprohg/images/jtop_01.jpg) (http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/hhkbprohg/images/jtop_01.jpg)
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 25 July 2014, 12:03:47
I think for many of the HHKB cultists (myself included) "endgame" is the HHKB Pro HG Japan edition.this
(http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/hhkbprohg/images/jtop_01.jpg) (http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/hhkbprohg/images/jtop_01.jpg)
Post by: combataran on Fri, 25 July 2014, 12:08:25
Post by: Dubsgalore on Fri, 25 July 2014, 12:10:07
I think it should mean the final keyboard you will be using for a long time...or this
I have always thought of endgame as a state of mind. When you are no longer interested in anymore/have all that you need, such as you having found your endgame buckling springs.but I've seen plenty of times when someone talks about finding their 'endgame' only to see it up in someone else's hands a few weeks later
for me, reaching endgame or finding that endgame keyboard is still a ways away. I've explored MX a decent amount, but haven't touched F, Topre or Alps (although I don't really have any interest in alps), so I have a decent amount of experimenting left to do before 'settling'
Settling for me will mean having 1-3 keyboards that are my favorite to use, and will be swapped out as daily driver/used in different locations
I'm always going to have a collection of boards but finding those 1-3 that I never get bored of is what I'm going to call 'endgame' for myself as well
I think I'll have one as soon as I finish building my corsa..
Post by: nuclearsandwich on Fri, 25 July 2014, 12:18:15
I think the only thing that could become an "endgame" style board for me is getting to design and build my own keyboard from start to finish, PCB to firmware to keycaps colorscheme, and even then, it'll probably just end up in rotation.
Post by: davkol on Fri, 25 July 2014, 13:31:16
- Split. Check.
- Columnar layout. Check.
- Thumb cluster tenting. Check.
- Hackable firmware. Check.
- Doesn't cost a kidney. Check.
- Open source. Check.
- Customizable Cherry MX (+ plenty of options for keycaps). Check.
edit: Actually, I've missed one thing. Tall thick spherical POM keycaps of variable profiles. Essentially a custom POM SA keycap set. Probably not gonna happen.
Post by: clacktalk on Fri, 25 July 2014, 14:22:35
Post by: Defect on Fri, 25 July 2014, 14:55:51
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 25 July 2014, 14:56:31
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Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 25 July 2014, 16:37:26
i don't even care which, they're all great
Post by: divito on Fri, 25 July 2014, 19:13:27
But then again, I have so many desires and options for types of keyboards that it will probably be several endgame keyboards for me to be satisfied.
Post by: Melvang on Fri, 25 July 2014, 19:31:38
That being said I would have to say that my end game board would be a buckling springs over PCB with a steel barrel plate in an ergo dox style layout but with the angled thumb cluster on ooblys custom board with stems that allow the use of MX compatible caps. Customizable firmware via GUI would be great as well.
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 25 July 2014, 19:37:58
Post by: docwlad on Fri, 25 July 2014, 19:38:13
Post by: jacobolus on Fri, 25 July 2014, 20:11:38
That being said I would have to say that my end game board would be a buckling springs over PCBWhat do you mean over PCB? You mean (Model F style) capacitive instead of (Model M style) membrane?
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with a steel barrel plateThis is all IBM buckling spring boards
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in an ergo dox style layoutDo you know exactly what layout you want? If so, this is totally possible to do by cannibalizing a Model F for barrels and flippies and then getting custom plates/circuit board, you just need to contract with some sheet metal shop to waterjet cut the steel for you and bend it on a slip roll. And then get one of those capsense controllers some geekhackers are working on (or possibly you can cannibalize the model F for the controller too).
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with the angled thumb clusterStill possible, but starts to get more complicated to design / more expensive to make.
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Customizable firmware via GUI would be great as well.If you handle the physical part, I’m sure someone can help you with the firmware.
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with stems that allow the use of MX compatible caps.This is going to be hard if not impossible.
