Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:24:52
It has come to my attention that we are in dire need of a snack GB. I'd like to coordinate something to get delicious snacks into the US. Post your interest here with what snack you might want, how many, and I'll keep a running tally in the OP.
Availability will depend on potential sources and total quantity desired. If only one person wants something from a unique source, it doesn't make sense to add it here, as they can simply buy it themselves for the same cost. Make sense? So we may need to omit some snacks ( :'( I'm sorry ) for the sake of feasability. But that's where the IC comes in! :)
Shipping notes
Okay, so some logistics. I'm going to base my shipping choices on the scale of this whole thing. I already have a bunch of flat rate boxes, and they're free, so that's a really easy option. If enough people desire, I can buy some regular boxes to save a few bucks. Either way is fine with me, so long as I can get ahold of the boxes. I have a stamps.com account, so the shipping rates should be quite reasonable. :thumb:
On to the snacks!
Organized by type, flavour (when applicable), and quantity requested:
Kit Kat - Green Tea (96)
Kit Kat - Passion Fruit (70)
Kit Kat - Royal Milk Tea (90)
Kit Kat - Mango (55)
Kit Kat - Strawberry (30)
Kit Kat - Citrus Golden Blend (30)
M&Ms ($2.50/160g) - Crispy (enough)
M&Ms ($2.50/160g) - Crispy Mint (5)
Coffee Crisp (25)
note: if someone expressed interest, but did not include an amount, I estimated a quantity of 10
General notes
I know that the Kit Kats are typically sold in the small packs of two sticks, and I'm assuming that M&Ms will be available in the smaller rectangle packaging. In general, assume that the sizes will be the "small" sizes, unless otherwise noted or desired.
Disclaimer
I have not organized a GB before. I am currently proxying for sprit's GB, but this is my first experience running a full-blown GB (assuming it works out. ;) ).
As such, expect some things to go wrong. I don't expect this to be flawless, and I hope you don't either. But hopefully we can all get through this and enjoy some tasty treats in the end! ^-^
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:27:24
The box I had last time, it was 12 bags of 12 packs of kit kats. I'd be interested in 3 bags so 36 packs of kit kats.
Post by: bueller on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:27:32
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:28:01
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:29:01
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:29:18
Post by: JinDesu on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:30:26
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:30:32
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:31:27
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:31:38
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:32:07
How about sourcing some of those weird flavored potato chips from around the world?
You mean crisps. :P
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:33:33
Post by: bueller on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:34:54
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:36:15
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:36:33
Oh yeah I missed the CONUS part, someone wanna proxy me some?
If you would be willing to pay for shipping I got ya bueller.
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:37:06
Post by: Melvang on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:37:19
Is it sad that this will be my first group buy?Not at all
Post by: bueller on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:37:36
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:41:24
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:42:01
CONUS only? Why you do dis?
Belfong, I can proxy for you as well if you like.
Post by: strict on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:45:05
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:45:28
Post by: geniekid on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:52:06
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 07 August 2014, 09:56:31
Post by: Xenderwind on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:16:34
maybe more if I see what other people are wanting :D
Good post to wake up to! My only concern though is the possibility of the candies melting due to weather. Maybe we should wait for it to be closer to the holidays?
Post by: Lurch on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:21:35
Mango Kit Kats if those are a thing still.
Mango Kit Kats
Mango
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
I need to try this.
Post by: Heezy on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:23:24
Post by: billnye on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:26:02
Post by: Hanni on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:27:50
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:36:07
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:38:54
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:41:23
I wish kitkats came in 6.25x or 7x...
I'll add a Tsangan kit (kat) option just for you.
Post by: Lastpilot on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:51:22
Now that's hospitality!I wish kitkats came in 6.25x or 7x...
I'll add a Tsangan kit (kat) option just for you.
Post by: Signature on Thu, 07 August 2014, 10:59:05
Post by: Xenderwind on Thu, 07 August 2014, 11:09:28
Welcome to GeekHackungry :rolleyes:
SnackHack
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lydiah/35-kit-kat-varieties-from-around-the-world-18d7
http://japanesekat.com/archive/kitkat/
Looks like Japan gets all the whacky flavors.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 07 August 2014, 11:25:02
Also, I run KitKat on two phones...
Post by: Xenderwind on Thu, 07 August 2014, 11:34:39
Okay, KitKats are cool, and all, but what else ya got? Any int'l peeps want to weigh in here for us uninitiated?These were always my favorite...but they aren't that hard to get here in the states. My mom would always get them for me from chinese grocery stores.
Also, I run KitKat on two phones...
http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Fruit-Gummy-Candy-Kasugai/dp/B0009F5B4G
I'm also interested in what other people think we should try...but I think one problem might be that they might not know what we don't have in the states. I know I'm usually surprised when I see people(outside the US) get carepackages from the US because it seems like everyday stuff to me, only to find out they don't have it there.
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 07 August 2014, 12:29:27
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 07 August 2014, 12:31:13
Okay, KitKats are cool, and all, but what else ya got? Any int'l peeps want to weigh in here for us uninitiated?
Also, I run KitKat on two phones...
My favorite sweet from Canada that I *cannot* find stateside is Coffee Crisp.
Post by: exitfire401 on Thu, 07 August 2014, 12:33:32
Post by: clacktalk on Thu, 07 August 2014, 12:36:46
Post by: abjr on Thu, 07 August 2014, 12:56:53
Is it sad that this will be my first group buy?
1300+ posts and no GBs? I'd say that's absurd!
Also, how about some Almond Crush Pocky?
Post by: cbot on Thu, 07 August 2014, 14:31:58
Royal Milk Tea KitKat please?yes yes yes all of my yeses.
