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Title: Corsair H60
Post by: Kraksx on Fri, 25 July 2014, 17:00:57
I'm in the market to get a new cooler for my cpu as the stock one I have right now is really loud and I hate it. I don't need anything fancy and I don't overclock so it doesn't need to be too crazy about cooling. I've been looking at the H60 and was wondering if any of you have it and can tell me how it is on noise.

Here's the link to it: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Series-Performance-Liquid-Cooler/dp/B00A0HZMGA/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1406325290&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=corsair+h60
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 July 2014, 17:07:06
lol

get the 212 evo on sale for $10-20   call it a day..

H60 isn't even quiet... All AIO water coolers are Chirp-ee..  they make a high pitch churrzzzzzzeh  sound because they have tiny impellers moving not alot of water.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Kraksx on Fri, 25 July 2014, 17:14:43
lol

get the 212 evo on sale for $10-20   call it a day..

H60 isn't even quiet... All AIO water coolers are Chirp-ee..  they make a high pitch churrzzzzzzeh  sound because they have tiny impellers moving not alot of water.

Alright thanks, it does look quiet and that's what I want, I cant stand how loud my pc is right now
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Xenderwind on Fri, 25 July 2014, 17:28:55
lol

get the 212 evo on sale for $10-20   call it a day..

H60 isn't even quiet... All AIO water coolers are Chirp-ee..  they make a high pitch churrzzzzzzeh  sound because they have tiny impellers moving not alot of water.

Alright thanks, it does look quiet and that's what I want, I cant stand how loud my pc is right now
It's probably loud because its a stock cooler with a **** fan that has to work harder to cool your cpu.

Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Kraksx on Fri, 25 July 2014, 17:30:39
lol

get the 212 evo on sale for $10-20   call it a day..

H60 isn't even quiet... All AIO water coolers are Chirp-ee..  they make a high pitch churrzzzzzzeh  sound because they have tiny impellers moving not alot of water.

Alright thanks, it does look quiet and that's what I want, I cant stand how loud my pc is right now
It's probably loud because its a stock cooler with a **** fan that has to work harder to cool your cpu.

Well yeah I know stock coolers are ****, that's why I wanted to hear you guys's opinions
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: vun on Fri, 25 July 2014, 17:39:09
If you don't plan on overclocking much then the H60 should be just fine, even with the ****ty preapplied paste. It's likely not the best choice, but it's good enough for stock speeds at least, if you want to OC I'd recommend to remove the preapplied paste and apply your own.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Xenderwind on Fri, 25 July 2014, 17:46:27
If you don't plan on overclocking much then the H60 should be just fine, even with the ****ty preapplied paste. It's likely not the best choice, but it's good enough for stock speeds at least, if you want to OC I'd recommend to remove the preapplied paste and apply your own.
Still doesn't make it worth the cost.  A 212+ is more than enough for most and its insanely cheap.  Even h100's have been as low as $40-50 in the past.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 July 2014, 18:08:17
If you don't plan on overclocking much then the H60 should be just fine, even with the ****ty preapplied paste. It's likely not the best choice, but it's good enough for stock speeds at least, if you want to OC I'd recommend to remove the preapplied paste and apply your own.
Still doesn't make it worth the cost.  A 212+ is more than enough for most and its insanely cheap.  Even h100's have been as low as $40-50 in the past.


212+ has been $7 and free  ... can't beat that with h100..(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/embarrassed2-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862502)

lowest on 212 evo i think is $15

OP.. your CPU fan might not be the ONLY loud element inside your pc..

It could be your PSU fan, or perhaps one of your Case fans..
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Kraksx on Fri, 25 July 2014, 18:10:51
If you don't plan on overclocking much then the H60 should be just fine, even with the ****ty preapplied paste. It's likely not the best choice, but it's good enough for stock speeds at least, if you want to OC I'd recommend to remove the preapplied paste and apply your own.
Still doesn't make it worth the cost.  A 212+ is more than enough for most and its insanely cheap.  Even h100's have been as low as $40-50 in the past.


212+ has been $7 and free  ... can't beat that with h100..
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lowest on 212 evo i think is $15

OP.. your CPU fan might not be the ONLY loud element inside your pc..

It could be your PSU fan, or perhaps one of your Case fans..
Nah ive checked, everything makes noise obviously but the cpu fan is SIGNIFICANTLY louder than everything else
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Xenderwind on Fri, 25 July 2014, 18:14:39
If you don't plan on overclocking much then the H60 should be just fine, even with the ****ty preapplied paste. It's likely not the best choice, but it's good enough for stock speeds at least, if you want to OC I'd recommend to remove the preapplied paste and apply your own.
Still doesn't make it worth the cost.  A 212+ is more than enough for most and its insanely cheap.  Even h100's have been as low as $40-50 in the past.