Post by: Grim Fandango on Fri, 25 July 2014, 20:11:50
Seriously though, I guess endgame for me is when I have tried every possible switch, and choose the ones I like best out of all of them. At the same time, I feel like I already reached it, in the sense that I have owned and tried many different switches, many different sizes and layouts, type of keycaps and so on. I think I have quite a good idea of what I do and what I do not like and think I picked the keyboards that fit my needs best. Though I will admit that if I had more money to burn, I would also own a keyboard with Topre silent switches.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 July 2014, 20:17:10
Endgame is when I run out of money :thumb:
Seriously though, I guess endgame for me is when I have tried every possible switch, and choose the ones I like best out of all of them. At the same time, I feel like I already reached it, in the sense that I have owned and tried many different switches, many different sizes and layouts, type of keycaps and so on. I think I have quite a good idea of what I do and what I do not like and think I picked the keyboards that fit my needs best. Though I will admit that if I had more money to burn, I would also own a keyboard with Topre silent switches.
so..... before or after you end up on the streets.. doing un-jesus things for ur next keyboard fix
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 25 July 2014, 21:46:45
The more I use the HHKB, the more I find that it is becoming the ultimate keyboard for me. I will always have my IBM collection. And my Filcos. Of course the 60% MX keyboards. One Korean custom (LZ-GH).
But the keyboard I would love to have, that I would use every day, would be a metal cased HHKB with Bluetooth. Endgame indeed. :)
Post by: byker on Fri, 25 July 2014, 23:16:08
Okay, let me take a stab at it.
The more I use the HHKB, the more I find that it is becoming the ultimate keyboard for me. I will always have my IBM collection. And my Filcos. Of course the 60% MX keyboards. One Korean custom (LZ-GH).
But the keyboard I would love to have, that I would use every day, would be a metal cased HHKB with Bluetooth. Endgame indeed. :)
That does sound pretty ideal..
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 25 July 2014, 23:17:57
Okay, let me take a stab at it.
The more I use the HHKB, the more I find that it is becoming the ultimate keyboard for me. I will always have my IBM collection. And my Filcos. Of course the 60% MX keyboards. One Korean custom (LZ-GH).
But the keyboard I would love to have, that I would use every day, would be a metal cased HHKB with Bluetooth. Endgame indeed. :)
That does sound pretty ideal..
Bluetooth modded Viper, coming right up! :D
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 25 July 2014, 23:22:01
Okay, let me take a stab at it.
The more I use the HHKB, the more I find that it is becoming the ultimate keyboard for me. I will always have my IBM collection. And my Filcos. Of course the 60% MX keyboards. One Korean custom (LZ-GH).
But the keyboard I would love to have, that I would use every day, would be a metal cased HHKB with Bluetooth. Endgame indeed. :)
But what about the 40% boards?? And LOL your Filcos hehe.
Post by: jameslr on Fri, 25 July 2014, 23:41:41
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Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 25 July 2014, 23:52:35
Post by: cphead on Fri, 25 July 2014, 23:53:55
Over time I have found the HHKB to be one of the best keyboards, overall. However, for me, there is no single end game keyboard. I enjoy switching between different keyboards. It's like this: if you had to pick a single favorite food and it eat everyday for the rest of your life, you would quickly grow to hate it. But if you were able to choose many different favorites and rotate between them, you'd be set. same thing with keyboards for me.
Much agree. I love my Type-S but if I were to sell off my other boards I wouldn't be happy. How could I give my babies up :'(
Post by: Melvang on Sat, 26 July 2014, 00:49:20
CorrectThat being said I would have to say that my end game board would be a buckling springs over PCBWhat do you mean over PCB? You mean (Model F style) capacitive instead of (Model M style) membrane?
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Model M barrel plates are plastic, the back plate however is steel.Quotewith a steel barrel plateThis is all IBM buckling spring boards
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I was just meaning physical layout with the staggered column instead of staggered rows.Quotein an ergo dox style layoutDo you know exactly what layout you want? If so, this is totally possible to do by cannibalizing a Model F for barrels and flippies and then getting custom plates/circuit board, you just need to contract with some sheet metal shop to waterjet cut the steel for you and bend it on a slip roll. And then get one of those capsense controllers some geekhackers are working on (or possibly you can cannibalize the model F for the controller too).
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That's fine. For me most of the enjoyment comes form the design and process on getting to the end product.Quotewith the angled thumb clusterStill possible, but starts to get more complicated to design / more expensive to make.
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I am currently actually attempting to teach myself programming in hopes of at least being able to write my own firmware though with the capsense I could see needing some help in that aspect.QuoteCustomizable firmware via GUI would be great as well.If you handle the physical part, I’m sure someone can help you with the firmware.
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The way I see this working is actually similar to how the IBM caps are a two piece but have the separation in a different location. Instead of being the bulk of the key with just a cap including the legend it would be the insert with a MX compatible stem for MX caps. Yes I realize that molds would be very expensive but I wonder how much interest there would actually be for something like this. I am very curious how say DCS caps would look and feel like when used on a curved plate.Quotewith stems that allow the use of MX compatible caps.This is going to be hard if not impossible.
