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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: sagi22n on Sun, 10 August 2014, 09:45:08
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NEW:" my understanding that BUCKLING SPRING is for GAMING why some of you say its not for gaming?
is it or isn't it?
HERE IS YOU CHANCE TO MAKE A VOTE THAT COUNTS
i am developing a new gaming keyboard, form data collected from all over the web.
the main topic is the key mechanism. assuming same keyboard was available for the same price,
WHICH ONE WILL YOU BUY?
CHERRY MX GREEN or BUCKLING SPRING
the first to get 100 votes win and it will be the next keyboard i am making.
i will randomly select one of the voters to get 1 free keyboard when its ready.
and every one that vote will get 15% off coupon.
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I would go Buckling spring, but I wouldn't really want to use either for gaming. :-\
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I would go for buckling spring, since i didn't try it yet.
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60% buckling spring
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BS obviously
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60% bs in gh60 max keys layout.
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I miss buckling spring, and don't currently own one, so I'd go for that. Plus, I already have and use a green.
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Easiest vote of my life.
Buckling Spring.
Edit: If it's for gaming neither are ideal. But BS would win again anyways.
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Buckling spring
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Buckling spring, please.
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Why not both? I have both and I love them. But if I had to choose? Buckling spring.
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BS of course (if you have to decide)
but it doesnt hurt to try both...
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If you were actually able to make a BS board of quality, I would take it hands down over green!
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Buckling spring, absolutely.
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BS
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Buckling Spring > Greens
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I like greens, but I want to see someone make a new (better looking) BS keyboard so I vote buckling spring. Preferably of the TKL or smaller variety.
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Well... lock it up. I think we have our answer.
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i am developing a new gaming keyboard, form data collected from all over the web.
the main topic is the key mechanism. assuming same keyboard was available for the same price,
WHICH ONE WILL YOU BUY?
CHERRY MX GREEN or BUCKLING SPRING
What? I don't even... My vote is for buckling spring but seriously? :))
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i am developing a new gaming keyboard, form data collected from all over the web.
the main topic is the key mechanism. assuming same keyboard was available for the same price,
WHICH ONE WILL YOU BUY?
CHERRY MX GREEN or BUCKLING SPRING
What? I don't even... My vote is for buckling spring but seriously? :))
Ssshhh, don't complain :))
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Ssshhh, don't complain :))
Not complaining but this needs more details :p
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I like buckling spring too, but I want to know how you intend to solve the logistical problems of manufacturing a new buckling spring board.
MX switches, it's just a matter of placing an order and waiting. Buckling springs would be basically starting from scratch.
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MX switches, it's just a matter of placing an order and waiting. Buckling springs would be basically starting from scratch.
Shush! Do not discourage him! :p
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BS.
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Buckling Springs. No contest. If you can pull it off, you'll see a good number of sales considering the only new option for them is Unicomp.
I'll admit I haven't used MX Greens, but I don't like how Blues feel and making them heavier wouldn't help much. Cherry clicky just feels cheap.
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Buckling Spring for sure!
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I have both already, and I don't understand how people could want to GAME on a B/S keyboard.
My Model M is my daily driver, but I always pull out another keyboard to game. Typically it is a Ducky 108 with MX Greens.
Also, patents?
- Ron | samwisekoi
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60% buckling spring
what do you mean which one will be buckling and which green?
not sure its passable buy i can check
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greens are better for gaming, but are too heavy to actually game on
BS is good to type on but 2kro is bleh
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I love buckling springs and use them almost exclusively, but I don't game. My understanding is that they are not that great for gaming, and, although my Fs are NKRO, the Ms aren't.
There are a lot of people who would love to see a new modern BS keyboard hit the market, but probably not gamers.
I got my son a Filco TKL with black Cherries and strategically-placed O-rings (to cut travel distance and speed up reset time) on about a dozen specific keys, and he thinks he is in gaming heaven.
I recommend that you look towards something resembling "jailhouse greens" to really get gamers going.
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BUCKLING SPRING keyboard is it good for gaming?
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BUCKLING SPRING keyboard is it good for gaming?
Not really, but you can do fine with any switch for gaming. The biggest issue is having the right layout (usually it's a small layout) and making sure that the switches don't make your fingers tired.
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I like both of them, but for gaming, I need to vote for mx green.
BS for gaming just doesn't feel right to me...
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Buckling spring goodness !!!
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BS, no contest :llama:
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BS for sure and if you can manage to make it capacitive BS AKA Model F then it would be glorious!
And to those that say it's not nice for gaming, well I use my model F for gaming and it's super nice. Not saying cherry is bad, but I prefer the fell of BS by far.
It just feels so solid and clicky!
