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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: CPTBadAss on Wed, 13 August 2014, 13:42:24
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What would you recommend a long time keyboard enthusiast to try next?
I thought it would be fun to try this out 'cause we see a lot of newer users asking for help with their first boards but never any older users. Maybe someone like myself? I was focused Cherry and now I'm in love with Alps and buckling spring as well as MX. Was thinking of giving Space Invaders another chance.
And yes, I understand I'm leaving myself open to the new jokes ;). Oh and this isn't a knock on those threads, I just thought it'd be fun to ask the question from a different perspective :).
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Capacative switches. Model Fs and Topres.
I say this because I haven't tried either but I really want to whenever I have disposable income.
Plus I have yet to hear bad things about either of them...
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Capacative switches. Model Fs and Topres.
I say this because I haven't tried either but I really want to whenever I have disposable income.
Plus I have yet to hear bad things about either of them...
I was in the same boat and picked up a Realforce 87U from exitfire401 that he modified to be uniform 45g (save for Esc, print screen, scroll lock, and pause) and silent, a combination that's not otherwise available. After using it for just a couple days, I can unequivocally say it is the best keyboard I have ever used. I'm so happy with it that I purchased a variable weight silenced model to use at work. I will never use Cherry switches again.
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Well imo, since your reviews are pretty always complet, i'd say you could get non physical keyboards such as laser keyboards.
Cause it would be cool to get this technology going on properly and getting the pros to comment on them would defenetly push em forward.
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You need to try the One True Keyboard now. Convert to the Church of Topre and get yourself an HHKB. :)
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You need to try the One True Keyboard now. Convert to the Church of Topre and get yourself an HHKB. :)
Agreed - You can only deny the hhkb for so long
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Well imo, since your reviews are pretty always complet, i'd say you could get non physical keyboards such as laser keyboards.
Cause it would be cool to get this technology going on properly and getting the pros to comment on them would defenetly push em forward.
Laser keyboards are about the worst possible for RSI sufferers. There is nothing but impact as there is no switch for any "keystroke". I wouldn't use one. It is the same for touch screen keyboards as well.
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You need to try the One True Keyboard now. Convert to the Church of Topre and get yourself an HHKB. :)
Agreed - You can only deny the hhkb for so long
I can't type on Topre. 35g and 45g are too light for my tastes. 55g is acceptable but...
The bottom out really hurts my hands and I'm not interested in adapting my typing style or typing on anything that hurts. After an two or three hours of typing on a 55g 10AE, my hands felt like I had slapped my desk for an hour straight. It was a dull throbbing pain, like when you hit your shin on something.
The layout is interesting though, a Viper would have been fun to test drive.
Well imo, since your reviews are pretty always complet, i'd say you could get non physical keyboards such as laser keyboards.
Cause it would be cool to get this technology going on properly and getting the pros to comment on them would defenetly push em forward.
Laser keyboards are about the worst possible for RSI sufferers. There is nothing but impact as there is no switch for any "keystroke". I wouldn't use one. It is the same for touch screen keyboards as well.
Agreed
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You could make a banana keyboard with Makey Makey.
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I can't type on Topre. 35g and 45g are too light for my tastes. 55g is acceptable but...
The bottom out really hurts my hands and I'm not interested in adapting my typing style or typing on anything that hurts. After an two or three hours of typing on a 55g 10AE, my hands felt like I had slapped my desk for an hour straight. It was a dull throbbing pain, like when you hit your shin on something.
The layout is interesting though, a Viper would have been fun to test drive.
Bah, you need to try it again. HHKB feels nothing like Realforce in terms of switch weight. I don't know how to describe it. But the 45g domes in the HHKB just feel right. They don't feel too light, like the 45g RF do.
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You could make a banana keyboard with Makey Makey.
(http://www.down4sound.com/forum/images/smilies/do%20want.jpg)
I know what I'm buying next...
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Well imo, since your reviews are pretty always complet, i'd say you could get non physical keyboards such as laser keyboards.
Cause it would be cool to get this technology going on properly and getting the pros to comment on them would defenetly push em forward.
Laser keyboards are about the worst possible for RSI sufferers. There is nothing but impact as there is no switch for any "keystroke". I wouldn't use one. It is the same for touch screen keyboards as well.
I understand the issue but for it's a newer technology it must have its flaws. It's not yet fully developped and most probably other designs will come out afterwards but it needs to be properly tested by advanced users in order to ensure engineers recieve advanced feedbacks.
You followin' da reasonin'?
Also i do not agree Touch screen keyboards are the same; Laser boards needs to have an external flat surface while tablet or cellphone keyboards can be used while being mobile. It's totally different things; one was created in order to replace existing technology, the other one was made in order to make known technology mobile.
iPad keyboards, expecially in portrait (can also be splitted!), type very well. It's very responsive, keystroke zones are large and very accurate. I understand it's a huge adaptation for older users (Younger people tend to learn faster), but i have to say i adapted fairly fast myself (yes i am young). You should see kids these days how fast they are with tactile devices, they can hit 60-70 wpm on an iPad at age 8 or something with thumbs only!
My nefew is a very impressive typist for an 8 years old, and even on physical boards, it seems like it's not much of a reverse adaptation. We gifted him his first computer last Xmas, and he was pretty much "plug and play" with the keyboard. He cannot use the numpad doe, no numpad on iDevices lol.