Post by: PointyFox on Sat, 26 July 2014, 01:00:24
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/e1/13/62e1130b8b37754cb177aaef5d3767c7.jpg)
Cheap
Dedicated media controls
Clicky volume knob
USB ports in back
Wide space bar
Browser/email/calculator/etc. buttons
Thin bezel
Looks nice
Pad printed keycaps show only slight wear after using them for like 15 years
Post by: intelli78 on Sat, 26 July 2014, 01:04:36
The Dell Y-UK-DEL1.
Lovely.
Post by: PointyFox on Sat, 26 July 2014, 01:15:43
The Dell Y-UK-DEL1.
Lovely.
It has a nice silver bezel and the media keys glow green. :(
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 26 July 2014, 02:17:55
The Dell Y-UK-DEL1.Show Image(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/e1/13/62e1130b8b37754cb177aaef5d3767c7.jpg)
Cheap
Dedicated media controls
Clicky volume knob
USB ports in back
Wide space bar
Browser/email/calculator/etc. buttons
Thin bezel
Looks nice
Pad printed keycaps show only slight wear after using them for like 15 years
This was the exact board I had before I got my first mech board. I left it at home when I went away to school (September). When I came back (December), it was torturous to use. Only thing I miss about it is the volume knob.
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 26 July 2014, 03:14:22
Okay, but what I mean is, you’re going to have to start welding pieces of metal together, to pretty tight tolerances, which makes this a lot harder to get right. I think it’s more trouble than the advantage you’d get from it. Just splitting the two hands into separate parts and adding some extra thumb keys gets you a huge advantage over existing buckling spring boards. Tipping the thumb keys up is IMO only marginally more beneficial, whereas it’s going to like double the difficulty of the construction.QuoteThat's fine. For me most of the enjoyment comes form the design and process on getting to the end product.Quotewith the angled thumb clusterStill possible, but starts to get more complicated to design / more expensive to make.
Post by: Melvang on Sat, 26 July 2014, 03:19:33
Okay, but what I mean is, you’re going to have to start welding pieces of metal together, to pretty tight tolerances, which makes this a lot harder to get right. I think it’s more trouble than the advantage you’d get from it. Just splitting the two hands into separate parts and adding some extra thumb keys gets you a huge advantage over existing buckling spring boards. Tipping the thumb keys up is IMO only marginally more beneficial, whereas it’s going to like double the difficulty making it.QuoteThat's fine. For me most of the enjoyment comes form the design and process on getting to the end product.Quotewith the angled thumb clusterStill possible, but starts to get more complicated to design / more expensive to make.
Shouldn't be to hard with my skill set. I do have a couple sources for access to a TIG welder. If you are throwing sparks wit TIG, you are doing it wrong.
Post by: SSIPAK on Sat, 26 July 2014, 03:31:34
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/l_og_hhkb_015_zps7975afb2.jpg)
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 26 July 2014, 03:40:27
The "endgame keyboard" would be the most preferred combination of these that I would settle on after time.
For me, I say it would be a 55g Topre TKL board (e.g. RealForce 87U). Yellow keycaps. Aluminium case.
Maybe it won't!
I have not tried 55g Topre, but I love my HHKB, and prefer stiffer switches, so I'm guessing I'd prefer 55g Topre.
I have never used a keyboard in an aluminium case. Model M is probably the heaviest keyboard I have, but still plastic case.
A transparent yellow Skull on Esc would be the icing on the cake :)
Post by: dante on Sat, 26 July 2014, 08:13:35
I like the Matias because the Alps have shorter throw. I like the Topre Type Heaven because of the profile and aesthetics.
I think I'll get one of my Type Heavens lubed/silenced and see what happens. It's already quiet enough but I want rings to shorten the throw closer to membrane standards.
I guess the perfect board would be a Type Heaven with around 3.5-3.6mm throw.
Post by: Defect on Sat, 26 July 2014, 09:03:49
The Dell Y-UK-DEL1.Show Image(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/e1/13/62e1130b8b37754cb177aaef5d3767c7.jpg)
Cheap
Dedicated media controls
Clicky volume knob
USB ports in back
Wide space bar
Browser/email/calculator/etc. buttons
Thin bezel
Looks nice
Pad printed keycaps show only slight wear after using them for like 15 years
Lubed the caps on one of these for the lulz. Not bad considering board + lube runs you less than $15.
Post by: clacktalk on Sat, 26 July 2014, 12:21:23
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 26 July 2014, 13:33:20
There may have existed a split-spacebar erase-eaze. I've never seen a picture of one other than a scan of a lexmark catalogue.If buckling springs were things that I could use for a custom layout, I would have included that in my endgame. But I decided to be slightly realistic.
wcass turned an XT F into a TKL board. Someone else has as well. You can definitely customize your layout a bit with BS boards.