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 07 August 2014, 15:30:54
@CPT really, no coffee crisps in US? Those things always come in mini sizes during Halloween trick or treat candy combo bags. :eek:
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 07 August 2014, 16:10:32
Post by: dustinhxc on Thu, 07 August 2014, 16:26:40
^^ Flavors!
Edit saw the other links too. Holy crap so many ... :confused:
Oooo exciting! Id love to find out on pricing for Kit Kats..
Also, there are M&Ms Crispy and Mint?! Exciting..
Kit Kats!
Strawberry
Citrus Golden Blend
Depends on price.
M&Ms
Crispy
Mint Crispy
Depends on price.
;D
Post by: SL89 on Thu, 07 August 2014, 16:36:10
Royal Milk Tea KitKat please?yes yes yes all of my yeses.
Yes even more
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 07 August 2014, 16:37:06
I've never seen coffee crisp in the states :(
You can order them off of Amazon.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 07 August 2014, 16:44:52
Okay, KitKats are cool, and all, but what else ya got? Any int'l peeps want to weigh in here for us uninitiated?These were always my favorite...but they aren't that hard to get here in the states. My mom would always get them for me from chinese grocery stores.
Also, I run KitKat on two phones...
http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Fruit-Gummy-Candy-Kasugai/dp/B0009F5B4G
I'm also interested in what other people think we should try...but I think one problem might be that they might not know what we don't have in the states. I know I'm usually surprised when I see people(outside the US) get carepackages from the US because it seems like everyday stuff to me, only to find out they don't have it there.
I want some of those, but mango :thumb:
Post by: SSIPAK on Thu, 07 August 2014, 17:19:15
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 07 August 2014, 17:23:37
Is it sad that this will be my first group buy?
1300+ posts and no GBs? I'd say that's absurd!
Yah. I don't understand flashy keysets or overpriced boards that work the same as the one I have. :p
http://kotaku.com/5983276/15-flavors-of-japanese-kit-kats-the-snacktaku-review (http://kotaku.com/5983276/15-flavors-of-japanese-kit-kats-the-snacktaku-review)
^^ Flavors!
Edit saw the other links too. Holy crap so many ... :confused:
Okay. Now this is turning into every other IC/GB where we end up with too many options and **** never gets done. C'mon, Hoff, put your foot down and make the HARD choices. :D
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 07 August 2014, 18:51:46
Also, just some perspective: The Crispy M&M bags I'm finding on Amazon are over $6.00 for the 160g bag, which bueller has said he could probably secure for about $2.50. Not to put a bunch of pressure on you bueller, but dang! This is looking like some big cost savings for us!
Also, just in case it wasn't clear, this is more of a group-proxy than a group buy, since we aren't guaranteed volume discounts. But by combining shipping, we can all save money! Yay! :thumb:
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 07 August 2014, 18:58:54
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:16:00
Shhh, just supply me with snacks Hoffbro
:cool:
Another update: we will be purchasing M&Ms from bueller (huge thanks for helping us Americans out!), for an estimated price of $2.50 per 160g bag (subject to change). These bags are larger than the original estimated size of "small". Please take this into consideration when deciding how many you will want! I suspect that the counts for M&Ms will drop drastically, but that is fine. All that matters is that the interest exists. And this isn't the GB phase yet anyway, so no worries. I'm considering M&Ms "MOQ Met" for the time being.
More updates to come on the Kit Kat front.
Post by: Data on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:16:31
:p
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:18:18
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:20:42
No love for Twix?
:p
This is what IC is for! :P What flavours of Twix exist that aren't in the US? Please educate us!
Post by: Xenderwind on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:31:20
Another update: we will be purchasing M&Ms from bueller (huge thanks for helping us Americans out!), for an estimated price of $2.50 per 160g bag (subject to change). These bags are larger than the original estimated size of "small". Please take this into consideration when deciding how many you will want! I suspect that the counts for M&Ms will drop drastically, but that is fine. All that matters is that the interest exists. And this isn't the GB phase yet anyway, so no worries. I'm considering M&Ms "MOQ Met" for the time being.
More updates to come on the Kit Kat front.
Woah I didn't realize how big those were until I looked it up. I think those are ~4x larger than the normal ones we buy like right before checkout I think....I'd probably still buy 10. Though maybe less if I find some other candies that interest me (to fit it all in the flat rate box).
Post by: Data on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:34:24
No love for Twix?
:p
This is what IC is for! :P What flavours of Twix exist that aren't in the US? Please educate us!
There have been a lot of exotic Twix flavors, several UK exclusive, but I don't know what's available. The only countries I've ever traveled to weren't the sort that are known for their candy. :(
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twix
Post by: dante on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:35:09
Post by: bueller on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:37:26
No love for Twix?
:p
This is what IC is for! :P What flavours of Twix exist that aren't in the US? Please educate us!
There have been a lot of exotic Twix flavors, several UK exclusive, but I don't know what's available. The only countries I've ever traveled to weren't the sort that are known for their candy. :(
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twix
I love the peanut butter Twix but every time I buy them at the international shop they're always sooo freaking old!
Post by: Sent on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:42:05
Different chips/crisps sounded appealing.
Post by: dante on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:43:16
Post by: Sent on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:46:40
It's a long shot ... any interesting snacks that are 0g carbs/sugar? Thought I'd ask...