212+ has been $7 and free  ... can't beat that with h100..
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lowest on 212 evo i think is $15

OP.. your CPU fan might not be the ONLY loud element inside your pc..

It could be your PSU fan, or perhaps one of your Case fans..
Oh I'm not saying its the better option.  Just that if he really wanted a closed loop that was another option.


Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 July 2014, 18:23:52
If you don't plan on overclocking much then the H60 should be just fine, even with the ****ty preapplied paste. It's likely not the best choice, but it's good enough for stock speeds at least, if you want to OC I'd recommend to remove the preapplied paste and apply your own.
Still doesn't make it worth the cost.  A 212+ is more than enough for most and its insanely cheap.  Even h100's have been as low as $40-50 in the past.


212+ has been $7 and free  ... can't beat that with h100..
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lowest on 212 evo i think is $15

OP.. your CPU fan might not be the ONLY loud element inside your pc..

It could be your PSU fan, or perhaps one of your Case fans..
Nah ive checked, everything makes noise obviously but the cpu fan is SIGNIFICANTLY louder than everything else

did you do the finger test?

run intel burn test..  put your finger near the spindle of the fan.. and slowly stop it.

You could use a stick, if you're chicken.. (hence -chicken stick-) <-that's a real thing..
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 July 2014, 18:24:30
If you don't plan on overclocking much then the H60 should be just fine, even with the ****ty preapplied paste. It's likely not the best choice, but it's good enough for stock speeds at least, if you want to OC I'd recommend to remove the preapplied paste and apply your own.
Still doesn't make it worth the cost.  A 212+ is more than enough for most and its insanely cheap.  Even h100's have been as low as $40-50 in the past.


212+ has been $7 and free  ... can't beat that with h100..
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lowest on 212 evo i think is $15

OP.. your CPU fan might not be the ONLY loud element inside your pc..

It could be your PSU fan, or perhaps one of your Case fans..
Oh I'm not saying its the better option.  Just that if he really wanted a closed loop that was another option.




the only h100 that ever went for $50  was the one with that pump problem..
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 25 July 2014, 19:21:26
I have the H60 and haven't ever had an issue with it as far as noise. It works well and is fairly quiet.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 July 2014, 19:29:48
I have the H60 and haven't ever had an issue with it as far as noise. It works well and is fairly quiet.

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Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: jameslr on Fri, 25 July 2014, 19:39:18
I have the H60 and haven't ever had an issue with it as far as noise. It works well and is fairly quiet.

Same, I have an H60 and an H100i and they're both nice units. The Hyper 212 Evo is the best bang for the buck though. I don't care about the fan noise as I have a small fan sitting beside me running constantly
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 July 2014, 20:18:22
I have the H60 and haven't ever had an issue with it as far as noise. It works well and is fairly quiet.

Same, I have an H60 and an H100i and they're both nice units. The Hyper 212 Evo is the best bang for the buck though. I don't care about the fan noise as I have a small fan sitting beside me running constantly

how do you guys NOT hear that pump whine noise...   do you guys have loud ambient sound levels?

My ambient is ~20-23db

I can hear a fly on the other side of the house sometimes...   (the big kind, not the small flies)
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: nubbinator on Fri, 25 July 2014, 22:22:30
If you're willing to drop H60 money, forget about the H60.  It's overpriced and mediocre.  The Phanteks TC12DX or Thermalright Macho are both better and quieter than the H60.

My opinion is that you should never buy a CLC like the H60 unless you have one of two reasons:  One, you can't fit a tower style heatsink in your case, so small form factor or some crappy cases.  Two, you're buying it for aesthetics.  Otherwise, at just about every price point (barring crazy sales), there's a better air cooler at a better price.

That and I personally boycott Corsair because I think they're overpriced for the quality and just riding the hype train still.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 25 July 2014, 22:47:43
If you're willing to drop H60 money, forget about the H60.  It's overpriced and mediocre.  The Phanteks TC12DX or Thermalright Macho are both better and quieter than the H60.

My opinion is that you should never buy a CLC like the H60 unless you have one of two reasons:  One, you can't fit a tower style heatsink in your case, so small form factor or some crappy cases.  Two, you're buying it for aesthetics.  Otherwise, at just about every price point (barring crazy sales), there's a better air cooler at a better price.