Not sure if there is a market for split spacebar BS.... But if it is possible I will drop all the moneys.
In the meantime, you can put the "code" key and spacebar from a wheelwriter on a normal M.
I don't have an "endgame" but there are several keyboards I want that I do not have. One of them is the 107-key "administrative" model of the IBM 4704 keyboard (called the 4704-400. They are quite rare now that south texas products threw away their entire stock for scrap.
Post by: divito on Sat, 26 July 2014, 13:51:23
The Dell Y-UK-DEL1.Show Image(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/e1/13/62e1130b8b37754cb177aaef5d3767c7.jpg)
Cheap
Dedicated media controls
Clicky volume knob
USB ports in back
Wide space bar
Browser/email/calculator/etc. buttons
Thin bezel
Looks nice
Pad printed keycaps show only slight wear after using them for like 15 years
Almost need to interest check a PCB for this and re-create a mechanical version.
Post by: PointyFox on Sat, 26 July 2014, 22:27:40
The Dell Y-UK-DEL1.Show Image(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/e1/13/62e1130b8b37754cb177aaef5d3767c7.jpg)
Cheap
Dedicated media controls
Clicky volume knob
USB ports in back
Wide space bar
Browser/email/calculator/etc. buttons
Thin bezel
Looks nice
Pad printed keycaps show only slight wear after using them for like 15 years
This was the exact board I had before I got my first mech board. I left it at home when I went away to school (September). When I came back (December), it was torturous to use. Only thing I miss about it is the volume knob.
What made it torturous? The only thing I can think of is that they keys can bind slightly when pressed off-center. I use Cherry ML switches a lot so I got used to pressing keys in the center and it's not a problem for me.
Post by: Smasher816 on Sat, 26 July 2014, 22:34:48
I would like a fully programmable topre board. That would be my endgame keyboard. I'm switching back and forth between my FC660C and my GON NS38 just for that reason. I think I'm probably just gonna try and find some good key remapping software to work around it.
Keep the dream alive. http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57008.0
Post by: osi on Sat, 26 July 2014, 23:18:32
The Dell Y-UK-DEL1.Show Image(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/e1/13/62e1130b8b37754cb177aaef5d3767c7.jpg)
Cheap
Dedicated media controls
Clicky volume knob
USB ports in back
Wide space bar
Browser/email/calculator/etc. buttons
Thin bezel
Looks nice
Pad printed keycaps show only slight wear after using them for like 15 years
Used a few of these over the past years back when dell was flying high.
Funny thing though, had one of these die at my house and ran into another model on the job from a completely different batch died the same way. Certain keys failed to register. Twas odd
Post by: exitfire401 on Sat, 26 July 2014, 23:27:55
I think for many of the HHKB cultists (myself included) "endgame" is the HHKB Pro HG Japan edition.
(http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/hhkbprohg/images/jtop_01.jpg) (http://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/hhkbprohg/images/jtop_01.jpg)
This is correct..but seriously, can we get a gb going on an HHKB Alu case so I don't have to buy another board please? haha
Post by: GSimon on Sat, 26 July 2014, 23:45:09
My Ergodox is currently my end-game board, it's the one that's the most unique, appealing looking (to me), and the one I'd consider spending the most money on to customize. I got the custom cable/custom plates for it and wouldn't necessarily invest in other boards in this way.
The only board that could surpass it to me would one that I've designed from scratch, as something I've created from my own is truly irreplaceable.
Am still interested in other boards for different form factors, similar to how an car collector can have a favourite car and still be interested in other cars in the future.
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 27 July 2014, 00:23:00
The Dell Y-UK-DEL1.Show Image(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/62/e1/13/62e1130b8b37754cb177aaef5d3767c7.jpg)
Cheap
Dedicated media controls
Clicky volume knob
USB ports in back
Wide space bar
Browser/email/calculator/etc. buttons
Thin bezel
Looks nice
Pad printed keycaps show only slight wear after using them for like 15 years
This was the exact board I had before I got my first mech board. I left it at home when I went away to school (September). When I came back (December), it was torturous to use. Only thing I miss about it is the volume knob.
What made it torturous? The only thing I can think of is that they keys can bind slightly when pressed off-center. I use Cherry ML switches a lot so I got used to pressing keys in the center and it's not a problem for me.