I'd be down with something salty and not so sweet. Not the biggest fan of candy. :-X
Post by: Smasher816 on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:48:48
Post by: LONGZILLA on Thu, 07 August 2014, 19:52:02
Post by: Heliosphere on Thu, 07 August 2014, 22:58:16
Post by: IPT on Thu, 07 August 2014, 23:28:21
(http://i.imgur.com/uL4NFNf.jpg)
Post by: Xenderwind on Thu, 07 August 2014, 23:32:38
imma just leave this here:All I can see is Zangeif struggling to take a dump.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uL4NFNf.jpg)
Post by: Signature on Fri, 08 August 2014, 04:15:17
Post by: Shadovved on Fri, 08 August 2014, 05:06:27
They have that mini bag of 12 of green tea kitkats on sale here for like 6 bucks a baggie :thumb:
Just throwing it out, because I'm a foodie, and I come across these super often. Google those that you dont know :p
Royce Chocolate (nama chocolates are no-go due to shipping conditions, but it's the best)
Caramel Corn
RitterSport Chocolates
Shiroi Koibito
Pocky (and Pejoy)
Hi-chew (those made in Japan ones....not those that are made in Taiwan, they taste very different)
Puccho
And this thing called Tokyo Banana, almost unattainable outside Japan due to the expiry date :-X
And my friends always swear by this little crispy thingy called fish muruku.........
P.S KitKats come in different types, there's the regional specialities in Japan with nearly 20-30 flavours........including the Kyoto Green Tea one (tastes totally different from the normal green tea ones, and costs more too)
EDIT: That's what I can throw out of the top of my head
Post by: divito on Fri, 08 August 2014, 05:08:35
I've never seen coffee crisp in the states :(
Really? That's crazy. It's one of my favorites. Didn't know they didn't export it.
There's Coffee Crisp McFlurries (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aUEVnyyW3l0/U3OV3WRc-GI/AAAAAAAAC0Q/nlpD0snZYeg/s1600/coffeecrispmcflurry.jpg) from McDonalds (though not always), ice cream (http://products.nestle.ca/en/brands/ice-cream/confectionery-frozen-treats/coffee-crisp-frozen-dessert.aspx), and ice cream bars (http://products.nestle.ca/en/brands/ice-cream/confectionery-frozen-treats/coffee-crisp-bars.aspx), even mocha (http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/07/b9/7907b9d8da0f6409bd6caf9fb3d9ab4e.jpg) and latte (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EfqN8Bnt4pU/Uwumqe9wgGI/AAAAAAAAVAE/I0KFmgLwD4s/s1600/IMG_2083-001.JPG) flavors.
Perhaps if people are up for it, us Canadian members here can help out.
Post by: intelli78 on Fri, 08 August 2014, 05:17:00
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 08 August 2014, 07:46:17
Heh, GeekSnack.
THANK YOU!! That would be amazing. I just registered on Tenso, hoping to use them to proxy, but if you can help us that would be spectacular! :D We will talk further. ;)
Perhaps if people are up for it, us Canadian members here can help out.
Halverson has volunteered to help us out with the Coffee Crisps, so we should be good, but if something comes up I will keep you in mind as a backup. ;)
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 08 August 2014, 07:56:43
imma just leave this here:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uL4NFNf.jpg)
imma just leave this here:
(http://i.imgur.com/lVVOC2f.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Rn7K7mZ.jpg)
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 08 August 2014, 08:00:29
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 08 August 2014, 08:01:25
It seems like most of this stuff is from Asian countries which I have access to pretty easily where I live. Are there any interesting snacks from anywhere else that we're considering? I really have no idea what snacks are out there but figured I'd ask.Crisps will be tricky, chances are the bag will pop when sent by plane.
Different chips/crisps sounded appealing.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 08 August 2014, 08:03:21
It seems like most of this stuff is from Asian countries which I have access to pretty easily where I live. Are there any interesting snacks from anywhere else that we're considering? I really have no idea what snacks are out there but figured I'd ask.Crisps will be tricky, chances are the bag will pop when sent by plane.
Different chips/crisps sounded appealing.
I've sent a large bag of Miss Vickie's Sweet Chili & Sour Cream to US via plane in a properly sized cardboard box and it was fine. Only problem with shipping chips is the amount of space it takes since they're pre-filled with lots of air.
Post by: divito on Fri, 08 August 2014, 08:03:43
Halverson has volunteered to help us out with the Coffee Crisps, so we should be good, but if something comes up I will keep you in mind as a backup. ;)
Not a problem. I wonder if people would be interested in the Creme Brulee Kit Kat. There's an Asian mall not too far from me (GTA residents will know it as the Pacific Mall), and they have a few candy stores that carry all this stuff. Last visit, I grabbed the Strawberry Kit Kat, Green Tea, and Creme Brulee that you put in a toaster oven. They had some others but I didn't decide to get them.
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 08 August 2014, 08:34:12
Post by: divito on Fri, 08 August 2014, 09:10:03
This is good... but I am wondering if just running an exchange ongoing may make more sense? Get Asia, Europe, and etc treats from international members and send them US stuff back type of thing? That way everyone gets some nice things they don't easily/cheaply have or have at all locally.
Not a bad idea.
For instance, I'd really like to try:
(http://media.shopwell.com/gladson/00016000413696_full.jpg)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 08 August 2014, 09:26:59
I'd like to get in on this. But Hoffman, I could add to this as well with some local candy such as drop (Dutch superior liquorice), stroopwafels (caramel waffles) and the space variety (stroopwafels covered in extra caramel and chocolate).
OHMYGOD YES. Are you in the Netherlands? I assumed you were CONUS.
This is good... but I am wondering if just running an exchange ongoing may make more sense? Get Asia, Europe, and etc treats from international members and send them US stuff back type of thing? That way everyone gets some nice things they don't easily/cheaply have or have at all locally.
