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Title: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sun, 03 August 2014, 13:09:54
Got this letter from Comcast for torrenting. I download very little, only home 4-6 days a month. I guess that's what I get for downloading some current social popular trash! I suppose this is for the actual uploading (seeding) that was occurring, right? LOL

I was using Vuze and not taking any particulars safety countermeasures, just looked up a couple things and downloaded. That'll teach me! LOL
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/04/atemazap.jpg)
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Michael on Sun, 03 August 2014, 13:35:18
Mistake #1 - using a torrent client without a VPN.
Mistake #2 - using a torrent client


Use newsgroups or mIRC.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 03 August 2014, 13:39:13
wow, seems like usually they only bug you about it when the downloading starts to get ridiculous, guess Comcast is dead set on improving its reputation even more :p
Title: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sun, 03 August 2014, 13:57:31
I openly admit to downloading. It's not a money saver, it's a curiosity thing. I can live without it easily. I'm not a big tv/movie watcher, I catch a couple shows once/twice a week (2-3 hours) to chill/escape/be entertained/see fun stuff. I occasionally stream Hulu for 2-3 things and download 1-2 things (maybe a year old movie, or in this case a silly HBO show. So I download from a couple items to maybe 7-8 items in a month on the high side. Pretty fast connection and perhaps a high of 5 gigs data? I don't know what my overall monthly internet usage is, but I'm only home every other weekend.

One thing I've noticed is that you can find old, obscure stuff torrenting that I haven't seen elsewhere. I've enjoyed some of the freedom of downloading, it's been fun. And sorry, I absolutely do not feel like a criminal for having had done it. Yes, I completely understand the logic behind copyright. I'm an attorney (non-practicing).
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:04:34
Mistake #1 - using a torrent client without a VPN.
Mistake #2 - using a torrent client


Use newsgroups or mIRC.
Seedbox ;)
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:06:23
Mistake.. Comcast.. !!
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Coreda on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:08:54
I suppose if you couldn't care less about torrenting pirated content there's not much else to add. Pity some of the most recent episodes of popular shows aren't available for same-time purchase though, big mistake by content publishers imo.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Novus on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:18:59
Mistake #1 - using a torrent client without a VPN.
Mistake #2 - using a torrent client


Use newsgroups or mIRC.

What is this mythical irc channel(s) you speak of?
No but seriously, how do you search for anything on IRC without already knowing which channels to go into to.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Michael on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:23:56
Mistake #1 - using a torrent client without a VPN.
Mistake #2 - using a torrent client


Use newsgroups or mIRC.

What is this mythical irc channel(s) you speak of?
No but seriously, how do you search for anything on IRC without already knowing which channels to go into to.


Google 'IRC packet search'.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:29:16
My previous internet service provider (Grande Communications) suspended my service twice for downloading (not seeding) copyrighted content. I wasn't bold enough to see what would happen the third time. My current provider (Cable One) apparently gives no ****s. :)
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Novus on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:40:06
Mistake.. Comcast.. !!

I'm stuck between a Comcastic comet and an AT&T run gulag.
If CA wasn't **** a communist den we would've had google fiber by now :/
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:52:34
Hahaha.. just looked at the picture..

Takes a manly man to get caught watching true-blood, and admit it to the world..

(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:55:03

I suppose if you couldn't care less about torrenting pirated content there's not much else to add. Pity some of the most recent episodes of popular shows aren't available for same-time purchase though, big mistake by content publishers imo.

In my particular instance:
#1
I'm not desperate to see the most recent episode of True Blood (otherwise I'd have HBO) but I think I downloaded episodes 1,2,3,4 that day and I've only watched the first episode. I could have substituted that show with some other "legal" program to chill and waste 45mins. So I guess I'm not an avid fan, just an opportunist pirate :)

#2
It's the challenge for the lazy non-thinker perhaps.

#3
Circumventing is always exciting. I'd be content with downloading 6-18 month old movies. LOL
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: StylinGreymon on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:56:19
I haven't received any notices from Comcast since I started using private trackers, and I download terabytes a month.
I've got digital hoarding issues.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:57:12
True Blood, **** yeah. Check my signature.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 03 August 2014, 14:57:37
I haven't received any notices from Comcast since I started using private trackers, and I download terabytes a month.
I've got digital hoarding issues.