Pulled mine out of the closet to type this reply, just for you :P
Checking the model number on the back, my board is actually a SK-8135, which appears to be the same board except for the design of the windows keys. Could be an era thing (XP era vs. Vista era?). It's no worse than any rubber dome board, and better than quite a few. It's hard to put into words the exact issues I have with the board -- the lack of travel prior to actuation, and the hard bottom out that I get on every keystroke has me rebelling against it. I do type 5-10 wpm faster than my clears (I mostly attribute that to difference in actuation force), but I feel the fatigue in my hands and arms much faster than if I was typing on a mechanical board.
Torturous is kind of a strong word, I suppose, but I undeniably find my mechanical boards preferable -- except for maybe my board with reds. Personally, I find my enjoyment of a board increases with tactility. Crisp rubber domes feel better than squishy rubber domes (which are in the same category as MX reds and blacks). From there, the more tactile a switch is, the more I like it. I like browns better than rubber domes, blues even more, and clears more still. Buckling spring lies somewhere in the same category as blues, as do MX greens.
I suppose it's weird that I feel fatigue faster typing on a board that requires less force to actuate (rubber dome vs. MX Clear). It might have something to do with the fact that I don't bottom out nearly as much with clears and so actually have less shock on each keystroke, I really don't know.
In the end, I suppose it's all a matter of what I'm used to. And now having typed this post, my fingers feel very strange, almost like they feel after I use a lawnmower (although less intense), if that makes sense. To me, not a nice feeling, and why I'm glad I no longer have to use rubber dome boards on anything more than an occasional basis at work.
I have no clue if that answers the question satisfactorily or not, but I hope it sheds some light on things, at least.
Oh yeah -- an endgame keyboard is the board that expresses the culmination of the hobby. For me, because I have many different places and situations that I will end up using boards in, I think I'll end up with multiple endgame boards, in more of an endgame rotation. Probably by the end of it, it'll be at least one board that I've built myself, probably with clears and some custom firmware, either a TKL or a 60%, with a matching number pad.
Post by: Fnzzy on Sun, 27 July 2014, 08:49:45
One of my "endgame" keycap sets is actually close to getting here, which is the GMK Dolch. One of my other sets are the original Cherry Doubleshots which I already have, although I am not sure if I will be using those until the very end or if I am going to replace them with a newer set, but currently it doesn't look like it.
I am excited for the Duck Viper / Eagle GB to start since this will most likely be my 60% endgame board. :D
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 27 July 2014, 10:20:13
It's for this reason that I have a Logitech K120 in my keyboard rotation. I whip it out once every two weeks or so, use it until I can't stand it (usually in the minutes), and then switch back to a mechanical keyboard. After this, I appreciate the mech keyboard all the more. This leads to the Zen habit of being content with what you have. While this can curb pangs for another keyboard...it is not as effective for new keycap sets. :p
Again, at this point in time, my endgame would be a programmable 60% or TKL complemented with a separate numpad with matching cases.
Post by: dante on Sun, 27 July 2014, 10:26:32
FWIW my preferred membrane is the Lenovo KU-0225.
Post by: katushkin on Sun, 27 July 2014, 10:46:03
I would like to get into topre eventually when my Model M is fully up and working properly, which I don't think it really is at the moment, but I am liking the sound of the Kalih switches on the new KC range, hopefully CPT Badass comes out with a glowing review of the brown K switch (which is apparently almost like ergo clears?) so I may have to procure one of those before looking towards topre, alps and a Korean. I'm just doing a bit of a rotation at the moment, and I think I will swap out my 108 for my 84 when I get home, show it some love again :)
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 27 July 2014, 13:25:22
(http://gadgets.boingboing.net/filesroot/sonyericssonUMPC-thumb-520x363.jpg)
and a bit more of an 80's retro-futuristic styling.
Post by: sakai4eva on Mon, 28 July 2014, 07:04:49
Post by: johndavis33 on Mon, 28 July 2014, 14:57:55
I don't think I'll like another BS board as much as I like my M13.
I don't think I'll like another topre board as much as the HHKB.
I don't think I'll like another Cherry MX board as my banana ducky with whites.
And, I think the Northgate Omnikey may be my endgame Alps board. Then all I'll need will be a linear board.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 28 July 2014, 14:59:05
I think my "endgame" will be when I have found my favorite keyboard for every type of switch. I think I have a few already down.
I thought this at one point....until I realized how many switches existed lol.
Post by: johndavis33 on Mon, 28 July 2014, 15:03:35
I think my "endgame" will be when I have found my favorite keyboard for every type of switch. I think I have a few already down.