I anticipate that it might turn into this. For now, I want to make it a single event, but I would love to organize something similar again in the future (both ways). :thumb:
Post by: Tym on Fri, 08 August 2014, 09:29:47
Post by: Harrowed on Fri, 08 August 2014, 09:37:25
This is good... but I am wondering if just running an exchange ongoing may make more sense? Get Asia, Europe, and etc treats from international members and send them US stuff back type of thing? That way everyone gets some nice things they don't easily/cheaply have or have at all locally.Sounds great like a great idea! Very interested in snacks from around the world. I myself could supply local sweet and salty liquorices and maybe some weird things like tar candies.
(http://www.finlandiashop.fi/en_shop/images/tyrkisk_peber_salmiak_set_1104_b88.jpg)
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 08 August 2014, 09:59:18
I'm very much Dutch. ;)I'd like to get in on this. But Hoffman, I could add to this as well with some local candy such as drop (Dutch superior liquorice), stroopwafels (caramel waffles) and the space variety (stroopwafels covered in extra caramel and chocolate).
OHMYGOD YES. Are you in the Netherlands? I assumed you were CONUS.
I never found it necessary to state where I am from. Leaves room for some fun conversations. :P
I will probably not have the time and funds to buy anything before the end of the month but I would gladly empty a couple of local supermarkets. XP
You obviously liked my suggestions, do you have any other wishes?
Post by: IPT on Fri, 08 August 2014, 10:09:18
How do you deal with the melting issue? :confused:
you arrange the GB during the winter time =)
unless you want to get into Dry Ice which'll require a license lol
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 08 August 2014, 10:14:27
I'd like to get in on this. But Hoffman, I could add to this as well with some local candy such as drop (Dutch superior liquorice), stroopwafels (caramel waffles) and the space variety (stroopwafels covered in extra caramel and chocolate).
OHMYGOD YES. Are you in the Netherlands? I assumed you were CONUS.
DID SOMEONE SAY STROOPWAFELS. I WANT MORE. I had them once in a food truck in NYC and I regret not having seconds.
Post by: bazh on Fri, 08 August 2014, 10:21:14
imma just leave this here:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uL4NFNf.jpg)
imma just leave this here:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lVVOC2f.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Rn7K7mZ.jpg)
what is the price for that in your places? Mine is like $6 each bag :p
(http://i.imgur.com/CZcXR3G.jpg)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 08 August 2014, 10:22:41
I'd like to get in on this. But Hoffman, I could add to this as well with some local candy such as drop (Dutch superior liquorice), stroopwafels (caramel waffles) and the space variety (stroopwafels covered in extra caramel and chocolate).
OHMYGOD YES. Are you in the Netherlands? I assumed you were CONUS.
DID SOMEONE SAY STROOPWAFELS. I WANT MORE. I had them once in a food truck in NYC and I regret not having seconds.
My sister brought some home from her visit. I savoured them so much. I even kept the packaging. xD
I'm very much Dutch. ;)I'd like to get in on this. But Hoffman, I could add to this as well with some local candy such as drop (Dutch superior liquorice), stroopwafels (caramel waffles) and the space variety (stroopwafels covered in extra caramel and chocolate).
OHMYGOD YES. Are you in the Netherlands? I assumed you were CONUS.
I never found it necessary to state where I am from. Leaves room for some fun conversations. :P
I will probably not have the time and funds to buy anything before the end of the month but I would gladly empty a couple of local supermarkets. XP
You obviously liked my suggestions, do you have any other wishes?
I just know I love stroopwafels ^.^ , but I don't know if there are other tasty things over there (I'm sure there are). Do you have any recommendations?
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 08 August 2014, 10:22:52
Ever had a fresh one? Where the caramel is still hot and the waffle is really thin.
Drop... not so much. You really have to get used to them first.
The sweet ones are a lot more accessible than the salty ones.
Another one would be cinnamon candy cane or pillows. Giant Wilhelmina peppermints or hard pear candy if you want traditional candy.
Post by: Xenderwind on Fri, 08 August 2014, 10:43:45
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 08 August 2014, 10:52:42
After hoff and cpt hyping it up...I think I want to try this stroopwafel thing too :o.
I'm 99% sure I could just eat them nonstop for an hour and be perfectly content.
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 08 August 2014, 11:11:10
imma just leave this here:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uL4NFNf.jpg)
imma just leave this here:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lVVOC2f.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Rn7K7mZ.jpg)
what is the price for that in your places? Mine is like $6 each bag :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/CZcXR3G.jpg)
The price is in the picture. :p About $7USD after tax per bag.
The mini waffle kit kat balls are interesting though. ;)
Post by: Grim Fandango on Fri, 08 August 2014, 11:16:01
Post by: Grim Fandango on Fri, 08 August 2014, 11:20:39
After hoff and cpt hyping it up...I think I want to try this stroopwafel thing too :o.
I live in Holland. People love those things over here. Whenever family and friends come over from other countries we get a freshly made one (where the "stroop" is still warm). Only few people I have met did not like them. Dutch people you ask might be sick of them.
Post by: Melvang on Fri, 08 August 2014, 12:02:42
It might be that things need to be timed to avoid some of the hotter temperatures that some places are currently experiencing. I am not sure whether a box of chocolates shipped through normal mail when temperatures are over 30 degrees Celsius will make it without completely melting.
Freeze until solid, pack in shredded newspaper, put back in freezer for a couple days, ship with quickest reasonable shipping method.
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 08 August 2014, 12:12:54
(http://i.imgur.com/3sCnU9l.jpg) (http://imgur.com/3sCnU9l)
Post by: Lastpilot on Fri, 08 August 2014, 12:47:21
Grim, on a whole other topic of Dutch doing stuff with sugar: ;)Careful man or that awesome lava-filled orion might melt it!