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Both. With a slight preference for BS.
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Neither are any good for gaming. If I had to choose, I'd go with buckling spring since it doesn't have the reset point issue.
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BS fosho!
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BUCKLING SPRING keyboard is it good for gaming?
no
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Wait a second, you realize that it's actually impossible to build a BS keyboard from scratch, right?
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buckling springs!
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Capacitive Buckling Spring, but only for typing, NOT FOR GAMING. I don't like switches with hysteresis (different actuation and reset points) for gaming (MX Blues, Greens, Whites and Buckling Spring).
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Why are you guys so focussed on the gaming part?
After all everybody can use the keyboard for whatever he likes.
I just chose BS, because I'd love to have a modern TKL BS board!
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Why are you guys so focussed on the gaming part?
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From the OP:
NEW:" my understanding that BUCKLING SPRING is for GAMING why some of you say its not for gaming?
is it or isn't it?
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i am developing a new gaming keyboard...
Wait a second, you realize that it's actually impossible to build a BS keyboard from scratch, right?
It's not impossible, just not easy. You need to make a plate (molded from plastic including slider tubes or from metal with molded plastic slider tubes that can be fitted) and PCB and design the PCB and sensors very well so it can sense correctly. Or you can use a membrane design, with the membrane between the plate and PCB / backplate, but I think capacitive sensing is both more robust and more interesting. You can buy the springs and pivoting plates (hammers). If you want to mass produce it, you'll probably have to buy stuff from Unicomp in bulk.
If I were making a gaming keyboard I would offer 2 versions, one with MX Clears and one with MX Blacks. I may even offer a few "customised" versions with swapped springs (Ghost Blacks and Panda Clears).
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Honestly I can't say since I've never tried BS, but if they are lighter than MX Greens which I have tried, then YES, buckling springs!
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I used to play borderlands on an ssk, definitely not a bad thing except you'll done your friends crazy if you're on voice chat.
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UNICOMP IS SELLING buckling spring KEYBOARD FOR UNDER 100$ SO WHY NOT BUY FROM THEM?
i am trying to build the ultimate gaming keyboard so first i like to know what most gamers prefer to type on.
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Buckling Springs would be cool.
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what most gamers prefer to type on.
Usually the word "type" refers to writing such as documents, coding, etc.
It is generally understood that typers and gamers have very different needs and expectations.
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UNICOMP IS SELLING buckling spring KEYBOARD FOR UNDER 100$ SO WHY NOT BUY FROM THEM?
i am trying to build the ultimate gaming keyboard so first i like to know what most gamers prefer to type on.
Then I guess you should have asked "What keyswitch do gamers like most".
For most I guess it would be MX Reds or Blacks. For me and some others, MX Clears. There are already a lot of gamer boards with Reds. That's why I'd offer one with Blacks or Clears.
I like Clears because they are very tactile, but they don't have hysteresis (actuation and reset points in different places) and you can "hover" with them like you can with linear switches (MX Reds and Blacks) due to the actuation point being just below the tactile bump, so you can use it as a reference. That makes them nice for gaming AND typing for me.
All switches can be used for gaming and it's largely a personal preference, but some switches have physical limitations which make them "less good". Buckling Springs and MX "clicky" switches like Blues and Greens have hysteresis. Buckling Spring switches are also usually harder to press and require further movement before actuating than most others. Topre switches have a force curve that makes it hard not to bottom out when you press them, whcih makes it difficult / impossible to "hover" them. Normal rubber dome keyboards actuate on bottom out, so you have to press the key all the way to the bottom to actuate it.
FranBunnyFFXII mentioned that the reason they want a buckling spring keyboard for gaming is the tactility, but they may not have been aware of MX Clear switches which have tactility, but not hysteresis and actuate 2mm down and can be "hovered". It's not a good idea to make a product based on just one person's opinion, so it's good that you're asking here. You'll get lots of opinions and most of them will be different from each other ;) So don't just go by my opinion, either.
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I personally game with my gh60 with ergo clears. If I had a 60% bs board then I would use it.
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60% BS has been a dream of mine for a while ;D
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Neither.
I mean, I suppose that if I had to choose between only these two, and specifically with gaming in mind, I'd pick the buckling spring, since the tactile and auditory feedback of BS is more precisely aligned with the activation than, AFAIK, any other switch, but I'm not super enthusiastic about either BS or MX Green.
Of course, if you do go the BS route for a gaming keyboard, you will have to work out a way of implementing acceptable rollover, unlike Unicomp. An NKRO membrane (there are a couple of Korean market dome keyboards with this) or Model F-style capacitive sensing would do. A "gaming optimized matrix", on the other hand, is not acceptable, since these are just 2KRO with marketing bull****, even if they claim a large rollover number by measuring incorrectly (rollover is measured by the worst-case scenario, not the best).