Hoarding man... it's bad...  and for the most part,  a huge waste of time..
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: StylinGreymon on Sun, 03 August 2014, 15:03:23
I haven't received any notices from Comcast since I started using private trackers, and I download terabytes a month.
I've got digital hoarding issues.

Hoarding man... it's bad...  and for the most part,  a huge waste of time..
I just gotta have my annie mays, and such.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Novus on Sun, 03 August 2014, 15:11:00
I haven't received any notices from Comcast since I started using private trackers, and I download terabytes a month.
I've got digital hoarding issues.

Hoarding man... it's bad...  and for the most part,  a huge waste of time..
Does anything matter in the long run though?
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: StylinGreymon on Sun, 03 August 2014, 15:16:54
Does anything matter in the long run though?
(http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8u6w1llcP1qz7cqmo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: lightsout714 on Sun, 03 August 2014, 15:27:51
Input Nirvana what website did you grab the torrent from? Whatever popped up on Google?
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:02:40

Input Nirvana what website did you grab the torrent from? Whatever popped up on Google?

I use Vuze client. Searched True Blood season 7. The actual file I selected is listed on the letter.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Oobly on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:16:34
Holy crap, this s**t is disturbing.

Yes, it's most likely for seeding. You'd think they should rather spend their time sending this stuff to THE PEOPLE WHO CREATE THE TORRENTS, not the people who download them.

Besides, torrents are good for business and actually improve the sales of most of the media that's downloaded. Just look at Game of Thrones. They purposefully withheld the BluRay releases until after the complete seasons had been aired which meant that people downloaded them since they couldn't buy them. This ended being the best advertising for them and they could sell the rights to other broadcasters for massive money. You don't see the producers of GoT complaining about it, since they most likely did it like this on purpose. Clever buggers.

The same goes for most music, especially the really good stuff. You listen to their stuff from downloads and then buy the albums either for better quality, the joy of ownership or to directly support the artist.

Same goes for GOOD movies and series. If it's good, you'll buy the BluRay. If it's not, it doesn't deserve the sales in the first place.

As an aside, here in Finland we have an interesting thing called "media tax". When we buy blank media (CD-R, DVD-R, etc), we pay a premium on it since it could possibly be used for storing copies of copyrighted media. This "tax" is then paid forward to the big media companies (Sony BMG, etc..)

On top of that the same big media groups are pushing for making torrenting illegal for the same reasons, that it COULD be used for spreading copied media.

Meanwhile in Russia, the government is offering bouties of more than 100,000$ for anyone who can identify users of Tor browsers and censorship of the internet is rising. Doesn't look good. When you have state sponsored sensorship of media, propoganda rules the airwaves. I know, I used to live in apartheid South Africa.

This s**t has got to stop.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: lightsout714 on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:22:55

Input Nirvana what website did you grab the torrent from? Whatever popped up on Google?

I use Vuze client. Searched True Blood season 7. The actual file I selected is listed on the letter.

Oh so Vuze has a search built into the client. I see so its just searching some public site. Thats your main problem there.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:25:02

Input Nirvana what website did you grab the torrent from? Whatever popped up on Google?

I use Vuze client. Searched True Blood season 7. The actual file I selected is listed on the letter.

Oh so Vuze has a search built into the client. I see so its just searching some public site. Thats your main problem there.

Yea, search in Vuze.

Oopsie
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: paicrai on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:35:28

Mistake #1 - using a torrent client without a VPN.
Mistake #2 - using a torrent client


Use newsgroups or mIRC.
mistake #1 - didnt use 7 skeletons
mistake #2 - didnt backtrace the firewall
mistake ]37 forgot torrenting weed
mistake YMCA truce with texas
mistake ~P sucking

how to properly:









who gives a ****
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: paicrai on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:37:08

I haven't received any notices from Comcast since I started using private trackers, and I download terabytes a month.
I've got digital hoarding issues.