I thought this at one point....until I realized how many switches existed lol.
Damn... I thought I'd found a way out!
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 28 July 2014, 15:08:53
Personally, I keep discovering or hearing about new switches and keyboards to try. For example, at Keycon I tried a keyboard that had the Burroughs optical switches and acoustic switches.
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 28 July 2014, 15:12:45
Post by: johndavis33 on Mon, 28 July 2014, 15:14:56
Well maybe you can modify that statement to read, "Every switch johndavis33 is interested in".
Personally, I keep discovering or hearing about new switches and keyboards to try. For example, at Keycon I tried a keyboard that had the Burroughs optical switches and acoustic switches.
Maybe. Once I find my favorite keyboard for every switch I'm interested in, I probably will end up in an endgame of sorts.
I'll probably still buy and collect keyboards, just not at the pace I have been since I got into keyboards. In the past 2 years, I've bought I think 9 different keyboards.
My end game will probably be when I switch from buying keyboards all the time with popular switches, to buying cheap, interesting keyboards with little known switches, and only every so often.
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 July 2014, 15:19:49
Where it will go from there is anyone's guess. :p
Post by: trishume on Mon, 28 July 2014, 16:25:38
My endgame keyboard has magnetic levitation hall effect switches with individual electromagnets and analog sensing and control, allowing every key to have ANY force curve imaginable.
Imagine playing a game with analog WASD control to control movement speed with electromagnet-based force feedback so you feel the texture of the ground through your keys. Then you start typing text and the processor can tell that you aren't activating gaming controls based on the acceleration profiles from the analog sensing and automatically sends the text in chat.
It would also have an ergonomic curved layout like the Kinesis, with palm keys, an ARM processor and software to do a chording keyboard layout that lets me type at 200WPM.
THAT is endgame. Actually not even that, endgame is when EEG tech gets good enough that whichever words I intend to type just appear on the screen as fast as I can think of them.
Post by: davkol on Mon, 28 July 2014, 16:59:02
Post by: PointyFox on Mon, 28 July 2014, 21:44:59
Many of these suggestions seem more "current tech level" than "endgame" to me.
My endgame keyboard has magnetic levitation hall effect switches with individual electromagnets and analog sensing and control, allowing every key to have ANY force curve imaginable.
Imagine playing a game with analog WASD control to control movement speed with electromagnet-based force feedback so you feel the texture of the ground through your keys. Then you start typing text and the processor can tell that you aren't activating gaming controls based on the acceleration profiles from the analog sensing and automatically sends the text in chat.
It would also have an ergonomic curved layout like the Kinesis, with palm keys, an ARM processor and software to do a chording keyboard layout that lets me type at 200WPM.
THAT is endgame. Actually not even that, endgame is when EEG tech gets good enough that whichever words I intend to type just appear on the screen as fast as I can think of them.
Force isn't texture.
Post by: xandr on Mon, 28 July 2014, 22:18:29
Alas, there's no such thing.
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 28 July 2014, 22:21:06
HHKB layout, Cherry MX, sandblasted (Apple style) aluminium case, ISO layout … would be my endgame keyboard.
Alas, there's no such thing.
GH60 supports this layout, I do believe. Then all you need is a case.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 28 July 2014, 22:21:36
HHKB layout, Cherry MX, sandblasted (Apple style) aluminium case, ISO layout … would be my endgame keyboard.
Alas, there's no such thing.
Get that attitude outta here! If it doesn't exist, make it! :D
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 28 July 2014, 22:22:09
HHKB layout, Cherry MX, sandblasted (Apple style) aluminium case, ISO layout … would be my endgame keyboard.
Alas, there's no such thing.
GH60 supports this layout, I do believe. Then all you need is a case.
At least one person at one point ordered an aluminum case from treble318 with the Apple blasted finish...
Post by: lotus1109 on Mon, 28 July 2014, 22:59:28
Post by: Doyniish on Mon, 28 July 2014, 23:42:47
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 29 July 2014, 00:14:43
* Leeku 3000 PCB and corresponding plates, modern black shell, 104 layout.
* Matias switches, loud variety.
* Assortment of double-shot and dye-sub caps from a graveyard worth of dead boards. Possibly with Hangul just for the lulz.
Post by: frosty on Tue, 29 July 2014, 12:39:41
mx board
• linear
• smooth, i mean like hall effect smooth
• 55 gram weight
• stabilizers that make long keys feel like normal keys
• media control in function layer
• WHITE COLOUR CASING I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH I THINK I MIGHT A WHITE FETISH (please don't relate this to what you may relate it to)
• thick thick pbt
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 July 2014, 12:41:56
Many of these suggestions seem more "current tech level" than "endgame" to me.
end game board... eh?
