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Title: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 11 August 2014, 13:14:30
I'm glad they were on the opposite side of the city from me!  Things got pretty crazy last night..


http://www.kmov.com/special-coverage-001/Reports-Ferguson-protests-turn-violent-270697451.html
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 11 August 2014, 13:16:09
I got excited at first I thought this guy http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=32568, moved. :(
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 11 August 2014, 13:21:15
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f02fd0c70b2aa9a46004f250c55356b2ba51cb5b/c=242-0-1678-1079&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/KSDK/KSDK/2014/08/11/1407759937006-Still0811-00007.jpg)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 11 August 2014, 13:22:14
Crazy stuff man.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 11 August 2014, 13:24:31
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/11/protesters-ferguson-police-department/13893101/

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/f02fd0c70b2aa9a46004f250c55356b2ba51cb5b/c=242-0-1678-1079&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/KSDK/KSDK/2014/08/11/1407773499010-Still0811-00023.jpg)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Mon, 11 August 2014, 13:25:12
i read something about how anonymous are going to release all personal info of the police officers if the officers play dirty
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lurch on Mon, 11 August 2014, 13:36:39
Crazy stuff man.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 12 August 2014, 01:17:08
More tonight.. haven't heard about any looting going on tonight tho.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuzkUDwCYAAj6U0.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: funkymeeba on Tue, 12 August 2014, 08:18:43
My heart goes out to Mike Brown's family. I hope that Ferguson PD is held responsible for their actions.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 12 August 2014, 08:35:28
This is a riot.  Take note, Minneapolis.  A crowd standing in the street after a huge sporting event is *not* a riot.

Scary stuff, I hope everyone's alright after that.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 12 August 2014, 08:43:00

This is a riot.  Take note, Minneapolis.  A crowd standing in the street after a huge sporting event is *not* a riot.

Scary stuff, I hope everyone's alright after that.
they were probably killed in an act of self defense, apart from the white men with assault rifles, they were just innocent onlookers practising the constitution and being free like everyone else.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: riotonthebay on Tue, 12 August 2014, 08:49:47
Uhh... I'm still in NYC actually.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 12 August 2014, 09:04:28
No you aren't... look at #Ferguson on twitter! 
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 13 August 2014, 17:19:10
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GVrziJOe5x0
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 14 August 2014, 01:42:59
http://new.livestream.com/accounts/9035483/events/3271930
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 14 August 2014, 02:04:14
Pretty sad that so few people have posted about this. As a European I can't belive what is happening and that the police openly break the law, stop people filming them (which is an American constitutional right) and openly attack peaceful protesters with year gas and rubber bullets.

I think it says a lot about Geekhack, a website that professes to be, and seems to be made up of Americans.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 14 August 2014, 03:12:37
https://twitter.com/CassFM/status/499800133174063104/photo/1

(http://i.imgur.com/P1mguiZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Thu, 14 August 2014, 07:10:43
Pretty sad that so few people have posted about this. As a European I can't belive what is happening and that the police openly break the law, stop people filming them (which is an American constitutional right) and openly attack peaceful protesters with year gas and rubber bullets.

I think it says a lot about Geekhack, a website that professes to be, and seems to be made up of Americans.

Cops murdering civilians?? We are used to it here in 'murica. Sadly, not really news
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 14 August 2014, 07:42:22
Pretty sad that so few people have posted about this. As a European I can't belive what is happening and that the police openly break the law, stop people filming them (which is an American constitutional right) and openly attack peaceful protesters with year gas and rubber bullets.

I think it says a lot about Geekhack, a website that professes to be, and seems to be made up of Americans.

Unfortunately, everything you've described is pretty typical.  It happens during every single peaceful protest that I've heard of, so I'm not surprised it's happening here.

Hell, my friend got shot with a rubber bullet and thrown in a cop car for walking home during the "riots" this year in Minneapolis.  He just happened to live right in Dinkytown, so he was basically screwed.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:34:30
Al Sharpton has arrived to settle things down.  :thumb:

This all reminds me of a joke about the L.A. Riots.

Protestor: "No Justice No Peace! No Justice No Peace! No Justice No Peace!"
(Protestor makes downward hand motions, as if rummaging through something)
Protestor: "No Justice No Peace! No Justice No Peace! No Justice No Peace!"
(Protestor pauses, looks confused and slightly perturbed.)
Protestor: "... no Mediums?"

What would the proper course of action be? I don't know... peacefully protest during the day (as has been requested) and wait for the investigation to conclude? Since no one really knows what happened to the young man who was killed, doesn't it make sense to wait and find out before coming to a conclusion?

Also, some members of the community are clamoring for the name of the officer -- why does that matter? So he can be threatened?

Why is that when a black person kills another black person, there are no protests, no huge media coverage, and Al Sharpton doesn't descend from Racial Arsonist Heaven to adjudicate? Black-on-black crime is every bit as heinous and horrible and far more prevalent, but since there's no racist angle, no one cares.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Thu, 14 August 2014, 08:59:37
Al Sharpton has arrived to settle things down.  :thumb:

This all reminds me of a joke about the L.A. Riots.

Protestor: "No Justice No Peace! No Justice No Peace! No Justice No Peace!"
(Protestor makes downward hand motions, as if rummaging through something)
Protestor: "No Justice No Peace! No Justice No Peace! No Justice No Peace!"
(Protestor pauses, looks confused and slightly perturbed.)
Protestor: "... no Mediums?"

What would the proper course of action be? I don't know... peacefully protest during the day (as has been requested) and wait for the investigation to conclude? Since no one really knows what happened to the young man who was killed, doesn't it make sense to wait and find out before coming to a conclusion?

Also, some members of the community are clamoring for the name of the officer -- why does that matter? So he can be threatened?

Why is that when a black person kills another black person, there are no protests, no huge media coverage, and Al Sharpton doesn't descend from Racial Arsonist Heaven to adjudicate? Black-on-black crime is every bit as heinous and horrible and far more prevalent, but since there's no racist angle, no one cares.

Even with Al Sharpton on site (who wouldn't expect this??), the problem here is much more than a race issue. This is about a police officer murdering an unarmed kid then leaving his body uncovered for hours. This is about human rights and obvious abuse of power.

Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 14 August 2014, 09:25:34
Even with Al Sharpton on site (who wouldn't expect this??), the problem here is much more than a race issue. This is about a police officer murdering an unarmed kid then leaving his body uncovered for hours. This is about human rights and obvious abuse of power.

How do you know that? Because you know the officer was white, and the person who ended up dead was black? They're investigating the homicide. If it turns out that the officer was in the wrong, he should (and will be) punished accordingly. If it turns out that the victim was unarmed and was shot anyway, then that's a serious problem. But again, we'll have to wait to find out the actual circumstances -- nothing about the case is 'obvious' except that race-baiting makeup-less clowns like Sharpton are ready to exploit the situation.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Thu, 14 August 2014, 09:33:01
Even with Al Sharpton on site (who wouldn't expect this??), the problem here is much more than a race issue. This is about a police officer murdering an unarmed kid then leaving his body uncovered for hours. This is about human rights and obvious abuse of power.

How do you know that? Because you know the officer was white, and the person who ended up dead was black? They're investigating the homicide. If it turns out that the officer was in the wrong, he should (and will be) punished accordingly. If it turns out that the victim was unarmed and was shot anyway, then that's a serious problem. But again, we'll have to wait to find out the actual circumstances -- nothing about the case is 'obvious' except that race-baiting makeup-less clowns like Sharpton are ready to exploit the situation.

I don't know for sure but you're right :

[Police said Brown <victim>, who was unarmed, was shot multiple times Saturday after being confronted by a white officer..]

Quote was pulled from a huffpost article, a liberal outlet--take it as you will
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 14 August 2014, 09:36:30
So from what I've read...

The cops story is brown slammed the cop car door as the cop was trying to get out then brown reached in and tried to get the cops gun causing Brown to be shot in the process.

Brown's friends story is they were walking along, cops were harassing them and just shot Brown for no reason.

I have no idea where the truth is but I'd say it is between those two scenarios.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: iri on Thu, 14 August 2014, 09:37:14
Cops murdering civilians?? We are used to it here in 'murica. Sadly, not really news
Unfortunately, everything you've described is pretty typical.  It happens during every single peaceful protest that I've heard of, so I'm not surprised it's happening here.
cops murdering unarmed civilians and using tear gas on journalists is "pretty typical" and "not really news"?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 14 August 2014, 09:41:22
Cops murdering civilians?? We are used to it here in 'murica. Sadly, not really news
Unfortunately, everything you've described is pretty typical.  It happens during every single peaceful protest that I've heard of, so I'm not surprised it's happening here.
cops murdering unarmed civilians and using tear gas on journalists is "pretty typical" and "not really news"?

You gotta remember hoffman is talking about that awful gangland center called Minneapolis.

photo proof from those riots

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Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 14 August 2014, 09:41:33
So from what I've read...

The cops story is brown slammed the cop car door as the cop was trying to get out then brown reached in and tried to get the cops gun causing Brown to be shot in the process.

Brown's friends story is they were walking along, cops were harassing them and just shot Brown for no reason.

I have no idea where the truth is but I'd say it is between those two scenarios.

Well that narrows it down.

I think the best thing to do is to give the police all equipment the army dsnt need and then allow them to storm with tear gas and rubber bullets peaceful protest. Then what they should do is attack journalists reporting on the police and the protestors and ban all non police aircraft in the area.
Sounds reasonable.

Seems pretty clear that this town and America generally still has pretty large race problems, but the way the police have essentially treated it like a war zone and acted like they are invading said town is insane and makes zero sense.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 14 August 2014, 09:43:31
So from what I've read...

The cops story is brown slammed the cop car door as the cop was trying to get out then brown reached in and tried to get the cops gun causing Brown to be shot in the process.

Brown's friends story is they were walking along, cops were harassing them and just shot Brown for no reason.

I have no idea where the truth is but I'd say it is between those two scenarios.

Well that narrows it down.

I think the best thing to do is to give the police all equipment the army dsnt need and then allow them to storm with tear gas and rubber bullets peaceful protest. Then what they should do is attack journalists reporting on the police and the protestors and ban all non police aircraft in the area.
Sounds reasonable.

Seems pretty clear that this town and America generally still has pretty large race problems, but the way the police have essentially treated it like a war zone and acted like they are invading said town is insane and makes zero sense.

I blame the president. But he's black so that must be racist. :/

Also I'm not disagreeing the entire government system is screwed up.

And if the news headline would have been 'Local resident shoots police officer dead.', would anybody have even noticed or cared?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:00:16
So from what I've read...

The cops story is brown slammed the cop car door as the cop was trying to get out then brown reached in and tried to get the cops gun causing Brown to be shot in the process.

Brown's friends story is they were walking along, cops were harassing them and just shot Brown for no reason.

I have no idea where the truth is but I'd say it is between those two scenarios.

Well that narrows it down.

I think the best thing to do is to give the police all equipment the army dsnt need and then allow them to storm with tear gas and rubber bullets peaceful protest. Then what they should do is attack journalists reporting on the police and the protestors and ban all non police aircraft in the area.
Sounds reasonable.

Seems pretty clear that this town and America generally still has pretty large race problems, but the way the police have essentially treated it like a war zone and acted like they are invading said town is insane and makes zero sense.

I blame the president. But he's black so that must be racist. :/

Also I'm not disagreeing the entire government system is screwed up.

And if the news headline would have been 'Local resident shoots police officer dead.', would anybody have even noticed or cared?

You been read the stats that have been posted on news sites? I think I read on the Huffington Post (?) that in the last year 90%~ of stop and searches where on black people (in a community of a 60-40 black-white split) and of those people stopped only 20%~ where then arrested, compared with the 10%~ of whites that where stopped 30%~ where arrested.

Obviously stats can be manipulated to make a point but with so many American news outlets focusing on those kinds of figures and with the people protesting there is definitely an issue, even if its just perceivement.

And if the news headline would have been 'Local resident shoots police officer dead.', would anybody have even noticed or cared?

...I'd say probably...
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:03:56
Here is what I don't get about riots.  Somebody gets shot and killed, and they happen to be different races.  The victim was unarmed.  A bad situation, no matter how you look at.  Some individuals made some poor decisions and there is more to the story than what will be revealed by the witnesses.

So the pissed off people decide to start looting businesses, setting stuff on fire, and generally destroying stuff.  I know they are mad about the injustice, but why does their anger have to evolve into theft and destruction of other people's property?  How does the shooting of an unarmed teen justify ruining the lives of people you never met?  What does that solve?

The media doesn't help.  They just fuel the fire by not reporting all the information.





Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:05:09
Cops murdering civilians?? We are used to it here in 'murica. Sadly, not really news
Unfortunately, everything you've described is pretty typical.  It happens during every single peaceful protest that I've heard of, so I'm not surprised it's happening here.
cops murdering unarmed civilians and using tear gas on journalists is "pretty typical" and "not really news"?

Across the whole of the country, yes.  However, if a cop murdered an unarmed civilian where I am, it would be huge news.  But in some of the more corrupt cities, it's fairly common.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that it is pretty typical.  When I read about some horrible thing a cop does in LA (for example), I'm honestly not surprised.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:08:39
Oh yeah - there's always been race a problem. St. Louis having a particular aversion to equality -- a white/black line anyway.