Hoarding man... it's bad...  and for the most part,  a huge waste of time..
Does anything matter in the long run though?
now hold your ****ing dandylions you glass door

you told you you left gh
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:39:06

Mistake #1 - using a torrent client without a VPN.
Mistake #2 - using a torrent client

Mistake #1 - using a torrent client without a VPN.
Mistake #2 - using a torrent client


Use newsgroups or mIRC.
mistake #1 - didnt use 7 skeletons
mistake #2 - didnt backtrace the firewall
mistake ]37 forgot torrenting weed
mistake YMCA truce with texas
mistake ~P sucking

how to properly:









who gives a ****



Use newsgroups or mIRC.
mistake #1 - didnt use 7 skeletons
mistake #2 - didnt backtrace the firewall
mistake ]37 forgot torrenting weed
mistake YMCA truce with texas
mistake ~P sucking

how to properly:









who gives a ****

Damn man!

I'm such a torrent-noob.

Maybe someone can send me a set of instructions to follow, heh
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: paicrai on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:48:42


Mistake #1 - using a torrent client without a VPN.
Mistake #2 - using a torrent client

Mistake #1 - using a torrent client without a VPN.
Mistake #2 - using a torrent client


Use newsgroups or mIRC.
mistake #1 - didnt use 7 skeletons
mistake #2 - didnt backtrace the firewall
mistake ]37 forgot torrenting weed
mistake YMCA truce with texas
mistake ~P sucking

how to properly:









who gives a ****



Use newsgroups or mIRC.
mistake #1 - didnt use 7 skeletons
mistake #2 - didnt backtrace the firewall
mistake ]37 forgot torrenting weed
mistake YMCA truce with texas
mistake ~P sucking

how to properly:









who gives a ****

Damn man!

I'm such a torrent-noob.

Maybe someone can send me a set of instructions to follow, heh
what happened to that quote omfg

also how to torrent: just do it, unless if you don't have antivirus
basically antivirus is a pack of condoms and torrenting is pulling chicks at an aids clinic
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Input Nirvana on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:52:26
what happened to that quote omfg

also how to torrent: just do it, unless if you don't have antivirus
basically antivirus is a pack of condoms and torrenting is pulling chicks at an aids clinic


Nice
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:57:59
what happened to that quote omfg

also how to torrent: just do it, unless if you don't have antivirus
basically antivirus is a pack of condoms and torrenting is pulling chicks at an aids clinic


Nice

Peerblock and demonoid at minimum. Then VPN.
Title: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: paicrai on Sun, 03 August 2014, 16:58:25
what happened to that quote omfg

also how to torrent: just do it, unless if you don't have antivirus
basically antivirus is a pack of condoms and torrenting is pulling chicks at an aids clinic


Nice
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NICE
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Lurch on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:10:08
ettv  :thumb:
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: eth0s on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:10:23
Hmm, that's a pretty interesting letter you got there.

First let me say that Comcast sucks the most massive turds.  Horrible company.  Monopolists and criminals. 

With that said, that letter appears to be Comcast's attempt to protect itself from a copyright infringement suit brought by HBO (the presumptive owner of the True Blood copyright).

They are trying to lay all of the blame off on you.  But it probably won't work.  Comcast will get sued as well, since they have deeper pockets than you do.  I feel secure in saying that even though I don't know how much money you have, because Comcast has deeper pockets than just about everybody, except maybe Bill Gates, but they might have more money than even him.

Even more interesting is who busted you:  "IP-echelon", located at 6715 Hollywood Blvd, Suite 229, Los Angeles CA  90025.  See here:  https://www.google.com/maps/place/6715+Hollywood+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90028/@34.101554,-118.336599,3a,90y,6h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1syM_knI8tB4ZfnMeCFlBawQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x80c2bf23656e5a75:0x69dd2880a13d40b1!6m1!1e1

IP-echelon is probably one or two guys with a computer in that second floor office above that Japanese restaurant.   Anyway, I can't think how they make money, unless they have some kind of subscription business with HBO, where they get paid every time they find an infringer or something.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Novus on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:13:50
They're called patent/copyright trolls and nothing will happen to you.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: lightsout714 on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:14:18
what happened to that quote omfg

also how to torrent: just do it, unless if you don't have antivirus
basically antivirus is a pack of condoms and torrenting is pulling chicks at an aids clinic


Nice

Peerblock and demonoid at minimum. Then VPN.