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Well imo, since your reviews are pretty always complet, i'd say you could get non physical keyboards such as laser keyboards.
Cause it would be cool to get this technology going on properly and getting the pros to comment on them would defenetly push em forward.
Laser keyboards are about the worst possible for RSI sufferers. There is nothing but impact as there is no switch for any "keystroke". I wouldn't use one. It is the same for touch screen keyboards as well.
I understand the issue but for it's a newer technology it must have its flaws. It's not yet fully developped and most probably other designs will come out afterwards but it needs to be properly tested by advanced users in order to ensure engineers recieve advanced feedbacks.
You followin' da reasonin'?
Also i do not agree Touch screen keyboards are the same; Laser boards needs to have an external flat surface while tablet or cellphone keyboards can be used while being mobile. It's totally different things; one was created in order to replace existing technology, the other one was made in order to make known technology mobile.
iPad keyboards, expecially in portrait (can also be splitted!), type very well. It's very responsive, keystroke zones are large and very accurate. I understand it's a huge adaptation for older users (Younger people tend to learn faster), but i have to say i adapted fairly fast myself (yes i am young). You should see kids these days how fast they are with tactile devices, they can hit 60-70 wpm on an iPad at age 8 or something with thumbs only!
My nefew is a very impressive typist for an 8 years old, and even on physical boards, it seems like it's not much of a reverse adaptation. We gifted him his first computer last Xmas, and he was pretty much "plug and play" with the keyboard. He cannot use the numpad doe, no numpad on iDevices lol.
I agree. it has it's flaws. But the flaws are primarily in the concept, not the implementation.
A keyboard that senses only on contact is not ergonomic. You have to keep your fingers physically off the keys or else you will trigger them. This is very fatiguing. Pressure sensing can improve this by allowing you to rest your fingers lightly, but it's not possible with a laser board and it's still not tactile enough to be much use. A physical keyboard with "mechanical" switches will always be better in terms of ergonomics and usability.
Laser and touchscreens are more flexible in terms of layout, though.
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Back on topic,
Try trampoline modded 62g ErgoClears :) One of those Poker 2's from Massdrop with Clears would make a good starting point, or even better, the new Pure with aluminium case that is in development.
Myself... I'm going to try Matias Quiet switches next.
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ccc.....cant type on Topre.......
(http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u571/julieeatworld14/keyshineepissed_zpsb97fd521.gif)
Burn the heretic!
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A long time keyboard enthusiast has probably tried most switches they are able or bothered to try.
I would probably suggest a different layout.
HHKB springs to mind. JD40 is even more radical.
Or go the other way and try something like an M122.
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Or en ErgoDox. Atreus. Something along those lines. Maybe a Kinesis Advantage or uTron. DataHand?
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A long time keyboard enthusiast has probably tried most switches they are able or bothered to try.
I would probably suggest a different layout.
HHKB springs to mind. JD40 is even more radical.
Or go the other way and try something like an M122.
This is exactly what I'm doing. I was being lazy about exploring new layouts, so I'm starting with a JD40 and going from there...
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You need to try the One True Keyboard now. Convert to the Church of Topre and get yourself an HHKB. :)
Good god I just bought a GON and a poker 2 within a week of each other. Now you guys are just making me get the HHKB :-\. Their facility is like 15 minutes away from me and I'm thinking just walk in and buy it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Take 1 more for me bro :thumb:
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I'm about 80% right now about actually doing it. Someone help me. Please make me stop.
But since everyone is talking about it I'd say just get it OP and if you don't like it just return it or sell it
OOOPS sorry OP just read you can't type on topre. Please disregard my post
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the KUL
I'll let you try it next week
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the KUL
I'll let you try it next week
Funny thing is I've been wanting to try that for a little while.
Or en ErgoDox. Atreus. Something along those lines. Maybe a Kinesis Advantage or uTron. DataHand?
A long time keyboard enthusiast has probably tried most switches they are able or bothered to try.
I would probably suggest a different layout.
HHKB springs to mind. JD40 is even more radical.
Or go the other way and try something like an M122.
These are quality ideas :D.
Bah, you need to try it again. HHKB feels nothing like Realforce in terms of switch weight. I don't know how to describe it. But the 45g domes in the HHKB just feel right. They don't feel too light, like the 45g RF do.
I tried 45g on multiple HHKBs including one that Halverson brought to my house to play. I really wasn't into it. Too light and hand pains. I've given up on Topre. It's just not for me and my typing style.
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HHKB Type S.
No other alternative.
Is the KUL really that good?
Must resist temptation to buy one.
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Become an Omron hipster, then start singing the praise of Futaba and Fujitsu Peerless.
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Plus I have yet to hear bad things about either of them...
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Well looking at the model f and to a larger extent, the m, those things have been around for YEARS. They are bullet proof, and will never break.
And I doubt the switches would either, buckling spring switches would probably outlast me ;D
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Is the KUL really that good?
Must resist temptation to buy one.
The KUL is for folks who want a Filco but prefer Cherry stabilizers.
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For those who have been in the game long enough to have worked out what physical layout, MX switches, springs, etc they like most, there is always the custom option: http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/
Good for "endgame" boards :)
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Lol, yeah join the GON club, you know you want to :]
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Beam Spring.
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Beam Spring.
Been looking for months for one, no luck yet.
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Beam Spring.
Been looking for months for one, no luck yet.
Next one I find I'll PM you instead of posting....like that PC Convertible you missed out on :(