I blame the president. But he's black so that must be racist. :/



Not racist but probably unfounded. He was probably playing golf somewhere anyway
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:10:13
The media doesn't help.  They just fuel the fire by not reporting all the information.

The media isn't there to help, its there to report on what is happening. After the rioting and looting (which was similar to what happened in the UK not so long ago), the Police in the area essentially banned filming and reporting of any kind which goes against one of your constitutional rights (you know, like the one that allows you to own guns that is lauded about so much) and actively arrested and attacked the media reporting.

The image I posted above is a good example of this. The Police, dressed in military gear, tear gassing Al Jazeera and then moving in with gas masks and taking there equipment apart.

Not racist but probably unfounded. He was probably playing golf somewhere anyway

Isn't he on holiday?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:12:41
Also keep in mind all of these fatty cops are mostly OFF DUTY right now. So they are making at least double time to "stand guard" and harass the general public. Taking facebook photos seems to be ok too. Tax dollars well spent by the local citizens there I must say!!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:12:44
Meanwhile in small town nowhere a white girl was killed by her white boyfriend who happened to formerly work for the cops, she was dead for hours before the cops came and they did absolutely nothing to the guy.  :-\ :-X

Also keep in mind all of these fatty cops are mostly OFF DUTY right now. So they are making at least double time to "stand guard" and harass the general public. Taking facebook photos seems to be ok too. Tax dollars well spent by the local citizens there I must say!!

Yeah did everyone notice the sneakers and jeans many of the cops had on?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:31:50
You been read the stats that have been posted on news sites? I think I read on the Huffington Post (?) that in the last year 90%~ of stop and searches where on black people (in a community of a 60-40 black-white split) and of those people stopped only 20%~ where then arrested, compared with the 10%~ of whites that where stopped 30%~ where arrested.

From here: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/family-secret-what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-bl/
Quote
Today blacks are about 13 percent of the population and continue to be responsible for an inordinate amount of crime. Between 1976 and 2005 blacks com­mitted more than half of all murders in the United States. The black arrest rate for most offenses — including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes — is still typically two to three times their representation in the population. Blacks as a group are also overrepresented among persons arrested for so-called white-collar crimes such as counterfeiting, fraud and embezzlement. And blaming this decades-long, well-documented trend on racist cops, prosecutors, judges, sentencing guidelines and drug laws doesn’t cut it as a plausible explanation.

“Even allowing for the existence of discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher rates of crime among black Americans cannot be denied,” wrote James Q. Wilson and Richard Herrnstein in their classic 1985 study, “Crime and Human Nature.” “Every study of crime using official data shows blacks to be overrepresented among persons arrested, convicted, and imprisoned for street crimes.” This was true decades before the authors put it to paper, and it remains the case decades later.

This is a cultural problem, not a racial one. In my own experience, I've seen people of color from Africa who can just barely speak English raise children that speak English, and have close to a zero percent chance of criminality. One generation and they're successful in America. What's the difference? A racist in the system cannot tell by looking if a black person was born in America or born in Africa -- and likely wouldn't care! And yet, Africans newly arrived to this country, that I know personally, seem to overcome the systemic racism. To me, the problem is cultural. African immigrants don't have the chip on their shoulder than African-Americans hoist, and they get ahead.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:35:18
sue
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:46:10
LAPD just murdered (execution style) a black dude about 2 blocks from my house also.

Dude was on the ground when the officer shot him.

Police State USA. Black man season and the pigs all have their hunting license.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:50:46
LAPD just murdered (execution style) a black dude about 2 blocks from my house also.

Dude was on the ground when the officer shot him.

Police State USA. Black man season and the pigs all have their hunting license.

Good thing you all got guns (Americans) so you can rise up if your government tries to stop your FREEDOM... oh wait no, that's not why you have guns is it... my bad...
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Thu, 14 August 2014, 10:53:45
California is sadly a nanny state when it comes to guns.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 14 August 2014, 12:14:47
https://www.facebook.com/SoutheastMissouriCopBlock (https://www.facebook.com/SoutheastMissouriCopBlock)


http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/america-is-not-for-black-people-1620169913
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 14 August 2014, 12:37:40
California is sadly a nanny state when it comes to guns.

Ah, first post I've seen from demik in awhile.  Good to have you back.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: jalaj on Thu, 14 August 2014, 12:59:40
Due to my mild dyslexia, I initially read the title as ribs in saint louis.
Clicked on the thread hoping to have some salivating, inducing discussion.
NOPE.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Thu, 14 August 2014, 13:01:59
Due to my mild dyslexia, I initially read the title as ribs in saint louis.
Clicked on the thread hoping to have some salivating, inducing discussion.
NOPE.
if only the cops threw a bbq instead of gunning down blacks and teargassing people that think that's ****ed up
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Thu, 14 August 2014, 13:11:52
https://www.facebook.com/SoutheastMissouriCopBlock (https://www.facebook.com/SoutheastMissouriCopBlock)


http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/america-is-not-for-black-people-1620169913

Wow - I hope that situation did not go down as described by the eye witnesses. wtf??????
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 14 August 2014, 13:18:01
LAPD just murdered (execution style) a black dude about 2 blocks from my house also.

Dude was on the ground when the officer shot him.

Police State USA. Black man season and the pigs all have their hunting license.

Good thing you all got guns (Americans) so you can rise up if your government tries to stop your FREEDOM... oh wait no, that's not why you have guns is it... my bad...

You seem to have some grudge against America.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: keymaster on Thu, 14 August 2014, 13:22:49
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 14 August 2014, 14:25:20
LAPD just murdered (execution style) a black dude about 2 blocks from my house also.

Dude was on the ground when the officer shot him.

Police State USA. Black man season and the pigs all have their hunting license.

Good thing you all got guns (Americans) so you can rise up if your government tries to stop your FREEDOM... oh wait no, that's not why you have guns is it... my bad...

You seem to have some grudge against America.

What makes you say that?
I think it's a pretty fair statement to make. Why else where Americans given the right to arm themselves? Isn't it what the NRA says everytime someone goes on a 'CoD induced rampage' at a school once a year?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Novus on Thu, 14 August 2014, 14:51:14
LAPD just murdered (execution style) a black dude about 2 blocks from my house also.

Dude was on the ground when the officer shot him.

Police State USA. Black man season and the pigs all have their hunting license.

Good thing you all got guns (Americans) so you can rise up if your government tries to stop your FREEDOM... oh wait no, that's not why you have guns is it... my bad...

You seem to have some grudge against America.

What makes you say that?
I think it's a pretty fair statement to make. Why else where Americans given the right to arm themselves? Isn't it what the NRA says everytime someone goes on a 'CoD induced rampage' at a school once a year?

Well okay let's be fair here.
We were given the 2nd amendment because of you guys.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 15 August 2014, 12:25:52
So anyone seen the photos from the store surveillance system that appears to show the guy who got shot robbing a place right before?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 15 August 2014, 12:44:01
So anyone seen the photos from the store surveillance system that appears to show the guy who got shot robbing a place right before?

I haven't seen any photos, but I did hear that the police made a statement (took no questions) stating that the guy who was shot and killed was a suspect in a brute force robbery.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 15 August 2014, 13:02:42
https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/500282965633810432/photo/1
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Fri, 15 August 2014, 13:04:35
Murder for a pack of cigarillos seems fair in my book. That'll teach em
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Fri, 15 August 2014, 14:05:46
Murder for a pack of cigarillos seems fair in my book. That'll teach em

If it is Brown in the video, then at least people can't claim the officer had no right to stop him -- and his defenders can't make him out as an altar boy, on his way to a bible study meeting, when he was ruthlessly gunned down by a maniac cop. Even if it is Brown, though, he didn't deserve to die for stealing a box of cigars -- he deserved to be thrown in jail.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: D01 on Fri, 15 August 2014, 14:53:43
LAPD just murdered (execution style) a black dude about 2 blocks from my house also.

Dude was on the ground when the officer shot him.

Police State USA. Black man season and the pigs all have their hunting license.

Good thing you all got guns (Americans) so you can rise up if your government tries to stop your FREEDOM... oh wait no, that's not why you have guns is it... my bad...

Your correct.  We get to have guns because the right of self protection is exactly that, a right not a privilege, and here your given that right at birth.  That's one reason anyway.

Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: iri on Fri, 15 August 2014, 15:50:17
Murder for a pack of cigarillos seems fair in my book. That'll teach em
i'd definitely kill for a pack of romeo&julieta puritos
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Fri, 15 August 2014, 15:52:00

Murder for a pack of cigarillos seems fair in my book. That'll teach em
i'd definitely kill for a pack of romeo&julieta puritos
i'd kill











if someone were attacking me with a lethal weapon
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Fri, 15 August 2014, 16:04:49
Murder for a pack of cigarillos seems fair in my book. That'll teach em
i'd definitely kill for a pack of romeo&julieta puritos

The motherland runs strong through you. I like it

Victim here had a box of swishers :/

Supposedly the trigger cop did not know at the time of the incident that the soon too be victim was a robbery suspect. From the chief

...story developing....
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 16 August 2014, 08:53:42
So anyone seen the photos from the store surveillance system that appears to show the guy who got shot robbing a place right before?

So (assuming this is all you've read) he should be killed because he robbed a store?


Some super revealing replies in this thread. Super revealing.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 16 August 2014, 09:05:09
So anyone seen the photos from the store surveillance system that appears to show the guy who got shot robbing a place right before?

So (assuming this is all you've read) he should be killed because he robbed a store?


Some super revealing replies in this thread. Super revealing.

First don't put words in my mouth.

Second the only point I was making at the moment I posted was new info was released.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 16 August 2014, 09:14:58
So anyone seen the photos from the store surveillance system that appears to show the guy who got shot robbing a place right before?

So (assuming this is all you've read) he should be killed because he robbed a store?


Some super revealing replies in this thread. Super revealing.

First don't put words in my mouth.

Second the only point I was making at the moment I posted was new info was released.

I didn't put words into your mouth I was replying to your post... Sorry if you where using sarcasm tags I clearly missed them.

I felt it was interesting and laughable that the police instead of offering apologies for the insane over-reaction and abundance of aggressive illegal activity during the protests, they tried to tarnish and label the guy that sparked it off as a criminal.

The policeman that actually killed him (I'm told) addmited that he didn't know that Brown had robbed a shop before he killed him, which makes the robbery totaly meaningless. It would be like saying that that morning Brown was rude to his mum...
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 16 August 2014, 09:17:17
Yes at the time I posted the additional info that the cops didn't even know about the robbery had not been revealed.

It seems the Ferguson police also have an awful history reading some other sources.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 16 August 2014, 09:23:54
Sorry I didn't know you where posting raw live news as it was going on. I assumed (because this is a forum and it's pretty big news, least in the US) that you where imposing (maybe that's not the right word? I'm not sure) your own opinion into your post, hence my follow up question.

I can bearly escape out-rage and opinions on twitter, Facebook and news outlets about it. Yet on a mostly American forum, a forum where talking about owning guns and knifes is wildly talked and boasted about, when such a clear breach of your fundamental American rights are not only breached but destroyed by a militant police force, no one seems to care.
When this was, or seemed to be kicking off there was more traffic in the 'post your door' thread. Which as an outsider is super interesting.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 16 August 2014, 09:35:25
I would say most are unaware of many of the the things going on out of their regional area and the phrase out of site, out of mind applies.

Most are apathetic to things unless something specifically happens to them personally.

We don't even watch the news on TV in our home because its so negative and there is so much spin anymore.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 16 August 2014, 09:42:28
I would say most are unaware of many of the the things going on out of their regional area and the phrase out of site, out of mind applies.

Most are apathetic to things unless something specifically happens to them personally.

We don't even watch the news on TV in our home because its so negative and there is so much spin anymore.


I live in the UK and literally watch zero TV (I don't have an arial) and I managed to follow it pretty easily, mostly without even doing anything lol... But that's just me I guess. But it's all good, learning about your distant cousins is always a learning experience!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: riotonthebay on Sat, 16 August 2014, 09:56:37
It's worth noting as well that America is a large country. For everything reported at a national or international scale, there are a ton of similarly heinous events that happen regionally. I sincerely care about what happened in St. Louis, but there's not exactly nothing going on in NY to steal my attention.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 16 August 2014, 09:58:37
It's worth noting as well that America is a large country. For everything reported at a national or international scale, there are a ton of similarly heinous events that happen regionally. I sincerely care about what happened in St. Louis, but there's not exactly nothing going on in NY to steal my attention.

Fair enough, there's not much happening else where (in the world) to be fair. It's the only reason I've posted so much about it....
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 16 August 2014, 09:59:44
so citizens are protecting stores n **** from looters while police use teargas on everyone


who's protecting and serving now
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sat, 16 August 2014, 10:18:08
Well it's obvious ferguson pd released the video to discredit Brown and to justify the shooting. Chief keeps saying he had to release it because he kept getting asked.. yet he kept saying no when asked to release the name of the officer that shot the kid.

Brown wasnt a suspect until after he was dead. PD is already getting their defense ready.

Oh, LAPD also recently killed a hispanic dude near me. Beat him to death. Beat him so bad one of the pigs broke his own hand.