If you don't want letters I would not recommend Demonoid. Get into a good private tracker. Definitely not fool proof but much better.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Novus on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:15:28
dem ratios be supah hard to maintain as a tier 3 plebe
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: paicrai on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:16:21

Hmm, that's a pretty interesting letter you got there.

First let me say that Comcast sucks the most massive turds.  Horrible company.  Monopolists and criminals. 

With that said, that letter appears to be Comcast's attempt to protect itself from a copyright infringement suit brought by HBO (the presumptive owner of the True Blood copyright).

They are trying to lay all of the blame off on you.  But it probably won't work.  Comcast will get sued as well, since they have deeper pockets than you do.  I feel secure in saying that even though I don't know how much money you have, because Comcast has deeper pockets than just about everybody, except maybe Bill Gates, but they might have more money than even him.

Even more interesting is who busted you:  "IP-echelon", located at 6715 Hollywood Blvd, Suite 229, Los Angeles CA  90025.  See here:  https://www.google.com/maps/place/6715+Hollywood+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90028/@34.101554,-118.336599,3a,90y,6h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1syM_knI8tB4ZfnMeCFlBawQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x80c2bf23656e5a75:0x69dd2880a13d40b1!6m1!1e1

IP-echelon is probably one or two guys with a computer in that second floor office above that Japanese restaurant.   Anyway, I can't think how they make money, unless they have some kind of subscription business with HBO, where they get paid every time they find an infringer or something.
ip echelon what the **** is this a 2005 hacker movie
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:19:43
what happened to that quote omfg

also how to torrent: just do it, unless if you don't have antivirus
basically antivirus is a pack of condoms and torrenting is pulling chicks at an aids clinic


Nice

Peerblock and demonoid at minimum. Then VPN.

If you don't want letters I would not recommend Demonoid. Get into a good private tracker. Definitely not fool proof but much better.

Thats very true, Private is better then public.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: lightsout714 on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:20:45
dem ratios be supah hard to maintain as a tier 3 plebe

tier 3 plebe?

I would go with usenet myself. I use it for 90% of my downloads. $15 for 2 months on Astraweb is pretty good for unlimited downloads at full speed 100% of the time.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: dustinhxc on Sun, 03 August 2014, 17:26:59
dem ratios be supah hard to maintain as a tier 3 plebe

tier 3 plebe?

I would go with usenet myself. I use it for 90% of my downloads. $15 for 2 months on Astraweb is pretty good for unlimited downloads at full speed 100% of the time.

Whoa.. Decent price man..
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Input Nirvana on Fri, 15 August 2014, 01:09:20
Soooo...I get my monthly Comcast bill and it went up from about $73 to $87. All I have is some basic channels (nothing premium, no sports, no pay channels, etc) and Internet that's pretty quick (advertised as Blast Plus). I don't watch tv, and the internet is way faster than I need for steaming. I only have one device, maybe two online at the same time. I'm willing to downgrade a bit. I tell them I want any "deals they have". Lady says all the deals are more expensive than what I'm paying. I tell them I have a Direct TV deal that I'm going to sign up for. She immediately transfers me to a "customer retention specialist" that offers me the EXACT SAME channels and internet for $70 mo and added HBO.

I just thought it was funny that of all things that could be added, it's HBO, and free at that.

Seems ironic, lol
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Melvang on Fri, 15 August 2014, 03:31:48
If you don't want these letters

GO RENT THE SHOW.

Personally I can't stand pirated content.  I don't have a single bit of pirated content in my home.  If you want to support the producer/artist than just go buy it.  If you are curious about a show/movie go rent it.  If you are curious about a music album buy a song or two from you whatever pay for MP3 software of choice.

I'm sorry for sounding like a **** but come on, how much money have you spent on keyboards and you can't go to the rental shop of choice and spend $3 to check out a TV show?

Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Krizie on Fri, 15 August 2014, 03:39:14
Time to leave Comcast, hope you have a better time than this guy! https://soundcloud.com/ryan-block-10/comcastic-service (https://soundcloud.com/ryan-block-10/comcastic-service)
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: divito on Fri, 15 August 2014, 07:53:27
I feel sorry that you Americans have those problems.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Melvang on Fri, 15 August 2014, 08:21:28
Explain this "problem" to me.