I find it very interesting that to you two especially, endgame means your dream board. I've never associated it like that. Thanks for sharing.
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 29 July 2014, 12:43:29
Many of these suggestions seem more "current tech level" than "endgame" to me.end game board... eh?
I find it very interesting that to you two especially, endgame means your dream board. I've never associated it like that. Thanks for sharing.
Endgame means dream to me as well. Luckily, my dream board is well within my reach...just need that damn alu case.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 July 2014, 12:45:31
A typical endgame board as I see it could be a KMAC or an LZ-S or a 6019284.
Post by: frosty on Tue, 29 July 2014, 13:16:34
Many of these suggestions seem more "current tech level" than "endgame" to me.end game board... eh?
I find it very interesting that to you two especially, endgame means your dream board. I've never associated it like that. Thanks for sharing.
yes, why would i get another board if i already have my dream board?
unless you mean 60% buckling... :)
i define "game" as finding the best keyboard of my preference. so end game would be finding it and obtaining it! :)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 July 2014, 13:18:16
unless you mean 60% buckling... :)
I have one of those ;)
Post by: frosty on Tue, 29 July 2014, 13:42:03
unless you mean 60% buckling... :)
I have one of those ;)
i... i... i'm swayed.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 July 2014, 13:44:13
unless you mean 60% buckling... :)
I have one of those ;)
i... i... i'm swayed.
They're the IBM 6019284 "Kishsaver" keyboards that were sold earlier this year. Tinlong found a whole bunch of them. Here's a picture of a couple from HoffmanMyster (https://secure.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/14657892812/in/set-72157645685459021).
Post by: lcs on Tue, 29 July 2014, 13:52:31
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 29 July 2014, 14:35:34
unless you mean 60% buckling... :)
I have one of those ;)
i... i... i'm swayed.
They're the IBM 6019284 "Kishsaver" keyboards that were sold earlier this year. Tinlong found a whole bunch of them. Here's a picture of a couple from HoffmanMyster (https://secure.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/14657892812/in/set-72157645685459021).
I enjoy that picture quite a bit. :D
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 29 July 2014, 14:37:14
Post by: xandr on Tue, 29 July 2014, 22:52:28
GH60 supports this layout, I do believe. Then all you need is a case.
FaceW/FaceU theoretically supports that layout too. I mean, it's not complicated really. Basically a standard ISO Poker II without Control keys and 2 1x1 instead of the 2x1 backspace.
Get that attitude outta here! If it doesn't exist, make it! :D
At least one person at one point ordered an aluminum case from treble318 with the Apple blasted finish...
That's the thing. So far the only case that comes close is the Duck Viper and that needs a PCB that doesn't have the "corners" where the Control keys would sit - which probably wouldn't be hard to fix with a dremel/saw and a bit of jumper wires - however, it has it's own standoff/screw layout, so you can't use any of the other 60% PCBs.
It's not like I haven't looked into it, y'know? :)
Post by: frosty on Wed, 30 July 2014, 10:18:38
end game board... eh?
mx board
• linear
• smooth, i mean like hall effect smooth
• 55 gram weight
• stabilizers that make long keys feel like normal keys
• media control in function layer
• WHITE COLOUR CASING I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH I THINK I MIGHT A WHITE FETISH (please don't relate this to what you may relate it to)
• thick thick pbt
psst guys,
i'm getting my lube from geekhackers, white case and pbts from a poker 2 i'm gonna buy and 55g springs/vintage black already on hand...
is the game ending for me?
or is the mythical HHKB making me go on another quest?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 30 July 2014, 10:19:35
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 31 July 2014, 03:35:16
Post by: pasph on Thu, 31 July 2014, 05:03:43
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 31 July 2014, 06:36:24
Datamancer 'cause after that i'll be out of money forever
Them are some sexy boards. One happened to make it into a SciFy TV series. The show Warehouse 13, one of the main characters uses one along with what looks like an LCD monitor from Datamancer as well.
Post by: Daspartic on Thu, 31 July 2014, 22:37:36
unless you mean 60% buckling... :)
I have one of those ;)
i... i... i'm swayed.
They're the IBM 6019284 "Kishsaver" keyboards that were sold earlier this year. Tinlong found a whole bunch of them. Here's a picture of a couple from HoffmanMyster (https://secure.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/14657892812/in/set-72157645685459021).