Ferguson also beat a dude prior to Brown shooting and charged him with destruction of property because he bled on their uniform.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 16 August 2014, 10:22:24

Oh, LAPD also recently killed a hispanic dude near me. Beat him to death. Beat him so bad one of the pigs broke his own hand.
yeah i heard about that
a clean, happy family man with a big family and no dodgy records whatsoever tried walking around cops that approached him on the street asking for his license n **** on the spot
he didn't even get around them before he was on the ground
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 16 August 2014, 10:54:00

Ferguson also beat a dude prior to Brown shooting and charged him with destruction of property because he bled on their uniform.

I was reading about that yesterday just messed up.

That guy just happened to have the same name as someone with an outstanding warrant, pulled off the interstate to let the rain stop and ended up thrown in jail then beaten by ~4 or 5 officers for no reason, they had rush him to hospital he had a concussive.

The officer who filed the report about the blood on the uniform admitted there was none under deposition.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: iri on Sat, 16 August 2014, 13:18:34
so citizens are protecting stores n **** from looters
same **** in LA in 1992
same **** in NO in 2005
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: keymaster on Sat, 16 August 2014, 14:28:57
http://rt.com/usa/180780-ferguson-protests-looting-stores/

>The same store Brown was accused of robbing was looted by protesters later Friday, together with several other shops. However, Jackson said that no arrests were made.

>Store owners reportedly started arming up as police did not interfere while their businesses were being looted.

LA Riots all over again.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: sleepy916 on Sat, 16 August 2014, 15:08:42
http://rt.com/usa/180780-ferguson-protests-looting-stores/

>The same store Brown was accused of robbing was looted by protesters later Friday, together with several other shops. However, Jackson said that no arrests were made.

>Store owners reportedly started arming up as police did not interfere while their businesses were being looted.

LA Riots all over again.

It seems if the police actually tried to stop it, the commentary would be the police are using too much force on these looters.

But since they decided not to interfere then the police aren't serving and protecting anymore. I really do hope the truth comes out after the investigation. It's sad that a life was lost when maybe it didn't have to be.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sun, 17 August 2014, 13:54:22
So now the feds are demanding a second autopsy by a federal examiner.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: PointyFox on Sun, 17 August 2014, 14:24:01
The police need to do some more shooting in that area.  Every one of them shouting "kill the police" should have been locked up already.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 17 August 2014, 22:41:19
Just saw a tweet where a police pointed a gun at a lifestream reporter and asking him to GTFO before he shoot him!

WTF? My image of America as a land that people all over the world want to move into, is forever tarnished by this!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sun, 17 August 2014, 22:48:45
The police need to do some more shooting in that area.  Every one of them shouting "kill the police" should have been locked up already.

It's sad how much of an idiot you can be.

Just saw a tweet where a police pointed a gun at a lifestream reporter and asking him to GTFO before he shoot him!

WTF? My image of America as a land that people all over the world want to move into, is forever tarnished by this!

You can thank the militarization of police and police unions.

Cops get war grade guns/vehicles and think they're soldiers. They step over the line, but are protected by police unions.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 17 August 2014, 22:52:40
baldgye is right though - I also thought that there would be a huge outrage and mega discussion in this thread but it seems pretty quiet. This can't be your run-of-the-mill riot in the USA! Twitter is definitely ablaze!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 17 August 2014, 23:46:56
Just saw a tweet where a police pointed a gun at a lifestream reporter and asking him to GTFO before he shoot him!

WTF? My image of America as a land that people all over the world want to move into, is forever tarnished by this!

You can thank the militarization of police and police unions.

Cops get war grade guns/vehicles and think they're soldiers. They step over the line, but are protected by police unions.

Yep.

That said, don't be afraid of the entire country because of this.  In my experience, there are pockets that are bad, like this, and some places are perfectly fine.  Remember that the USA is a huge country and what might be a problem in one portion can be quite far away geographically.  That doesn't make it any less of a problem, but it does mean that it's not an immediate threat to you.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: katushkin on Mon, 18 August 2014, 00:19:36
What you also have to think is of the situation the police are in right now. Disregard the fact a kid was killed, disregard the race issues for now.

They are under massive pressure. The whole world is watching. For some reason, the US Government has thought it would be a great idea to give police departments surplus military gear such as MTP helmets, rifles, APCs etc. Police don't need this ****. Police don't WANT this ****. Who is going to need a camo helmet/pants in the middle of a city? They are probably all pulling double if not triple shifts to provide the amount of manpower the Governor wants on the streets right now. Anything and everything they do is being scrutinized by the international media, and by their own command structure.

They are also fearing for their lives. Yes, an unarmed kid was killed. But riots are a whole nother kettle of fish. They are unpredictable, and absolutely anything can happen. You can get singled out and dragged away, you can get set on ****ing fire, and some people in St. Louis have actually said they want to go out and kill police officers. You are up against an unknown number of people who can come at you from an infinite amount of directions, with unknown weapons, dressed in anything. Someone has a camera? So what? They could also have a gun. You aren't going to shoot them, but you want them as far away as possible so they don't pose a threat and they don't get in your way. The only people you can trust in those kinds of situations are your buddies next to you, and I would tell everybody to back the **** off who wasn't a police officer if I was in that situation.

If that was you, would you not be on edge?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 18 August 2014, 01:06:06
Couple of my friends got tear gassed today.. crazy sh*t going on over in Ferguson.. I went to high school there!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 18 August 2014, 01:16:28
For the most part calling the situation in Ferguson a riot is WAY OFF.  Things are generally very peaceful, people literally holding hands, singing, and marching around together.  There have been a handful of shops looted, everyone arrested for looting has been from outside of Ferguson (a relatively middle class suburb just outside of Saint Louis city itself).

THIS is what it looks like until it starts to get dark and people from out of town start stirring **** up again.. (minus the soundtrack, lol).  One of my friends is the woman walking down the street making peace signs with her hands at 1:11.


Tons of information is available about what has been happening.. Tim Pool has been live streaming a lot of information for vice news, and there is always the #Ferguson tag on twitter.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 18 August 2014, 01:26:28
Just saw a tweet where a police pointed a gun at a lifestream reporter and asking him to GTFO before he shoot him!

WTF? My image of America as a land that people all over the world want to move into, is forever tarnished by this!

You can thank the militarization of police and police unions.

Cops get war grade guns/vehicles and think they're soldiers. They step over the line, but are protected by police unions.

Yep.

That said, don't be afraid of the entire country because of this.  In my experience, there are pockets that are bad, like this, and some places are perfectly fine.  Remember that the USA is a huge country and what might be a problem in one portion can be quite far away geographically.  That doesn't make it any less of a problem, but it does mean that it's not an immediate threat to you.

Our entire 'justice' system has been twisted around.. cops are being trained to view the public as possible enemies and the government as the thing that needs to be protected.  Even the supreme court has ruled that police officers have no obligation to protect citizens.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 18 August 2014, 01:44:24
My wife and I ended up moving out of the city of St Louis proper a couple years ago.. I took our son out to lunch and to play.  The house was broken in to some time between 11:30am and 2pm.  I called the police.  They made sure nobody was in the house and said "well you should probably get some bars.. the crime scene unit won't come out for just a burglary so you don't have to wait to clean up, good luck!".  The neighbors not only refused to say anything to the police, they became angry at us for calling them at all.  Even the neighbors we had talked to on a fairly regular basis wanted nothing to do with us.

The house got burglarized twice more while we were working on finding a new house to buy.  Our son still worries about more bad guys coming into the house (and we don't even live in the same house now)! 
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Belfong on Mon, 18 August 2014, 02:10:33

My wife and I ended up moving out of the city of St Louis proper a couple years ago.. I took our son out to lunch and to play.  The house was broken in to some time between 11:30am and 2pm.  I called the police.  They made sure nobody was in the house and said "well you should probably get some bars.. the crime scene unit won't come out for just a burglary so you don't have to wait to clean up, good luck!".  The neighbors not only refused to say anything to the police, they became angry at us for calling them at all.  Even the neighbors we had talked to on a fairly regular basis wanted nothing to do with us.

The house got burglarized twice more while we were working on finding a new house to buy.  Our son still worries about more bad guys coming into the house (and we don't even live in the same house now)!

Sounds like a typical housing estate in Malaysia. We had to set up our own resident association and hire our own 'guards', which are not really professional or qualified guards. The police over here are too thin to be able to enforce anything and so burglary and snatch thief are pretty common. That's one thing I would hardly expect to hear from USA and it's fame police force. I guess those are just Hollywood movies huh?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 18 August 2014, 02:57:17
My wife and I ended up moving out of the city of St Louis proper a couple years ago.. I took our son out to lunch and to play.  The house was broken in to some time between 11:30am and 2pm.  I called the police.  They made sure nobody was in the house and said "well you should probably get some bars.. the crime scene unit won't come out for just a burglary so you don't have to wait to clean up, good luck!".  The neighbors not only refused to say anything to the police, they became angry at us for calling them at all.  Even the neighbors we had talked to on a fairly regular basis wanted nothing to do with us.

The house got burglarized twice more while we were working on finding a new house to buy.  Our son still worries about more bad guys coming into the house (and we don't even live in the same house now)!

Wow... I guess "To protect and serve", the old LAPD motto which has become synonymous with American police to us "overseas" people doesn't really mean what I thought it did. Police state, anyone?

In one way you could say it's the natural end result of the slow progress that's been going on there for a long time now (from an outside perspective). From trivial lawsuits and warning labels to this.

That's one thing I'm really proud of the Finnish government for, they expect people to have some common sense and to use it. And the people do. If you don't and you get hurt and try to sue someone for it, you don't get rich, just respectfully told it's your own fault and to think before you act next time. It's amazing how having a little trust in people and treating them with respect and as though they are intelligent inspires even the not-so-intelligent or respectable to actually try to be. I don't make the mistake of thinking the same policies and methods will work in other countries of different size and different culture, but I like to think it could if someone would figure out some way to implement a culture-specific version of it for their own country.

Of course, encouraging the citizenry to think for themselves and exercise judgement makes for a difficult citizenry to "control", though. But it does make us feel like we're in this together, making the country work. It develops a good kind of patriotism.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Novus on Mon, 18 August 2014, 03:41:47
NATIONAL GUARD TIME!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Mon, 18 August 2014, 04:25:56
just like
blow up the earth and put everyone out of their misery, everything here is grandiose ****ed
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Mon, 18 August 2014, 06:28:08

My wife and I ended up moving out of the city of St Louis proper a couple years ago.. I took our son out to lunch and to play.  The house was broken in to some time between 11:30am and 2pm.  I called the police.  They made sure nobody was in the house and said "well you should probably get some bars.. the crime scene unit won't come out for just a burglary so you don't have to wait to clean up, good luck!".  The neighbors not only refused to say anything to the police, they became angry at us for calling them at all.  Even the neighbors we had talked to on a fairly regular basis wanted nothing to do with us.

The house got burglarized twice more while we were working on finding a new house to buy.  Our son still worries about more bad guys coming into the house (and we don't even live in the same house now)!

Sounds like a typical housing estate in Malaysia. We had to set up our own resident association and hire our own 'guards', which are not really professional or qualified guards. The police over here are too thin to be able to enforce anything and so burglary and snatch thief are pretty common. That's one thing I would hardly expect to hear from USA and it's fame police force. I guess those are just Hollywood movies huh?

Well, no. The USA doesn't have a 'police force' -- local communities and states maintain police departments. There are communities in which the people don't want to cooperate with police, which means it doesn't really matter how many police officers you put in the field, or their level of training -- if the people in that community have a culture that does not endorse moral behavior, there's nothing that can be done besides leave the community.

They call it 'white flight' -- and it's considered racist. Really, the honorable thing to do would be to remain is a crappy neighborhood for the sake of racial harmony. Oh, and when the reverse happens (white people moving into a crappy neighborhood, and it begins to see a rise in property values) they call it 'gentrification' -- which is also racist.

There are plenty of communities in which cmadrid's family would have received proper support from their neighbors -- cooperation with the police.

What really is shocking to me is the fact that on at least one night the police simply watched someone's business and property get looted. Imagine if it was something you owned (your car, your home) and police just watched, because stopping the looters would look bad politically.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 18 August 2014, 07:19:36
There are so many conflicting 'eye-witness' stories about what really happened. I find it hard to believe the truth will come out either way in this case now.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 18 August 2014, 07:24:30
Our governor has called in the national guard now..

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28832462
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Mon, 18 August 2014, 07:29:52
Let's see the cop's dash cam
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Mon, 18 August 2014, 07:47:50
What you also have to think is of the situation the police are in right now. Disregard the fact a kid was killed, disregard the race issues for now.

They are under massive pressure. The whole world is watching. For some reason, the US Government has thought it would be a great idea to give police departments surplus military gear such as MTP helmets, rifles, APCs etc. Police don't need this ****. Police don't WANT this ****. Who is going to need a camo helmet/pants in the middle of a city? They are probably all pulling double if not triple shifts to provide the amount of manpower the Governor wants on the streets right now. Anything and everything they do is being scrutinized by the international media, and by their own command structure.

They are also fearing for their lives. Yes, an unarmed kid was killed. But riots are a whole nother kettle of fish. They are unpredictable, and absolutely anything can happen. You can get singled out and dragged away, you can get set on ****ing fire, and some people in St. Louis have actually said they want to go out and kill police officers. You are up against an unknown number of people who can come at you from an infinite amount of directions, with unknown weapons, dressed in anything. Someone has a camera? So what? They could also have a gun. You aren't going to shoot them, but you want them as far away as possible so they don't pose a threat and they don't get in your way. The only people you can trust in those kinds of situations are your buddies next to you, and I would tell everybody to back the **** off who wasn't a police officer if I was in that situation.