That and I personally boycott Corsair because I think they're overpriced for the quality and just riding the hype train still.

i was sorely disappointed in the corsair fans.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: missalaire on Sat, 26 July 2014, 02:14:15
I have the H60 and haven't ever had an issue with it as far as noise. It works well and is fairly quiet.

Same, I have an H60 and an H100i and they're both nice units. The Hyper 212 Evo is the best bang for the buck though. I don't care about the fan noise as I have a small fan sitting beside me running constantly

Agreed. The next cooler I plan on buying once I get a new job lined up won't be Corsair though. The Swiftech H220x looks pretty sweet and is expandable :D
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: blackbox on Sat, 26 July 2014, 05:10:28
I have the H60 and haven't ever had an issue with it as far as noise. It works well and is fairly quiet.

Same, I have an H60 and an H100i and they're both nice units. The Hyper 212 Evo is the best bang for the buck though. I don't care about the fan noise as I have a small fan sitting beside me running constantly

Agreed. The next cooler I plan on buying once I get a new job lined up won't be Corsair though. The Swiftech H220x looks pretty sweet and is expandable :D

Yes the h220x looks really nice! I agree with folks here about the 212+. Noctua has some good cpucoolers to.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 26 July 2014, 05:27:31
I have the H60 and haven't ever had an issue with it as far as noise. It works well and is fairly quiet.

Same, I have an H60 and an H100i and they're both nice units. The Hyper 212 Evo is the best bang for the buck though. I don't care about the fan noise as I have a small fan sitting beside me running constantly

Agreed. The next cooler I plan on buying once I get a new job lined up won't be Corsair though. The Swiftech H220x looks pretty sweet and is expandable :D

Yes the h220x looks really nice! I agree with folks here about the 212+. Noctua has some good cpucoolers to.

???????????

h220x , what's with all this n00b gear...  they don't work well, they're make zzzzz sound, and their ultimate capacity is low..

Exapandable, not really, you'll get like no flow with the better blocks, there's not enough pressure on these.


Delid + nhd14 or 15..  that's the best CPU cooling on the market and most reliable..


AIO is only relevant for something like a 290/290x or even 7970s  but Nothing else these days really benefit from Water..
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 26 July 2014, 08:50:39
I can say the H60 does not make any type of rattle like the original H80/100 did so they seem to of fixed the issue its up to you really I somewhat agree with TP4 in the fact that really these lower end solutions will not be that much better, and most of these are just for people to say its water cooled :/

Up to you anyway bud personally the H60 worked fine for me as I used it for a ITX build as a standard cooler wouldn't work, but its all down to personal opinion.

Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Kraksx on Sat, 26 July 2014, 08:52:15
I can say the H60 does not make any type of rattle like the original H80/100 did so they seem to of fixed the issue its up to you really I somewhat agree with TP4 in the fact that really these lower end solutions will not be that much better, and most of these are just for people to say its water cooled :/

Up to you anyway bud personally the H60 worked fine for me as I used it for a ITX build as a standard cooler wouldn't work, but its all down to personal opinion.

I think I'm going to go with the EVO
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 26 July 2014, 08:55:31
I can say the H60 does not make any type of rattle like the original H80/100 did so they seem to of fixed the issue its up to you really I somewhat agree with TP4 in the fact that really these lower end solutions will not be that much better, and most of these are just for people to say its water cooled :/

Up to you anyway bud personally the H60 worked fine for me as I used it for a ITX build as a standard cooler wouldn't work, but its all down to personal opinion.

I think I'm going to go with the EVO

Thats the best bet bud at least if it turn out you don't like it or it does not suit your needs you won't of lost much :) good luck anyway it would be nice to hear a update once it's all done
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Kraksx on Sat, 26 July 2014, 09:00:34
I can say the H60 does not make any type of rattle like the original H80/100 did so they seem to of fixed the issue its up to you really I somewhat agree with TP4 in the fact that really these lower end solutions will not be that much better, and most of these are just for people to say its water cooled :/

Up to you anyway bud personally the H60 worked fine for me as I used it for a ITX build as a standard cooler wouldn't work, but its all down to personal opinion.

I think I'm going to go with the EVO

Thats the best bet bud at least if it turn out you don't like it or it does not suit your needs you won't of lost much :) good luck anyway it would be nice to hear a update once it's all done

Yeah exactly, if I don't like it oh well.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 26 July 2014, 10:19:16
I can say the H60 does not make any type of rattle like the original H80/100 did so they seem to of fixed the issue its up to you really I somewhat agree with TP4 in the fact that really these lower end solutions will not be that much better, and most of these are just for people to say its water cooled :/

Up to you anyway bud personally the H60 worked fine for me as I used it for a ITX build as a standard cooler wouldn't work, but its all down to personal opinion.