(http://i.imgur.com/3sCnU9l.jpg) (http://imgur.com/3sCnU9l)
Post by: Willyc277 on Fri, 08 August 2014, 13:54:12
Post by: JackMills on Fri, 08 August 2014, 14:15:28
Cuberdons can only be preserved for about three weeks, after which period the inside begins to crystallize. This limited preservability is the reason why cuberdons are not exported outside of Belgium (According to Wikipedia), but I can always check and maybe try to send of really fresh ones.
Post by: Grim Fandango on Fri, 08 August 2014, 14:25:55
Grim, on a whole other topic of Dutch doing stuff with sugar: ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/3sCnU9l.jpg) (http://imgur.com/3sCnU9l)
haha, I love all three of those. Those "vruchtenhagel" are great, but people who are not from Holland do not always love it. Aniseed has a taste that might take some getting used to :D
As a kid, whenever I ate bread (Dutch eat a lot of bread for those who don't know), I was basically eating candy every day with these kind of toppings.
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 08 August 2014, 14:29:55
As the Dutch are chipping in, what would you like from Belgium? Chocolats are not easy to sent (huge cost on packaging last time I looked), but we have something called cuberdon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuberdon (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuberdon).Gentse neuzen? Very nice! They are very tasty but quite heavy. Three of those are sure to make your stomach protest. :D
Cuberdons can only be preserved for about three weeks, after which period the inside begins to crystallize. This limited preservability is the reason why cuberdons are not exported outside of Belgium (According to Wikipedia), but I can always check and maybe try to send of really fresh ones.
Post by: JaccoW on Fri, 08 August 2014, 14:39:02
Ha! I can assure you that sugar and chocolate won't look half as much fun but be twice as messy as a can of coke being eaten by lavaGrim, on a whole other topic of Dutch doing stuff with sugar: ;)Careful man or that awesome lava-filled orion might melt it!
(http://i.imgur.com/3sCnU9l.jpg) (http://imgur.com/3sCnU9l)
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8025263616/hFE27AED5/)
Post by: JackMills on Fri, 08 August 2014, 15:23:06
Post by: cmadrid on Sat, 09 August 2014, 10:14:06
Post by: Harrowed on Sat, 09 August 2014, 10:45:00
Post by: gnubag on Sun, 10 August 2014, 02:30:24
Post by: Grim Fandango on Sun, 10 August 2014, 06:43:53
And how about speculaas? Ideal for all coffee addicts as it accompanies it rather well.
I always assumed people had their own version of speculaas in other places as well. Oh man.
Post by: JackMills on Sun, 10 August 2014, 07:03:28
Me too, but I experienced that this is not always the case. I see a lot of tourists buying this in Bruges, so I guess there must be differences.And how about speculaas? Ideal for all coffee addicts as it accompanies it rather well.
I always assumed people had their own version of speculaas in other places as well. Oh man.
Post by: kys on Sun, 10 August 2014, 10:07:50
Post by: bueller on Sun, 10 August 2014, 10:18:31
Post by: Heezy on Sun, 10 August 2014, 10:42:01
Kit Kat - Passion Fruit (5)
Kit Kat - Royal Milk Tea (5)
Kit Kat - Mango (5)
Post by: Heliosphere on Sun, 10 August 2014, 13:02:31
Post by: JaccoW on Sun, 10 August 2014, 13:29:24
Post by: mountainwizard on Sun, 10 August 2014, 21:32:04
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 11 August 2014, 08:59:48
Wait, are we requesting amount orders already, or just thinking of ideas/expressing interest?
Just expressing interest. I'm just keeping rough tallies to note which items are definitely popular enough to warrant a purchase. :thumb:
Haven't forgotten about this, just working out the most cost efficient way of shipping everything. Pretty sure if I keep each package under 2kg it will save a fairly decent amount of money.
I was anticipating you would just send everything over to me in bulk and I would divy it up and add in the kit kats and things from other locations to send to the US people in one package. Or do you have a different idea that would be better?
Post by: bueller on Mon, 11 August 2014, 09:01:50
Wait, are we requesting amount orders already, or just thinking of ideas/expressing interest?
Just expressing interest. I'm just keeping rough tallies to note which items are definitely popular enough to warrant a purchase. :thumb:Haven't forgotten about this, just working out the most cost efficient way of shipping everything. Pretty sure if I keep each package under 2kg it will save a fairly decent amount of money.
I was anticipating you would just send everything over to me in bulk and I would divy it up and add in the kit kats and things from other locations to send to the US people in one package. Or do you have a different idea that would be better?
Oh yeah that was my plan too but our postal system is bull****. Anything over 2kg pretty much doubles the shipping cost so I'll just need to split them all up across a few different boxes to keep them under 2kg.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 11 August 2014, 09:03:00
Wait, are we requesting amount orders already, or just thinking of ideas/expressing interest?
Just expressing interest. I'm just keeping rough tallies to note which items are definitely popular enough to warrant a purchase. :thumb:Haven't forgotten about this, just working out the most cost efficient way of shipping everything. Pretty sure if I keep each package under 2kg it will save a fairly decent amount of money.
I was anticipating you would just send everything over to me in bulk and I would divy it up and add in the kit kats and things from other locations to send to the US people in one package. Or do you have a different idea that would be better?
Oh yeah that was my plan too but our postal system is bull****. Anything over 2kg pretty much doubles the shipping cost so I'll just need to split them all up across a few different boxes to keep them under 2kg.
Oh okay sweet. That's really dumb, but I understand now. :thumb: Carry on! :-*
Post by: Mad_Doktor on Mon, 11 August 2014, 09:25:59
I need to check my local Japanese/Korean supermarkets if they have those flavours available as I know that the Strawberry variant is definitely available.
Doh, just realized it was CONUS only :(
But my supermarket does have strawberry and green tea so i have been appeased slightly.