If that was you, would you not be on edge?

Most of these dudes have a hard on for playing soldier. They dont see themselves as public servants. Their mentality is us vs. them. The "few bad apples" are really starting to over take the so-called good cops.

Quote
Wow... I guess "To protect and serve", the old LAPD motto which has become synonymous with American police to us "overseas" people doesn't really mean what I thought it did. Police state, anyone?

Thats the thing, cops arent here for us anymore. They are law enforcement officers. Not protectors of citizens. Couple of years ago, a guy was attacked on an NYC subway. Cops came and did nothing but hide behind a door, in plain sight of the attack. Once the victim had taken control of the situation did they step in. The man sued the city and nypd and the judge basically told him tough luck. Ruled it that cops have no obligation to protect citizens.

This is our police now.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 00:40:38
Let's see the cop's dash cam
Not required to have one where he was, could have cleared this whole thing up if they made that **** mandatory. Though knowing law enforcement, the camera probably "would have been off" or "not functional". The media's constant race baiting is only adding fuel to this fire
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 19 August 2014, 03:15:34
Some of the pictures coming out are quite amazing. Police escorting amnesty international at gunpoint is a highlight. Another being Fox News debating 'Race in America' and all the people discussing it are white.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 04:23:53
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/hedy-epstein-arrested-ferguson-holocaust-_n_5689822.html

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvWocP6IAAEVd5Y.jpg)

Hedy Epstein, 90-Year-Old Holocaust Survivor, Arrested During Michael Brown Protest
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: iri on Tue, 19 August 2014, 04:45:32
she must have had a deja vu.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 19 August 2014, 05:11:35
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/hedy-epstein-arrested-ferguson-holocaust-_n_5689822.html

Show Image
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvWocP6IAAEVd5Y.jpg)


Hedy Epstein, 90-Year-Old Holocaust Survivor, Arrested During Michael Brown Protest

At least in America she is free-
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: iri on Tue, 19 August 2014, 05:34:34
In America, you are free even when handcuffed in the back.

(http://dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/america.jpg)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 06:34:26
Some of the stories out of Ferguson say that protestors helped to protect businesses targeted by looters -- when police were ordered to stand down and let it all happen. A lot of these looters, supposedly, are from nearby neighborhoods and have nothing to do with the protestors.

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How does looting have anything to do with justice?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 06:40:20
Some of the stories out of Ferguson say that protestors helped to protect businesses targeted by looters -- when police were ordered to stand down and let it all happen. A lot of these looters, supposedly, are from nearby neighborhoods and have nothing to do with the protestors.

(Attachment Link)

How does looting have anything to do with justice?
The media has kinda blown the looting thing out of proportion. But yes, most of them are just delinquents from neighboring towns looking to capitalize on the chaos
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: iri on Tue, 19 August 2014, 07:04:45
prepare your tinfoil hats.

(https://pp.vk.me/c617123/v617123462/1538a/DwtkkcjQmp8.jpg)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 07:10:51
prepare your tinfoil hats.

Show Image
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Clearly legit, who else would be wearing a suit coat and tie in that crowd. I just really hope nothing goes nuclear because I'm not that far away from there.

Here's another very, very legit picture

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Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Tue, 19 August 2014, 07:11:09
prepare your tinfoil hats.

Show Image
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Iri

That is just edward norton circled in red on the left lol
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 19 August 2014, 07:26:20
according to US police:
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Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 07:53:01
according to US police:
(Attachment Link)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

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According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.

The sad truth is that if a black person kills another black person (which apparently is very common), black people in general (and the media in particular) don't really give a ****. The media cares only if its a white shooter, because then they get to indulge in their favorite bull**** narrative about 'race in America'. This whole thing is just a racket.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 19 August 2014, 08:00:34
according to US police:
(Attachment Link)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

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According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.

The sad truth is that if a black person kills another black person (which apparently is very common), black people in general (and the media in particular) don't really give a ****. The media cares only if its a white shooter, because then they get to indulge in their favorite bull**** narrative about 'race in America'. This whole thing is just a racket.
and a flip, and a flop- OOOOHH WIPEOUT
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 08:31:09
Lol
Some of the stories out of Ferguson say that protestors helped to protect businesses targeted by looters -- when police were ordered to stand down and let it all happen. A lot of these looters, supposedly, are from nearby neighborhoods and have nothing to do with the protestors.

(Attachment Link)

How does looting have anything to do with justice?
The media has kinda blown the looting thing out of proportion. But yes, most of them are just delinquents from neighboring towns looking to capitalize on the chaos

Why this is such a foreign concept for some blows my mind.

People taking advantage of chaos to loot is nothing new.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 10:39:11
More than a dozen witnesses corroborate cops story: https://twitter.com/ChristineDByers/statuses/501556693382094848

Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 10:42:03
More than a dozen witnesses corroborate cops story: https://twitter.com/ChristineDByers/statuses/501556693382094848 (https://twitter.com/ChristineDByers/statuses/501556693382094848)



Krog shut up, quit being racists.  ::)

Just like the conversation accidentally recorded right after it happened that corroborated the cops story.

Honestly it doesn't matter what happened at this point or what the truth is, nobody cares about the truth.

Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 19 August 2014, 10:46:11
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 10:58:17
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Are they doing it at night while burning anything down?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:04:10
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Cop apologists.

Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:07:57
according to US police:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

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According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.

The sad truth is that if a black person kills another black person (which apparently is very common), black people in general (and the media in particular) don't really give a ****. The media cares only if its a white shooter, because then they get to indulge in their favorite bull**** narrative about 'race in America'. This whole thing is just a racket.

Isn't race just part of the issue? Isn't the bigger problem the fact that, not only did a policeman shoot and unarmed man and killed him, but the police then went full 1984 on the town and actively attacked and shutdown any attempt to report the situation?

Given that towns seeming local issues with race and discrimination the protesting seems perfectly legitimate, the polices response however wasn't as they happily broke laws they are suppose to protect, wasn't.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:09:05
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:10:55
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Cop apologists.

Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.
It's gotten to a point where the mainstream media have become just as big of offenders when it comes to race-baiting as people like al sharpton and jesse jackson. "Wait, what's this? He wore basketball jerseys? Probably some kind of gangbanger delinquent"
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:11:55
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.

Why not just get rid of police everywhere that seems to be a much better solution.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:12:49
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.

Why not just get rid of police everywhere that seems to be a much better solution.

And then replace them with the army! Oh wait...
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:13:26
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.

Why not just get rid of police everywhere that seems to be a much better solution.

Great idea there! Let's replace the police with robots that run Windows 98.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:13:46
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.

Why not just get rid of police everywhere that seems to be a much better solution.
Or don't give them access to ****ing military equipment. Politicians seem to be against militarizing police now, but a few months ago when a bill was introduced the lessen their access to military grade equipment they pretty much unanimously shot it down
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:15:20
I think Ferguson should probably be considered end of life too.. End of support for Ferguson effectively immediately.

Every Windows product town has a lifecycle. The lifecycle begins when a product is released a town is formed and ends when it's no longer supported. Knowing key dates in this lifecycle helps you make informed decisions about when to upgrade or make other changes to your software town.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:16:27
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.

Why not just get rid of police everywhere that seems to be a much better solution.
Or don't give them access to ****ing military equipment. Politicians seem to be against militarizing police now, but a few months ago when a bill was introduced the lessen their access to military grade equipment they pretty much unanimously shot it down

Again politicians do whatever they think makes them look better, no right, no wrong, no concern for anything other than keeping up appearances.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:17:34
I think Ferguson should probably be considered end of life too.. End of support for Ferguson effectively immediately.

Every Windows product town has a lifecycle. The lifecycle begins when a product is released a town is formed and ends when it's no longer supported. Knowing key dates in this lifecycle helps you make informed decisions about when to upgrade or make other changes to your software town.

The saddest part is, a lot of the places around st. louis have a bad enough reputation as it is......this is not helping anything.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:19:20
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.

Why not just get rid of police everywhere that seems to be a much better solution.
Or don't give them access to ****ing military equipment. Politicians seem to be against militarizing police now, but a few months ago when a bill was introduced the lessen their access to military grade equipment they pretty much unanimously shot it down

Again politicians do whatever they think makes them look better, no right, no wrong, no concern for anything other than keeping up appearances.

How does giving local police forces military grade equipment make anyone look good?? The only reason the US has this problem (so predominately) is because of it's insane and long standing military budget
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:19:23
I live in St Louis (south St Louis county area)  I went to high school IN Ferguson.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:22:14
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.

Why not just get rid of police everywhere that seems to be a much better solution.
Or don't give them access to ****ing military equipment. Politicians seem to be against militarizing police now, but a few months ago when a bill was introduced the lessen their access to military grade equipment they pretty much unanimously shot it down

Again politicians do whatever they think makes them look better, no right, no wrong, no concern for anything other than keeping up appearances.

How does giving local police forces military grade equipment make anyone look good?? The only reason the US has this problem (so predominately) is because of it's insane and long standing military budget
It's because congress is filled with old, white guys who get hard-ons from bigass militaries and guns, and back then no one gave enough of a **** to notice
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:22:16
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.

Why not just get rid of police everywhere that seems to be a much better solution.
Or don't give them access to ****ing military equipment. Politicians seem to be against militarizing police now, but a few months ago when a bill was introduced the lessen their access to military grade equipment they pretty much unanimously shot it down

Again politicians do whatever they think makes them look better, no right, no wrong, no concern for anything other than keeping up appearances.

How does giving local police forces military grade equipment make anyone look good?? The only reason the US has this problem (so predominately) is because of it's insane and long standing military budget

Well at the time it made them look good because they were not wasting all the money in defense spending as you pointed out but instead 'helping' out the local police departments, even though they really were not helping them.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:22:23
A few of my friends have been tear gassed while peacefully protesting in Ferguson, a few arrested.  Everyone I know that has actually BEEN in Ferguson tells a completely different story than how that told by the majority of news outlets.  The scope of douchebags looting stores has been blown way out of proportion, and almost everyone arrested for doing so has been from outside of the Ferguson community.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:23:43
A few of my friends have been tear gassed while peacefully protesting in Ferguson, a few arrested.  Everyone I know that has actually BEEN in Ferguson tells a completely different story than how that told by the majority of news outlets.  The scope of douchebags looting stores has been blown way out of proportion, and almost everyone arrested for doing so has been from outside of the Ferguson community.

So do folks on the ground agree that the police went way overboard?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:23:58
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Cop apologists.

Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.
It's gotten to a point where the mainstream media have become just as big of offenders when it comes to race-baiting as people like al sharpton and jesse jackson. "Wait, what's this? He wore basketball jerseys? Probably some kind of gangbanger delinquent"
US media is the biggest scum of the earth. Left or right, all they do is pander to idiots for views.

IMO the militarization(sp) of the police is the key issue here. Race second. The way the local PD has responded is incredibly sad. And it has become the norm. Look at how many people have died during swat raiding the wrong houses and then taking no responsibility.
I think the police department in Fergusen needs to be disbanded and abolished.

Why not just get rid of police everywhere that seems to be a much better solution.

And then replace them with the army! Oh wait...

And then you wonder why people ask why you have a chip on your shoulder.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:23:59
A few of my friends have been tear gassed while peacefully protesting in Ferguson, a few arrested.  Everyone I know that has actually BEEN in Ferguson tells a completely different story than how that told by the majority of news outlets.  The scope of douchebags looting stores has been blown way out of proportion, and almost everyone arrested for doing so has been from outside of the Ferguson community.
just a bunch of random people trying to get in on the chaos, but the media sees it as another opportunity for more ratings
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:25:22
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Are they doing it at night while burning anything down?

Are these cop-supporting protestors wearing masks?

REPORTER to LOOTER: "Why are you looting and setting buildings on fire?"
LOOTER: "TO PROTEST VIOLENCE!!!!"

Makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:25:43
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Cop apologists.

Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.
It's gotten to a point where the mainstream media have become just as big of offenders when it comes to race-baiting as people like al sharpton and jesse jackson. "Wait, what's this? He wore basketball jerseys? Probably some kind of gangbanger delinquent"
US media is the biggest scum of the earth. Left or right, all they do is pander to idiots for views.
That's why we have BBC and Al Jazeera
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:25:44
A few of my friends have been tear gassed while peacefully protesting in Ferguson, a few arrested.  Everyone I know that has actually BEEN in Ferguson tells a completely different story than how that told by the majority of news outlets.  The scope of douchebags looting stores has been blown way out of proportion, and almost everyone arrested for doing so has been from outside of the Ferguson community.

So do folks on the ground agree that the police went way overboard?

Couldn't you work that out by the pictures that have been taken of police gassing and then dismantling al jazeraahs camera equipment (among many other similar images)?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:26:29
A few of my friends have been tear gassed while peacefully protesting in Ferguson, a few arrested.  Everyone I know that has actually BEEN in Ferguson tells a completely different story than how that told by the majority of news outlets.  The scope of douchebags looting stores has been blown way out of proportion, and almost everyone arrested for doing so has been from outside of the Ferguson community.

So do folks on the ground agree that the police went way overboard?