Hey CptBadAss, does the Kishsaver feel like the XT or the AT? I've always wondered what they felt like.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 31 July 2014, 22:40:45
Hey CptBadAss, does the Kishsaver feel like the XT or the AT? I've always wondered what they felt like.
I think the XT is the one with the normal spacebar and the AT is the one with the super heavy spacebar? If that memory is correct, it feels like an XT. It feels like a standard Model F switch but it's got the lovely layout.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 31 July 2014, 23:00:26
Post by: Daspartic on Fri, 01 August 2014, 00:43:10
Hey CptBadAss, does the Kishsaver feel like the XT or the AT? I've always wondered what they felt like.
I think the XT is the one with the normal spacebar and the AT is the one with the super heavy spacebar? If that memory is correct, it feels like an XT. It feels like a standard Model F switch but it's got the lovely layout.
Hmm, they both feel kinda heavy to me, but I think the XT spacebar is a bit heavier. Either way I'm sure it feels really nice. Thanks for the reply Capt.
Post by: Kraksx on Fri, 01 August 2014, 09:37:04
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 01 August 2014, 10:04:16
My endgame board would just be a Poker II with the Raindrop cap set, a blue tex case, and white led's I soldiered in myself
pls don't steal my keyboard. :-*
Post by: Kraksx on Fri, 01 August 2014, 10:30:26
Nooooo! Is that really what you have?My endgame board would just be a Poker II with the Raindrop cap set, a blue tex case, and white led's I soldiered in myself
pls don't steal my keyboard. :-*
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 01 August 2014, 14:30:43
Nooooo! Is that really what you have?My endgame board would just be a Poker II with the Raindrop cap set, a blue tex case, and white led's I soldiered in myself
pls don't steal my keyboard. :-*
Well I don't have the white LEDs, but I'm like 20 minutes away from having them if I wanted. :P Already have the LEDs.
Also should perhaps clarify I have Raindrop V1. ;) Not sure which one you're after.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3904/14415091868_d9af0411ca_b.jpg)
Poker II (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/14415091868/) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
Post by: Kraksx on Fri, 01 August 2014, 14:31:42
It's so beautiful....Nooooo! Is that really what you have?My endgame board would just be a Poker II with the Raindrop cap set, a blue tex case, and white led's I soldiered in myself
pls don't steal my keyboard. :-*
Well I don't have the white LEDs, but I'm like 20 minutes away from having them if I wanted. :P Already have the LEDs.
Also should perhaps clarify I have Raindrop V1. ;) Not sure which one you're after.Show Image(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3904/14415091868_d9af0411ca_b.jpg)
Poker II (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/14415091868/) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
a guy can dream
Post by: Touch_It on Fri, 01 August 2014, 19:11:58
Post by: TheMark on Fri, 01 August 2014, 19:15:38
Nooooo! Is that really what you have?My endgame board would just be a Poker II with the Raindrop cap set, a blue tex case, and white led's I soldiered in myself
pls don't steal my keyboard. :-*
Well I don't have the white LEDs, but I'm like 20 minutes away from having them if I wanted. :P Already have the LEDs.
Also should perhaps clarify I have Raindrop V1. ;) Not sure which one you're after.Show Image(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3904/14415091868_d9af0411ca_b.jpg)
Poker II (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/14415091868/) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
That's my endgame wrist rest! Where can I buy?
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 01 August 2014, 19:39:33
And, I think the Northgate Omnikey may be my endgame Alps board. Then all I'll need will be a linear board.Hall effect.
That's as endgame as it gets with linear.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 03 August 2014, 13:55:52
Nooooo! Is that really what you have?My endgame board would just be a Poker II with the Raindrop cap set, a blue tex case, and white led's I soldiered in myself
pls don't steal my keyboard. :-*
Well I don't have the white LEDs, but I'm like 20 minutes away from having them if I wanted. :P Already have the LEDs.
Also should perhaps clarify I have Raindrop V1. ;) Not sure which one you're after.Show Image(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3904/14415091868_d9af0411ca_b.jpg)
Poker II (https://www.flickr.com/photos/99522542@N03/14415091868/) by HoffmanMyster (https://www.flickr.com/people/99522542@N03/), on Flickr
That's my endgame wrist rest! Where can I buy?
I had The_Beast make this one for me, but I'm not sure he's taking orders right now. He's been pretty busy with other stuff lately.
It's called the Hashbaz Triple, and I know hashbaz has the same layering of wood, but I'm not sure of anyone else that has it. Not that that helps you find one, but it's at least some more random info about it. ;)
Post by: TheMark on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:22:14
Edit: I was incorrect about him being local, my bad.