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Why are you guys so focussed on the gaming part?
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From the OP:
NEW:" my understanding that BUCKLING SPRING is for GAMING why some of you say its not for gaming?
is it or isn't it?
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i am developing a new gaming keyboard...
Yeah, I read that, but just because it says gaming doesn't mean I can use it for whatever I want!
Or are we talking about an Orbweaver thingie and not a regular TKL/Fullsize board here?
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i don't game, but do some serious typing...........
bs-- not even a contest :cool:
........and yes i have both
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buckling spring - cause i love them
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BS please
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Yeah for gaming
Mx Clear
Green and BS are bad choices...
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MX Greens are the bomb... except I haven't tried bs yet
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Buckling spring please
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I don't even get the point of this thread. OP is a new member, comes in claiming to be making a new keyboard, doesn't provide any credentials or capability details, and most likely doesn't even know what it takes to create a buckling spring keyboard.
People really need to be a little more critical in here. And by a little I mean a lot.
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I don't even get the point of this thread. OP is a new member, comes in claiming to be making a new keyboard, doesn't provide any credentials or capability details, and most likely doesn't even know what it takes to create a buckling spring keyboard.
People really need to be a little more critical in here. And by a little I mean a lot.
I guess nobody expects OP to actually deliver and they just stated their personal favorite for fun?!
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People really need to be a little more critical in here. And by a little I mean a lot.
The non-gamers will squeak for BS every time but the gamers will always go for the cherry, has always been the same in the past here on GH and will always happen in the future as well.
Good luck to anyone wanting to create a BS keyboard from scratch that has at least 25 nkro :thumb: .
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I don't even get the point of this thread. OP is a new member, comes in claiming to be making a new keyboard, doesn't provide any credentials or capability details, and most likely doesn't even know what it takes to create a buckling spring keyboard.
People really need to be a little more critical in here. And by a little I mean a lot.
I guess nobody expects OP to actually deliver and they just stated their personal favorite for fun?!
Yep! I don't think anyone here read the OP and thought, "Gee this guy seems legit and has a wealth of keyboard knowledge, can't wait to see what he puts out!" I'm pretty sure everyone is just ****ing around with the idea of a new BS board.
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I guess nobody expects OP to actually deliver and they just stated their personal favorite for fun?!
OP was probably Ripster just trying to stir up emotions.
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I guess nobody expects OP to actually deliver and they just stated their personal favorite for fun?!
OP was probably Ripster just trying to stir up emotions.
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Buckling Spring.
It's slightly nicer than Greens because the reset point is identical to the actuation point, so there's no chance of losing a keypress. But generally a lighter action key is prefered by most gamers. I haven't run into much issues with my Unicomp, but I've not been gaming with it heavily yet either (only some Elite Dangerous).
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BS
People really need to be a little more critical in here. And by a little I mean a lot.
The non-gamers will squeak for BS every time but the gamers will always go for the cherry, has always been the same in the past here on GH and will always happen in the future as well.
Good luck to anyone wanting to create a BS keyboard from scratch that has at least 25 nkro :thumb: .
I really don't see why everyone just assumes this to be so. I rotate between clicky types and game just fine on all of them despite possibility of 2KRO. From BS, to Matias, Monterey Blue, Space Invaders, etc. None of which are cherry.
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I guess nobody expects OP to actually deliver and they just stated their personal favorite for fun?!
That's how I read this thread.
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I guess nobody expects OP to actually deliver and they just stated their personal favorite for fun?!
That's how I read this thread.
Same here.
Who cares about OP all we see is an open door to yell how hipster***s we are in here.
Lol just kidding love you guys.
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I want greens. TKL greens.
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Ya'll are toasting in a roll bread
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so for typing or gaming buckling springs is what everyone want.
i am going to build one with some function options and better layout.
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I wouldn't say bucklings are great for gaming either... I also like greens because I imagine they're easier to mod; being cherry mx and all
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buckling spring clearing！！！
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so for typing or gaming buckling springs is what everyone want.
Nope. For typing, NOT gaming. For gaming I want Cherry MX Blacks or Cherry MX Clears.
i am going to build one with some function options and better layout.
Good luck with that. Please post updates here on GH. I think the "Making Stuff Together" subforum is the best place for this.
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60% buckling spring
what do you mean which one will be buckling and which green?
not sure its passable buy i can check
He means that he wants a buckling spring keyboard with only 61 or so keys on it in total. I am on my phone right now so I won't link you anything but look up the poker keyboard and you will see