Yes, the cops went overboard..  which encouraged *******s from 'out of town' to show up and go even more overboard, which got a bunch of scumbag media to show up and also go overboard..  Don't get me wrong, not everyone that has gone to Ferguson is there for the wrong reason, but all of the 'hype' has certainly made things worse.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:27:02
US media is the biggest scum of the earth. Left or right, all they do is pander to idiots for views.

IMO the militarization(sp) of the police is the key issue here. Race second. The way the local PD has responded is incredibly sad. And it has become the norm. Look at how many people have died during swat raiding the wrong houses and then taking no responsibility.

^^ This completely. There are entirely too many 'accidents' from raiding the wrong house and 'news' has turned into a sucky reality show.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:27:07
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Cop apologists.

Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.
It's gotten to a point where the mainstream media have become just as big of offenders when it comes to race-baiting as people like al sharpton and jesse jackson. "Wait, what's this? He wore basketball jerseys? Probably some kind of gangbanger delinquent"
US media is the biggest scum of the earth. Left or right, all they do is pander to idiots for views.
That's why we have BBC and Al Jazeera
Not if the PD have anything to do with it!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:27:31
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Are they doing it at night while burning anything down?

Are these cop-supporting protestors wearing masks?

REPORTER to LOOTER: "Why are you looting and setting buildings on fire?"
LOOTER: "TO PROTEST VIOLENCE!!!!"

Makes perfect sense.
Pretty sure we've established that almost none of the people involved in those isolated incidents had anything to do with the actual peaceful protest
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:27:36
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Are they doing it at night while burning anything down?

Are these cop-supporting protestors wearing masks?

REPORTER to LOOTER: "Why are you looting and setting buildings on fire?"
LOOTER: "TO PROTEST VIOLENCE!!!!"

Makes perfect sense.

You appear to be a grade A moron
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:28:24
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Cop apologists.

Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.
It's gotten to a point where the mainstream media have become just as big of offenders when it comes to race-baiting as people like al sharpton and jesse jackson. "Wait, what's this? He wore basketball jerseys? Probably some kind of gangbanger delinquent"
US media is the biggest scum of the earth. Left or right, all they do is pander to idiots for views.
That's why we have BBC and Al Jazeera
Not if the PD have anything to do with it!
lol just wait
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:28:54
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Are they doing it at night while burning anything down?

Are these cop-supporting protestors wearing masks?

REPORTER to LOOTER: "Why are you looting and setting buildings on fire?"
LOOTER: "TO PROTEST VIOLENCE!!!!"

Makes perfect sense.

You appear to be a grade A moron
And fighting a very lost battle
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:29:34
The BBC's reporting on the issue has actually been pretty terrible. For the first few days almost nothing was reported on there website or mobile app (I don't watch TV).
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:29:39
US media is the biggest scum of the earth. Left or right, all they do is pander to idiots for views.

IMO the militarization(sp) of the police is the key issue here. Race second. The way the local PD has responded is incredibly sad. And it has become the norm. Look at how many people have died during swat raiding the wrong houses and then taking no responsibility.

^^ This completely. There are entirely too many 'accidents' from raiding the wrong house and 'news' has turned into a sucky reality show.

100% agree.. the "mainstream media" seems to be pretty worthless if you need more than a weather forecast, traffic report, or a sporting event score.. and all of those are easily obtained elsewhere too
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:30:18
Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.

DEMIK. STAHP.

Seriously, stop agreeing with me, it's very disconcerting.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:30:53
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Are they doing it at night while burning anything down?
*bull*****
wow
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:31:13
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Are they doing it at night while burning anything down?

Are these cop-supporting protestors wearing masks?

REPORTER to LOOTER: "Why are you looting and setting buildings on fire?"
LOOTER: "TO PROTEST VIOLENCE!!!!"

Makes perfect sense.

You appear to be a grade A moron

You seem to be living in a great neighborhood!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:33:00
Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.

DEMIK. STAHP.

Seriously, stop agreeing with me, it's very disconcerting.

Like you are any better than he is.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:33:06
Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.

DEMIK. STAHP.

Seriously, stop agreeing with me, it's very disconcerting.
Well I think everyone here agrees that Al Sharpton is just about as racist as your garden-variety neo-nazi
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:33:41
Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.

DEMIK. STAHP.

Seriously, stop agreeing with me, it's very disconcerting.

Like you are any better than he is.

It's okay, I think you're a racist too.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:36:27
Worst part about this?

Al Sharpton. He is no different than racists. Thrives on making everything a racial issue because without it he is irrelevant.

DEMIK. STAHP.

Seriously, stop agreeing with me, it's very disconcerting.

Like you are any better than he is.

It's okay, I think you're a racist too.

Well cops arent a race so nah.

But man, you sure hate them african americans.

Please, continue bringing up irrelevant facts.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:36:42
Well I think everyone here agrees that Al Sharpton is just about as racist as your garden-variety neo-nazi

OBAMA HUGS NAZI.
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There's real love there, you can see it.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:46:11
But man, you sure hate them african americans.

No, I don't hate African-Americans. They have my sympathy -- men like Al Sharpton have foisted a poisonous culture on them, and it holds them back. Africans freshly arrived to the U.S. tend to excel -- why? They don't have racist chips on their shoulders.

Quote from: demik
Please, continue bringing up irrelevant relevant facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Quote
According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.

African-Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime, considering their percentage of the population. They also tend to be the victims in these cases. What is the black community doing about it? How many young black men die in Chicago on a weekend? Why don't those murders ignite this kind of firestorm? Because those murders underline a fact that no one wants to confront.

If the entire police force in Ferguson were reconstituted with exclusively black police officers, and every member of it's government were replaced by black politicians -- you'd have Detroit, or something very similar.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:46:58
btw there's a bunch of white people on the cop's side that look just like you'd expect protesting against the protesters, not heard anything about them being shot or teargassed

Are they doing it at night while burning anything down?

Are these cop-supporting protestors wearing masks?

REPORTER to LOOTER: "Why are you looting and setting buildings on fire?"
LOOTER: "TO PROTEST VIOLENCE!!!!"

Makes perfect sense.

You appear to be a grade A moron

You seem to be living in a great neighborhood!  :thumb:

I don't live in Ferguson, but prior to this madness I wouldn't have had a problem with the idea.  Ferguson is in north St Louis county, on the opposite side of the city from where my family lives now.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:50:46
Honestly does anyone see a benefit in the President sending the Attorney general to Ferguson? I mean, seriously...what's he going to do?

Also from a news story

Quote
Agitators came from across the country, Johnson said, and among more than 30 arrested were people from New York and California.
  :p
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:52:04
But man, you sure hate them african americans.

No, I don't hate African-Americans. They have my sympathy -- men like Al Sharpton have foisted a poisonous culture on them, and it holds them back. Africans freshly arrived to the U.S. tend to excel -- why? They don't have racist chips on their shoulders.

Quote from: demik
Please, continue bringing up irrelevant relevant facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

Quote
According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.

African-Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime, considering their percentage of the population. They also tend to be the victims in these cases. What is the black community doing about it? How many young black men die in Chicago on a weekend? Why don't those murders ignite this kind of firestorm? Because those murders underline a fact that no one wants to confront.

If the entire police force in Ferguson were reconstituted with exclusively black police officers, and every member of it's government were replaced by black politicians -- you'd have Detroit, or something very similar.

You can thank the 'War on Drugs' for the majority of violent crime in general, and the destruction of poor communities around the world..
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:55:36
Anything called "War on..." is just an excuse to waste money.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 11:55:52
Anything called "War on..." is just an excuse to waste money.

at best
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:00:17
Honestly does anyone see a benefit in the President sending the Attorney general to Ferguson? I mean, seriously...what's he going to do?

Well, Ray, it sends a clear message to everyone: "WHITE POLICE OFFICERS AND CORONERS CAN'T BE TRUSTED."

Which is a really good message to be sending right now. (sarcasm) Again, when (not if) a 2-year-old African-American child is killed by a stray bullet fired by a Blood or Crips gang member, they don't send the Attorney General of the United States to investigate. Why? Because that kind of murder doesn't fit into the sick, racist kabuki theater narrative. White liberals and some African Americans crave this kind of story -- and ignore others completely.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:02:17
Honestly does anyone see a benefit in the President sending the Attorney general to Ferguson? I mean, seriously...what's he going to do?

Well, Ray, it sends a clear message to everyone: "WHITE POLICE OFFICERS AND CORONERS CAN'T BE TRUSTED."

Which is a really good message to be sending right now. (sarcasm) Again, when (not if) a 2-year-old African-American child is killed by a stray bullet fired by a Blood or Crips gang member, they don't send the Attorney General of the United States to investigate. Why? Because that kind of murder doesn't fit into the sick, racist kabuki theater narrative. White liberals and some African Americans crave this kind of story -- and ignore others completely.

Everybody completely ignores Chicago

http://homicides.redeyechicago.com/date/2014/8/
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:03:54
al sharpton is an ambulance chaser for black ppl. did you grow up in ny in the 80's and 90's? if you did then this idiot was always in the daily news (newspaper). if there was a "black crime" he'd be the first on scene, to cause a scene.

It didn't become about black rights at that point, it became about "what did al sharpton say"

he was annoying forever when ed kotch was mayor, then when dinkins became mayor, nothing. it was serene! al sharpton wasn't around to cause trouble. (side note, one of grade school accomplishments is getting my sidewalk trash picked up on time with a letter from mayor dinkins, this was probably the time when the mob controlled WM/ waste mangement and the subject of all those mob movies, and stuff like sopranos)  his stupid marches caused terror in my neighborhood when i was 10. ppl were told to stay in their homes so this idiot can get publicity and walk really really really slowly.

this idiot causes more trouble than tries to solve the solution, just to elevate his status, which i guess worked in the end, since our idiot president likes him.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:04:13
Chicago is in such a sad state. Needless killing all the ****ing time. And over what? Nothing but ignorance.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:04:25
Anything called "War on..." is just an excuse to waste money.

How about the 'War on Poverty'? -- Johnson started it fifty years ago this year.
Guess what? Poverty Won.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:11:38
Is winning.

Which leads to stuff like chicago.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:12:01
LOCK THREAD PLZ
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:12:16
Anything called "War on..." is just an excuse to waste money.

How about the 'War on Poverty'? -- Johnson started it fifty years ago this year.
Guess what? Poverty Won.

Direct government involvement makes almost everything worse.. lol
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:12:46
LOCK THREAD PLZ

Lock thread why?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:14:11
LOCK THREAD PLZ

Go away, adults are having a conversation. :P
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:14:15
Anything called "War on..." is just an excuse to waste money.

How about the 'War on Poverty'? -- Johnson started it fifty years ago this year.
Guess what? Poverty Won.

Direct government involvement makes almost everything worse.. lol

When the government only has corporations interests in mind is when everything gets ruined.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:18:15
Anything called "War on..." is just an excuse to waste money.

How about the 'War on Poverty'? -- Johnson started it fifty years ago this year.
Guess what? Poverty Won.

Direct government involvement makes almost everything worse.. lol

When the government only has corporations interests in mind is when everything gets ruined.

This is why you don't give the government power :o
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:21:39
Anything called "War on..." is just an excuse to waste money.

How about the 'War on Poverty'? -- Johnson started it fifty years ago this year.
Guess what? Poverty Won.

Direct government involvement makes almost everything worse.. lol

When the government only has corporations interests in mind is when everything gets ruined.

This is why you don't give the government power :o
Or hold them accountable when they are bribed.

I mean, lobbied.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:34:26
are we still talking about this thug michael brown? it's confirmed the officer has facial fractures from being assaulted by brown.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

so here's how it starts:
brown and thug friend steal from this store
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/brown-robbery-stroe.jpg)

unfortunately that store along with many others have been looted
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140816114147-01-ferguson-0816-horizontal-gallery.jpg)

brown and thug friend proceed to walk in the street, you know where cars usually drive on...

officer darren wilson is like "yo get off the streets!"

brown is like "f you! imma grab yo gun!!!"

the gun fires!

brown and thug friend "OMGS, time to run, cuz you know we likes to run"

cop gets out, tells them to freeze.

brown turns around, all 280lb of him gives him this look
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140813115937-michael-brown-graduation-c1-main.jpg)

and decided to charge the officer.

since this rhino linebacker was on a collision course with the officer he shot him in a line going up

(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/08/18/us/SUB-JP-BROWN-2/SUB-JP-BROWN-2-master495.jpg)

and then brown lies face down
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1968681/thumbs/o-MIKEBROWNDEAD-570.jpg)

then his thug friend, being a thug, cuz thats what thugs do, makes up a story,

"dam yam yo, he was executed!"

um um yea he said

"hands up, don't shoot"

who?

um brown said that, cuz you know the first thing a criminal says is hands up... thats not something the police officer would say right?

and don't shoot! cuz don't shoot me bro!

