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Title: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: sagi22n on Sun, 10 August 2014, 19:47:51
NEW CHANGE: FOR GAMING:
DO YOU THINK THAT BS KEYBOARD WITH THIS LAYOUT AND 3 FUNCTION KEY IS GOOD? OR GREEN MX?

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looks like most thinks that  BUCKLING SPRING is the best old new thing for keyboard.
what about this layout. i have got it from FranBunnyFFXII  a 10 year mmorpg gamer.
dose she finely got it right?
it will have led lights and 5 programmable macro keys.
windows key toggle.
and i can add any good suggestion you might have
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Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 10 August 2014, 19:53:09
Something like this would be much preferred.
(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/288/186/191/27e3c7920d7891afd5f98318c8ae2c3c.jpg)

This is generally referred to as the "1800 layout" based off of the G80-1800.
It has arrows, f-row, and numpad all on a tkl form factor(ish)
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: HipsterPunks on Sun, 10 August 2014, 19:58:28
(http://i.imgur.com/C3NgJEi.jpg)
Happy hacking buckling keyboard...
You know what to do  :cool:

Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: ComradeSniper on Sun, 10 August 2014, 20:09:50
Quote from: HipsterPunks on Sun, 10 August 2014, 19:58:28
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/C3NgJEi.jpg)

Happy hacking buckling keyboard...
You know what to do  :cool:

Yes please
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: jonathanyu on Sun, 10 August 2014, 20:11:36
Quote from: HipsterPunks on Sun, 10 August 2014, 19:58:28
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/C3NgJEi.jpg)

Happy hacking buckling keyboard...
You know what to do  :cool:
(http://i.imgur.com/pzHZW.jpg)

(pic from google)
something like this?
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 10 August 2014, 20:15:28
When I read the OP, "gaming" seemed to be the operative word. Are people picking up on that, or just clamoring for their own desires?

Clearly it needs to stay small and not get crapped up with lame appurtenances, but I have always wanted a pair of secondary "mouse switches" in a handy spot on my keyboard.
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 10 August 2014, 20:16:24
why would you ever want to game on BS when MX black exists
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: dorkvader on Sun, 10 August 2014, 20:46:46
Quote from: ComradeSniper on Sun, 10 August 2014, 20:09:50
Quote from: HipsterPunks on Sun, 10 August 2014, 19:58:28
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/C3NgJEi.jpg)

Happy hacking buckling keyboard...
You know what to do  :cool:

Yes please

This already exists. The IBM 4704-200 is almost perfectly hhkb compatible (especially when you mod the capslock key to remove the step).
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 11 August 2014, 02:51:53
Quote from: jonathanyu on Sun, 10 August 2014, 20:11:36
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/pzHZW.jpg)


(pic from google)
something like this?

Sigh...
Unzip
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: Novus on Mon, 11 August 2014, 02:53:33
HHKB
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: Defect on Mon, 11 August 2014, 06:08:16
So many votes for 60%...one of my favorite layouts but this guy is making a gaming board...

60% would not be ideal for gaming.

Quote from: TacticalStache on Sun, 10 August 2014, 20:16:24
why would you ever want to game on BS when MX black exists

I'm always down for more Buckling Spring.  Sure it's not a great gaming switch, but I just want to see 6KRO or NKRO BS in an alternate layout.  Right now my only option for a non-full-size BS is a used SSK for $200-250.
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 11 August 2014, 06:33:52
Quote from: sagi22n on Sun, 10 August 2014, 19:47:51
looks like most thinks that  BUCKLING SPRING is the best old new thing for keyboard.
what about this layout. i have got it from FranBunnyFFXII  a 10 year mmorpg gamer.
dose she finely got it right?
it will have led lights and 5 programmable macro keys.
windows key toggle.
and i can add any good suggestion you might have
(Attachment Link)

IMHO, nope. But it can be made into a better version.

I have read most of the ideas behind the design from here: http://www.overclock.net/t/1472283/the-keyboard-of-my-dreams-that-no-one-will-ever-make-an-mmorpg-keyboard

That particular player's design criteria are very personal. I don't think it represents the majority of gamers by any means. For instance, I prefer the F keys split up so I can locate the ones I want more easily by touch. If they're in a block together I can't quickly hit F5 or F8, etc.

Drop the numpad completely. Unnecessary on a gaming board. Despite what some gaming boards look like, you don't need extra macro keys to the left of the normal keyboard. If you don't have enough keys around the movement keys including Alt combinations, you're using too many keys when playing, IMO.

Keycap sizes. The bottom row needs fixing. You need an Alt on the right side of the spacebar (for Alt Gr functionality for international use). I would say to use 1.25x, 1.25x, 1.25, 1.5x, 2.25x, 2.25x, 1.5x, 1.25x, 1.25x, 1.25x. That gives you Ctrl, Fn, Super, Alt, Space / Backspace, Space / Backspace, Alt, Super, Menu, Ctrl with oversized Alt keys and swappable Space / Backspace thumb keys (the size of right shift).

Use Cherry MX Greens instead of Buckling Spring to make it easier to design and build and allow more aftermarket keycap choices. Not to mention the possibility of offering the same design with different keyswitch options to appeal to more gamers.

That would be a BETTER gaming board, but a QWERTY style staggered rows board will never be great for gaming. The whole design is a compromise.

An HHKB layout Buckling Spring board, however, is a completely different thing. A thing a lot of GeekHack members would pay a lot of money for  :D  (especially if you can make it with a fully programmable layout, particularly the Fn layer).

Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 11 August 2014, 07:20:24
75% layout like the Keycool 84 or epsilon. Or lightsaver layout.
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: 0100010 on Mon, 11 August 2014, 15:52:55
Need a Sun 7 ANSI type layout in BS - like in my sig.

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/6e020637a1db9ef6f08ea54922507bf9
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 11 August 2014, 16:48:49
if you wanna market towards gamers it HAS to be full size or TKL

I've never convinced anyone to buy a 60%, but TKLs and fullsize is ez mode
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 11 August 2014, 23:31:32
I'm too much a fan of the traditional ANSI TKL layout :p
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 12 August 2014, 05:37:57
Hmmm... y, I guess a standard TKL will sell the best.

But I like the idea of having a more optimised bottom row. Having larger Alt keys and adding a Fn key to the left side allows you to have two spacebars made from right shift keys that can be set to space, backspace or shift for better use of the thumbs. Also puts the left Alt key in a better position to be used when using WASD or ESDF for gaming.

Not sure if that would freak out potential buyers, though. Thing is, there are already plenty of standard layout TKL boards available, something like this with some unique features could help it stand out and be good selling points if the benefits can be promoted well (good marketing).
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: divito on Tue, 12 August 2014, 07:35:30
A TKL (a la SSK) would probably appease the most people and have the best success in sales. Personally, I'd like a 75%-style like CPT said.
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 13 August 2014, 05:26:59
Quote from: divito on Tue, 12 August 2014, 07:35:30
A TKL (a la SSK) would probably appease the most people and have the best success in sales. Personally, I'd like a 75%-style like CPT said.

A conventional TKL, not like that abomination Unicomp is threatening :p
Title: Re: BUCKLING SPRING leads so far WHAT ABOUT THE LAYOUT?
Post by: mougrim on Wed, 13 August 2014, 07:06:02
Capacitive BS with TKL layout :) Oh, and maybe with programmable layer.