I think I'm going to go with the EVO

Thats the best bet bud at least if it turn out you don't like it or it does not suit your needs you won't of lost much :) good luck anyway it would be nice to hear a update once it's all done

Yeah exactly, if I don't like it oh well.

The h60 is necessary for itx, because the Tower coolers usually don't fit..

But in terms of performance.. the h60 is only (on par) with 120mm towers.. maybe 2-5 C lower on Load with a heavy Overclock. 1.35v+
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: jameslr on Tue, 29 July 2014, 12:15:29
Since I spend the majority of my time at the computer listening to music on my headphones or playing games with headphones on I don't really care. My cans have nice sound isolation and I usually have them cranked up. Ambient noise means little to me, except when I'm working. Since I work from home and I mentioned I have a fan that runs pretty much non-stop - it doesn't bother me much if at all. I used to require a lot of silence when working, but that was before I had kids. Now a lot of silence bugs me...as if something is missing.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 29 July 2014, 18:53:34
Since I spend the majority of my time at the computer listening to music on my headphones or playing games with headphones on I don't really care. My cans have nice sound isolation and I usually have them cranked up. Ambient noise means little to me, except when I'm working. Since I work from home and I mentioned I have a fan that runs pretty much non-stop - it doesn't bother me much if at all. I used to require a lot of silence when working, but that was before I had kids. Now a lot of silence bugs me...as if something is missing.

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Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 29 July 2014, 23:43:34
ever since i went with closed loop, i'll never buy another god damn heatsink ever again. i have h60 and h100 for 3 years? 4 years? everything controlled with speed fan, all fans are on like 30% speed.

sure get the EVO, like many said, it is the best bang for buck.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 July 2014, 00:39:16
ever since i went with closed loop, i'll never buy another god damn heatsink ever again. i have h60 and h100 for 3 years? 4 years? everything controlled with speed fan, all fans are on like 30% speed.

sure get the EVO, like many said, it is the best bang for buck.

but why?
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 30 July 2014, 01:50:31
i literally have 2 moving boxes full of heatsinks, these big horrible towers that sometimes use an ungodly amount of pressure to mount and have super horrible bracket mounting systems, some even with washers and springs.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: blackbox on Wed, 30 July 2014, 01:54:20
Have you ever tried a noctua tower cooler?
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 30 July 2014, 03:49:46
ever since i went with closed loop, i'll never buy another god damn heatsink ever again. i have h60 and h100 for 3 years? 4 years? everything controlled with speed fan, all fans are on like 30% speed.

Have the H60 as well on 3 PC's mainly due to lack of height inside their cases, all work perfectly with no issues at all.  Just pick choice fans that are silent and you have a very tidy and neat system.

Also have installed Noctua's, Thermalright's, Prolimatech's, Tuniq's and Phantek's but installing the Corsair H60 in a confined space, is the easiest by far  :thumb: .
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: ApocalypseMaow on Wed, 30 July 2014, 04:09:46
I have the H60 and haven't ever had an issue with it as far as noise. It works well and is fairly quiet.
I've got one too and it's just fine.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: evolveS on Wed, 30 July 2014, 09:15:03
I also have a first-gen H60 with two Yate Loons in push-pull and it's barely audible. There's plenty of cooling headroom for overclocking a 2600k to >4gHz.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 30 July 2014, 11:30:18
yea all those heavy ass heatsink towers, every motherboard up until i started using closed loop cooling has been bent/bow'd.  also since they're towers, and they're super huge, they have lots of fins to do the cooling and since they have lots of fins thats lots of surface area, which also means lots of dust. and usually you'd have 2 fans on it, cuz... why would have 1 at this point. so now with a closed loop you have 2 less fans, cuz you're gonna have case fans for air circulation anyway.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 July 2014, 12:10:46
For the slightly reduced bowing.. (which doesn't even matter)..

the AIO coolers are extremely risky..

The connections are all plastic..   throughout the day   hot and cold causes thermals stress on the ends...

Cracks and Leaks are inevitable, it's only a matter of time..


WHY introduce this highly deadly point of failure into your system, WHEN it provides no tangible benefit.

It doesn't cool better

It is absolutely louder, squeaky impeller noise

and it WILL pour water on your parts at some point.. (matter of when, not IF)



The modern crop of chips, do not even require the largest heatsinks anymore, after delid,  they can use something like the 212 evo, which is fairly light weight, aluminum fin design.



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Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 30 July 2014, 14:34:21
i'm pretty sure the only way a closed loop system leaks, is if someone fumbled it about so much they busted a seal or stabbed a hose, pretty much user error. no one is gonna admit they have fat fingers and are about as graceful as a mac truck, this of course leads to something happening.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 July 2014, 15:01:14
i'm pretty sure the only way a closed loop system leaks, is if someone fumbled it about so much they busted a seal or stabbed a hose, pretty much user error. no one is gonna admit they have fat fingers and are about as graceful as a mac truck, this of course leads to something happening.

naw bro..

It's not fat fingers..  plastic cracks over time.. especially plastic under tension..  and it's only made worse by  the thermal stress of heating and cooling by the cpu..

There was a TIME... when you really needed water cooling to Overclock..

But that's no longer the case with CPUs..

GPUs  yes.. you still kinda NEED water cooling.. but CPU, risky business...
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 30 July 2014, 16:10:39
you're trying to force an opinion to avoid a product on the extreme off chance of theoretical probability that equipment will fail, well eventually everything fails.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 30 July 2014, 17:32:18
you're trying to force an opinion to avoid a product on the extreme off chance of theoretical probability that equipment will fail, well eventually everything fails.

Not tower coolers bro..  There's nearly nothing in there that can fail, unless you drop it on hard ground and crack the pipes..


The connectors on AIOs are not theoretical failure points, they're definite failure points..


I'm not arguing the likelihood here,  they bring no real benefit while increasing risk..

Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: blackbox on Thu, 31 July 2014, 03:11:32
No real benefits? If where not talking about temperatures, there are other benefits to AIO watercoolers.

Ram compabillity:
Dosent matter which ram modules you use since the cpu block is not going to interfere with the ram like it does on some big tower coolers

More effecient airflow:
AIO coolers CAN improve airflow since you mount the radiator directly to the case and not in the middle of it. Many cases have limited airflow over the CPU compared to a direct intake.

That being said I have nothing against tower coolers. I just didnt agree that AIO have no benefits :). An example is the brilliant noctua d15. Beats many AIOs, but it is also a gigantic tower cooler.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 31 July 2014, 10:12:49
Time to be the devil's advocate. 

No real benefits? If where not talking about temperatures, there are other benefits to AIO watercoolers.

Ram compabillity:
Dosent matter which ram modules you use since the cpu block is not going to interfere with the ram like it does on some big tower coolers

There's really one main brand that has incompatible RAM, Corsair.  Their RAM is designed to try and get people to buy their CLCs.  It's not great RAM and uses lower quality ICs than comparably priced G.Skill and Mushkin RAM that has low profile heatsinks and ICs that overclock better. 

Additionally, there is no benefit to massive RAM sinks.

More effecient airflow:
AIO coolers CAN improve airflow since you mount the radiator directly to the case and not in the middle of it. Many cases have limited airflow over the CPU compared to a direct intake.

They can also be much worse for airflow.  If you look at reviews that actually measure temps on different parts of the board, CLCs always have higher VRM temps than than tower heatsinks.  Higher VRM temps means less stable overclocks or more voltage required to get a good, stable overclock and they mean increased chances of VRM failure.

In my experience, a properly set up case with good fans will have better temps with a tower sink than a CLC.  The main benefit of a CLC for temps is that if it is set up as an intake, it get usually cooler ambient air directly to the radiator instead of warmer air that's circulating inside the case.


That being said I have nothing against tower coolers. I just didnt agree that AIO have no benefits :). An example is the brilliant noctua d15. Beats many AIOs, but it is also a gigantic tower cooler.

I generally don't agree with tp, but I only see three benefits to CLCs: 1.  They can be more aesthetically pleasing, 2. They offer cooling superior cooling to the low end sinks that will only fit in some small form factor cases (like certain ITX cases and some Lian Li cases), 3. They're better for people who move their computer around a lot (like LANers).
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 July 2014, 13:15:17
No real benefits? If where not talking about temperatures, there are other benefits to AIO watercoolers.

Ram compabillity:
Dosent matter which ram modules you use since the cpu block is not going to interfere with the ram like it does on some big tower coolers

More effecient airflow:
AIO coolers CAN improve airflow since you mount the radiator directly to the case and not in the middle of it. Many cases have limited airflow over the CPU compared to a direct intake.

That being said I have nothing against tower coolers. I just didnt agree that AIO have no benefits :). An example is the brilliant noctua d15. Beats many AIOs, but it is also a gigantic tower cooler.


Yup.... absolutely NO BENEFIT..


Space...  just get a bigger case

Cooling... Overclock cpus do not benefit from upper bound cooling, because they top out @ 4.8 ghz within 60-90C   makes no difference where you land on that...

Cooling...  Stock cpus can use stock cooling,  you're just blowing money...

Longevity... the AIO coolers are bad and will crap out long before your CPU does...

More efficient?...  the biggest aio coolers have only a slightly lower upper bound temperature than the large 120mm towers which cost  1/5th the price..

The reason... DELID....

If you don't Delid your CPU,  you're doing something wrong... it is VITAL on all modern haswell and Ivybridge.



If you have a COMPELLING REASON to use a smaller case, "out side of, my girlfriend thinks it looks cute"...   then, perhaps yes, AIO is the way to go..   


Smaller Case = BAD 99% of the time.. due to cabling, and heat..   even in this scenario, if the Tower FITs, the reliability factor still means you should use a tower.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 31 July 2014, 14:37:59
Space...  just get a bigger case

Cooling... Overclock cpus do not benefit from upper bound cooling, because they top out @ 4.8 ghz within 60-90C   makes no difference where you land on that...

Cooling...  Stock cpus can use stock cooling,  you're just blowing money...

Longevity... the AIO coolers are bad and will crap out long before your CPU does...

More efficient?...  the biggest aio coolers have only a slightly lower upper bound temperature than the large 120mm towers which cost  1/5th the price..

The reason... DELID....

If you don't Delid your CPU,  you're doing something wrong... it is VITAL on all modern haswell and Ivybridge.



If you have a COMPELLING REASON to use a smaller case, "out side of, my girlfriend thinks it looks cute"...   then, perhaps yes, AIO is the way to go..   


Smaller Case = BAD 99% of the time.. due to cabling, and heat..   even in this scenario, if the Tower FITs, the reliability factor still means you should use a tower.

I have a CMstorm hx50 (with a 212 heatsink of course) case and it's huge. Gets great cooling though. I am thinking of getting a fan controller so I can turn them off, or getting slower case fans: I fire up P95 and it still is barely above ambient. It's remarkable, really.

Is Yate Loon a good manufacturer? I got a few of them out of some UPS's someone was throwing out, but they didn't move enough air for my needs so now they are in a box. (since my wants in a fan at the time were related to getting a hovercraft off the ground with as much weight as possible, I ended up with a pair of 5" nidecs 12V & ~35W out of a server. They are frightening)
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 July 2014, 14:46:22
Space...  just get a bigger case

Cooling... Overclock cpus do not benefit from upper bound cooling, because they top out @ 4.8 ghz within 60-90C   makes no difference where you land on that...

Cooling...  Stock cpus can use stock cooling,  you're just blowing money...

Longevity... the AIO coolers are bad and will crap out long before your CPU does...

More efficient?...  the biggest aio coolers have only a slightly lower upper bound temperature than the large 120mm towers which cost  1/5th the price..

The reason... DELID....

If you don't Delid your CPU,  you're doing something wrong... it is VITAL on all modern haswell and Ivybridge.



If you have a COMPELLING REASON to use a smaller case, "out side of, my girlfriend thinks it looks cute"...   then, perhaps yes, AIO is the way to go..   


Smaller Case = BAD 99% of the time.. due to cabling, and heat..   even in this scenario, if the Tower FITs, the reliability factor still means you should use a tower.

I have a CMstorm hx50 (with a 212 heatsink of course) case and it's huge. Gets great cooling though. I am thinking of getting a fan controller so I can turn them off, or getting slower case fans: I fire up P95 and it still is barely above ambient. It's remarkable, really.

Is Yate Loon a good manufacturer? I got a few of them out of some UPS's someone was throwing out, but they didn't move enough air for my needs so now they are in a box. (since my wants in a fan at the time were related to getting a hovercraft off the ground with as much weight as possible, I ended up with a pair of 5" nidecs 12V & ~35W out of a server. They are frightening)



Technically..... best fan for sound/ air pressure is scythe gentle typhoon..

They're really really good..

but.. generally, i don't think they're worth the price if you have a big case, because you can get away with simply having more fans.   and if they're at low rpm, sleeve bearing fans are much more quiet vs ball bearing..


So if your case has good flow,  get low rpm sleeve bearing,   yateloon is just a brand, they make all sorts.

it's not necessary to consider brand/ quality when we're talking low rpm sleeve bearing..  because they more/less all perform identically.