*EDIT*

hmm spoiler tag doesn't work?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:42:16
These pig's will take any reason to use their firearm
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:47:59
are we still talking about this thug michael brown? it's confirmed the officer has facial fractures from being assaulted by brown.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wilson-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/

so here's how it starts:
brown and thug friend steal from this store
Show Image
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/brown-robbery-stroe.jpg)


unfortunately that store along with many others have been looted
Show Image
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140816114147-01-ferguson-0816-horizontal-gallery.jpg)


brown and thug friend proceed to walk in the street, you know where cars usually drive on...

officer darren wilson is like "yo get off the streets!"

brown is like "f you! imma grab yo gun!!!"

the gun fires!

brown and thug friend "OMGS, time to run, cuz you know we likes to run"

cop gets out, tells them to freeze.

brown turns around, all 280lb of him gives him this look
Show Image
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140813115937-michael-brown-graduation-c1-main.jpg)


and decided to charge the officer.

since this rhino linebacker was on a collision course with the officer he shot him in a line going up

Show Image
(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/08/18/us/SUB-JP-BROWN-2/SUB-JP-BROWN-2-master495.jpg)


and then brown lies face down
Show Image
(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1968681/thumbs/o-MIKEBROWNDEAD-570.jpg)


then his thug friend, being a thug, cuz thats what thugs do, makes up a story,

"dam yam yo, he was executed!"

um um yea he said

"hands up, don't shoot"

who?

um brown said that, cuz you know the first thing a criminal says is hands up... thats not something the police officer would say right?

and don't shoot! cuz don't shoot me bro!

*EDIT*

hmm spoiler tag doesn't work?

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/

Through their attorney, the owner of the store also even dispute the claim that they or an employee called 911. They say that a customer inside the store made the call. This is pretty strange if this was indeed a “robbery”.

As well, in addition to clarifying that they never said they believed, nor identified the suspect with Michael Brown, they claimed that the St. Louis County issued the warrants for the hard drive of surveillance video Friday, based on the police claiming that Brown fit the description of the person in the video… the person who the owners and employees of the store were not even going to call the police on. Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.


http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/19/mike-brown-being-misidentified-on-social-media/14273807/

FERGUSON, Mo. - A photo purported to show slain Ferguson teen Mike Brown posing with cash and a gun is actually a picture of an Oregon murder suspect.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:54:18
sometimes people want things to be true that simply are not, this applies to both sides
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 12:55:13
Anyway, the killing of Michael Brown was a terrible thing, but not the biggest issue at hand.  The police across the country are way out of control. 
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 13:03:07
sometimes people want things to be true that simply are not, this applies to both sides

I agree.. there are many people on both sides that act as if the Mike Brown incident is cut & dry.  The events following are what truly concern me tho.. Such as, WTF is the reason the FAA set up a no fly zone over Ferguson, banning all news helicopters from flying over the area.  They have media corralled in small 'media zones', have arrested a dozen journalists (so far), and have been recorded multiple times threatening to shoot reporters.

Not to mention how terribly they've handled the crowds of people in general.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/18/from-seattle-to-ferguson-the-problem-wit

Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 13:08:43
sometimes people want things to be true that simply are not, this applies to both sides

I agree.. there are many people on both sides that act as if the Mike Brown incident is cut & dry.  The events following are what truly concern me tho.. Such as, WTF is the reason the FAA set up a no fly zone over Ferguson, banning all news helicopters from flying over the area.  They have media corralled in small 'media zones', have arrested a dozen journalists (so far), and have been recorded multiple times threatening to shoot reporters.

Not to mention how terribly they've handled the crowds of people in general.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/18/from-seattle-to-ferguson-the-problem-wit



Being the devils advocate could they be trying to actually 'protect' the media? I mean...we wouldn't want any journalist to get killed or news helicopters to get shot down....
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 13:18:43
If they are protecting them, why are they destroying their equipment, tear gassing them and arresting them? Odd way to protect.


Another thing I dont understand is all this new info that is coming out. If the officer was injured as they said he was, why is there no mention of him going to the hospital or an ambulance at the scene? Why release all this info after the suppose robbery video.

Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 13:28:34
If they are protecting them, why are they destroying their equipment, tear gassing them and arresting them? Odd way to protect.


Another thing I dont understand is all this new info that is coming out. If the officer was injured as they said he was, why is there no mention of him going to the hospital or an ambulance at the scene? Why release all this info after the suppose robbery video.



Keep throwing things and see what sticks?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 13:38:15
Are there pictures of his injuries?

**** even zimmerman's mug was released.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 13:52:48
Are there pictures of his injuries?

**** even zimmerman's mug was released.

Getting punched in the face by my partner is probably the first thing I would do after this shooting if I was the officer involved..  These cops need lapel cameras, and they need to be fired if they get 'turned off' prior to an incident
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: iri on Tue, 19 August 2014, 14:18:15
please everyone, add krogenar to your ignore list.

it is very unpleasant to see three unread pages in a topic and then realize they are filled with discussion on racist comments.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 19 August 2014, 14:21:07
Are there pictures of his injuries?

**** even zimmerman's mug was released.

it's in my link

but for easiness
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cranial-.jpg)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 14:31:24
And now of his injured face.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 19 August 2014, 14:48:00
And now of his injured face.

what are you TMZ?

look the outcry shouldn't be about this case, the thug boy robbed a store, then did thug things that lead to him being shot by those that serve and protect whom
Officer Wilson received a commendation for “extraordinary effort in the line of duty” in February

we should focus on fun stuff like this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/earl-sampson-stopped-258-times_n_4326008.html
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 15:17:37
And now of his injured face.

what are you TMZ?

look the outcry shouldn't be about this case, the thug boy robbed a store, then did thug things that lead to him being shot by those that serve and protect whom
Officer Wilson received a commendation for “extraordinary effort in the line of duty” in February

we should focus on fun stuff like this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/earl-sampson-stopped-258-times_n_4326008.html

Im missing to connection with TMZ here.

I dont think I asked for anything out of the ordinary.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Tue, 19 August 2014, 15:33:40
And now of his injured face.

what are you TMZ?

look the outcry shouldn't be about this case, the thug boy robbed a store, then did thug things that lead to him being shot by those that serve and protect whom
Officer Wilson received a commendation for “extraordinary effort in the line of duty” in February

we should focus on fun stuff like this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/earl-sampson-stopped-258-times_n_4326008.html

"thug things" really???

I don't think Mr Wilson will be receiving any more rewards for merit any time soon
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 15:55:57
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/18/ferguson-pd-busted/

When the Ferguson police department released the name of Darren Wilson, they also chose to release video footage which they claimed was of Michael Brown robbing a convenience store for some cigars.

The problem is, the video shows Michael Brown at the register, paying for the cigars.


Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 15:58:32
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/18/ferguson-pd-busted/

When the Ferguson police department released the name of Darren Wilson, they also chose to release video footage which they claimed was of Michael Brown robbing a convenience store for some cigars.

The problem is, the video shows Michael Brown at the register, paying for the cigars.





You sure he wasn't robbing the place? I didn't see anybody paying for anything. And in another video it shows the clerk trying to stop them from leaving and walks out after them etc.



Another shooting ~4 miles from ferguson.....guy with a knife trying to steal some energy drinks.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:08:49
http://www.pri.org/stories/2013-12-03/iceland-grieves-after-police-kill-man-first-time-its-history

Iceland grieves after police kill a man for the first time in its history
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:10:28
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/18/ferguson-pd-busted/

When the Ferguson police department released the name of Darren Wilson, they also chose to release video footage which they claimed was of Michael Brown robbing a convenience store for some cigars.

The problem is, the video shows Michael Brown at the register, paying for the cigars.





You sure he wasn't robbing the place? I didn't see anybody paying for anything. And in another video it shows the clerk trying to stop them from leaving and walks out after them etc.



Another shooting ~4 miles from ferguson.....guy with a knife trying to steal some energy drinks.

Whatever words were exchanged between the man in the video and the store owner, they were not considered very serious, as the store owner nor the employees did not report a theft at the store. According to the stores attorney, the owners were bewildered when the police approached them demanding the surveillance tapes.

The store owners are now afraid of themselves becoming a target, due to the Ferguson PD’s attempt to tie their store to the fateful shooting.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:12:38
The store owners are now afraid of themselves becoming a target, due to the Ferguson PD’s attempt to tie their store to the fateful shooting.

I would say that is exactly why they didn't say anything to begin with.....'snitches get stitches'

What I heard was the reason the quick trip was burned was because people thought that was the store that had been robbed and wanted to destroy the evidence.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:13:48
Innocent bystander fatally shot by OPD officer last night here in Orlando

Collateral damage - really sad.

Not to take away from the current Ferguson situation-- just sayin

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-1-dead-orlando-police-shooting-vixen-20140819,0,825317.story
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:16:56
Innocent bystander fatally shot by OPD officer last night here in Orlando

Collateral damage - really sad.

Not to take away from the current Ferguson situation-- just sayin

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-1-dead-orlando-police-shooting-vixen-20140819,0,825317.story


cigar company across the street....clearly cigars must be made illegal and banned now.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:21:12
Another shooting ~4 miles from ferguson.....guy with a knife trying to steal some energy drinks.
jesus h
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:22:13
Oh and a cop in chicago was just shot and there is a potential hostage situation.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:24:08
Innocent bystander fatally shot by OPD officer last night here in Orlando

Collateral damage - really sad.

Not to take away from the current Ferguson situation-- just sayin

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-1-dead-orlando-police-shooting-vixen-20140819,0,825317.story


cigar company across the street....clearly cigars must be made illegal and banned now.

Lol

You are onto something sir.... Ill be keeping my eyes peeled
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:25:05
Innocent bystander fatally shot by OPD officer last night here in Orlando

Collateral damage - really sad.

Not to take away from the current Ferguson situation-- just sayin

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-1-dead-orlando-police-shooting-vixen-20140819,0,825317.story


cigar company across the street....clearly cigars must be made illegal and banned now.

Lol

You are onto something sir.... Ill be keeping my eyes peeled


Why do you think we banned Cuba?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:26:37
Police responded to a 911 call, and the suspect walked toward the officers' vehicle and put his hand on his waistband, pulled out a knife and held it in an "overhand" position, above his shoulder, Dotson said.
The chief said the officers got out of their vehicle and drew their weapons, telling the man to drop the knife, but he continued to advance, reportedly saying "Shoot me, kill me now."
When he got within 4 feet of one officer, both cops fired their weapons at the man, who has not yet been identified. Dotson said that witnesses described it as "suicide by cop."


Read more: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/08/ferguson-chants-heard-after-st-louis-cops-shoot-kill-suspect-yelling-shoot-me-kill-me-now--106246.html#ixzz3AsLOHxGk
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Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:28:29
Police responded to a 911 call, and the suspect walked toward the officers' vehicle and put his hand on his waistband, pulled out a knife and held it in an "overhand" position, above his shoulder, Dotson said.
The chief said the officers got out of their vehicle and drew their weapons, telling the man to drop the knife, but he continued to advance, reportedly saying "Shoot me, kill me now."
When he got within 4 feet of one officer, both cops fired their weapons at the man, who has not yet been identified. Dotson said that witnesses described it as "suicide by cop."


Read more: http://www.wjla.com/articles/2014/08/ferguson-chants-heard-after-st-louis-cops-shoot-kill-suspect-yelling-shoot-me-kill-me-now--106246.html#ixzz3AsLOHxGk
Follow us: @ABC7News on Twitter | WJLATV on Facebook

Now you have to ask yourself....did they have a taser or stun gun they could have used?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:33:10
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/lawyer-county-refuses-pay-medical-bills-toddler-hu/ng3s9/

HABERSHAM COUNTY, Ga. — Habersham County officials say they do not plan to pay for the medical expenses of a toddler seriously injured during a police raid.
The toddler was just 19-months-old and asleep in the early morning hours of May 28. SWAT officers threw the device into his home while executing a search warrant for a drug suspect.

(http://www.policestateusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Alecia-Phonesavanh-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:35:16
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/08/18/ferguson-pd-busted/

When the Ferguson police department released the name of Darren Wilson, they also chose to release video footage which they claimed was of Michael Brown robbing a convenience store for some cigars.

The problem is, the video shows Michael Brown at the register, paying for the cigars.





You sure he wasn't robbing the place? I didn't see anybody paying for anything. And in another video it shows the clerk trying to stop them from leaving and walks out after them etc.



Another shooting ~4 miles from ferguson.....guy with a knife trying to steal some energy drinks.

Whatever words were exchanged between the man in the video and the store owner, they were not considered very serious, as the store owner nor the employees did not report a theft at the store. According to the stores attorney, the owners were bewildered when the police approached them demanding the surveillance tapes.

The store owners are now afraid of themselves becoming a target, due to the Ferguson PD’s attempt to tie their store to the fateful shooting.


yes, b/c when i pay for something i reach over the counter and hand it off to my friend behind me, while my other friend is "allowed" to put items in his pocket, then i'll pay again by reaching over the counter and then i'll reach over the counter again and grab my paid for items with enough force that they fall down and drop on floor, then i'll offer some of my bought stuff to a random customer and just walk off without a bag, cuz i care about the environment.

rule 1 of being a store clerk, never let anyone reach over anything, b/c then they're stealing.

rule 2 if they steal, fck it, no use reporting it to the crappy police anyway, cuz then you have to write up reports and shiz.

source:cashier as a teen
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:39:00
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/lawyer-county-refuses-pay-medical-bills-toddler-hu/ng3s9/

HABERSHAM COUNTY, Ga. — Habersham County officials say they do not plan to pay for the medical expenses of a toddler seriously injured during a police raid.
The toddler was just 19-months-old and asleep in the early morning hours of May 28. SWAT officers threw the device into his home while executing a search warrant for a drug suspect.

Show Image
(http://www.policestateusa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Alecia-Phonesavanh-2.jpg)


I saw that when it happened....very tragic and the county board acting like they want to pay the bills but legally can't....really.....I'm sure something could be worked out.