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 13 August 2014, 10:19:25
edit: i want like 50 boxes [like individual boxes, so like 2 cases]
also, that's chef boyardee in the gif, although the same youtube channel has a can of coke
Post by: velocirabbit on Wed, 13 August 2014, 11:15:41
I'm in if it's for candy.
Post by: V1ral on Wed, 13 August 2014, 11:27:22
Oh, and if it's possible to get Choco Gumimies for cheaper than 5 USD, I'd like to request that as well!
Post by: asassdsd on Thu, 14 August 2014, 21:12:41
One thing they do that is really smart is that they ship their product with ice packs so they dont melt. Maybe we can do something similar.
Post by: taylordcraig on Fri, 15 August 2014, 01:50:40
Speaking of foreign sweets. I just bought 25 packs of Maltesers from Amazon. They are british Malt balls 100x better than the stupid stuff here in U.S.
One thing they do that is really smart is that they ship their product with ice packs so they dont melt. Maybe we can do something similar.
Are you talking about these? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maltesers
They're about the same as Whoppers. I need to find a better version.
For now, I want Astros so bad, can someone please let me know if we can get them into Canada? [plz someone smuggle them for me]
Post by: Smasher816 on Mon, 25 August 2014, 18:04:44
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 25 August 2014, 18:09:34
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 25 August 2014, 18:17:34
So... how's it going?
Yes, I should be posting more updates here. Sorry about that.
The M&M deal seems like it may not work out. bueller had issues sending them for any cheaper than we could buy them from an Amazon proxy. :( But last I heard he was trying to figure out a way to ship them cheaper and make it work.
I've got some work to do with the Kit Kats, and that's on me. I need to figure out how much it will cost to get them here, and then settle some other logistical things. As for stroopwaffels, I had actually forgotten about them ( :eek: , I know) and will handle that soon.
So basically, I've got a lot of work to do!
Post by: Lastpilot on Mon, 25 August 2014, 18:23:04
The M&M deal seems like it may not work out.(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/817/449/17d.png)
Post by: Halverson on Sat, 06 September 2014, 23:46:29
NEVERMIND
Canada has though
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 18 September 2014, 18:22:08
I'm back from travelling and have some Coffee Crisps in hand. It's nowhere near enough for this GB, but it did help me confirm that they are freaking delicious.
I also have some preliminary pricing information, but only for the Coffee Crisps.
Halverson is able to purchase a case of 48 bars for around $30 (maybe $35?), and can ship them to me for *hopefully* $25. (I did say this is very preliminary pricing info)
That means that the price to me is $1.25 per bar. (rounding up from $1.15, to account for unexpected fees)
Everyone involved in the buy would obviously also have to pay shipping fees to their doors, but does this price range seem appealing to people? I know that I'm willing to pay it personally, because they're so delicious, but I need some feedback from you guys.
Also, does anyone in Canada have any leads on places to get these boxes cheaper?
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 18 September 2014, 18:24:55
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 18 September 2014, 18:47:02
Find out MOQ from nestle LOL.
Hopefully they respond!
Post by: mreverything on Thu, 18 September 2014, 18:51:59
Could you guys send stuff down here to Brazil in a boomerang or something like that? Cause I'm down with the Passion Fruit KK.
KK like okay or KK like haha in Brazilian online slang? Essa gíria brasileira é demais...
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 18 September 2014, 18:52:49
Post by: Sent on Thu, 18 September 2014, 19:02:11
Maybe they will just stop being silly and only offering things in certain regions for no damn reason.
But but but...no way someone outside of this region will like this flavor. Unthinkable! :))
Post by: divito on Thu, 18 September 2014, 21:46:08
Everyone! I want to update this thread so you guys know I haven't forgotten. And because I have information to share, I suppose.
I'm back from travelling and have some Coffee Crisps in hand. It's nowhere near enough for this GB, but it did help me confirm that they are freaking delicious.
I also have some preliminary pricing information, but only for the Coffee Crisps.
Halverson is able to purchase a case of 48 bars for around $30 (maybe $35?), and can ship them to me for *hopefully* $25. (I did say this is very preliminary pricing info)
That means that the price to me is $1.25 per bar. (rounding up from $1.15, to account for unexpected fees)
Everyone involved in the buy would obviously also have to pay shipping fees to their doors, but does this price range seem appealing to people? I know that I'm willing to pay it personally, because they're so delicious, but I need some feedback from you guys.
Also, does anyone in Canada have any leads on places to get these boxes cheaper?
Is he getting them from Costco? If I remember correctly, the 48 pack is roughly $30 as you stated. My membership just expired, so I'll need to renew before I can test that out.
Post by: byker on Thu, 18 September 2014, 22:04:41
Everyone! I want to update this thread so you guys know I haven't forgotten. And because I have information to share, I suppose.
I'm back from travelling and have some Coffee Crisps in hand. It's nowhere near enough for this GB, but it did help me confirm that they are freaking delicious.
I also have some preliminary pricing information, but only for the Coffee Crisps.
Halverson is able to purchase a case of 48 bars for around $30 (maybe $35?), and can ship them to me for *hopefully* $25. (I did say this is very preliminary pricing info)
That means that the price to me is $1.25 per bar. (rounding up from $1.15, to account for unexpected fees)
Everyone involved in the buy would obviously also have to pay shipping fees to their doors, but does this price range seem appealing to people? I know that I'm willing to pay it personally, because they're so delicious, but I need some feedback from you guys.
Also, does anyone in Canada have any leads on places to get these boxes cheaper?
So there is a dollar store near me that sells full sized chocolate bars for $0.67. Maybe asking one of them if they would do a deal for a whole box?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 19 September 2014, 19:02:48
Is he getting them from Costco? If I remember correctly, the 48 pack is roughly $30 as you stated. My membership just expired, so I'll need to renew before I can test that out.