JUst dont' buy the ebay fans.. omg they're so bad.. the mold is like all bent, and the fans are off balance.. LOL

Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Xenderwind on Thu, 31 July 2014, 15:56:29
Is Yate Loon a good manufacturer? I got a few of them out of some UPS's someone was throwing out, but they didn't move enough air for my needs so now they are in a box. (since my wants in a fan at the time were related to getting a hovercraft off the ground with as much weight as possible, I ended up with a pair of 5" nidecs 12V & ~35W out of a server. They are frightening)
I use the yate loon high speed ones and connect them to a fan controller at the lowest settings.  They seem sufficient enough and I liked them because of their cost compared to other brands and they didn't have leds (which is a plus for me).



as for the incompatible ram thing I can see people trying to argue that...I have a frio and I can't use my closest ram slot unless I use low profile ram.  But I'm using 2x 8gb sticks now so it's not like i need more ram.  But I would still prefer air over aio coolers even with that downside (of my cooler).
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 July 2014, 16:33:12
Is Yate Loon a good manufacturer? I got a few of them out of some UPS's someone was throwing out, but they didn't move enough air for my needs so now they are in a box. (since my wants in a fan at the time were related to getting a hovercraft off the ground with as much weight as possible, I ended up with a pair of 5" nidecs 12V & ~35W out of a server. They are frightening)
I use the yate loon high speed ones and connect them to a fan controller at the lowest settings.  They seem sufficient enough and I liked them because of their cost compared to other brands and they didn't have leds (which is a plus for me).



as for the incompatible ram thing I can see people trying to argue that...I have a frio and I can't use my closest ram slot unless I use low profile ram.  But I'm using 2x 8gb sticks now so it's not like i need more ram.  But I would still prefer air over aio coolers even with that downside (of my cooler).

just switch to pull only configuration..

the difference that you see from push+pull is only for high 100% loads..  at 50% load,  the difference is nonexistent..

Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Lanx on Thu, 31 July 2014, 17:47:19
do you guys use speed fan? with it, fans are inaudible and only kick on when i'm at full load doing crunching, otherwise it's speedstep'd down a lot.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Xenderwind on Thu, 31 July 2014, 19:04:36
do you guys use speed fan? with it, fans are inaudible and only kick on when i'm at full load doing crunching, otherwise it's speedstep'd down a lot.
I'd rather just adjust it myself if I need to.  My gpu fan is on auto usually though.  And "inaudible" has way too many factors.  Headphones on/off(even type of headphones), position/distance from computer, sensitivity of person's ears, etc.  I think it's more you just don't notice it than it being "inaudible".
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 31 July 2014, 19:21:17
do you guys use speed fan? with it, fans are inaudible and only kick on when i'm at full load doing crunching, otherwise it's speedstep'd down a lot.
I'd rather just adjust it myself if I need to.  My gpu fan is on auto usually though.  And "inaudible" has way too many factors.  Headphones on/off(even type of headphones), position/distance from computer, sensitivity of person's ears, etc.  I think it's more you just don't notice it than it being "inaudible".

My downstairs computer is open chassis.

only 4 fans    all 120mm   top exhast, gpu, cpu, psu

That's it.. just 4.. all runnin ~ 600rpm.. Ultra silent.. can't hear unless i'm < 1m away
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Kraksx on Sun, 03 August 2014, 10:50:45
I think I'm going to go with the evo. Do you guys think the fan they give you is good enough or should I get a different one
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 03 August 2014, 12:24:10
The fan is okay.  If you're willing to spend more money on an different fan, just spend the extra money on a Thermalright Macho, Thermalright True Spirit 140, or Phanteks TC12DX.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:25:42
if ur gonna buy a fan.. get the gentle typhoon... since u only need 1.. it's not so bad in terms of cost.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: paulen on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:27:59
if ur gonna buy a fan.. get the gentle typhoon... since u only need 1.. it's not so bad in terms of cost.
I can only find some on ebay. It seems no where else selling those fans.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:29:14
if ur gonna buy a fan.. get the gentle typhoon... since u only need 1.. it's not so bad in terms of cost.
I can only find some on ebay. It seems no where else selling those fans.

There's a reason for that.. It's super good and goes out of stock
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: paulen on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:34:53
I have been looking for used one for the past years, but seems like they are just too good and no one willing to sell them :))
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:44:37
if ur gonna buy a fan.. get the gentle typhoon... since u only need 1.. it's not so bad in terms of cost.