Also ...Jesse Jackson has the answer to the problems in Ferguson.

Quote
Jackson said there is no reason why the predominantly African American city should not be represented by more black police officers, noting there are only three on the force of about 50.

"There are a group of [African American] veterans who live here who've been to Iraq,'' he said.

"They're qualified to serve in the military to defend us abroad, and they can defend their own neighborhoods at home, [so] there is no lack of qualified black policemen.

"When black and white police ride together you're more likely to have better race relations."
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:48:01
Innocent bystander fatally shot by OPD officer last night here in Orlando

Collateral damage - really sad.

Not to take away from the current Ferguson situation-- just sayin

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-1-dead-orlando-police-shooting-vixen-20140819,0,825317.story


cigar company across the street....clearly cigars must be made illegal and banned now.

Lol

You are onto something sir.... Ill be keeping my eyes peeled


Why do you think we banned Cuba?

Uncle Sam was really upset that Red got to keep access to those sexy Latinas on the island
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:51:24
Yeah right. I trust less cops my own race than white cops. They feel superior to you because they feel like they have to proof they arent "one of us".

This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with lack of accountability on cops.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: digi on Tue, 19 August 2014, 16:52:13
Yeah right. I trust less cops my own race than white cops. They feel superior to you because they feel like they have to proof they arent "one of us".

This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with lack of accountability on cops.

There are Mexican cops?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 17:00:05
Yeah right. I trust less cops my own race than white cops. They feel superior to you because they feel like they have to proof they arent "one of us".

This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with lack of accountability on cops.

There are Mexican cops?

IF THERE AREN'T THERE SHOULD BE....mexicans are the majority race in this country....everyone knows that.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 17:17:24
Hispanics aren't the majority.. yet ;)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 17:43:21
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doesnt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/

Through their attorney, the owner of the store also even dispute the claim that they or an employee called 911. They say that a customer inside the store made the call. This is pretty strange if this was indeed a “robbery”.

As well, in addition to clarifying that they never said they believed, nor identified the suspect with Michael Brown, they claimed that the St. Louis County issued the warrants for the hard drive of surveillance video Friday, based on the police claiming that Brown fit the description of the person in the video… the person who the owners and employees of the store were not even going to call the police on. Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.

You must be a grade A moron. Isn't it obvious that these shopkeepers want nothing to do with this story? Shop owners are buying guns like crazy because they know if looters come, the police will do nothing for fear of Barack Obama, Rev. Al Sharpton, and the rest of the race-bating industry.

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/

Quote
The attorney for the owners of the store says the owners do not wish to be wrapped up in the middle of this. They are simply complying with police orders and again the attorney wanted to emphasize the 911 call did not come from the owners or an employee.

Snitches End Up In Ditches!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 19 August 2014, 17:54:19
Uncle Sam was really upset that Red got to keep access to those sexy Latinas on the island

*cackles* Cuba's a communist **** hole -- it's the Alcatraz of the Caribbean.
Their 'sexy Latinas' are probably wearing government-issued rags and trying to figure out a way to fit a surfboard with an outboard motor. She's completely willing to drink her own urine while crossing the Gulf of Mexico, if that's what it takes to escape Fidel Castro's Communist Paradise!

http://www.thecubanhistory.com/2011/10/1145/

Yeah -- Communism has been so good for Cuba that the only way to escape is to convert a 1959 Buick into a boat.

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Read a ****ing history book, please.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 August 2014, 18:26:07
i must have missed it, but who was praising Cuba?

Pretty sure they were making a joke of the cigar comment. But man, did you fly off the handle.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 19 August 2014, 19:01:56
Yeah..


*backs away slowly from Krogenar*
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 August 2014, 19:08:11
Hispanics aren't the majority.. yet ;)

That's what  THEY want you to think.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Wed, 20 August 2014, 01:13:44
I am THEY I guess..
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: iri on Wed, 20 August 2014, 01:41:31
Would be so nice when Latinos are the majority in USA. Spanish is so much better than English.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Wed, 20 August 2014, 04:24:11
chill guys
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 20 August 2014, 07:04:28
I am THEY I guess..

Sorry...by THEY I always mean the US Government  >:( ??? :-\
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Wed, 20 August 2014, 07:11:26
(http://i.imgur.com/xzUtslN.gif)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Wed, 20 August 2014, 07:33:20
I am THEY I guess..

Sorry...by THEY I always mean the US Government  >:( ??? :-\

Ah.. I'm definitely not THEY :o
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 20 August 2014, 09:45:19
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/169519-leading-riots-ferguson-residences-arrested-provide-interesting-clues/

Now we can blame the communist
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Wed, 20 August 2014, 10:02:12
year 2015 AD - McCarthyism has made a comeback

Red Scare 3 is upon us

Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Wed, 20 August 2014, 10:04:53
Cops threatning to kill journalists/protestors.

These cops dumb as ****.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Wed, 20 August 2014, 12:20:57
Cops don't know how to camera apparently.. lol
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 20 August 2014, 12:30:52
Cops don't know how to camera apparently.. lol

To be fair, they have spent the last week trying to damage and dismantle them...
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Wed, 20 August 2014, 12:46:50
Cops don't know how to camera apparently.. lol

To be fair, they have spent the last week trying to damage and dismantle them...

Yes, they hate and fear having to camera!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lurch on Wed, 20 August 2014, 12:57:04
ACAB
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Wed, 20 August 2014, 13:40:27
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/ferguson-cop-points-gun-journalists-im-fing-kill-you/


How do you camera?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Eszett on Wed, 20 August 2014, 13:50:22
Question: a black man threatens police officers with a knife. They shoot him to death as an act of self-defence. Why don’t shoot him in the feet? For what reason shoot him in chest and head? Is this murder? Questions like these lead to riots, for reason.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Wed, 20 August 2014, 13:59:20
He was within 4 feet of the officers, which is considered lethal threat range with a knife.  I think I read that on the article.  He was also, literally asking for it.  I have very little problem with that shooting, I have some problem with the Mike Brown shooting, but none of it approaches the level of the insane police response to the initial mourners/protestors following the shooting.

Also..

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2014/08/by_the_numbers_93_percent_of_protesters_arrested_monday_night_arent_from_ferguson.php

"It is of note that 93 percent of those arrested were not Ferguson residents," Schellman says. "Of all those arrested, 27 percent were not residents of Missouri."
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Eszett on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:07:24
Thanks for clarification of fact, cmadrid!

Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: sleepy916 on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:08:08
Question: a black man threatens police officers with a knife. They shoot him to death as an act of self-defence. Why don’t shoot him in the feet? For what reason shoot him in chest and head? Is this murder? Questions like these lead to riots, for reason.

Police shoot for center mass, nobody tries to shoot in the feet. What if they miss and hit someone else? And it didn't have to be a black man, they are taught to shoot center mass on anyone that is an immediate danger.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Eszett on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:12:24
Police shoot for center mass, nobody tries to shoot in the feet. What if they miss and hit someone else? And it didn't have to be a black man, they are taught to shoot center mass on anyone that is an immediate danger.

Yes, they shoot with lethal ammunition at lethal body parts, even when they didn’t get hurt yet (from a knife!), this is what I critisize for beeing inappropriate. Here in Germany we have a case where a man feels threatened at night by someone he believes as a thief, and shoots him to death. Then it turned out that it was his wife!

Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:14:14
Police shoot for center mass, nobody tries to shoot in the feet. What if they miss and hit someone else? And it didn't have to be a black man, they are taught to shoot center mass on anyone that is an immediate danger.

Yes, they shoot with lethal ammunition at lethal body parts, even when they didn’t get hurt yet (from a knife!), this is what I critisize for beeing inappropriate.



So you would rather they wait until they are stabbed to take action?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Eszett on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:16:39
So you would rather they wait until they are stabbed to take action?
You know that there are ALOT of methods to disable someone without killing him. You know that pretty well. A knife is a joke for someone who is trained at martial arts.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:24:27
The trigger happy officer didn't had any non-lethal weapons on him such as a baton, pepper spray or tazer ???  ? ? ? ?

You know cops, are not known to carry anything like that with them, ever, right??
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: sleepy916 on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:24:32
Police shoot for center mass, nobody tries to shoot in the feet. What if they miss and hit someone else? And it didn't have to be a black man, they are taught to shoot center mass on anyone that is an immediate danger.

Yes, they shoot with lethal ammunition at lethal body parts, even when they didn’t get hurt yet (from a knife!), this is what I critisize for beeing inappropriate. Here in Germany we have a case where a man feels threatened at night by someone he believes as a thief, and shoots him to death. Then it turned out that it was his wife!

Was the guy a cop? Because it wouldnt be relevant if he wasn't. Shooting in the center is the point of all of it. Guns are deadly weapons, they don't shoot to injure. It is easy to second guess after the fact.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:24:45
 ::)
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: iri on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:28:17
So you would rather they wait until they are stabbed to take action?
You know that there are ALOT of methods to disable someone without killing him. You know that pretty well. A knife is a joke for someone who is trained at martial arts.
stop spreading bull****.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:38:56
So you would rather they wait until they are stabbed to take action?
You know that there are ALOT of methods to disable someone without killing him. You know that pretty well. A knife is a joke for someone who is trained at martial arts.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/08/19/zerline-maxwell-knife-karate (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2014/08/19/zerline-maxwell-knife-karate)

:facepalm:

One reporter said they didn't understand why they couldn't have just thrown a net over the attacker.

And apparently at close range a knife can easily win a gun fight if the gun is still holstered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Wed, 20 August 2014, 14:39:51
I would have shot that guy if I was the cop..



http://www.aclu-mo.org/newsviews/2014/08/20/aclu-asks-col-replogle-remove-inappropriate-officer


ACLU Asks Col Replogle to Remove Inappropriate Officer
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 20 August 2014, 15:00:18

I'm beginning to wonder why there aren't more riots in other places.

and here's one for the taser happy

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/parents-consider-legal-action-after-south-dakota-police-use-taser-f8C11366222
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: keymaster on Wed, 20 August 2014, 15:38:51

I'm beginning to wonder why there aren't more riots in other places.

and here's one for the taser happy

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/parents-consider-legal-action-after-south-dakota-police-use-taser-f8C11366222

Probably because race-baiting is absent most of the time. Abuse of authority by police is a huge problem in the U.S., without a doubt, but what I stay away from is the race-baiting that occurs in scenarios where race had little to do with the end result. Instead, people should be upset about the rapid militarization of America's police since the 1990s. Why do they need military-grade equipment that was on display during the Boston incident and now in Ferguson? Pretty scary and makes future wide-scale dissent via protests/riots nearly impossible.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 20 August 2014, 15:52:30
so stupid drunk guy trespasses on a friends home, sitting on the porch playing with a garden hose, and the first sign of human contact, he points it in their direction with 2 out stretched hands? drunk ppl are dumb.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: digi on Wed, 20 August 2014, 15:59:20
The idiocy shown by some of these cops could be fixed if the job requirements & wages for law enforcement was increased to reduce the
amount of former mall cop's gone trigger happy...

Like, get them up to Dog the Bounty Hunter's status at least..
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Wed, 20 August 2014, 17:44:50
The idiocy shown by some of these cops could be fixed if the job requirements & wages for law enforcement was increased to reduce the
amount of former mall cop's gone trigger happy...

Like, get them up to Dog the Bounty Hunter's status at least..

Nah--that would take more taxes from the citizens to instate
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Wed, 20 August 2014, 21:20:25
Or instead of constantly demanding more money.. the government could stop spending trillions of dollars blowing up huts in the middle east/northern africa/central asia
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Wed, 20 August 2014, 22:15:23
The idiocy shown by some of these cops could be fixed if the job requirements & wages for law enforcement was increased to reduce the
amount of former mall cop's gone trigger happy...

Like, get them up to Dog the Bounty Hunter's status at least..

Cops purposely hire people with a low iq
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Fri, 22 August 2014, 22:09:47
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/08/ferguson_police_timeline_a_comprehensive_chronological_accounting_of_the.2.html


Things seem to be calming down a bit.. hope so!
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 23 August 2014, 11:05:41
http://www.reddit.com/r/ferguson was looking for reddit infos subreddit really seems to slant a certain way.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 23 August 2014, 11:18:58
Newly release cell phone video of the Powell shooting that took place a few miles from where Michael Brown was shot.

WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING


WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING

This is very disturbing.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 23 August 2014, 11:50:41
hows it disturbing? crazy guy walked up to police with a knife,, with that crazy walk, and the police put him down.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 August 2014, 11:54:03
Looks nothing how the cops described it
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 23 August 2014, 12:40:50

Newly release cell phone video of the Powell shooting that took place a few miles from where Michael Brown was shot.

WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING


WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING

This is very disturbing.
saw this a couple days ago, it's ****ing disgusting
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: tbc on Sat, 23 August 2014, 13:22:50
so the guy actually had a knife?  i was too distracted by portrait view to notice.

out of curiosity though, isn't this one of the founding concepts of the US as a country?  when someone is nearby with a dangerous weapon, you have the right to use a bigger weapon to make sure that they can't hurt you in order to protect oneself, one's family, one's property, and the country as a whole?  obviously some regions are more peaceful and you're not legally obligated to shoot people.

to put it more simply, would people be as upset if it was just 2 random dudes?  this is a serious question btw, i've never understood american passion for weapons.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 23 August 2014, 13:46:14
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill this is why you shoot a nutter also
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Sat, 23 August 2014, 13:57:59
To protect and serve is supposed to cover suspects too or no? If Powell was a "Tiffany Donaldson" -- would it have turned out the same way?