Say for instance you own a bar and you have a customer that is selling drugs.  Are you the problem if you kick said customer out of your bar?  This is the exact same path of logic. 

An illegal activity was involved, the owner of the medium for the illegal activity acted in their best interest, and yet they are the problem not you for doing something illegal.  I fail to see the logic in this.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: iri on Fri, 15 August 2014, 08:38:07
Meanwhile in Russia, the government is offering bouties of more than 100,000$ for anyone who can identify users of Tor browsers and censorship of the internet is rising. Doesn't look good. When you have state sponsored sensorship of media, propoganda rules the airwaves. I know, I used to live in apartheid South Africa.

This s**t has got to stop.
Meanwhile in Russia, I can buy a ****ton of CDR's and Sony BMG isn't getting a single penny out of it. Also I can seed and leech a gazillion bytes of data and no one is going to send me letters.

I hope this **** never stops.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Melvang on Fri, 15 August 2014, 08:40:09
Meanwhile in Russia, the government is offering bouties of more than 100,000$ for anyone who can identify users of Tor browsers and censorship of the internet is rising. Doesn't look good. When you have state sponsored sensorship of media, propoganda rules the airwaves. I know, I used to live in apartheid South Africa.

This s**t has got to stop.
Meanwhile in Russia, I can buy a ****ton of CDR's and Sony BMG isn't getting a single penny out of it. Also I can seed and leech a gazillion bytes of data and no one is going to send me letters.

I hope this **** never stops.

That doesn't mean it is still not theft.  The only way it isn't considered theft is if you already own a physical copy.  Same thing with emulators and roms for old game consoles.  They are actually illegal to own unless you own the physical hardware.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 August 2014, 08:49:49
Meanwhile in Russia, the government is offering bouties of more than 100,000$ for anyone who can identify users of Tor browsers and censorship of the internet is rising. Doesn't look good. When you have state sponsored sensorship of media, propoganda rules the airwaves. I know, I used to live in apartheid South Africa.

This s**t has got to stop.
Meanwhile in Russia, I can buy a ****ton of CDR's and Sony BMG isn't getting a single penny out of it. Also I can seed and leech a gazillion bytes of data and no one is going to send me letters.

I hope this **** never stops.

That doesn't mean it is still not theft.  The only way it isn't considered theft is if you already own a physical copy.  Same thing with emulators and roms for old game consoles.  They are actually illegal to own unless you own the physical hardware.

It's more like "civil disobedience" than "theft." The movie and television industry needs to change their business model, similar to how the music industry was forced to. I pay $10/mo for Spotify, and I don't need to "illegally" download music content, because I have access to it via a subscription service.

I also pay $135/mo for access (internet pipe) and content (cable TV). And $8/mo to Netflix, etc. So I should also have on-demand access to video content via subscription. Until the movie and TV industry realizes that this is the business model, people will continue to "illegally" download the content they seek.

There is no way to force the movie/TV industry to change their business model, other than to hurt their profits, similar to how the music industry was forced to change. The way to do this is to support "illegal" downloading.

I respect your position, Melvang, but I disagree philosophically with it.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: iri on Fri, 15 August 2014, 08:56:49
The only way it isn't considered theft is if you already own a physical copy.
Considered by whom or what? You personally? Your city law? Your county law? Your state law? Your country law? Someone or something else?
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: D01 on Fri, 15 August 2014, 09:22:10
Let me guess, public tracker?

You want to torrent use private ones, and a seedbox if you must.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Melvang on Fri, 15 August 2014, 09:27:28
The only way it isn't considered theft is if you already own a physical copy.
Considered by whom or what? You personally? Your city law? Your county law? Your state law? Your country law? Someone or something else?

My ex girlfriend who's roomate had downloaded a bunch of mp3s and some roms plus emulators who actually had charges filed against her.  No jail time but an ugly fine.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: paicrai on Fri, 15 August 2014, 09:34:54
ITT Piracy is piracy
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: divito on Fri, 15 August 2014, 09:39:56
Explain this "problem" to me.

Say for instance you own a bar and you have a customer that is selling drugs.  Are you the problem if you kick said customer out of your bar?  This is the exact same path of logic. 

An illegal activity was involved, the owner of the medium for the illegal activity acted in their best interest, and yet they are the problem not you for doing something illegal.  I fail to see the logic in this.

In an area that is forever trudging through a changing landscape of creation, distribution and consumption, internet ventures of all sorts are slowly altering old laws and old mindsets. Consumers have more power and control now than they ever have before. The analogy of drug dealing within an establishment is a touch different given the history and general nature of drug legality as opposed to file sharing (with save maybe, marijuana, which is having a similar effect currently). So many countries and definitions in regards to file sharing, downloading, etc..., still make it wide open unconcrete.

Similar boat to jdcarpe (and millions of consumers worldwide), I pay for several services, but those services offer an inefficient delivery/consumption model. I can either have a PVR and bear the limitations of satellite/cable and its recording and playback functions, or use my Netflix/torrents/1channel to consume the same content.

Something I wrote about long ago (and was alluded to by jdcarpe), is that piracy is a market correction. This has helped businesses establish new ground to help consumers consume content at more reasonable prices and in more reasonable ways. We've seen this with the music industry, and we've seen it in the software industry (a la something like Adobe's subscription model).

This correction has also resulted in providers moving to on-demand services, the creation of Netflix and similar services. However, the creation and distribution of video is still way too slow and problematic for the power and speed of the internet and its users. We've seen this play out with Netflix and other services in regards to the rights and when they can obtain them.

Philosophically, I'm pro-consumer; anything/anyone that strong-arms consumers through their limited options deserves how things unfold. As a correction, piracy forces companies to be less greedy or face the consequences.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 15 August 2014, 09:40:02
ITT Piracy is piracy

(http://i.imgur.com/r4cqmlq.jpg)
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 15 August 2014, 09:44:06
The problem is lumbering media conglomerates that believe they are entitled to us perpetuating their existence. Not only is that enough but the whole thing must be on their terms only for their maximum benefit. They go out of their way to clutch onto obsolete business model including having legislators on the payroll to pass absurd laws for their sole benefit.
I pirate on principle, because I want the whole thing to collapse. I want art for art sake. I want our modern cultural heritage and information to be accessible and free not locked up behind pay walls. I want laws that make sense and are a benefit for citizens not only corporations and the 1%ers behind them.
We don't need these companies. The artists don't need them either. Big media is detrimental to both.
Many artists are realizing this and rise in self releasing and using crowdsourcing to fund production and international distribution is the future.

Part two of this problem is cable conglomerates that also are part of the above in control of our access to information delivery over the internet. That is a HUGE mistake for us to continue to support. Sadly in many areas they are a monopoly and there is no choice. We would be a lot better off in the US if telecommunications and the internet were nationalized as they are in most other countries. In that case we might have a chance on getting our infrastructure updated to the 21st century. We all know the telcos and cable companies are averse to paying anything to upgrade their infrastructure when they can keep happily extorting people for substandard service since the alternative is no service at all.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: Input Nirvana on Fri, 15 August 2014, 10:09:32
1) Great point JD, the business model has to change and will, in time. It's a problem for everyone as it stands today. Industry isn't happy, consumers aren't happy. Too restrictive and too expensive. Needs to evolve.
2) I don't justify the downloading I've done as being a perfect solution, nor am I complaining about "The Letter". It was publicized early this year that the industry was going to start "enforcing" it's copyrights after a 6 year hiatus. The 6 year hiatus speaks volumes, doesn't it? (TP4Tissue encouraged me!)
3) I'm somewhat entertained yet dismayed by the chest-pounding anti-pirate statements. Sorry, but they ring hollow, and reflect a very narrow and stagnant view of things.
4) I posted the letter and my story as an accurate point of view so peeps could see exactly what was done and the results, verses vague internet stories that you have no idea of the validity/source. It's interesting and I thought I would share since I never have seen others display this information, yet we're all interested.....the response on this thread proves that.

I've been extracted from my offices by a SWAT team at gun point, with canine units, helicopters, etc. because of a false report of a hostage/firearm/barricade situation. A letter from Comcast does not get my heart rate up.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: D01 on Fri, 15 August 2014, 10:41:08
The problem is lumbering media conglomerates that believe they are entitled to us perpetuating their existence. Not only is that enough but the whole thing must be on their terms only for their maximum benefit. They go out of their way to clutch onto obsolete business model including having legislators on the payroll to pass absurd laws for their sole benefit.
I pirate on principle, because I want the whole thing to collapse. I want art for art sake. I want our modern cultural heritage and information to be accessible and free not locked up behind pay walls. I want laws that make sense and are a benefit for citizens not only corporations and the 1%ers behind them.
We don't need these companies. The artists don't need them either. Big media is detrimental to both.
Many artists are realizing this and rise in self releasing and using crowdsourcing to fund production and international distribution is the future.

Part two of this problem is cable conglomerates that also are part of the above in control of our access to information delivery over the internet. That is a HUGE mistake for us to continue to support. Sadly in many areas they are a monopoly and there is no choice. We would be a lot better off in the US if telecommunications and the internet were nationalized as they are in most other countries. In that case we might have a chance on getting our infrastructure updated to the 21st century. We all know the telcos and cable companies are averse to paying anything to upgrade their infrastructure when they can keep happily extorting people for substandard service since the alternative is no service at all.

 :thumb: 

Good ****.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: osi on Fri, 15 August 2014, 10:44:22
Squashing piracy?? Media needs to be offered to consumers where it is easily accessible, available on many platforms, and cheap.

This includes the bullshat "this video is not available in your area" shenanigans. If half of the focus from piracy prevention was focused on actually making money from selling your content, we'd live in a different world.

piracy will always exist to a certain extent
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 15 August 2014, 11:09:10
Indeed, regional specific distribution rights is a prime example of silly outdated business models. Arts and culture is global, we are all connected now. Instead they put in place artificial restrictions to purchasing and/or playing media from around the world. WHY? There is no logic to doing this.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: vun on Fri, 15 August 2014, 11:21:31
Indeed, regional specific distribution rights is a prime example of silly outdated business models. Arts and culture is global, we are all connected now. Instead they put in place artificial restrictions to purchasing and/or playing media from around the world. WHY? There is no logic to doing this.

This is massively annoying. Most digital music services won't sell to me because I don't live in the US or wherever they operate, so the only real option I have is iTunes. I'm not sure about google music yet, haven't tried buying music from there but I wouldn't be surprised if most content there is unavailable to me. And then there's the fact that the quality of the music you buy is usually not that great.

So for now I'm still sticking to CDs, as much as I'd love to buy music digitally. I'd buy a lot more music if I could buy digital lossless files at a reasonable price.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: divito on Fri, 15 August 2014, 11:49:12
Which is why news like this (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=459001) is encouraging.
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: paicrai on Fri, 15 August 2014, 11:53:22

Indeed, regional specific distribution rights is a prime example of silly outdated business models. Arts and culture is global, we are all connected now. Instead they put in place artificial restrictions to purchasing and/or playing media from around the world. WHY? There is no logic to doing this.

This is massively annoying. Most digital music services won't sell to me because I don't live in the US or wherever they operate, so the only real option I have is iTunes. I'm not sure about google music yet, haven't tried buying music from there but I wouldn't be surprised if most content there is unavailable to me. And then there's the fact that the quality of the music you buy is usually not that great.

So for now I'm still sticking to CDs, as much as I'd love to buy music digitally. I'd buy a lot more music if I could buy digital lossless files at a reasonable price.
hey man lots of indie on bandcamp at name your price in lossless format :)
Title: Re: Comcast torrenting letter-RECEIVED!
Post by: iri on Fri, 15 August 2014, 15:51:02
The only way it isn't considered theft is if you already own a physical copy.
Considered by whom or what? You personally? Your city law? Your county law? Your state law? Your country law? Someone or something else?

My ex girlfriend who's roomate had downloaded a bunch of mp3s and some roms plus emulators who actually had charges filed against her.  No jail time but an ugly fine.
not applicable where i live.

**** continues