Ehh, they're ok.  There are tons of other excellent options out there, some cheaper, some quieter, some better.  It doesn't help that Scythe is no longer selling them.  If you stumble across a Nidec Servo, it's the OEM.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:48:32
I have been looking for used one for the past years, but seems like they are just too good and no one willing to sell them :))

xactly..  (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/hell-yes-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862508)

The KEY thing to Cooling is PRESSURE..   cfm rating is not as important as the amount of pressure..

because pressure is ultimately what will move warm air..  CFM rating means nothing.. manufacturers can literally put anything they want on the box..

Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: paulen on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:51:56
that's right, that's why I have corsair so fans for my pc.
they are fine, but I want something better :-X
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:54:05
that's right, that's why I have corsair so fans for my pc.
they are fine, but I want something better :-X

i don't like the recent corsairs, because they've gone all ball bearing....

If i had water cooling.. I'd be fine with BB..  but... since I've gone full-Air... I've stuck with sleeve bearing since longevity is not an issue for my Low RPM setup..

Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: paulen on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:55:52
ture that, but I mean I bought they just because them are high c/p fans
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 03 August 2014, 20:56:43
The KEY thing to Cooling is PRESSURE..   cfm rating is not as important as the amount of pressure..

because pressure is ultimately what will move warm air..  CFM rating means nothing.. manufacturers can literally put anything they want on the box..



CFM and SP can be arbitrary.  And you need to balance the SP and CFM based on your radiator.  You should have at least 1mmHg2 for most radiators, but some will require a higher CFM for best performance, others require higher SP and can get away with a 40CFM fan.  From what I remember, the H60 is a lower FPI rad that does better with a higher CFM fan with a decent SP than a fan with higher SP and mediocre CFM.


that's right, that's why I have corsair so fans for my pc.
they are fine, but I want something better :-X

What size do you need?  Thermalright, Noctua, and BeQuiet! all make fantastic performing and also quiet fans.  CoolJag Everflows (certain models) are quite good for the money as well.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: paulen on Sun, 03 August 2014, 21:05:01
I am looking for two 12cm fans with led blue or white. Any recommendation?
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: nubbinator on Sun, 03 August 2014, 21:07:23
I am looking for two 12cm fans with led blue or white. Any recommendation?

Nope.  I've never seen a good LED fan.  They're all crap.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: paulen on Sun, 03 August 2014, 21:10:00
we'll I guess I just have to wait for new products hitting the market :'(
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 08 August 2014, 13:48:12
http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/40870-swiftech-h220-x-open-loop-240mm-cpu-cooler-review

(http://www.hitechlegion.com/images/cooling/swiftech_h220x/b2.jpg)

Definitely picking up one of these when I upgrade my PC.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Xenderwind on Fri, 08 August 2014, 13:55:20
http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/40870-swiftech-h220-x-open-loop-240mm-cpu-cooler-review

Show Image
(http://www.hitechlegion.com/images/cooling/swiftech_h220x/b2.jpg)


Definitely picking up one of these when I upgrade my PC.

I'd rather just get the noctua, much quieter by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 08 August 2014, 13:58:54
http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/40870-swiftech-h220-x-open-loop-240mm-cpu-cooler-review

Show Image
(http://www.hitechlegion.com/images/cooling/swiftech_h220x/b2.jpg)


Definitely picking up one of these when I upgrade my PC.

I'd rather just get the noctua, much quieter by the looks of it.

My wanting the H220x is personal preference really and it seems like a good performer even if its a bit louder. I plan to get the Corsair 760T case when I upgrade and a H220x would look much nicer in it especially with its ability to be expanded. I don't want to jump into custom water cooling loops just yet and the H220x would be a good first step before that.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: Xenderwind on Fri, 08 August 2014, 14:06:15
My wanting the H220x is personal preference really and it seems like a good performer even if its a bit louder.

I don't know if I would consider 10db to be a "bit" louder.  Iirc a 10db difference is said to be twice as loud.  But as you said its personal preference and I'm not trying to persuade you in your choice.
Title: Re: Corsair H60
Post by: missalaire on Fri, 08 August 2014, 14:10:51
My wanting the H220x is personal preference really and it seems like a good performer even if its a bit louder.

I don't know if I would consider 10db to be a "bit" louder.  Iirc a 10db difference is said to be twice as loud.  But as you said its personal preference and I'm not trying to persuade you in your choice.

Yeah, but its also at max fan which I doubt I'd be running at. And I usually wear a noise cancelling headset when I'm using my PC so not too worried about the sound :)