Legally, I believe police are only required "to uphold the law". Protect and serve be damned
Title: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 23 August 2014, 13:58:22
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill this is why you shoot a nutter also
okay but you don't shoot him indiscriminately several times after he's started going down, 1 bullet is enough, if not one too many
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 23 August 2014, 14:01:27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill this is why you shoot a nutter also
okay but you don't shoot him indiscriminately several times after he's started going down, 1 bullet is enough, if not one too many

I believe they are trained to shoot until the person stops moving.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 23 August 2014, 14:05:47

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill this is why you shoot a nutter also
okay but you don't shoot him indiscriminately several times after he's started going down, 1 bullet is enough, if not one too many

I believe they are trained to shoot until the person stops moving.
that's ****ed up
how can they live with that
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 August 2014, 14:12:24
Cops are taught to shoot at center mass to stop the threat. None of this fantasy **** about shooting limbs/hands/feet.

But they also have non lethal options that lately they havent bothered with.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 23 August 2014, 14:18:57
a standing assailant will do damage, its not shoot to kill, its shoot to drop, usually it happens so fast they just rely on their training and shooting like demike stated and emptying their mag
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sat, 23 August 2014, 14:29:12
Newly release cell phone video of the Powell shooting that took place a few miles from where Michael Brown was shot.

WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING


WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING

This is very disturbing.


That guy was doing some serious cop trolling.

But he only had a knife.  Why the hell could they not just use a taser?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: keymaster on Sat, 23 August 2014, 14:47:50
Newly release cell phone video of the Powell shooting that took place a few miles from where Michael Brown was shot.

WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING


WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING

This is very disturbing.


That guy was doing some serious cop trolling.

But he only had a knife.  Why the hell could they not just use a taser?

You only get one shot off with the taser. Feeling lucky?
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 23 August 2014, 14:54:31
how can they live with that

Because in some cases, they wouldn't live.

If you fire one shot at a guy who is six foot eight and three hundred pounds, that's going to do absolutely nothing. You shoot until the threat is gone. One shoot would be fine if they were aiming for the head, but they aren't. They aren't shooting to kill, they are shooting to bring an end to the threat.

This is why they shoot centre of mass (large target, lots of vital organs to bring a stop to the target), until the person goes down. the guy was still moving around on the floor, and tbf, they should have cuffed him immediately and called the paramedics.

There are some ****ing psychos out there, and one shot is almost never enough. Some people are literally like zombies and will keep going until their limbs cease functioning or they are dead.

And believe it or not, tasers require more training than a firearm, especially in the US where anybody can get a ****ing pistol.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 August 2014, 15:14:12
They did cuff him after they killed him
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 23 August 2014, 15:33:06
Newly release cell phone video of the Powell shooting that took place a few miles from where Michael Brown was shot.

WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING


WARNING ^^ graphic content shows someone being shot WARNING

This is very disturbing.


That guy was doing some serious cop trolling.

But he only had a knife.  Why the hell could they not just use a taser?

You only get one shot off with the taser. Feeling lucky?
and some people aren't really impaired by tasers, some aren't affected at all
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 23 August 2014, 15:43:04
can we just agree on "please don't ****ing kill people"
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 23 August 2014, 15:45:29
i'm sure no one wants to kill ppl, but when dumbass criminal thugs, force a police offiers hand, well, somethings gonna happen.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 August 2014, 15:46:02
To protect and serve is supposed to cover suspects too or no? If Powell was a "Tiffany Donaldson" -- would it have turned out the same way?

Legally, I believe police are only required "to uphold the law". Protect and serve be damned
You are 100% correct. They are LEO. Law Enforcement Officers. They protect and serve laws made by the government and paid for by corporations. Cops arent here for our protection, just ask the NYPD and the judge that ruled so.

i'm sure no one wants to kill ppl, but when dumbass criminal thugs, force a police offiers hand, well, somethings gonna happen.

This is why people should be armed against police. Unannounced raids in the wrong house? Sorry officer, should have done your homework better or else you wouldnt be dead right now.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 23 August 2014, 16:03:53
pretty sure even if you were armed in your own home, shotgun under the bed and a trained SWAT team mistakenly raids your house, the trained task force is gonna be on the winning side, and then the courts will have to sort it out.

sure they've done ****ty things like raid a house, blow up a baby and then not even wanting to pay for the babies surgeries
http://rt.com/usa/181100-baby-swat-grenade-medical/

countless other stories of shooting dogs b/c they were "scared"
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=47987


ganja smoker! equals 2 smoked dogs
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25981713/st-paul-police-shoot-kill-2-family-dogs-in-swat-raid

this is really repulsive, officer illegal went to a persons yard looking for a missing child, shot his dog
http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/06/slc-police-shoot-kill-dog-during-search-for-missing-child.html

lots of dog shootings and baby blastings by officers, but the officers will shoot first and faster.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 August 2014, 16:17:38
So, theyre thugs themselves. Only difference is they have a badge and a union to hide behind.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Sat, 23 August 2014, 16:24:12
oh yea in these cases, they hide behind their badge and the pathetic police brotherhood of silence, but that video shows, even thug cops have to make a real situational call to take down a crazy crazy once in a while.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: sleepy916 on Sat, 23 August 2014, 16:35:01
I may be naive but I really do think most cops try to do the right thing. The bad ones are the ones we see more of though because a good cop is doing what he should do. There is no story in that.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: osi on Sat, 23 August 2014, 17:03:27
Couple years ago here in FL, police executed a no knock warrant issued for a suspect in a murder case. Unfortunatley, the address was incorrect and police hit the wrong house.

The homeowner hears ruckus, commomotion, and pounding at the door. He then arms himself as he should under the circumstances. The cops entered the home and the homeowner was fatally shot.

Cops did not announce they were law enforment. ~1:30 AM

Not directly the triggerman's fault in this case. Blame can be placed on the supervisor of that oversaw and planned the house breach which then resulted in a wrongful death.

Think a lieutenant is getting jail time for that? I doubt it


Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 August 2014, 17:49:41
I may be naive but I really do think most cops try to do the right thing. The bad ones are the ones we see more of though because a good cop is doing what he should do. There is no story in that.

if a good ones don't say anything, they are just as bad as the bad ones.

Couple years ago here in FL, police executed a no knock warrant issued for a suspect in a murder case. Unfortunatley, the address was incorrect and police hit the wrong house.

The homeowner hears ruckus, commomotion, and pounding at the door. He then arms himself as he should under the circumstances. The cops entered the home and the homeowner was fatally shot.

Cops did not announce they were law enforment. ~1:30 AM

Not directly the triggerman's fault in this case. Blame can be placed on the supervisor of that oversaw and planned the house breach which then resulted in a wrongful death.

Think a lieutenant is getting jail time for that? I doubt it




same thing happened in texas IIRC.

no knock raid in the wrong house. pigs didn't identify themselves. one gets shot (and killed). home owner gets arrested.. but is cleared thanks to the castle law texas has.

what bothers me is the arrest part. that doesn't happen to cops. they get a bull**** "house arrest" WITH pay.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sat, 23 August 2014, 17:51:32
^
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 24 August 2014, 04:09:48
http://gawker.com/what-ive-learned-from-two-years-collecting-data-on-poli-1625472836


A few days ago, Deadspin's Kyle Wagner began to compile a list of all police-involved shootings in the U.S. He's not the only one to undertake such a project: D. Brian Burghart, editor of the Reno News & Review, has been attempting a crowdsourced national database of deadly police violence. We asked Brian to write about what he's learned from his project.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Sun, 24 August 2014, 09:22:16
so they're using LRAD's

just carpet nuke plz
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: dantan on Sun, 24 August 2014, 12:11:49
al sharpton is an ambulance chaser for black ppl. did you grow up in ny in the 80's and 90's? if you did then this idiot was always in the daily news (newspaper). if there was a "black crime" he'd be the first on scene, to cause a scene.

It didn't become about black rights at that point, it became about "what did al sharpton say"

he was annoying forever when ed kotch was mayor, then when dinkins became mayor, nothing. it was serene! al sharpton wasn't around to cause trouble. (side note, one of grade school accomplishments is getting my sidewalk trash picked up on time with a letter from mayor dinkins, this was probably the time when the mob controlled WM/ waste mangement and the subject of all those mob movies, and stuff like sopranos)  his stupid marches caused terror in my neighborhood when i was 10. ppl were told to stay in their homes so this idiot can get publicity and walk really really really slowly.

this idiot causes more trouble than tries to solve the solution, just to elevate his status, which i guess worked in the end, since our idiot president likes him.

But he manages to get attention.


It's so hard for me to get noticed in class and this Al Sharpton guy can get people to cooperate with him all the time just by talking BS.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Sun, 24 August 2014, 12:55:29
because he's positioned himself as such he doesn't believe in anything dead black ppl is how he gets his name out there and it works since hes able to fool our mentally hallenged president
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Sun, 24 August 2014, 13:30:42
http://gawker.com/what-ive-learned-from-two-years-collecting-data-on-poli-1625472836


A few days ago, Deadspin's Kyle Wagner began to compile a list of all police-involved shootings in the U.S. He's not the only one to undertake such a project: D. Brian Burghart, editor of the Reno News & Review, has been attempting a crowdsourced national database of deadly police violence. We asked Brian to write about what he's learned from his project.

bleh, gawker. everything that comes from them is ****ing trash. from gizmodo's apple ass kissing. jezebel's feminazi attitude to kotaku's bull****.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Sun, 24 August 2014, 20:34:42
the media is messed up when bill fcking oreilly is the voice of reason.

again this is bill oreilly, and he's actually not being one sided

bill fck it we'll do it live oreilly
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Mon, 25 August 2014, 19:30:30
And now of his injured face.

what are you TMZ?

look the outcry shouldn't be about this case, the thug boy robbed a store, then did thug things that lead to him being shot by those that serve and protect whom
Officer Wilson received a commendation for “extraordinary effort in the line of duty” in February

we should focus on fun stuff like this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/earl-sampson-stopped-258-times_n_4326008.html

(http://photographyisnotacrime.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Screenshot-2014-08-22-12.39.33.png)

i guess it's good to be skeptical.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Roibhilin on Tue, 26 August 2014, 00:23:52
And now of his injured face.

what are you TMZ?

look the outcry shouldn't be about this case, the thug boy robbed a store, then did thug things that lead to him being shot by those that serve and protect whom
Officer Wilson received a commendation for “extraordinary effort in the line of duty” in February

we should focus on fun stuff like this
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/22/earl-sampson-stopped-258-times_n_4326008.html

the dispatch logs mentioned nothing about him robbing a store and even if he did it doesn't warrant a brutal extrajudicial execution

"thug boy"
"thug things"
there's a 99% chance you're a racist please stay away from black people
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 26 August 2014, 01:36:13
Thug is a perjorative used to describe criminal acts, not a race, unless you like to associate all black ppl as thugs
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 26 August 2014, 03:29:14
at least they've got freedom, right guys
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 26 August 2014, 09:31:47
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/24/justin-cosma-ferguson-police_n_5705409.html

You know the more we learn about ferguson cops the worse it gets.....
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 26 August 2014, 09:36:01





btw there's a fundraiser for the guy who shot mike brown
mind you, he's on paid leave, he has no important expenses to pay, so essentially he's getting a ****load of money as a reward for shooting a black kid
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 26 August 2014, 10:02:05
This is true as quoted

fundraisers on the ground will be going directly to Officer Darren Wilson through the non-profit Shield of Hope.

He gets the monies directly with no discretion at all, even tho his legal fees will be paid by union dues most likely and hes on paid leave, last seen mowing his lawn before being escorted to secure location
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Krogenar on Tue, 26 August 2014, 12:05:04
btw there's a fundraiser for the guy who shot mike brown
mind you, he's on paid leave, he has no important expenses to pay, so essentially he's getting a ****load of money as a reward for shooting a black kid

The cop's fund has raised more money than Brown's supporters: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/23/support-darren-wilson-rally/14495459/

Mind you, this cop has people like the President of the United States, the U.S. Attorney General, Al Sharpton, the media and others demanding that the cop be publicly lynched before we even know the facts. Yeah, I'd want some extra cash too. With that many high profile morons trying to wreck the jury pool, I'd want money for a high-powered lawyer. Example: During the Trayvon Martin case, Spike Lee, moron-extraordinaire, retweeted Zimmerman's home address: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/12/spike-lee-tweet-trayvon-martin-twitter_n_4256158.html

Oh wait, no -- Spike only thought he was revealing Zimmerman's address, so that vigilantes could hopefully murder him. It turned out to be the home address of someone completely unrelated to the case! This cop, right or wrong, is going to have to fight very hard just to get a fair trial, what with so many morons gunning for him.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: demik on Tue, 26 August 2014, 12:12:54
Lol fight very hard. Right.

Union of corrupt pigs will get him off. Like every other cop.
Title: Re: Riots in Saint Louis!
Post by: Lanx on Tue, 26 August 2014, 17:17:39
Yea difference between private citzen zimmerman and white cop with clean record and the entire police brotherhood getting fair trial, even then zimmerman got a fair trial