Yep! That's exactly right. :thumb:
So there is a dollar store near me that sells full sized chocolate bars for $0.67. Maybe asking one of them if they would do a deal for a whole box?
Well?! What are you waiting for?? :-* pls halp
Post by: elton5354 on Fri, 19 September 2014, 19:07:51
Post by: byker on Fri, 19 September 2014, 19:41:22
Is he getting them from Costco? If I remember correctly, the 48 pack is roughly $30 as you stated. My membership just expired, so I'll need to renew before I can test that out.
Yep! That's exactly right. :thumb:So there is a dollar store near me that sells full sized chocolate bars for $0.67. Maybe asking one of them if they would do a deal for a whole box?
Well?! What are you waiting for?? :-* pls halp
What kind of timeline are we looking at?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 19 September 2014, 19:43:01
What kind of timeline are we looking at?
Excellent question. We're only in the IC phase of the buy, so it's still a month out at least I figure. But if you're able to secure some great pricing, I would strongly consider just throwing down a bunch of my own money and essentially selling them at cost to others.
Post by: divito on Fri, 19 September 2014, 23:22:19
So there is a dollar store near me that sells full sized chocolate bars for $0.67. Maybe asking one of them if they would do a deal for a whole box?
Dollar stores and their food are usually creeping closer to the best before date. If you happen to try this (and I can check locally as well), we just need to make sure what we're getting is not going to hamper the quality for our fellow GHers.
Post by: byker on Fri, 19 September 2014, 23:26:11
So there is a dollar store near me that sells full sized chocolate bars for $0.67. Maybe asking one of them if they would do a deal for a whole box?
Dollar stores and their food are usually creeping closer to the best before date. If you happen to try this (and I can check locally as well), we just need to make sure we're getting that's not going to hamper the quality for our fellow GHers.
Good call. That is definitely an issue. If we go through this route, the quality wont be as good as costco. I have had some of their stuff before and some of the bars taste normal, others taste a little stale.
Post by: Heliosphere on Mon, 20 October 2014, 15:19:28
Post by: bazemk1979 on Mon, 20 October 2014, 15:29:55
Post by: graefeln on Mon, 20 October 2014, 17:36:35
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 20 October 2014, 17:42:26
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8446/7982777739_bed00c5f66_z.jpg)
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 20 October 2014, 17:56:54
So, since halloween is coming around the corner, apparently "halloween edition" coffee crisps are out again. :PShow Image(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8446/7982777739_bed00c5f66_z.jpg)
OH MY GOD.
Man, this picture reminded me of a popsicle that used to exist here in Brazil (90's).
It was black with a red cream inside it, can't remember the name.
My god, it was delicious, there's probably 17 years or something that I last ate one, they're gone for almost 2 decades by this time.
The memories...
Post by: dustinhxc on Mon, 20 October 2014, 20:25:11
So, since halloween is coming around the corner, apparently "halloween edition" coffee crisps are out again. :PShow Image(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8446/7982777739_bed00c5f66_z.jpg)
Awesome! COFFIN CRISP!
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 20 October 2014, 23:33:23
So, since halloween is coming around the corner, apparently "halloween edition" coffee crisps are out again. :PShow Image(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8446/7982777739_bed00c5f66_z.jpg)
Awesome! COFFIN CRISP!
If you didn't point out "Coffin", I wouldn't have noticed it. LOL
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 22 October 2014, 18:55:11
So, since halloween is coming around the corner, apparently "halloween edition" coffee crisps are out again. :PShow Image(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8446/7982777739_bed00c5f66_z.jpg)
UMMM, I JUST MISSED THIS POST UNTIL NOW AND I HAVE ONE SAD. PLEASE FIND THEM FOR US ZEAL
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 22 October 2014, 18:57:30
So, since halloween is coming around the corner, apparently "halloween edition" coffee crisps are out again. :PShow Image(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8446/7982777739_bed00c5f66_z.jpg)
UMMM, I JUST MISSED THIS POST UNTIL NOW AND I HAVE ONE SAD. PLEASE FIND THEM FOR US ZEAL
Time to start offering a "snacks" section in the shop? :))
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 22 October 2014, 18:58:14
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 22 October 2014, 19:04:01
Nah, it wouldn't be good for your site mang. I'd hit F5 so hard I'd crash it.
Wut is dis?!
http://zealpc.net/products/snacks-pocky-kit-kat-coffee-crisp-etc
Coming Soon™
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 22 October 2014, 19:10:23
Nah, it wouldn't be good for your site mang. I'd hit F5 so hard I'd crash it.
Wut is dis?!
http://zealpc.net/products/snacks-pocky-kit-kat-coffee-crisp-etc
Coming Soon™
Dude, it's sold out. Probably because they're free. :rolleyes:
What's your source on the kit kats? If it's reasonable, do you think you could consider being the kit kat proxy for this buy?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 22 October 2014, 19:14:34
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 22 October 2014, 19:16:56
Just a supermarket a block or two away from my office. They always have lots of Japanese snacks. I think those were the only 2 special kit kats though. 1 bag cost about $6.3CAD after tax. (And the Canadian dollar is dropping like nuts :'()Nah, it wouldn't be good for your site mang. I'd hit F5 so hard I'd crash it.
Wut is dis?!
http://zealpc.net/products/snacks-pocky-kit-kat-coffee-crisp-etc
Coming Soon™
Dude, it's sold out. Probably because they're free. :rolleyes:
What's your source on the kit kats? If it's reasonable, do you think you could consider being the kit kat proxy for this buy?
HOW IS YOUR SITE STILL UP ZEAL? I'M TAPPING F5 SO HARD.
MY SITE ISN'T RUN OFF OF HAMSTERS, UNLIKE SOME OTHERS OUT THERE, YA KNOW!
Post by: Lastpilot on Wed, 22 October 2014, 21:04:54
Source: http://www.candyblog.net/blog/item/candy_tease_2014
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 22 October 2014, 23:39:01
btw,
#CoffeeCrisp
(http://i.imgur.com/XcnzbgJ.jpg)
Post by: Smasher816 on Wed, 22 October 2014, 23:59:43
But I have never seen these (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Smarties-UK-Candies.jpg)
Post by: adrl on Mon, 27 October 2014, 08:00:43
Just a supermarket a block or two away from my office. They always have lots of Japanese snacks. I think those were the only 2 special kit kats though. 1 bag cost about $6.3CAD after tax. (And the Canadian dollar is dropping like nuts :'()
The green tea kit kat is $5.99 here in Toronto but I had to bus for 30 minutes. Was it worth it? Yes!
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 27 October 2014, 20:21:31
(http://i.imgur.com/ZuEF82r.jpg)
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 27 October 2014, 20:23:16
Cross post cuz why not.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZuEF82r.jpg)
You got my address just send me some of those kit kats :P
Post by: divito on Thu, 30 October 2014, 08:40:16
(http://i.imgur.com/rfwC64x.jpg)
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 30 October 2014, 08:48:17
Post by: HipsterPunks on Thu, 30 October 2014, 08:56:00
Post by: dustinhxc on Thu, 30 October 2014, 10:42:22
Post by: margo baggins on Thu, 30 October 2014, 11:36:57
Post by: Joey Quinn on Thu, 30 October 2014, 11:46:51
Post by: apathy3cs on Wed, 05 November 2014, 00:30:45
Might be interested in this. Let me see what I have available from Mitsuwa / HMart and I might opt for some of those Kit Kats.
Post by: adrl on Wed, 05 November 2014, 00:58:03
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 05 November 2014, 01:00:32
Are there anywhere to get Royal Milk Tea in Canada? If not, I'll join if (if someone can proxy to me :( )
What royal milk tea?
This
(http://www.melon-soda.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/KitKat-RoyalMilkTea-front.jpg)
or this?
(https://apalecanadian.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/royal-milk-tea-rakuten.jpg)
Post by: adrl on Wed, 05 November 2014, 10:23:58
What royal milk tea?
Kit Kat of course!
I want to sample all the kit kats as well :D
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 05 November 2014, 12:21:59
someone send me snacks for christmas. PLS. :)Got ya back Mix Master Margo ;)
Post by: margo baggins on Wed, 05 November 2014, 12:24:42
someone send me snacks for christmas. PLS. :)Got ya back Mix Master Margo ;)
I love it when people know my address :D <3
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 19 December 2014, 00:33:11
THESE THINGS ARE GOOD
I suggest we get Tim Tams!
I'm not sure the difficulty of this or interest but just thought id throw it out there if it wasnt out there already.
I'm interested in the less common flavors like Salted Caramel and Raspberry :p
Post by: bueller on Fri, 19 December 2014, 00:39:22
My girlfriend just bought some BlackMlik (Australian clothing) and she got sent Tim Tams.
THESE THINGS ARE GOOD
I suggest we get Tim Tams!
I'm not sure the difficulty of this or interest but just thought id throw it out there if it wasnt out there already.
I'm interested in the less common flavors like Salted Caramel and Raspberry :p
The flavored Tim Tams kind of suck to be honest, when I've had them they've tasted super artificial. Can't beat the original.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 19 December 2014, 01:24:13
My girlfriend just bought some BlackMlik (Australian clothing) and she got sent Tim Tams.
THESE THINGS ARE GOOD
I suggest we get Tim Tams!
I'm not sure the difficulty of this or interest but just thought id throw it out there if it wasnt out there already.
I'm interested in the less common flavors like Salted Caramel and Raspberry :p
The flavored Tim Tams kind of suck to be honest, when I've had them they've tasted super artificial. Can't beat the original.
I'm not a huge chocolate fan sadly (wasn't allowed to eat chocolate as a kid) but I'm planning on trying to original flavor as soon as I can get to a World Market :)
For now I only have those two flavors :(
Post by: byker on Fri, 19 December 2014, 02:26:00
Post by: frostylove on Fri, 19 December 2014, 09:36:27
They are so tasty!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 19 December 2014, 09:58:08
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:01:34
You sure you can't get Tim Tams in the USA? We get them imported here in Canada. I missed them so much from when I was a kid back in NZ, so I was super happy to find them here!As far as I know, World Market is the only store here that sells them. They only have these to choose from:
http://www.worldmarket.com/search.do?query=Tim+tams
Pepperidge Farm apparently sold them during special months (Ovtober to March according to wiki) and were sold at normal grocerie stores but I'm not sure if that is true as of today. People said they are different from the original anyway so I'm not interested.
I'll just have to pick them up when I can or get someone to ship some over from Canada or Australia :P
Post by: strict on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:04:15
After that, I will eat them. And then make some decisions regarding this GB.
Cant make important decisions on an empty stomach :))
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sat, 20 December 2014, 15:06:30
http://www.amazon.com/Ms-Crispy-Sharing-Candy-Ounce/dp/B00OLPNCAA
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 20 December 2014, 15:14:00
Post by: fuzzby on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:34:37
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 13 February 2015, 11:03:41
I am very interested in all Kit Kat flavors except Green Tea (have access to that already).Welcome to Geekhack! Solid choice starting out with an interest check for your first post, you'll soon know the way of wallethack :)) :thumb:
Hooooof, where are my snacks? :confused: