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NEWS BELOW:
PuLSE Group Buy will launch on Sep 8th (next Monday) at 12:00 PST. Prepare your wallets and your mailbox!
(http://i.imgur.com/xi2hoTn.png)
ESTIMATED PRICES BELOW:
(http://i.imgur.com/dbrqqAc.png)
PRICES BREAKDOWN:
Base Set
25 sets $81 per set
50 sets $69 per set
75 sets $65 per set
100 sets $63 per set
150 sets $61 per set
200 sets $60 per set
250 sets $59 per set
Novelties
10 sets $73 per set
15 sets $52 per set
25 sets $35 per set
50 sets $22 per set
75 sets $18 per set
100 sets $16 per set
150 sets $14 per set
200 sets $13 per set
250 sets $12 per set
F-Row Stripe
10 sets $10 per set
15 sets $9 per set
25 sets $8 per set
50 sets $6 per set
60% Stripe
10 sets $16 per set
15 sets $14 per set
25 sets $12 per set
50 sets $10 per set
100 sets $9 per set
Numpack
10 sets $29 per set
25 sets $19 per set
50 sets $16 per set
75 sets $14 per set
150 sets $13 per set
ISO Pack
10 sets $14 per set
25 sets $9 per set
50 sets $7 per set
150 sets $6 per set
Tsangan
10 sets $24 per set
15 sets $18 per set
25 sets $14 per set
50 sets $11 per set
75 sets $10 per set
100 sets $9 per set
200 sets $8 per set
Halfadox
10 sets $22 per set
15 sets $17 per set
25 sets $13 per set
50 sets $10 per set
75 sets $9 per set
100 sets $8 per set
Spacebars
10 pcs $6.55 each
15 pcs $4.75 each
25 pcs $3.31 each
50 pcs $2.23 each
75 pcs $1.87 each
100 pcs $1.69 each
150 pcs $1.51 each
200 pcs $1.42 each
250 pcs $1.37 each
Blanks
1 Space - Flat rate of $0.45 each
1.5 Space - Flat rate of $1.05 each
2 Space - Flat rate of $1.75 each
KEYSET PRESENTATION BELOW!
Hello GeekHack.
I'm Lyqu1d from /r/MK and I came here to present you guys an electric feeling keyset. The PuLSE Keyset. It brings the contrast between a shocking blue tone and a black tone, over ABS DoubleShots keycaps, on the SA 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile. If there's enough interest, I'll run a group buy with Signature Plastics, /r/MK, deskthority and you guys.
(http://i.imgur.com/71W9VnU.png)
Base Set - SHIFT KEYS ARE ROW 3
(http://i.imgur.com/3Efmj1f.png)
F-Row Stripe
(http://i.imgur.com/YgCAofy.png)
Novelties
(http://i.imgur.com/MH0hdKc.png)
60% Stripe
(http://i.imgur.com/xW8MOU2.png)
ISO Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/wj4w5pq.png)
Numpack
(http://i.imgur.com/OipbQY7.png)
Tsangan
(http://i.imgur.com/c0NPKWU.png)
Halfadox
(http://i.imgur.com/pXs9ilo.png)
Blanks
(http://i.imgur.com/cZ8L5g9.png)
PuLSE Keyset Overview w/ Novelties and F-Row Stripe
(http://i.imgur.com/IXe8LNY.png)
Profile Overview
(http://i.imgur.com/wPkkvMC.jpg)
Shocking.
(http://i.imgur.com/g4Hn5t3.png)
I hope y'all like it,
MiTo, aka Lyqu1d @ /r/MK
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This is so similar to a set I've been experimenting with that I think I'll just give up. You've obviously done it better than I could.
You said "light grey" in your description, but this looks pretty dark to me. What profile were you considering?
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Looks great, might wanna add a tsangan or winkeyless kit.
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This is so similar to a set I've been experimenting with that I think I'll just give up. You've obviously done it better than I could.
You said "light grey" in your description, but this looks pretty dark to me. What profile were you considering?
Oh... That went straight into my feelings, seriously. Maybe you shouldn't give up already!
I mentioned grey and indeed looks dark. Its the GEW grey tone from Signature Plastics pallet. About the profile, I gotta talk to Melissa but maybe DCS.
(http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/absgray.jpg)
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Looks great, might wanna add a tsangan or winkeyless kit.
I'll have to do a quick research regarding Tsangan and Winkeyless sizing, does anyone have this information?
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Looks great, might wanna add a tsangan or winkeyless kit.
I'll have to do a quick research regarding Tsangan and Winkeyless sizing, does anyone have this information?
1.5x Ctrl, Alt
1x Winkey
7x Spacebar
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Looks great, might wanna add a tsangan or winkeyless kit.
I'll have to do a quick research regarding Tsangan and Winkeyless sizing, does anyone have this information?
1.5x Ctrl, Alt
1x Winkey
7x Spacebar
Thanks kekkon, working on it.
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Looks very good!
You are releasing keyset after keyset :p
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Really liking this color scheme
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Looks very good!
You are releasing keyset after keyset :p
Thanks Lechner, I gotta keep the ideas flowing!
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I definitely like the color scheme you've got going! What font is this, or have you decided yet what you'd like to use?
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I definitely like the color scheme you've got going! What font is this, or have you decided yet what you'd like to use?
It's the Cherry Replica font that's used on many keysets that exist. A lot of keyboards from the 80's and 90's feature this font and a lot of people love it!
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Great choice!
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Very nice. I'd be in almost regardless of profile. Any chance of adding an orange version of the 'G', 'H' and 'GEEKHACK' keys?
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It's cool.I like it.
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Very nice. I'd be in almost regardless of profile. Any chance of adding an orange version of the 'G', 'H' and 'GEEKHACK' keys?
Great idea! I think I can do an Orange GeekHack but I'm not sure about the G and H. Too many novelties I believe. But it's a possibility, I gotta check with SP how many Novelties are they willing to make.
EDIT: Added you sugestions, check OP for the pictures.
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It's cool.I like it.
I'm very glad you like it, hopefully we'll make it happen.
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buy buy buy
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Really digging the orange novelties!
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Really digging the orange novelties!
I knew you guys would like it.
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Really liking this one. It would look good next to a Logitech G502 mouse as it matches the colors.
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You might consider adding reverse mods and reverse alphas.
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The orange mods are nice by themselves, but I feel they conflict so much with the blue. Not for me, but I suppose others may like it.
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You might consider adding reverse mods and reverse alphas.
^this^
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My advise: don't pander to every whim of the community. You dilute your sets and could be in danger of not meeting MOQs.
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I mentioned grey and indeed looks dark. Its the GEW grey tone from Signature Plastics pallet.
The GB grey would perfectly match, too. I love your set, would buy 10/10.
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This key set is looking better and better. Good work mate!
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Despite the lack of yellow, this set is strangely alluring.
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Have all these novelties been cut already? Custom legends will be cost prohibitive.
Regardless, Tsangan kit should include a stepped caps lock with a standard legend. It will look weird having one icon legend and a bunch of text mods around it.
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that blue is mesmerizing.
forgive me if i missed it, but which blue are you using from the SP's palette?
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My advise: don't pander to every whim of the community. You dilute your sets and could be in danger of not meeting MOQs.
I totally agree with this! I think it's getting to complex already. Too many extra keys that increase the costs too much.
Have all these novelties been cut already? Custom legends will be cost prohibitive.
Regardless, Tsangan kit should include a stepped caps lock with a standard legend. It will look weird having one icon legend and a bunch of text mods around it.
Yeah, the novelty kit will be pretty expensive.
Therefore I think it's better to move the "~" and "\" keys to the regular Mod Kit like in every other GB :thumb:
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I like it, i'd definitely be in for a set of base, alpha. novelties** and tsangan :)
However as a nurse, I can't say i'm a fan of the pulse logo, looks a bit like right bundle branch block :P(works great for the set though! don't change it ^_^)
Personal preference time: DSA with centered text would look amazing in my opinion, however if I recall, not many people are fans of that.
** why is it a standard for the tilde(~) and backslash(\) keys to be part of the alpha set (http://i.imgur.com/OkBYWaB.png), it's very nonsensical, and means we have to get the extra set (http://i.imgur.com/hbm8Qvf.png) to get it to look nice :P
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You might consider adding reverse mods and reverse alphas.
Problem is: if I offer inverted options for the Alphas and Mods, I'd be basically seling two keysets at the same time. They would compete with each other. Some people would buy the grey alphas, others the blue alphas. Some people would buy the grey mods and others, the blue mods. That said, I don't know if any of the options would tip. I think I'll keep it simple even though both look insanely great. Gotta hear more opinions about that.
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The orange mods are nice by themselves, but I feel they conflict so much with the blue. Not for me, but I suppose others may like it.
I think they were too noisy as well, and a lot o people agreed. I reduced the orange modifiers.
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Have all these novelties been cut already? Custom legends will be cost prohibitive.
Regardless, Tsangan kit should include a stepped caps lock with a standard legend. It will look weird having one icon legend and a bunch of text mods around it.
I just emailed Melissa and now I'm waiting for her answer regarding the custom legends. Let's see how many they can allow me to create without hurting the costs.
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that blue is mesmerizing.
forgive me if i missed it, but which blue are you using from the SP's palette?
It's the BBJ tone.
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My advise: don't pander to every whim of the community. You dilute your sets and could be in danger of not meeting MOQs.
I totally agree with this! I think it's getting to complex already. Too many extra keys that increase the costs too much.
Have all these novelties been cut already? Custom legends will be cost prohibitive.
Regardless, Tsangan kit should include a stepped caps lock with a standard legend. It will look weird having one icon legend and a bunch of text mods around it.
Yeah, the novelty kit will be pretty expensive.
Therefore I think it's better to move the "~" and "\" keys to the regular Mod Kit like in every other GB :thumb:
I reduced the orange modifiers, they were indeed conflicting with the main blue color scheme. Also, I emailed Melissa to see how many custom legends we'll be able to create without increasing the costs too much.
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I like it, i'd definitely be in for a set of base, alpha. novelties** and tsangan :)
However as a nurse, I can't say i'm a fan of the pulse logo, looks a bit like right bundle branch block :P(works great for the set though! don't change it ^_^)
Personal preference time: DSA with centered text would look amazing in my opinion, however if I recall, not many people are fans of that.
** why is it a standard for the tilde(~) and backslash(\) keys to be part of the alpha set (http://i.imgur.com/OkBYWaB.png), it's very nonsensical, and means we have to get the extra set (http://i.imgur.com/hbm8Qvf.png) to get it to look nice :P
Because a lot of people like this look (http://i.imgur.com/OkBYWaB.png). Also, by getting the Novelty Pack, you end up with a whole buch of fancy custom keys.
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You might consider adding reverse mods and reverse alphas.
Problem is: if I offer inverted options for the Alphas and Mods, I'd be basically seling two keysets at the same time. They would compete with each other. Some people would buy the grey alphas, others the blue alphas. Some people would buy the grey mods and others, the blue mods. That said, I don't know if any of the options would tip. I think I'll keep it simple even though both look insanely great. Gotta hear more opinions about that.
I suppose you can look at it like that.
But offering the reverse might also get you more orders by appealing to more people.
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I suppose you can look at it like that.
But offering the reverse might also get you more orders by appealing to more people.
I agree with you but I'm looking at the inverted keyset right now and it's basically looking like a Black Miami.
(http://i.imgur.com/VZGPJvV.png)
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Prefer original colors. Inverted doesn't give me as much punch as the blue text on grey.
The orange tons in the GH and the pulse is pretty good.
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I find it very difficult to really evaluate colourways on white backgrounds so did a quick comparison mock up:
(http://i.imgur.com/csft07y.jpg)
Personally I prefer the original (top).
The blue alpha legends really pop and act as highlights whereas the concentrated blue in the Inverted scheme seems overwhelming to me.
Edit: the inverted navigation keys do look pretty sweet though ...
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I find it very difficult to really evaluate colourways on white backgrounds so did a quick comparison mock up:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/csft07y.jpg)
Personally I prefer the original (top).
The blue alpha legends really pop and act as highlights whereas the concentrated blue in the Inverted scheme seems overwhelming to me.
Edit: the inverted navigation keys do look pretty sweet though ...
Nice job Hucifer. We share opinions and I believe most people prefer the top one version as well. We'll stick to it.
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Yes, top is best.
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Yes, top is best.
We will stick to top one, I don't believe inverted is gonna happen.
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Could we get an option for a regular Windows key?
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I suppose you can look at it like that.
But offering the reverse might also get you more orders by appealing to more people.
I agree with you but I'm looking at the inverted keyset right now and it's basically looking like a Black Miami.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/VZGPJvV.png)
I do like this :]
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Could we get an option for a regular Windows key?
Are you talking about the iconic Windows flag?
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I suppose you can look at it like that.
But offering the reverse might also get you more orders by appealing to more people.
I agree with you but I'm looking at the inverted keyset right now and it's basically looking like a Black Miami.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/VZGPJvV.png)
I do like this :]
Would match the KMAC pretty nicely though.
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Could we get an option for a regular Windows key?
Are you talking about the iconic Windows flag?
Win 8 Logo!
Also I like the idea of inverted alphas because it would look cool on the Ergodox.
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Could we get an option for a regular Windows key?
Are you talking about the iconic Windows flag?
Win 8 Logo!
Also I like the idea of inverted alphas because it would look cool on the Ergodox.
I'll se what I can do with the Win8 logo. I'm waiting SP to answer my e-mail regarding how many novelties will be viable.
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Could we get an option for a regular Windows key?
Are you talking about the iconic Windows flag?
Yup, just as an alternative to the Pulse symbol
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Do it DSA.
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Do it DSA.
I'm waiting for Melissa (SP) to answer, she were going to verify the profile possibilities for this set. I'll post her answer here as soon as I get it!
EDIT: To this set, I believe that DCS is going to be the best option. Because of the colors and the fancy/aggressive design of the keys. But it's on Melissa, we gotta wait. But you and a few others mentioned DSA so I'll definitely design a keyset for DSA. And I promess that it will look as sharp as PuLSE. Actually, it's already done, it's completely designed. It features another theme and color scheme. But I'll release it after PuLSE, most likely. I think people will love it.
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that blue is mesmerizing.
forgive me if i missed it, but which blue are you using from the SP's palette?
It's the BBJ tone.
thank you MiTo
great choice. looking forward to this.
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thank you MiTo
great choice. looking forward to this.
We will do it.
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Diggin this a lot
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I like it, i'd definitely be in for a set of base, alpha. novelties** and tsangan :)
However as a nurse, I can't say i'm a fan of the pulse logo, looks a bit like right bundle branch block :P(works great for the set though! don't change it ^_^)
Personal preference time: DSA with centered text would look amazing in my opinion, however if I recall, not many people are fans of that.
** why is it a standard for the tilde(~) and backslash(\) keys to be part of the alpha set (http://i.imgur.com/OkBYWaB.png), it's very nonsensical, and means we have to get the extra set (http://i.imgur.com/hbm8Qvf.png) to get it to look nice :P
Because a lot of people like this look (http://i.imgur.com/OkBYWaB.png). Also, by getting the Novelty Pack, you end up with a whole buch of fancy custom keys.
First of all thanks for the detailed feedback on every reply in your thread :thumb:
Concerning the above:
I don't see why adding these two keys to the Mod Set (like in every other GB) hurts anybody. It will be like ~2$ more and everybody has a choice.
People can still get this look (http://i.imgur.com/OkBYWaB.png) and simply have two spare keys. Right now all the people who prefer the symmetrical look have to get the ~30$-40$ Novelty Kit to get those 2 keys.
This might keep them from participating and contributing to MOQ!
Concerning the reverse sets: I like them as well, but I agree you would cannabalize your own GB. That's something for Round 2 if Round 1 is a success ;)
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When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this
[attachimg=1]
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I find it very difficult to really evaluate colourways on white backgrounds so did a quick comparison mock up:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/csft07y.jpg)
Personally I prefer the original (top).
The blue alpha legends really pop and act as highlights whereas the concentrated blue in the Inverted scheme seems overwhelming to me.
Edit: the inverted navigation keys do look pretty sweet though ...
I prefer the top as well, but I prefer the symbols (arrows, 6-key, top 3-key) being inverted. This is where having packs in reverse would be decent option for people. But, however it's done, looks really slick as a mock-up.
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When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this
(Attachment Link)
Pure sex here 8) .
If you're going to use icons put em on all the modifiers, because you said you want to use DCS, it should be real easy for SP.
ICONS is what makes SP so unique here, hence don't be afraid to use them :thumb: .
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When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this
(Attachment Link)
Yeah, this is the best looking one so far. While bright mods are nice, having reverse mod pack as an add-on could be great too.
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When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this
(Attachment Link)
Yeah, this is the best looking one so far. While bright mods are nice, having reverse mod pack as an add-on could be great too.
This isnt the best looking one so far. It looks like the midnight kit. Its better to focus on an idea, multiple pack will never get the MOQ.
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I'm posting this comment to let you guys know that I'm aware of the discussion regarding the inverted mods, icons and profile opinions. But I can't properly answer to these comments at the moment because I'm away from home and mobile sucks. Will come back tomorrow and answer every single comment as I always do. Keep bringing ideas and criticism, we will definitely make this GB happen.
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I will avoid this as DCS.
I would buy both sets [normal/inverse colors] as DoubleShot DSA or SA.
Pulse in SA gets my jimmies tingling.
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My vote is SA, and ergodox SA R3 modifiers would be nice as well.
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Pulse in SA gets my jimmies tingling.
If this could be done in SA then it goes without saying, it'll rock your goolies like nothing else can :o .
Unfortunately all icons aren't available for the SA profile which is really unfortunate, hence if you want this key-set done with icons then DCS is it.
Again having this done in SA profile would make me so happy but I know from previous experience, this place isn't here for my own personnel well being.
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Again having this done in SA profile would make me so happy but I know from previous experience, this place isn't here for my own personnel well being.
As long as you continue to support SA, I say this place should exclusively cater to your own well being :D
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What would be an estimate of the set pieces' prices? I am interested but wondering if this will cost a fortune.
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is it $45 to make a new mold, even in SA? or is that only for DCS
edit: not a new mold, a new legend mold
edit for clarification
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I like it, i'd definitely be in for a set of base, alpha. novelties** and tsangan :)
However as a nurse, I can't say i'm a fan of the pulse logo, looks a bit like right bundle branch block :P(works great for the set though! don't change it ^_^)
Personal preference time: DSA with centered text would look amazing in my opinion, however if I recall, not many people are fans of that.
** why is it a standard for the tilde(~) and backslash(\) keys to be part of the alpha set (http://i.imgur.com/OkBYWaB.png), it's very nonsensical, and means we have to get the extra set (http://i.imgur.com/hbm8Qvf.png) to get it to look nice :P
Because a lot of people like this look (http://i.imgur.com/OkBYWaB.png). Also, by getting the Novelty Pack, you end up with a whole buch of fancy custom keys.
First of all thanks for the detailed feedback on every reply in your thread :thumb:
Concerning the above:
I don't see why adding these two keys to the Mod Set (like in every other GB) hurts anybody. It will be like ~2$ more and everybody has a choice.
People can still get this look (http://i.imgur.com/OkBYWaB.png) and simply have two spare keys. Right now all the people who prefer the symmetrical look have to get the ~30$-40$ Novelty Kit to get those 2 keys.
This might keep them from participating and contributing to MOQ!
Concerning the reverse sets: I like them as well, but I agree you would cannabalize your own GB. That's something for Round 2 if Round 1 is a success ;)
I'm back home! Yes, I agree with everything you said. We can't make these reverted options in the way people suggested because it would conflict with the main color scheme MOQ. However, I'm willing to add inverted arrows and inverted WASD keys in two extra packs. Check OP soon because I'll update the main album. I'm talking to Melissa about SA profile and if it's possible to make the layout as SA as Penumbra. But I gotta mention that the costs of this set in SA would be high. Check OP for news.
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When I mentioned reverse mods I was thinking so a person could do this
(Attachment Link)
Nice suggestion, inverted arrows and WASD keys were added to the GB. Check OP for images.
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I find it very difficult to really evaluate colourways on white backgrounds so did a quick comparison mock up:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/csft07y.jpg)
Personally I prefer the original (top).
The blue alpha legends really pop and act as highlights whereas the concentrated blue in the Inverted scheme seems overwhelming to me.
Edit: the inverted navigation keys do look pretty sweet though ...
I prefer the top as well, but I prefer the symbols (arrows, 6-key, top 3-key) being inverted. This is where having packs in reverse would be decent option for people. But, however it's done, looks really slick as a mock-up.
I'm really glad you like it, inverted arrows and WASD packs were added to the GP. Check OP for images.
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What would be an estimate of the set pieces' prices? I am interested but wondering if this will cost a fortune.
Check OP for news about pricing and profile.
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for what its worth i think these really loan themselves to DCS, wouldn't Cherry Legends on SA require the fee to customize the legends on every key? plus there are SO many SA profile sets right now.
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is it $45 to make a new mold, even in SA? or is that only for DCS
edit: not a new mold, a new legend mold
edit for clarification
Yes it is.
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for what its worth i think these really loan themselves to DCS, wouldn't Cherry Legends on SA require the fee to customize the legends on every key? plus there are SO many SA profile sets right now.
I'll update OP for news about profile and pricing right now. Stand by.
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Has SA been extremely expensive for previous buys?
R4 + Penumbra are two that come to mind.
Why is it so expensive now?
Penumbra was $85 for the main pack, with base and mods.
https://ctrlalt.io/buys/penumbra-solarized
I'm terribly disappointed to hear this.
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Has SA been extremely expensive for previous buys?
R4 + Penumbra are two that come to mind.
Why is it so expensive now?
Penumbra was $85 for the main pack, with base and mods.
https://ctrlalt.io/buys/penumbra-solarized
I'm terribly disappointed to hear this.
Penumbra had no novelty keys, these do.
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Has SA been extremely expensive for previous buys?
R4 + Penumbra are two that come to mind.
Why is it so expensive now?
Penumbra was $85 for the main pack, with base and mods.
https://ctrlalt.io/buys/penumbra-solarized
I'm terribly disappointed to hear this.
Penumbra had no novelty keys, these do.
You're right GSimon, a SA/DSA set with the Cherry Replica Font is yet to be crowdfunded. They don't have DSA/SA molds for novelties nor Cherry Replica Font (for the Alphas and Base Mods). That's why it is so expensive. If you're gonna get a SA/DSA profile set with Signature Plastics, you'll most likely end with centered capitalized Base Mods and Big Centered Alphas.
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Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.
Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it. :-* You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.
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I would be in for a set of DCS, this looks awesome.
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I would be in for a set too. Do you choose the final grey ?
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i'm in for SA or DCS.
hopefully, the SA will hit the 50 mark
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Wow, Really looking forward to the Airborne DSA, can't wait to see the mockups on that one. I have been wanting to see similar colors in a DSA for awhile. I am envisioning the light grey as the color for the alphas with the red for the legends on the alphas. Then the blue color for the mods with the grey for the legends on those. Topped off with the red on the esc key with the blue for the legend. Hope I'm not too far off there. Regardless, it will be very different from this set so I will likely be down for getting both Pulse and Airborne for different boards. Great work here!
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Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.
Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it. :-* You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.
Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.
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Wow, Really looking forward to the Airborne DSA, can't wait to see the mockups on that one. I have been wanting to see similar colors in a DSA for awhile. I am envisioning the light grey as the color for the alphas with the red for the legends on the alphas. Then the blue color for the mods with the grey for the legends on those. Topped off with the red on the esc key with the blue for the legend. Hope I'm not too far off there. Regardless, it will be very different from this set so I will likely be down for getting both Pulse and Airborne for different boards. Great work here!
Stay in touch because I plan to release Airborne after PuLSE is done. I think you're going to like it, even though it's not exactly what you said.
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Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.
Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it. :-* You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.
Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.
Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.
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Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.
Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it. :-* You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.
Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.
Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.
$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.
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Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.
Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it. :-* You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.
Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.
Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.
$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.
So that would be $117 per set are you saying these prices
IF 50 KITS OF EACH WERE SOLD: $67 for the Alphas, $54 for Base Mods, $19 for the Novelties. Numpad would be $32, Tsangan $18 and ISO Pack $17.
Include the $117 and the price of the keys? Meaning the $207 total kit price would only be $90 if you used the standard legends?
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Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.
Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it. :-* You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.
Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.
Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.
$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.
So that would be $117 per set are you saying these prices
IF 50 KITS OF EACH WERE SOLD: $67 for the Alphas, $54 for Base Mods, $19 for the Novelties. Numpad would be $32, Tsangan $18 and ISO Pack $17.
Include the $117 and the price of the keys? Meaning the $207 total kit price would only be $90 if you used the standard legends?
Standard Legend prices would be $154 for a full kit. And by Standard Legends, I'm talking about Signature Plastics Standard Legends which look like Arial according to Melissa. If we go DCS, the prices would be pretty much the same as Midnight, I think. Waiting for Melissa to answer, but she already mentioned something like that.
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Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.
Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it. :-* You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.
Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.
Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.
$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.
So that would be $117 per set are you saying these prices
IF 50 KITS OF EACH WERE SOLD: $67 for the Alphas, $54 for Base Mods, $19 for the Novelties. Numpad would be $32, Tsangan $18 and ISO Pack $17.
Include the $117 and the price of the keys? Meaning the $207 total kit price would only be $90 if you used the standard legends?
Standard Legend prices would be $154 for a full kit. And by Standard Legends, I'm talking about Signature Plastics Standard Legends which look like Arial according to Melissa.
So if the stadard price is $154 then don't you have to add the $117 @ 50 sets for the new legends to that price?
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Thanks for clarifying. So at that set price, it would be for SA with Cherry legends?
Because that sounds amazing.
Edit: I'm running out for some food. But if that's the price for SA with cherry legends, I say take the 50 MOQ and freaking do it. :-* You'd be a hero; you could count me in for 2 of each kit.
Yes, these are the prices for the PuLSE Keyset on SA profile with Cherry Replica Font legends. The first keyset to be ever done in SA profile with Cherry Legends. I know, it's expensive, but you guys are really making me wanna do it. I am strongly considering SA and I'm thinking how could we reach 50 MOQ.
Wouldn't it costs $45 per key to get the legends cut on top of the normal price of the keys? It seems like the price should be much higher than that.
$45 per key. 130 new legends @ $45 each = $5,850. We need 50 people MOQ to make this viable as I mentioned in the second EDIT of OP.
So that would be $117 per set are you saying these prices
IF 50 KITS OF EACH WERE SOLD: $67 for the Alphas, $54 for Base Mods, $19 for the Novelties. Numpad would be $32, Tsangan $18 and ISO Pack $17.
Include the $117 and the price of the keys? Meaning the $207 total kit price would only be $90 if you used the standard legends?
Standard Legend prices would be $154 for a full kit. And by Standard Legends, I'm talking about Signature Plastics Standard Legends which look like Arial according to Melissa.
So if the stadard price is $154 then don't you have to add the $117 @ 50 sets for the new legends to that price?
That's what I thought too. But look at what she answered.
(http://i.imgur.com/jCq96Om.png)
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Ok so @ 50 sets it looks like $121 (old legends [including $19 for new legends for novelty kit], so $102 without novelty kit) vs $207 new legends.
That would be ~$4300 towards new legends instead of $5850 not sure how that math works, maybe its my calculator. :-\
BUT that is good info to see, thank you for sharing it. :thumb:
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Ok so @ 50 sets it looks like $121 (old legends [including $19 for new legends for novelty kit], so $102 without novelty kit) vs $207 new legends.
That would be ~$4300 towards new legends instead of $5850 not sure how that math works, maybe its my calculator. :-\
BUT that is good info to see, thank you for sharing it. :thumb:
I think maybe it's related to manufacturing, or their profit, I don't really know why your numbers are pointing to $4,300. I'm on mobile and can't calculate atm.
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Ok so @ 50 sets it looks like $121 (old legends [including $19 for new legends for novelty kit], so $102 without novelty kit) vs $207 new legends.
That would be ~$4300 towards new legends instead of $5850 not sure how that math works, maybe its my calculator. :-\
BUT that is good info to see, thank you for sharing it. :thumb:
I think maybe it's related to manufacturing, or their profit, I don't really know why your numbers are pointing to $4,300. I'm on mobile and can't calculate atm.
I took the $207 - $121 = $86 x 50 sets = $4300 in the price difference
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Ok so @ 50 sets it looks like $121 (old legends [including $19 for new legends for novelty kit], so $102 without novelty kit) vs $207 new legends.
That would be ~$4300 towards new legends instead of $5850 not sure how that math works, maybe its my calculator. :-\
BUT that is good info to see, thank you for sharing it. :thumb:
I think maybe it's related to manufacturing, or their profit, I don't really know why your numbers are pointing to $4,300. I'm on mobile and can't calculate atm.
I took the $207 - $121 = $86 x 50 sets = $4300 in the price difference
Basically, adding my custom icons and the Cherry Replica Font legends would add $90 to the full set from what I understood. Hence, $207 for a full PuLSE SA.
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For Pulse, I think I'd be in for DSA or DCS. Will wait for the final decision.
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
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Just saw your update. I'd pay a little more for SA. DCS doesn't interest me at the moment.
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
Haha, finally an ally for my begging for these two keys in the Mod Kit ;)
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I would go for DCS but not SA. That is way too expensive for me :(
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For Pulse, I think I'd be in for DSA or DCS. Will wait for the final decision.
Thank you for your support.
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
Haha, finally an ally for my begging for these two keys in the Mod Kit ;)
By following the Midnight and Toxic format, both keys are sold separately. This is done because extras in a Base Mod doesn't make sense, since the standard format is not symmetric. I'd call symmetry as an extra feature, in this case. I need more people supporting this idea in order to implement it. Would you guys buy the novelties, even with the mentioned keys on the Base Mods pack?
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Just saw your update. I'd pay a little more for SA. DCS doesn't interest me at the moment.
I'm glad you're in, a lot of people requested PuLSE in SA, recently.
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I would go for DCS but not SA. That is way too expensive for me :(
Let's wait for the votes!
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
Haha, finally an ally for my begging for these two keys in the Mod Kit ;)
By following the Midnight and Toxic format, both keys are sold separately. This is done because extras in a Base Mod doesn't make sense, since the standard format is not symmetric. I'd call symmetry as an extra feature, in this case. I need more people supporting this idea in order to implement it. Would you guys buy the novelties, even with the mentioned keys on the Base Mods pack?
I might buy the novelties, and if I do, it would be solely for symmetry. It would be nice to have those 2 extra keys in the Base Mod.
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
Haha, finally an ally for my begging for these two keys in the Mod Kit ;)
By following the Midnight and Toxic format, both keys are sold separately. This is done because extras in a Base Mod doesn't make sense, since the standard format is not symmetric. I'd call symmetry as an extra feature, in this case. I need more people supporting this idea in order to implement it. Would you guys buy the novelties, even with the mentioned keys on the Base Mods pack?
I'll check that with Melissa.
I might buy the novelties, and if I do, it would be solely for symmetry. It would be nice to have those 2 extra keys in the Base Mod.
Let's see what happens first.
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SA profile confirmed.
After you guys blow this vote button, SP will schedule our GB to start according to their production.
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
Haha, finally an ally for my begging for these two keys in the Mod Kit ;)
By following the Midnight and Toxic format, both keys are sold separately. This is done because extras in a Base Mod doesn't make sense, since the standard format is not symmetric. I'd call symmetry as an extra feature, in this case. I need more people supporting this idea in order to implement it. Would you guys buy the novelties, even with the mentioned keys on the Base Mods pack?
urm, i think you are mistaken? :-X
this is midnight's base mod. whatever keys you see in the picture are sold in this base mod.
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/midnight-modifiers.png)
this is toxic's base mod.
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/29/8bbf741dd8ec45b39a82a8e85057c232.png)
this is raindrop's base mod.
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/10/019fa074b38b3874558efe5335a32502.png)
this is granite's common kit, matt does differently by including those 2 keys in the common/alpha kit instead.
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1-common.png)
all i'm trying to say is, the `~ and \| modifier colored keys are included in the base mod most of the time.
your novelty kit is part of the big attraction in your design set, i'm pretty sure a lot of people would get them even if you take out the ~ and \ key from the novelty set.
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
Haha, finally an ally for my begging for these two keys in the Mod Kit ;)
By following the Midnight and Toxic format, both keys are sold separately. This is done because extras in a Base Mod doesn't make sense, since the standard format is not symmetric. I'd call symmetry as an extra feature, in this case. I need more people supporting this idea in order to implement it. Would you guys buy the novelties, even with the mentioned keys on the Base Mods pack?
urm, i think you are mistaken? :-X
this is midnight's base mod. whatever keys you see in the picture are sold in this base mod.
Show Image
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/midnight-modifiers.png)
this is toxic's base mod.
Show Image
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/29/8bbf741dd8ec45b39a82a8e85057c232.png)
this is raindrop's base mod.
Show Image
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/10/019fa074b38b3874558efe5335a32502.png)
this is granite's common kit, matt does differently by including those 2 keys in the common/alpha kit instead.
Show Image
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1-common.png)
all i'm trying to say is, the `~ and \| modifier colored keys are included in the base mod most of the time.
your novelty kit is part of the big attraction in your design set, i'm pretty sure a lot of people would get them even if you take out the ~ and \ key from the novelty set.
What were I thinking, you're completely correct. I'll add these keys to the Base Mods. But I'm afraid it would hurt Novelty sales and yet, I don't think it's fair to pay the Novelty price just because of these 2 keys. Decisions to make.
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
Haha, finally an ally for my begging for these two keys in the Mod Kit ;)
By following the Midnight and Toxic format, both keys are sold separately. This is done because extras in a Base Mod doesn't make sense, since the standard format is not symmetric. I'd call symmetry as an extra feature, in this case. I need more people supporting this idea in order to implement it. Would you guys buy the novelties, even with the mentioned keys on the Base Mods pack?
urm, i think you are mistaken? :-X
this is midnight's base mod. whatever keys you see in the picture are sold in this base mod.
Show Image
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/midnight-modifiers.png)
this is toxic's base mod.
Show Image
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/29/8bbf741dd8ec45b39a82a8e85057c232.png)
this is raindrop's base mod.
Show Image
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/10/019fa074b38b3874558efe5335a32502.png)
this is granite's common kit, matt does differently by including those 2 keys in the common/alpha kit instead.
Show Image
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1-common.png)
all i'm trying to say is, the `~ and \| modifier colored keys are included in the base mod most of the time.
your novelty kit is part of the big attraction in your design set, i'm pretty sure a lot of people would get them even if you take out the ~ and \ key from the novelty set.
What were I thinking, you're completely correct. I'll add these keys to the Base Mods. But I'm afraid it would hurt Novelty sales and yet, I don't think it's fair to pay the Novelty price just because of these 2 keys. Decisions to make.
i understand that dilemma as well :(
by taking out that 2 keys it will somehow affect the sales on the novelty kit.
but if it's at 50 sets, it'll be $19, which isn't too bad. by taking out that 2 keys, it'll drop the price for the novelty kit a bit maybe? also, i'm not sure if you did mention it anywhere, but that "loud speaker" icon key i believe is a centre stem stepped capslock? :)
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
Haha, finally an ally for my begging for these two keys in the Mod Kit ;)
By following the Midnight and Toxic format, both keys are sold separately. This is done because extras in a Base Mod doesn't make sense, since the standard format is not symmetric. I'd call symmetry as an extra feature, in this case. I need more people supporting this idea in order to implement it. Would you guys buy the novelties, even with the mentioned keys on the Base Mods pack?
urm, i think you are mistaken? :-X
this is midnight's base mod. whatever keys you see in the picture are sold in this base mod.
Show Image
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/midnight-modifiers.png)
this is toxic's base mod.
Show Image
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/29/8bbf741dd8ec45b39a82a8e85057c232.png)
this is raindrop's base mod.
Show Image
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/10/019fa074b38b3874558efe5335a32502.png)
this is granite's common kit, matt does differently by including those 2 keys in the common/alpha kit instead.
Show Image
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1-common.png)
all i'm trying to say is, the `~ and \| modifier colored keys are included in the base mod most of the time.
your novelty kit is part of the big attraction in your design set, i'm pretty sure a lot of people would get them even if you take out the ~ and \ key from the novelty set.
What were I thinking, you're completely correct. I'll add these keys to the Base Mods. But I'm afraid it would hurt Novelty sales and yet, I don't think it's fair to pay the Novelty price just because of these 2 keys. Decisions to make.
i understand that dilemma as well :(
by taking out that 2 keys it will somehow affect the sales on the novelty kit.
but if it's at 50 sets, it'll be $19, which isn't too bad. by taking out that 2 keys, it'll drop the price for the novelty kit a bit maybe? also, i'm not sure if you did mention it anywhere, but that "loud speaker" icon key i believe is a centre stem stepped capslock? :)
But I'm not sure if Novelties can make it to 50 orders. Yes, stepped CapsLock.
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Regarding the ErgoDox requests, I need somebody to point me how many keys are needed for an Ergo Pack. Please, include dimensions in the reply as I never touched those things.
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Regarding the ErgoDox requests, I need somebody to point me how many keys are needed for an Ergo Pack. Please, include dimensions in the reply as I never touched those things.
The blank ones are the one needed for ergodox.
12 x 1.5u
20 x 1u
4 x 2u
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i'm not sure how your keyset row setup is like. but do take note about it for the 1.5u keys beside 1 Q A Z and 0 P ; /
maybe more people should chip in for this, i'm not too familiar with SA keyset on ergodox.
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I just want you to know that I'm CRAZY HYPE.
And will be buying the **** out of SA with cherry legends.
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Regarding the ErgoDox requests, I need somebody to point me how many keys are needed for an Ergo Pack. Please, include dimensions in the reply as I never touched those things.
The blank ones are the one needed for ergodox.
12 x 1.5u
20 x 1u
4 x 2u
(Attachment Link)
i'm not sure how your keyset row setup is like. but do take note about it for the 1.5u keys beside 1 Q A Z and 0 P ; /
maybe more people should chip in for this, i'm not too familiar with SA keyset on ergodox.
Usually it's just the 12 x 1.5u and 4 x 2u in ergodox child buys. The extra 1u caps are excluded to save on costs and can be taken from the novelty or base mods. Something like this might help with legends.
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Interested in Base mods with Tsangan. Would be awesome to see Cherry Legends on SA, that way we'd have another source for thick Cherry caps.
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will the base mods set have ~` and \| key as well?
i saw them in the novelty kits, but most, if not all, base mod kit have these 2 keys in it instead of separating them out to another kit.
Haha, finally an ally for my begging for these two keys in the Mod Kit ;)
By following the Midnight and Toxic format, both keys are sold separately. This is done because extras in a Base Mod doesn't make sense, since the standard format is not symmetric. I'd call symmetry as an extra feature, in this case. I need more people supporting this idea in order to implement it. Would you guys buy the novelties, even with the mentioned keys on the Base Mods pack?
urm, i think you are mistaken? :-X
this is midnight's base mod. whatever keys you see in the picture are sold in this base mod.
Show Image
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/midnight-modifiers.png)
this is toxic's base mod.
Show Image
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/29/8bbf741dd8ec45b39a82a8e85057c232.png)
this is raindrop's base mod.
Show Image
(https://d1aoqdsbsuo9t3.cloudfront.net/uploads/item_image/file/10/019fa074b38b3874558efe5335a32502.png)
this is granite's common kit, matt does differently by including those 2 keys in the common/alpha kit instead.
Show Image
(http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1-common.png)
all i'm trying to say is, the `~ and \| modifier colored keys are included in the base mod most of the time.
your novelty kit is part of the big attraction in your design set, i'm pretty sure a lot of people would get them even if you take out the ~ and \ key from the novelty set.
What were I thinking, you're completely correct. I'll add these keys to the Base Mods. But I'm afraid it would hurt Novelty sales and yet, I don't think it's fair to pay the Novelty price just because of these 2 keys. Decisions to make.
Thanks for this :thumb:
But since this is going to be SA now, I'll have to pass. Not a big fan of that profile for typing. Maybe you can do a Round 2 in DCS or DSA later!
I still wish you all the best for your GB and hope people keep their word and still be so enthusiastic about SA if they see the final price tag. This will be one of the most expensive sets out there and unfortunately we have seen too many people back out from cheaper GBs...
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
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Of course just voted for this on PMK's site.
Anything to do with SA profile I'm there fast. Hope this gets made soon :thumb: .
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
This. I piped up about paying for one of the legends earlier.
If we are all paying for these molds, they are OUR molds, as a keyboard community.
I believe rights should be given to the community in the way of a representative.
They should be a neutral party though, I don't want to see a key set be disallowed to use the cherry font because of some personal gripe.
If Hashbaz has been diligent in this duty, then so be it.
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Bunny pointed out something really important. I'll talk about this situation in a few hours.
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact EMAIL REDACTED). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
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I have an estimated date for the Group Buy to start. Should I move this thread to the Group Buys forum for maximum support and visibility?
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Might want to edit out that email address.
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact NO PERSONAL INFORMATION). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
this is exactly what i was afraid of
each legend for the cherry font on SA is different to dcs, what you are asking is this community to buy YOU these legends, and that is the problem, if YOU want to own the legends, YOU should buy them, in which case, there would be ZERO additional cost per set for anybody taking part in this GB
what you are asking is essentially for this community to pay you $5000 in goods for running this
your response is precisely what i was warning against
however let me be very clear, as much as you say you would give permission for anybody to use these legends, firstly, who knows if that will change down the line, secondly, people shouldnt have to seek permission to use something that they as a community paid for
what i would propose is this
if you would like to own these legends, simply pay for them, then they are yours to do with as you please, and it would significantly reduce the cost of this set for everyone
alternatively
continue as is, and crowdsource the funding for these legends with the additional fee in the GB, but have all legends signed over to hashbaz, to be made part of the cherry replica font project
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That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects.
He said they could both own them.
Crowd source it and add it to the repository [in hashbaz dropbox?]
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That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects.
He said they could both own them.
Crowd source it and add it to the repository [in hashbaz dropbox?]
i dont think you get how it works, we are not talking about files here
these are physical things, that a person owns
he is referring to the files used to make them
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Might want to edit out that email address.
I couldn't hide it before, I freaking hate using mobile because of stuff like that. His mail wasn't supposed to be showing and many more editions were supposed to be showing. Now they're gone because I did the edits on mobile.
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact NO PERSONAL INFORMATION). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
this is exactly what i was afraid of
each legend for the cherry font on SA is different to dcs, what you are asking is this community to buy YOU these legends, and that is the problem, if YOU want to own the legends, YOU should buy them, in which case, there would be ZERO additional cost per set for anybody taking part in this GB
what you are asking is essentially for this community to pay you $5000 in goods for running this
your response is precisely what i was warning against
however let me be very clear, as much as you say you would give permission for anybody to use these legends, firstly, who knows if that will change down the line, secondly, people shouldnt have to seek permission to use something that they as a community paid for
what i would propose is this
if you would like to own these legends, simply pay for them, then they are yours to do with as you please, and it would significantly reduce the cost of this set for everyone
alternatively
continue as is, and crowdsource the funding for these legends with the additional fee in the GB, but have all legends signed over to hashbaz, to be made part of the cherry replica font project
Bunny, let me begin by saying that I don't like your aggresive approach towards me and what I'm planning to do at all.
I'm not "asking for people to pay me $5000 in goods for running this" or "want to own the legends". I want to own the DESIGN of the legends. The drawings, not physical stuff.
I'm strictly talking about design when I say that I want people to at least request permission to use my custom drawings (I'm talking about icons). I'm the one who spent a decent amount of time drawing the icons in front of my screen and I wanted at least some recognition by doing that, and what I mean is that I do want people warning me that they're gonna use my stuff like:
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
This.
Nothing else. I don't even live in America and can't hold physical molds even if I wanted to because I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I'm brazilian and I'm a keyboard enthusiast. I wanted to draw and crowdfund something beautiful and unique, nothing else. PuLSE is the result of that. I'm not planning on owning pieces of plastic with industrial usage. I just want to have rights over design, like hash.
I hereby declare that I'm absolutely fine with the molds being shipped to hashbaz (SP will be warned) and that I do not want people buying me $5000 in goods like you mentioned. If the Cherry Replica Project exists like you mentioned, I'd like to be a part of it as the creator of some custom designs featured in it.
Also, I'll state again that I was talking about files when I proposed a dual-holding.
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact NO PERSONAL INFORMATION). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
this is exactly what i was afraid of
each legend for the cherry font on SA is different to dcs, what you are asking is this community to buy YOU these legends, and that is the problem, if YOU want to own the legends, YOU should buy them, in which case, there would be ZERO additional cost per set for anybody taking part in this GB
what you are asking is essentially for this community to pay you $5000 in goods for running this
your response is precisely what i was warning against
however let me be very clear, as much as you say you would give permission for anybody to use these legends, firstly, who knows if that will change down the line, secondly, people shouldnt have to seek permission to use something that they as a community paid for
what i would propose is this
if you would like to own these legends, simply pay for them, then they are yours to do with as you please, and it would significantly reduce the cost of this set for everyone
alternatively
continue as is, and crowdsource the funding for these legends with the additional fee in the GB, but have all legends signed over to hashbaz, to be made part of the cherry replica font project
Bunny, let me begin by saying that I don't like your aggresive approach towards me and what I'm planning to do at all.
I'm not "asking for people to pay me $5000 in goods for running this" or "want to own the legends". I want to own the DESIGN of the legends. The drawings, not physical stuff.
I'm strictly talking about design when I say that I want people to at least request permission to use my custom drawings (I'm talking about icons). I'm the one who spent a decent amount of time drawing the icons in front of my screen and I wanted at least some recognition by doing that, and what I mean is that I do want people warning me that they're gonna use my stuff like:
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
This.
Nothing else. I don't even live in America and can't hold physical molds even if I wanted to because I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I'm brazilian and I'm a keyboard enthusiast. I wanted to draw and crowdfund something beautiful and unique, nothing else. PuLSE is the result of that. I'm not planning on owning pieces of plastic with industrial usage. I just want to have rights over design, like hash.
I hereby declare that I'm absolutely fine with the molds being shipped to hashbaz (SP will be warned) and that I do not want people buying me $5000 in goods like you mentioned. If the Cherry Replica Project exists like you mentioned, I'd like to be a part of it as the creator of some custom designs featured in it.
Also, I'll state again that I was talking about files when I proposed a dual-holding.
the moulds dont get shipped anywhere, they are held by SP, what i was stating is the person that owns them should be hashbaz, as the commmunity would be paying for them, i wasnt being aggressive, i was having to be matter of fact as it seemed you didnt understand my previous message at all, however it is now clear you just didnt have an understanding of the concept of what was going to happen, so it is good i have brought it to light, as it is very important
im not sure why you are talking about drawings, im not sure how relevant owning a picture of a font is
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MiTo, if you want to own the rights to the legends that you actually drew (the bullhorn, for example), then the community should not be paying for them.
The Cherry Legends, however, are a different animal. What you're suggesting (unless I'm misunderstanding) is that we pay to have them cut in a different profile, but then you would own them as well. This is what is creating the dilemma. Since the Cherry Legend project was very much a community effort, we want to keep that in the hands of the community (in this case, hashbaz).
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MiTo, if you want to own the rights to the legends that you actually drew (the bullhorn, for example), then the community should not be paying for them.
The Cherry Legends, however, are a different animal. What you're suggesting (unless I'm misunderstanding) is that we pay to have them cut in a different profile, but then you would own them as well. This is what is creating the dilemma. Since the Cherry Legend project was very much a community effort, we want to keep that in the hands of the community (in this case, hashbaz).
this is exactly correct, nobody is being aggressive with you, you have just shown you dont have an understanding of what is happening
we arent concerned about any drawing you have done for novelty legends, but the cherry legends being cut in SA is very important, and that is all im trying to stress, and lock down what exactly is happening
to be clear, any files or pictures mean absolutely nothing, but those files get used to cut a physical legend, now, even if someone else has that picture, SP wont cut that legend again, that first one that is cut, is owned by someone, and it is up to them who can and cant use it, what we want to make sure, is that if the community pays for these legends, they stay within the community, and the best way to achieve that, is to sign them over to hasbaz once they are made
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact NO PERSONAL INFORMATION). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
this is exactly what i was afraid of
each legend for the cherry font on SA is different to dcs, what you are asking is this community to buy YOU these legends, and that is the problem, if YOU want to own the legends, YOU should buy them, in which case, there would be ZERO additional cost per set for anybody taking part in this GB
what you are asking is essentially for this community to pay you $5000 in goods for running this
your response is precisely what i was warning against
however let me be very clear, as much as you say you would give permission for anybody to use these legends, firstly, who knows if that will change down the line, secondly, people shouldnt have to seek permission to use something that they as a community paid for
what i would propose is this
if you would like to own these legends, simply pay for them, then they are yours to do with as you please, and it would significantly reduce the cost of this set for everyone
alternatively
continue as is, and crowdsource the funding for these legends with the additional fee in the GB, but have all legends signed over to hashbaz, to be made part of the cherry replica font project
Bunny, let me begin by saying that I don't like your aggresive approach towards me and what I'm planning to do at all.
I'm not "asking for people to pay me $5000 in goods for running this" or "want to own the legends". I want to own the DESIGN of the legends. The drawings, not physical stuff.
I'm strictly talking about design when I say that I want people to at least request permission to use my custom drawings (I'm talking about icons). I'm the one who spent a decent amount of time drawing the icons in front of my screen and I wanted at least some recognition by doing that, and what I mean is that I do want people warning me that they're gonna use my stuff like:
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
This.
Nothing else. I don't even live in America and can't hold physical molds even if I wanted to because I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I'm brazilian and I'm a keyboard enthusiast. I wanted to draw and crowdfund something beautiful and unique, nothing else. PuLSE is the result of that. I'm not planning on owning pieces of plastic with industrial usage. I just want to have rights over design, like hash.
I hereby declare that I'm absolutely fine with the molds being shipped to hashbaz (SP will be warned) and that I do not want people buying me $5000 in goods like you mentioned. If the Cherry Replica Project exists like you mentioned, I'd like to be a part of it as the creator of some custom designs featured in it.
Also, I'll state again that I was talking about files when I proposed a dual-holding.
the moulds dont get shipped anywhere, they are held by SP, what i was stating is the person that owns them should be hashbaz, as the commmunity would be paying for them, i wasnt being aggressive, i was having to be matter of fact as it seemed you didnt understand my previous message at all, however it is now clear you just didnt have an understanding of the concept of what was going to happen, so it is good i have brought it to light, as it is very important
im not sure why you are talking about drawings, im not sure how relevant owning a picture of a font is
EDIT: Hoffman cleared the situation. Check reply below.
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"what we want to make sure, is that if the community pays for these legends, they stay within the community, and the best way to achieve that, is to sign them over to hasbaz once they are made"
I strongly agree with this. We can totally sign them to hash as I support the legends being held by our community 100%.
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MiTo, if you want to own the rights to the legends that you actually drew (the bullhorn, for example), then the community should not be paying for them.
The Cherry Legends, however, are a different animal. What you're suggesting (unless I'm misunderstanding) is that we pay to have them cut in a different profile, but then you would own them as well. This is what is creating the dilemma. Since the Cherry Legend project was very much a community effort, we want to keep that in the hands of the community (in this case, hashbaz).
I just want to be warned, nothing else. And I want my work to be held by the community because it's ours and not other people's.
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It isn't the bullhorn. It is the common characters that could/would be used across MANY sets in the future. You baking the price of ALL those legends into the GB and then retaining rights to ALL of them is the problem. We're talking on the whole, not your single novelty designs.
For example, when trying to get the cherry replica set going at first, people were individually "adopting" a letter or other legend by donating.
Are you understanding this any more yet?
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact NO PERSONAL INFORMATION). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
this is exactly what i was afraid of
each legend for the cherry font on SA is different to dcs, what you are asking is this community to buy YOU these legends, and that is the problem, if YOU want to own the legends, YOU should buy them, in which case, there would be ZERO additional cost per set for anybody taking part in this GB
what you are asking is essentially for this community to pay you $5000 in goods for running this
your response is precisely what i was warning against
however let me be very clear, as much as you say you would give permission for anybody to use these legends, firstly, who knows if that will change down the line, secondly, people shouldnt have to seek permission to use something that they as a community paid for
what i would propose is this
if you would like to own these legends, simply pay for them, then they are yours to do with as you please, and it would significantly reduce the cost of this set for everyone
alternatively
continue as is, and crowdsource the funding for these legends with the additional fee in the GB, but have all legends signed over to hashbaz, to be made part of the cherry replica font project
Bunny, let me begin by saying that I don't like your aggresive approach towards me and what I'm planning to do at all.
I'm not "asking for people to pay me $5000 in goods for running this" or "want to own the legends". I want to own the DESIGN of the legends. The drawings, not physical stuff.
I'm strictly talking about design when I say that I want people to at least request permission to use my custom drawings (I'm talking about icons). I'm the one who spent a decent amount of time drawing the icons in front of my screen and I wanted at least some recognition by doing that, and what I mean is that I do want people warning me that they're gonna use my stuff like:
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
This.
Nothing else. I don't even live in America and can't hold physical molds even if I wanted to because I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I'm brazilian and I'm a keyboard enthusiast. I wanted to draw and crowdfund something beautiful and unique, nothing else. PuLSE is the result of that. I'm not planning on owning pieces of plastic with industrial usage. I just want to have rights over design, like hash.
I hereby declare that I'm absolutely fine with the molds being shipped to hashbaz (SP will be warned) and that I do not want people buying me $5000 in goods like you mentioned. If the Cherry Replica Project exists like you mentioned, I'd like to be a part of it as the creator of some custom designs featured in it.
Also, I'll state again that I was talking about files when I proposed a dual-holding.
the moulds dont get shipped anywhere, they are held by SP, what i was stating is the person that owns them should be hashbaz, as the commmunity would be paying for them, i wasnt being aggressive, i was having to be matter of fact as it seemed you didnt understand my previous message at all, however it is now clear you just didnt have an understanding of the concept of what was going to happen, so it is good i have brought it to light, as it is very important
im not sure why you are talking about drawings, im not sure how relevant owning a picture of a font is
If they are not shipped to anyone, why did you say that the "community would be buying me $5000 in goods"? And why hashbaz and not hashbaz and me since I designed a lot of stuff? Dude, I'd say a loud and clear "YES" to EVERYBODY who request permission to use the legends. I want to be warned because the drawings are mine. Just WARNED. Nothing else. I just want to be aware of what kind of keyset is using my icons, because I want to be proud of other people's work featuring my stuff. A simple
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
is enough. If you really want hashbaz to hold it because you guys have a strong financial interest in it, well, what can I do?
to be clear, you arent designing the cherry legends, you are using the svgs hashbaz worked on right, which are a replica of the cherry legends, they are not your design, if you want to make novelty keys outside of the cherry legends, that is totally fine and nobody has an issue with that
if you use hashbaz's files, which you said you took from his drop box, for the cherry replica legends, and we as a community pay for those to be made, i cant see why for any reason, anyone would or should need to ask your permission to use them
this has been a community project for a long time, one myself and many others have contributed a lot of time money and effort in to, and we are simply trying to protect that
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It isn't the bullhorn. It is the common characters that could/would be used across MANY sets in the future. You baking the price of ALL those legends into the GB and then retaining rights to ALL of them is the problem. We're talking on the whole, not your single novelty designs.
For example, when trying to get the cherry replica set going at first, people were individually "adopting" a letter or other legend by donating.
Are you understanding this any more yet?
Understood, Hoffman cleared everything. The common characters will be available for future usage and the novelties too, if people want them. Hashbaz can hold it in order to make sure it will stay with us.
If it tips, SA profile with Cherry Legends would be insanely cheaper.
Imagine how GREAT that would be. PuLSE would be remembered as the first ever to feature it as it oppened the doors for other amazing projects.
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact NO PERSONAL INFORMATION). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
this is exactly what i was afraid of
each legend for the cherry font on SA is different to dcs, what you are asking is this community to buy YOU these legends, and that is the problem, if YOU want to own the legends, YOU should buy them, in which case, there would be ZERO additional cost per set for anybody taking part in this GB
what you are asking is essentially for this community to pay you $5000 in goods for running this
your response is precisely what i was warning against
however let me be very clear, as much as you say you would give permission for anybody to use these legends, firstly, who knows if that will change down the line, secondly, people shouldnt have to seek permission to use something that they as a community paid for
what i would propose is this
if you would like to own these legends, simply pay for them, then they are yours to do with as you please, and it would significantly reduce the cost of this set for everyone
alternatively
continue as is, and crowdsource the funding for these legends with the additional fee in the GB, but have all legends signed over to hashbaz, to be made part of the cherry replica font project
Bunny, let me begin by saying that I don't like your aggresive approach towards me and what I'm planning to do at all.
I'm not "asking for people to pay me $5000 in goods for running this" or "want to own the legends". I want to own the DESIGN of the legends. The drawings, not physical stuff.
I'm strictly talking about design when I say that I want people to at least request permission to use my custom drawings (I'm talking about icons). I'm the one who spent a decent amount of time drawing the icons in front of my screen and I wanted at least some recognition by doing that, and what I mean is that I do want people warning me that they're gonna use my stuff like:
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
This.
Nothing else. I don't even live in America and can't hold physical molds even if I wanted to because I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I'm brazilian and I'm a keyboard enthusiast. I wanted to draw and crowdfund something beautiful and unique, nothing else. PuLSE is the result of that. I'm not planning on owning pieces of plastic with industrial usage. I just want to have rights over design, like hash.
I hereby declare that I'm absolutely fine with the molds being shipped to hashbaz (SP will be warned) and that I do not want people buying me $5000 in goods like you mentioned. If the Cherry Replica Project exists like you mentioned, I'd like to be a part of it as the creator of some custom designs featured in it.
Also, I'll state again that I was talking about files when I proposed a dual-holding.
the moulds dont get shipped anywhere, they are held by SP, what i was stating is the person that owns them should be hashbaz, as the commmunity would be paying for them, i wasnt being aggressive, i was having to be matter of fact as it seemed you didnt understand my previous message at all, however it is now clear you just didnt have an understanding of the concept of what was going to happen, so it is good i have brought it to light, as it is very important
im not sure why you are talking about drawings, im not sure how relevant owning a picture of a font is
If they are not shipped to anyone, why did you say that the "community would be buying me $5000 in goods"? And why hashbaz and not hashbaz and me since I designed a lot of stuff? Dude, I'd say a loud and clear "YES" to EVERYBODY who request permission to use the legends. I want to be warned because the drawings are mine. Just WARNED. Nothing else. I just want to be aware of what kind of keyset is using my icons, because I want to be proud of other people's work featuring my stuff. A simple
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
is enough. If you really want hashbaz to hold it because you guys have a strong financial interest in it, well, what can I do?
to be clear, you arent designing the cherry legends, you are using the svgs hashbaz worked on right, which are a replica of the cherry legends, they are not your design, if you want to make novelty keys outside of the cherry legends, that is totally fine and nobody has an issue with that
if you use hashbaz's files, which you said you took from his drop box, for the cherry replica legends, and we as a community pay for those to be made, i cant see why for any reason, anyone would or should need to ask your permission to use them
this has been a community project for a long time, one myself and many others have contributed a lot of time money and effort in to, and we are simply trying to protect that
It's already protected as I agreed with the terms since hashbaz first emailed me. Permission for the Novelties will be easy to get too, I'll hold'em on a separate .svg.
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact NO PERSONAL INFORMATION). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
this is exactly what i was afraid of
each legend for the cherry font on SA is different to dcs, what you are asking is this community to buy YOU these legends, and that is the problem, if YOU want to own the legends, YOU should buy them, in which case, there would be ZERO additional cost per set for anybody taking part in this GB
what you are asking is essentially for this community to pay you $5000 in goods for running this
your response is precisely what i was warning against
however let me be very clear, as much as you say you would give permission for anybody to use these legends, firstly, who knows if that will change down the line, secondly, people shouldnt have to seek permission to use something that they as a community paid for
what i would propose is this
if you would like to own these legends, simply pay for them, then they are yours to do with as you please, and it would significantly reduce the cost of this set for everyone
alternatively
continue as is, and crowdsource the funding for these legends with the additional fee in the GB, but have all legends signed over to hashbaz, to be made part of the cherry replica font project
Bunny, let me begin by saying that I don't like your aggresive approach towards me and what I'm planning to do at all.
I'm not "asking for people to pay me $5000 in goods for running this" or "want to own the legends". I want to own the DESIGN of the legends. The drawings, not physical stuff.
I'm strictly talking about design when I say that I want people to at least request permission to use my custom drawings (I'm talking about icons). I'm the one who spent a decent amount of time drawing the icons in front of my screen and I wanted at least some recognition by doing that, and what I mean is that I do want people warning me that they're gonna use my stuff like:
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
This.
Nothing else. I don't even live in America and can't hold physical molds even if I wanted to because I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I'm brazilian and I'm a keyboard enthusiast. I wanted to draw and crowdfund something beautiful and unique, nothing else. PuLSE is the result of that. I'm not planning on owning pieces of plastic with industrial usage. I just want to have rights over design, like hash.
I hereby declare that I'm absolutely fine with the molds being shipped to hashbaz (SP will be warned) and that I do not want people buying me $5000 in goods like you mentioned. If the Cherry Replica Project exists like you mentioned, I'd like to be a part of it as the creator of some custom designs featured in it.
Also, I'll state again that I was talking about files when I proposed a dual-holding.
the moulds dont get shipped anywhere, they are held by SP, what i was stating is the person that owns them should be hashbaz, as the commmunity would be paying for them, i wasnt being aggressive, i was having to be matter of fact as it seemed you didnt understand my previous message at all, however it is now clear you just didnt have an understanding of the concept of what was going to happen, so it is good i have brought it to light, as it is very important
im not sure why you are talking about drawings, im not sure how relevant owning a picture of a font is
If they are not shipped to anyone, why did you say that the "community would be buying me $5000 in goods"? And why hashbaz and not hashbaz and me since I designed a lot of stuff? Dude, I'd say a loud and clear "YES" to EVERYBODY who request permission to use the legends. I want to be warned because the drawings are mine. Just WARNED. Nothing else. I just want to be aware of what kind of keyset is using my icons, because I want to be proud of other people's work featuring my stuff. A simple
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
is enough. If you really want hashbaz to hold it because you guys have a strong financial interest in it, well, what can I do?
to be clear, you arent designing the cherry legends, you are using the svgs hashbaz worked on right, which are a replica of the cherry legends, they are not your design, if you want to make novelty keys outside of the cherry legends, that is totally fine and nobody has an issue with that
if you use hashbaz's files, which you said you took from his drop box, for the cherry replica legends, and we as a community pay for those to be made, i cant see why for any reason, anyone would or should need to ask your permission to use them
this has been a community project for a long time, one myself and many others have contributed a lot of time money and effort in to, and we are simply trying to protect that
It's already protected as I agreed with the terms since hashbaz first emailed me. Permission for the Novelties will be easy to get too, I'll hold'em on a separate .svg.
the svgs mean nothing sir, nobody needs them to use the legend, im not gonna keep taking room up in this thread, if you want to discuss it further, and for me to explain how this all works, as if you are gonna do this stuff its important you know what you are getting in to, you can pm me or talk to me on skype
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It's already protected as I agreed with the terms since hashbaz first emailed me. Permission for the Novelties will be easy to get too, I'll hold'em on a separate .svg.
So you still want to hold the rights to the legends that you design? We won't be paying for them then, I assume?
Also, since I've never run a GB, can someone clear something up for me: does having an .svg matter once the keys are cut? Wouldn't we just go to SP and ask for a colorway in SA with Cherry Legends? We don't need to present the .svg files every time, do we?
Edit: woops! Bunny answered my question. :)
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It's already protected as I agreed with the terms since hashbaz first emailed me. Permission for the Novelties will be easy to get too, I'll hold'em on a separate .svg.
So you still want to hold the rights to the legends that you design? We won't be paying for them then, I assume?
Also, since I've never run a GB, can someone clear something up for me: does having an .svg matter once the keys are cut? Wouldn't we just go to SP and ask for a colorway in SA with Cherry Legends? We don't need to present the .svg files every time, do we?
once the legends are made, you can delete the svgs, totally worthless and useless as far as making future key sets are concerned sir
i would also suggest, before this goes ahead, we have in writing from sp or something to confirm the legends will indeed be in hashbaz's control
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact NO PERSONAL INFORMATION). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
this is exactly what i was afraid of
each legend for the cherry font on SA is different to dcs, what you are asking is this community to buy YOU these legends, and that is the problem, if YOU want to own the legends, YOU should buy them, in which case, there would be ZERO additional cost per set for anybody taking part in this GB
what you are asking is essentially for this community to pay you $5000 in goods for running this
your response is precisely what i was warning against
however let me be very clear, as much as you say you would give permission for anybody to use these legends, firstly, who knows if that will change down the line, secondly, people shouldnt have to seek permission to use something that they as a community paid for
what i would propose is this
if you would like to own these legends, simply pay for them, then they are yours to do with as you please, and it would significantly reduce the cost of this set for everyone
alternatively
continue as is, and crowdsource the funding for these legends with the additional fee in the GB, but have all legends signed over to hashbaz, to be made part of the cherry replica font project
Bunny, let me begin by saying that I don't like your aggresive approach towards me and what I'm planning to do at all.
I'm not "asking for people to pay me $5000 in goods for running this" or "want to own the legends". I want to own the DESIGN of the legends. The drawings, not physical stuff.
I'm strictly talking about design when I say that I want people to at least request permission to use my custom drawings (I'm talking about icons). I'm the one who spent a decent amount of time drawing the icons in front of my screen and I wanted at least some recognition by doing that, and what I mean is that I do want people warning me that they're gonna use my stuff like:
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
This.
Nothing else. I don't even live in America and can't hold physical molds even if I wanted to because I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I'm brazilian and I'm a keyboard enthusiast. I wanted to draw and crowdfund something beautiful and unique, nothing else. PuLSE is the result of that. I'm not planning on owning pieces of plastic with industrial usage. I just want to have rights over design, like hash.
I hereby declare that I'm absolutely fine with the molds being shipped to hashbaz (SP will be warned) and that I do not want people buying me $5000 in goods like you mentioned. If the Cherry Replica Project exists like you mentioned, I'd like to be a part of it as the creator of some custom designs featured in it.
Also, I'll state again that I was talking about files when I proposed a dual-holding.
the moulds dont get shipped anywhere, they are held by SP, what i was stating is the person that owns them should be hashbaz, as the commmunity would be paying for them, i wasnt being aggressive, i was having to be matter of fact as it seemed you didnt understand my previous message at all, however it is now clear you just didnt have an understanding of the concept of what was going to happen, so it is good i have brought it to light, as it is very important
im not sure why you are talking about drawings, im not sure how relevant owning a picture of a font is
If they are not shipped to anyone, why did you say that the "community would be buying me $5000 in goods"? And why hashbaz and not hashbaz and me since I designed a lot of stuff? Dude, I'd say a loud and clear "YES" to EVERYBODY who request permission to use the legends. I want to be warned because the drawings are mine. Just WARNED. Nothing else. I just want to be aware of what kind of keyset is using my icons, because I want to be proud of other people's work featuring my stuff. A simple
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
is enough. If you really want hashbaz to hold it because you guys have a strong financial interest in it, well, what can I do?
to be clear, you arent designing the cherry legends, you are using the svgs hashbaz worked on right, which are a replica of the cherry legends, they are not your design, if you want to make novelty keys outside of the cherry legends, that is totally fine and nobody has an issue with that
if you use hashbaz's files, which you said you took from his drop box, for the cherry replica legends, and we as a community pay for those to be made, i cant see why for any reason, anyone would or should need to ask your permission to use them
this has been a community project for a long time, one myself and many others have contributed a lot of time money and effort in to, and we are simply trying to protect that
It's already protected as I agreed with the terms since hashbaz first emailed me. Permission for the Novelties will be easy to get too, I'll hold'em on a separate .svg.
the svgs mean nothing sir, nobody needs them to use the legend, im not gonna keep taking room up in this thread, if you want to discuss it further, and for me to explain how this all works, as if you are gonna do this stuff its important you know what you are getting in to, you can pm me or talk to me on skype
What the actual... Man. Mate.
Let me tell you something. You came to my thread sounding really rude as if I was stealing something from someone without even knowing that I already had spoke with hashbaz via email, about the Cherry Replica rights and files. I already said 3 or 4 times that I'm ok with everything you guys said and that hashbaz can hold the rights. Yet, you're here being rude with me. I don't need to pm you or talk to you via Skype because the situation is already solved (there's like half an hour, in case you didn't notice it). You posted probably 5 times without being clear in pretty much any of the posts (as apparently you can't use commas and periods) talking a lot of **** like "YOU ARE GETTING PEOPLE TO PAY YOU $5K IN GOODS" and then luckly, people like HoffmanMyster and absyrd cleared everything in two sentences, basically. I don't want to sound rude or stupid with you, but please, don't make this personal or hate me. Believe me, I'm a nice guy and we can coexist! I just want something nice to be done!
SP WAS ALREADY TOLD TO GIVE RIGHTS TO HASHBAZ.
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It's already protected as I agreed with the terms since hashbaz first emailed me. Permission for the Novelties will be easy to get too, I'll hold'em on a separate .svg.
So you still want to hold the rights to the legends that you design? We won't be paying for them then, I assume?
Also, since I've never run a GB, can someone clear something up for me: does having an .svg matter once the keys are cut? Wouldn't we just go to SP and ask for a colorway in SA with Cherry Legends? We don't need to present the .svg files every time, do we?
Edit: woops! Bunny answered my question. :)
I want to be warned, nothing else.
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aside from everything else with the shape and profile of SA caps will cherry legends look right on them?
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as each person would be essentially buying a legend, the important thing here is to find out who owns the legends, if sp owns them, we shouldnt be paying for them, if you own them, we shouldnt be paying for them
the way sp work is, if you buy a legend, you own it, nobody can use it without your permission, hashbaz owns most of the cherry legends, i have purchased a lot of extra cherry legends which we own, but gave full permission to hashbaz to include with anyone he grants use of the cherry legends too for dcs profile, essentially handing them over to him
so if each person is paying towards the cherry legends, it is worth locking down what is happening with them, if mito owns them and you are paying, nobody could ever use them without express written permission from him, whether he says so or not, he can essentially hold them to ransom for jsut him to use, if sp owns them and we are paying for them, they can subsequently make money form them in the future, and again, we shouldnt be paying for that
im not saying this shouldnt happen, but more info needs to be given about ownership of the legends, and the future of them
Good point!
In my opinion the legends should be given to Hashbaz (or any other Geekhack reprensentative like MKawa), so the community can use them in the future as well.
A single person shouldn't own them unless he paid for them himself.
i totally agree, hashbaz has been great with allowing people to use thee legends without being overly restrictive, and i think if this were to happen, having them in his name would be fair for everyone involved
if this or something similar is not the case, i would strongly advise everyone to question supporting this happening
Bunny let me first say that I'm pretty happy with this thread getting your attention. You guys at Ctrl.Alt rock when it comes to good design and group buys. This is my first time ever trying to do it and hopefully, everything will run smooth. Thank you for being here.
About hashbaz and the right over the legends:
On the early stages of PuLSE development, the keyset didn't feature Cherry Replica font legends. It used Helvetica Round and after doing some research, I found out that Helvetica indeed looks like Cherry, but it's not the same. So, I began to search for the "legit" Cherry Replica font. Couldn't find anywhere, so I mailed people here on GH and specially, talked to somebody who provided me hashbaz files, which are available on his Dropbox. I got the files, and began working on them, trying to make them useful and smooth. I had to do some work in the .svgs in order to make the letters fit the PMK 0.02" rule.
After that, I mailed Melissa about starting this set with PMK and she answered the following:
"I assumed you were using the Cherry Font (you need to get permission to use this, which is easy to do - contact NO PERSONAL INFORMATION). It is the icons that need to be re-drawn, and you are right, pretty much all of them need to be done."
Of course, I contacted hashbaz, who's a super cool dude and he stated that I have permission to use the Cherry Replica Font, as long as new relevant sutff (and I assume he's talking about my custom icons, I'm yet to figure that out because he didn't answer me yet) get added to the Cherry Font for future usage. He also, asked for some of my .svg files and I said that I'm totally ok with it, but that I needed to know which ones specifically he was talking about.
That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects. taylordcraig mentioned neutral parties and since pretty much nobody here knows me, I'd give permission to anyone who asks without thinking twice.
Everything for the community, it's our work, it's our stuff.
EDIT: I can be the holder of the Cherry Replica font on SA profile if you people think that's the right thing to do. Nobody would be allowed to use them without my permission (which would be easily granted for anyone who asks).
this is exactly what i was afraid of
each legend for the cherry font on SA is different to dcs, what you are asking is this community to buy YOU these legends, and that is the problem, if YOU want to own the legends, YOU should buy them, in which case, there would be ZERO additional cost per set for anybody taking part in this GB
what you are asking is essentially for this community to pay you $5000 in goods for running this
your response is precisely what i was warning against
however let me be very clear, as much as you say you would give permission for anybody to use these legends, firstly, who knows if that will change down the line, secondly, people shouldnt have to seek permission to use something that they as a community paid for
what i would propose is this
if you would like to own these legends, simply pay for them, then they are yours to do with as you please, and it would significantly reduce the cost of this set for everyone
alternatively
continue as is, and crowdsource the funding for these legends with the additional fee in the GB, but have all legends signed over to hashbaz, to be made part of the cherry replica font project
Bunny, let me begin by saying that I don't like your aggresive approach towards me and what I'm planning to do at all.
I'm not "asking for people to pay me $5000 in goods for running this" or "want to own the legends". I want to own the DESIGN of the legends. The drawings, not physical stuff.
I'm strictly talking about design when I say that I want people to at least request permission to use my custom drawings (I'm talking about icons). I'm the one who spent a decent amount of time drawing the icons in front of my screen and I wanted at least some recognition by doing that, and what I mean is that I do want people warning me that they're gonna use my stuff like:
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
This.
Nothing else. I don't even live in America and can't hold physical molds even if I wanted to because I wouldn't be able to do anything with it. I'm brazilian and I'm a keyboard enthusiast. I wanted to draw and crowdfund something beautiful and unique, nothing else. PuLSE is the result of that. I'm not planning on owning pieces of plastic with industrial usage. I just want to have rights over design, like hash.
I hereby declare that I'm absolutely fine with the molds being shipped to hashbaz (SP will be warned) and that I do not want people buying me $5000 in goods like you mentioned. If the Cherry Replica Project exists like you mentioned, I'd like to be a part of it as the creator of some custom designs featured in it.
Also, I'll state again that I was talking about files when I proposed a dual-holding.
the moulds dont get shipped anywhere, they are held by SP, what i was stating is the person that owns them should be hashbaz, as the commmunity would be paying for them, i wasnt being aggressive, i was having to be matter of fact as it seemed you didnt understand my previous message at all, however it is now clear you just didnt have an understanding of the concept of what was going to happen, so it is good i have brought it to light, as it is very important
im not sure why you are talking about drawings, im not sure how relevant owning a picture of a font is
If they are not shipped to anyone, why did you say that the "community would be buying me $5000 in goods"? And why hashbaz and not hashbaz and me since I designed a lot of stuff? Dude, I'd say a loud and clear "YES" to EVERYBODY who request permission to use the legends. I want to be warned because the drawings are mine. Just WARNED. Nothing else. I just want to be aware of what kind of keyset is using my icons, because I want to be proud of other people's work featuring my stuff. A simple
"Hey MiTo, I love your Cherry Replica custom Bullhorn design, can I use it on the Caps Lock of my Awesome Keyset? I'll submit it to PMK and Melissa told me I need your permission."
is enough. If you really want hashbaz to hold it because you guys have a strong financial interest in it, well, what can I do?
to be clear, you arent designing the cherry legends, you are using the svgs hashbaz worked on right, which are a replica of the cherry legends, they are not your design, if you want to make novelty keys outside of the cherry legends, that is totally fine and nobody has an issue with that
if you use hashbaz's files, which you said you took from his drop box, for the cherry replica legends, and we as a community pay for those to be made, i cant see why for any reason, anyone would or should need to ask your permission to use them
this has been a community project for a long time, one myself and many others have contributed a lot of time money and effort in to, and we are simply trying to protect that
It's already protected as I agreed with the terms since hashbaz first emailed me. Permission for the Novelties will be easy to get too, I'll hold'em on a separate .svg.
the svgs mean nothing sir, nobody needs them to use the legend, im not gonna keep taking room up in this thread, if you want to discuss it further, and for me to explain how this all works, as if you are gonna do this stuff its important you know what you are getting in to, you can pm me or talk to me on skype
What the actual... Man. Mate.
Let me tell you something. You came to my thread sounding really rude as if I was stealing something from someone without even knowing that I already had spoke with hashbaz via email, about the Cherry Replica rights and files. I already said 3 or 4 times that I'm ok with everything you guys said and that hashbaz can hold the rights. Yet, you're here being rude with me. I don't need to pm you or talk to you via Skype because the situation is already solved (there's like half an hour, in case you didn't notice it). You posted probably 5 times without being clear in pretty much any of the posts (as apparently you can't use commas and periods) talking a lot of **** like "YOU ARE GETTING PEOPLE TO PAY YOU $5K IN GOODS" and then luckly, people like HoffmanMyster and absyrd cleared everything in two sentences, basically. I don't want to sound rude or stupid with you, but please, don't make this personal or hate me. Believe me, I'm a nice guy and we can coexist! I just want something nice to be done!
SP WAS ALREADY TOLD TO GIVE RIGHTS TO HASHBAZ.
i was trying to be helpful, offering you some advice and to help you understand, you say others have cleared it up for you, but you still have absolutely no clue what is going on, im not your man, im not your mate, i wasnt being rude to you, i was stating facts, and every time you would reply and quote my message, you were completely ignoring what i was saying, talking about something totally different
instead of attacking me, why not try and be a little humble, admit you dont understand what we are talking about and seek advice, instead of talking about your legacy
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To clarify this sittuation even more, here are a few emails between me and Hashbaz, since Olimitto development.
I showed him pictures and asked for permission to use the legends. He then answered:
"This looks great. Typically the only thing I ask in return for using the legends is that any new legends that you create get contributed back into the set so that others can use them in the future. Does that work for you?
Novelty keys like the bullhorn Caps Lock aren't really relevant to the Cherry font, so you would retain rights to those. But others like the symbol-only modifiers (backspace, enter, and the shifts) would be great to have available for future Cherry Replica group buys. Your mockup also shows a non-standard modifier kit with centered, all-capital text. Are you planning to get all those legends made, or will the standard Cherry replica modifiers work?
P.S. I am hashbaz on the forum in case you weren't in on the joke earlier. :)"
I answered:
Hello hash!
I designed some of these icons and I'd be glad to see people using them in future sets. Definitely, no problem. The all center capital text mods you saw came from an idea I had a while ago when I saw the Penumbra Set. Do you think SP will be able to produce them? Because they use the Cherry font, as they are text only. I'd like the Cherry Replica font to be applied on the Base Mods (which are text-mods that I mentioned above), Alphas, Function-Row, Shift, Enter and Backspace. But I'm not really sure how the arrows look like in reality. I tried to recreate something similar to these arrows, not imitate them. You can see what I'm talking about on the Enter arrow, because it's "L" shaped arrow and I love it. Don't know if the original Cherry has a "L" shaped arrow on enter. Anyway, I'm totally with you about these icons. I suspected you were the super cool John, but my Internet is down and I couldn't reply!
Well, pleasure to meet you.
"MiTo" aka Lyqu1d @ /r/MK
He responded:
Sorry for not getting back to you again sooner. Replies inline below...
-SPECIFICS DETAILS ABOUT THE SET HIDDEN BECAUSE IT'S IRRELEVANT-
Again, I'm happy to create the SVG files necessary to create any new legends you need that have the Cherry font look and feel, provided that they new relevant stuff gets added to the Cherry font for future use. Just let me know what you need.
I said:
Thank you for the answer John. The thing is I already have everything in .svg! Somebody sent me a zip file with all the Cherry Replica fonts like 15 days ago or something and I used it to create this set. I'm waiting for Melissa to answer my emails regarding the Olimitto and the PuLSE Keyset. Profile, material, which keys will need new molds... I'm running down 2 ICs at the moment on GeekHack. One for Olimitto and the other one for PuLSE and both of them share a few novelty keys. Maybe this could reduce the costs. Check this out.
PuLSE: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61822.0
Olimitto: http://m.imgur.com/a/L0KsC
Peace.
Hashbaz last reply:
Ok then. I would really like a copy of the SVGs that you made (just the Cherry font ones, not the novelties), and again just to verify, you are OK with these being made a part of the font for use by anyone right?
And I replied:
Absolutely John, I'll send you the files as soon as I get home. Don't worry! Please, specify the Cherry Font ones I'll need to share.
Thank you,
Rick
Below, my last email to Melissa:
Melissa,
People at GeekHack demanded that the legends (not the novelties) should be put under the rights of hashbaz aka John. Is that alright?
Thanks.
AND SHE REPLIED INSTANTLY:
(http://i.imgur.com/1EMhpUG.png)
Problem solved? Can we PLEASE talk about the keyset now?
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i still think this keyset is just inverted midnight
"It's SA"
i don't like SA at all, it's too tall and ugly
"but you liked midnight!"
quite the opposite
I'm gonna have to take a hard pass on this one, it's real gross
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i still think this keyset is just inverted midnight
"It's SA"
i don't like SA at all, it's too tall and ugly
"but you liked midnight!"
quite the opposite
I'm gonna have to take a hard pass on this one, it's real gross
Midnight is not SA.
PuLSE colors/design have nothing to do with Midnight and I can prove that one more time (I already did it on /r/MK) if you want to.
Feel free to hard pass!
You are free to think it's gross, but at least 120 guys disagree with you.
EDIT: I decided to actually prove that this set has nothing to do with Midnight Keyset right now because I can see the acusations that probably will come after TacticalStache reply.
Here's what I used to design my keyset. A picture of my program screen
(http://i.imgur.com/1kaNSRY.png)
and my source of inspiration
(http://static1.netshoes.net/Produtos/18/004-7732-118/004-7732-118_zoom1.jpg)
Also I used a few more icons that I designed by myself that are featured on the Olimitto Teaser (which is also my creation). I don't care if people play on GiMP or whatever program to make my set look like Midnight (you can use the hue to make them look like but the colors won't ever match). If you are here to hate, please quit. And I won't tolerate acusations of copying from other designers because I spend hours doing my own stuff. Keysets are a small part of them.
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This thread got weird.
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This thread got weird.
I'll create another thread and it will be on the GroupBuy subforum. Me and BunnyLake created a lot of confusion here (already PMd him because fighting won't take us anywhere, I apologized and hopefully he will take it) and I believe that the PuLSE project gotta keep going.
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aside from everything else with the shape and profile of SA caps will cherry legends look right on them?
Yes.
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This thread got weird.
I'll create another thread and it will be on the GroupBuy subforum. Me and BunnyLake created a lot of confusion here (already PMd him because fighting won't take us anywhere, I apologized and hopefully he will take it) and I believe that the PuLSE project gotta keep going.
shouldnt this go into the signature plastics sub forum, i was of the understanding this was part of the pimpmykeyboard platform and not a gb
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This thread got weird.
I'll create another thread and it will be on the GroupBuy subforum. Me and BunnyLake created a lot of confusion here (already PMd him because fighting won't take us anywhere, I apologized and hopefully he will take it) and I believe that the PuLSE project gotta keep going.
shouldnt this go into the signature plastics sub forum, i was of the understanding this was part of the pimpmykeyboard platform and not a gb
I already submitted a new thread on GBs sub and I'm waiting approval. Should I move it to the SP sub? I believe that GBs is the right place to post it since it's a GroupBuy and it needs massive support. I can change it though, no problem, anybody else recommend me to do that? Mods?
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This thread got weird.
I'll create another thread and it will be on the GroupBuy subforum. Me and BunnyLake created a lot of confusion here (already PMd him because fighting won't take us anywhere, I apologized and hopefully he will take it) and I believe that the PuLSE project gotta keep going.
shouldnt this go into the signature plastics sub forum, i was of the understanding this was part of the pimpmykeyboard platform and not a gb
I already submitted a new thread on GB and it is yet to be approved. Should I go for the SP sub? I believe that GBs is the right place to post it since it's a GroupBuy and it needs a massive support.
well people will argue semantics, but im not sure a manufacturer selling individual sets to people but having a minimum amount of orders to cover their own setup costs is technically a groupbuy
it is my understanding that the gb section is for an individual, coordinating the community to make a purchase from a manufacturer that we wouldnt be able to do individually
however, the manufacturer in this case have their own subforum, for people to advertise the designs that are on the manufacturors pimpmykeyboard platform
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This thread got weird.
I'll create another thread and it will be on the GroupBuy subforum. Me and BunnyLake created a lot of confusion here (already PMd him because fighting won't take us anywhere, I apologized and hopefully he will take it) and I believe that the PuLSE project gotta keep going.
shouldnt this go into the signature plastics sub forum, i was of the understanding this was part of the pimpmykeyboard platform and not a gb
I already submitted a new thread on GB and it is yet to be approved. Should I go for the SP sub? I believe that GBs is the right place to post it since it's a GroupBuy and it needs a massive support.
well people will argue semantics, but im not sure a manufacturer selling individual sets to people but having a minimum amount of orders to cover their own setup costs is technically a groupbuy
it is my understanding that the gb section is for an individual, coordinating the community to make a purchase from a manufacturer that we wouldnt be able to do individually
however, the manufacturer in this case have their own subforum, for people to advertise the designs that are on the manufacturors pimpmykeyboard platform
This is true. It's a little confusing for some, as the group buys run through SP used to be in the GB subforum. But now that they have their own system that runs everything, and they do all the organizing, these are really SP's products and belong in their vendor subforum. Honestly, every GB "needs massive support", so that's rather irrelevant. The main point here is that this is run by SP. If you, on the other hand, set up a system to collect orders and submitted a big order to SP yourself, sorted the caps, and shipped them, that would belong in the GB subforum.
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This thread got weird.
I'll create another thread and it will be on the GroupBuy subforum. Me and BunnyLake created a lot of confusion here (already PMd him because fighting won't take us anywhere, I apologized and hopefully he will take it) and I believe that the PuLSE project gotta keep going.
shouldnt this go into the signature plastics sub forum, i was of the understanding this was part of the pimpmykeyboard platform and not a gb
I already submitted a new thread on GB and it is yet to be approved. Should I go for the SP sub? I believe that GBs is the right place to post it since it's a GroupBuy and it needs a massive support.
well people will argue semantics, but im not sure a manufacturer selling individual sets to people but having a minimum amount of orders to cover their own setup costs is technically a groupbuy
it is my understanding that the gb section is for an individual, coordinating the community to make a purchase from a manufacturer that we wouldnt be able to do individually
however, the manufacturer in this case have their own subforum, for people to advertise the designs that are on the manufacturors pimpmykeyboard platform
This is true. It's a little confusing for some, as the group buys run through SP used to be in the GB subforum. But now that they have their own system that runs everything, and they do all the organizing, these are really SP's products and belong in their vendor subforum. Honestly, every GB "needs massive support", so that's rather irrelevant. The main point here is that this is run by SP. If you, on the other hand, set up a system to collect orders and submitted a big order to SP yourself, sorted the caps, and shipped them, that would belong in the GB subforum.
I'll submit it on the SP sub then. Sincerely, you're right because I didn't even noticed SP had their own sub here.
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MOD NOTE: This begins the posts from the GB thread that was created during IC phase and therefore merged with this IC thread. Please note the reply title to determine which thread the posts on the following few pages come from, as it can be confusing given the merged threads.
NEWS AND QUESTIONS BELOW! BOLD ARE BREAKING NEWS.
EDIT: We are very close to the end guys! We've got got until Aug. 27th to vote and I believe that at this point, our project is good to go.
ESTIMATED PRICES BELOW:
(http://i.imgur.com/jFw2JXD.png)
VOTE HERE, 150 VOTES UNTIL WEDNESDAY!
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Let's blow this vote button! Estimated GB launch September 8th - source: Melissa @ PimpMyKeyboard.com
KEYSET PRESENTATION BELOW!
Hello GeekHack.
I'm Lyqu1d from /r/MK and I came here to present you guys an electric feeling keyset. The PuLSE Keyset. It brings the contrast between a shocking blue tone and a dark grey tone, over ABS DoubleShots keycaps, on the SA 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile. If there's enough interest, I'll run a group buy with Signature Plastics, /r/MK, deskthority and you guys.
(http://i.imgur.com/71W9VnU.png)
Base Set - SHIFT KEYS ARE ROW 3
(http://i.imgur.com/zhwQNaI.png)
F-Row Stripe
(http://i.imgur.com/Rk0iI9J.png)
Novelties
(http://i.imgur.com/lLy4m2v.png)
60% Stripe
(http://i.imgur.com/DjNnUYt.png)
ISO Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/wj4w5pq.png)
Numpack
(http://i.imgur.com/yOOgFxo.png)
Tsangan
(http://i.imgur.com/pz8Gmnd.png)
Halfadox
(http://i.imgur.com/pXs9ilo.png)
Blanks
(http://i.imgur.com/cZ8L5g9.png)
PuLSE Keyset Overview w/ Novelties and F-Row Stripe
(http://i.imgur.com/IXe8LNY.png)
Profile Overview
(http://i.imgur.com/wPkkvMC.jpg)
Shocking.
(http://i.imgur.com/g4Hn5t3.png)
I hope y'all like it,
MiTo, aka Lyqu1d @ /r/MK
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Assuming all the logistics work out following that ****-storm in the IC thread, i'm definitely in for Alpha, Mod, Novelty & Tsangan.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
That's why an interest check should run for more than 5 days.
And people really need to stop and think before throwing money around.
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That said, hashbaz is still the Cherry Replica Font holder and I've got the polished design (and files) featuring custom "Cherry Replica" icons. I believe we both could hold these files and then provide permission for others to use it in future projects.
He said they could both own them.
Crowd source it and add it to the repository [in hashbaz dropbox?]
i dont think you get how it works, we are not talking about files here
these are physical things, that a person owns
he is referring to the files used to make them
I understood nearly perfectly.
I knew MiTo was talking about his drawings, and I knew we're talking about molds.
I was misinformed in thinking that hashbaz dropbox was somehow representative of their ownership of the molds.
In regards to the sub forum the GB belongs in,
everything about Nuclear Data is rubbing me the wrong way.
Did that buy really get to stay in the GB thread because Samwisekoi[admin] didn't know the rules?
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In regards to the sub forum the GB belongs in,
everything about Nuclear Data is rubbing me the wrong way.
Did that buy really get to stay in the GB thread because Samwisekoi[admin] didn't know the rules?
Who asked for your idiot opinion here in the FIRST place?
What sam wants to do with HIS group buy is his choice NOT YOURS. Maybe you just need to bud out and leave people alone instead of trying to flame a non-existent issue with your own stupid understanding of the so-called rules, relating to his own GB.
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I am out of town and just now catching up on this thread. Looks like things have settled in the right place, but just for the sake of total clarity, this is my take:
SVGs - Bunny is correct that having a copy of the SVGs is meaningless. It's the physical molds that SP creates from the SVGs that matters. These molds are kept at SP but belong to a particular person, and their use requires the permission of that person.
The dropbox link where I had a zip file of the Cherry SVGs is not intended to be a repository. I put it there when someone asked if they could have a copy of the SVGs a few weeks ago, and just forgot to take it down (it's been taken down now). In general I would appreciate it if those of you who have a copy of the SVGs would not distribute them, but rather refer interested parties to me. I have no intention of withholding them from anyone, but I like to keep a handle on the ongoing Cherry Replica projects so I can ensure that the set remains a cohesive whole.
Ownership - My understanding is that all the legends that make up the Cherry font are in my name, including those that Bunny and others have had made for their sets. Bunny, correct me if I'm wrong here on the point of technical ownership. Regardless, the important thing is that the Cherry Replica font is available in its entirety as a unit, and that there is a single point of entry (i.e., me) for using it.
Use of the Cherry Font - The font is available for anyone from any community to use. The only reason that I require people to seek my permission for its use is so that I can impose the policy that new, relevant legends get contributed back into the set for use in the future without condition or tracking down multiple owners. If I ever exit the keyboard community I will hand off ownership of the Cherry Font to a new custodian who will continue to implement the same policy.
For example, the centered, capital Cherry modifiers (http://i.imgur.com/ws6bvFb.png) from the Olimitto keyset would all be new, relevant legends and will need to be incorporated into the Cherry Font if they end up being produced.
Novelty legends - To be clear, I don't care about the bullhorn legend and other novelty keys or keyset-specific logo keys, etc. Ownership of those types of legends naturally falls to the group buy organizer. The only stuff that gets incorporated into the Cherry Font are the "relevant" legends -- i.e., those with the Cherry look and feel.
SA legends - If the economics of getting the Cherry legends cut in SA profile work out, that is fantastic. I think we are all on the same page now, but again just to be clear, these SA legends should be considered part of the Cherry Replica font and should be in my name.
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In regards to the sub forum the GB belongs in,
everything about Nuclear Data is rubbing me the wrong way.
Did that buy really get to stay in the GB thread because Samwisekoi[admin] didn't know the rules?
Who asked for your idiot opinion here in the FIRST place?
What sam wants to do with HIS group buy is his choice NOT YOURS. Maybe you just need to bud out and leave people alone instead of trying to flame a non-existent issue with your own stupid understanding of the so-called rules, relating to his own GB.
Hi Elrick. You're always really vocal.
Nuclear Data is being run on PMK.
Therefore it belongs in the SP subforums.
This isn't my understanding of the rules, it is the rules.
Thanks for your time.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
That's why an interest check should run for more than 5 days.
And people really need to stop and think before throwing money around.
It's still only an interest check on PMK, with nearly 2 weeks before the GB launch. Nobody's throwing money around just yet.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
That's why an interest check should run for more than 5 days.
And people really need to stop and think before throwing money around.
It's still only an interest check on PMK, with nearly 2 weeks before the GB launch. Nobody's throwing money around just yet.
Then why does this thread need to exist? It would make much more sense to continue all discussion in the interest check thread instead of having a group buy thread already.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
That's why an interest check should run for more than 5 days.
And people really need to stop and think before throwing money around.
It's still only an interest check on PMK, with nearly 2 weeks before the GB launch. Nobody's throwing money around just yet.
Then why does this thread need to exist? It would make much more sense to continue all discussion in the interest check thread instead of having a group buy thread already.
Because I believe the IC thread was being filled with extraneous posts not related to interest in the set, so OP decided to create a fresh thread just for interest/eventual GB.
Which isn't going too well so far, but whatever...
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Also not to be rude,
but assume Hashbaz died tomorrow.
Does SP now own the molds? [Honestly curious, we should be protecting our investment as a community.
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Also not to be rude,
but assume Hashbaz died tomorrow.
Does SP now own the molds? [Honestly curious, we should be protecting our investment as a community.
Barring something not already being arranged, I imagine that GH's relationship with SP would allow for some sort of favorable resolution to such an issue.
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Make the rows like the Commando 23 set, and also add on an 1800 compatibility pack like the toxic set had. Maybe even consider selecting a more "electric" blue color from a pantone chart. 8x size spacebar and maybe even 9x size would be greatly appreciated.
Pantone color 801 is a neon blue color that would look awesome in this set:
(http://www.case-scenario.com/2067-thickbox_default/pantone-neon-blue.jpg)
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I think he's working with the ABS color chips available at SP. Is Pantone 801 available in SP's line-up?
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From what I know, no. You can use custom pantone color but it will increase the price...
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
i hope it will be sculpted profile (3-1-2-3-4-3) rather than uniform 3
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Oh yes, a gentelmen's agreement like in the Victorian era.... why not a hand shake?! :P
Even if it sounds grimm taylorcraig has a good point
If it's a community work and effort it should be owned by the community that means by an official club that is run by the community, something legal with a board of members and stuff like that. Other keyboard communities have that.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
I commented on this in the PMK vote.
And yes, add 1u + sign for 1800 numpad.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
I commented on this in the PMK vote.
And yes, add 1u + sign for 1800 numpad.
Yes, I saw your comment. It's something that people need to know in order to make an informed choice.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
I commented on this in the PMK vote.
And yes, add 1u + sign for 1800 numpad.
Yes, I saw your comment. It's something that people need to know in order to make an informed choice.
Agreed. I am also wondering this.
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OP likely hasn't considered it as the buy was originally DCS.
Personally I'm in either way. I love uniform rows and haven't tried sculpted yet.
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Oh yes, a gentelmen's agreement like in the Victorian era.... why not a hand shake?! :P
Even if it sounds grimm taylorcraig has a good point
If it's a community work and effort it should be owned by the community that means by an official club that is run by the community, something legal with a board of members and stuff like that. Other keyboard communities have that.
Yeah. I doubt they'd ever steal the tooling from us as GH makes considerable orders from them [though likely small in comparison to their usual business]
But it is something worth noting, if there is potential for it to happen.
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Oh yes, a gentelmen's agreement like in the Victorian era.... why not a hand shake?! :P
Your comment, while qualified with the use of the emoticon, sounds snarky and pessimistic.
The "gentlemen's agreement" worked well for years on this forum, as well as on Deskthority, OTD, kbdmania, etc. Only recently, with the influx of a certain group of people who, by their own actions, have demonstrated that they have little regard toward respecting the ideas and efforts of others, has this become a problem.
Even if it sounds grimm taylorcraig has a good point
If it's a community work and effort it should be owned by the community that means by an official club that is run by the community, something legal with a board of members and stuff like that. Other keyboard communities have that.
Maybe hashbaz has a will, and he will name the beneficiary of the molds in that document?
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I know that these things work well, but RL life sucks, and it is better to take measures against such people.
When Alin and I ran the SA Vim GB we first got permission from the designer of the legend, we considered it to be the proper way of doing this.
For Debian we asked permission to use the logo, and for the DSA Vim 1u and 1.75u keys we were the first to make the molds, they are free for use because everybody who participated in the GB paid a share.
The important thing is the community to be able to benefit from the designs :)
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Make the rows like the Commando 23 set, and also add on an 1800 compatibility pack like the toxic set had. Maybe even consider selecting a more "electric" blue color from a pantone chart. 8x size spacebar and maybe even 9x size would be greatly appreciated.
Pantone color 801 is a neon blue color that would look awesome in this set:
Show Image
(http://www.case-scenario.com/2067-thickbox_default/pantone-neon-blue.jpg)
The prices were set to cover a Sculpted SA PuLSE keyset. I don't know if Commando is Sculpted or Row-3 but for reference, Penumbra is Sculpted. Also, we will stick to the blue BBJ tone because of techinical specs but I'll agree that Pantone is great.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
I commented on this in the PMK vote.
And yes, add 1u + sign for 1800 numpad.
Yes, I saw your comment. It's something that people need to know in order to make an informed choice.
Agreed. I am also wondering this.
I thought I mentioned the SA specs already but I believe it was on /r/MK. It's gonna be Sculpted Rows, added this info to OP.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
That's why an interest check should run for more than 5 days.
And people really need to stop and think before throwing money around.
It's still only an interest check on PMK, with nearly 2 weeks before the GB launch. Nobody's throwing money around just yet.
Then why does this thread need to exist? It would make much more sense to continue all discussion in the interest check thread instead of having a group buy thread already.
Because I believe the IC thread was being filled with extraneous posts not related to interest in the set, so OP decided to create a fresh thread just for interest/eventual GB.
Which isn't going too well so far, but whatever...
Yes, IC thread became a complete mess so I decided to create a fresh one. Also, IC thread was created before the Interest Check started on PMK.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
I commented on this in the PMK vote.
And yes, add 1u + sign for 1800 numpad.
Yes, I saw your comment. It's something that people need to know in order to make an informed choice.
Agreed. I am also wondering this.
I thought I mentioned the SA specs already but I believe it was on /r/MK. It's gonna be Sculpted Rows, added this info to OP.
I don't follow /r/MK, and to be honest, I refuse to go there.
I must be blind, because I don't see any reference to the row profiles in the OP.
FYI, this is how you specify which row profile goes with which keycaps to SP (they show which row profile to the left):
Sculpted:
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/69/HONEY_ALPHA.png)
[Image credit: 7bit]
Uniform:
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/7/7d/HONEY_FUNCTION_R3.png)
[Image credit: 7bit]
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
I commented on this in the PMK vote.
And yes, add 1u + sign for 1800 numpad.
Added the 1u key.
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Soooo...
Will these have sculpted rows, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, or what? Uniform Row-3? People are voting for the set on PMK, and they don't even know what they're voting for.
I commented on this in the PMK vote.
And yes, add 1u + sign for 1800 numpad.
Yes, I saw your comment. It's something that people need to know in order to make an informed choice.
Agreed. I am also wondering this.
I thought I mentioned the SA specs already but I believe it was on /r/MK. It's gonna be Sculpted Rows, added this info to OP.
I don't follow /r/MK, and to be honest, I refuse to go there.
I must be blind, because I don't see any reference to the row profiles in the OP.
FYI, this is how you specify which row profile goes with which keycaps to SP (they show which row profile to the left):
Sculpted:
Show Image
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/6/69/HONEY_ALPHA.png)
[Image credit: 7bit]
Uniform:
Show Image
(http://deskthority.net/w/images/7/7d/HONEY_FUNCTION_R3.png)
[Image credit: 7bit]
I forgot to "Post" my edit on OP that's why you wasn't able to see it. My bad, because I'm answering thousands of stuff at the same time. She just mailed me right now and said that the left and right shift keys are not available in Row 4, only in Row 3. Also, the only surface texture available on Row 4 1.25 keys is matte (we won't have a shiny PuLSE, I believe). Correct me if I'm wrong but apparently she is not referring to the same Row 4 as you did in the Sculpted image you linked.
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Make the rows like the Commando 23 set, and also add on an 1800 compatibility pack like the toxic set had. Maybe even consider selecting a more "electric" blue color from a pantone chart. 8x size spacebar and maybe even 9x size would be greatly appreciated.
Pantone color 801 is a neon blue color that would look awesome in this set:
Show Image
(http://www.case-scenario.com/2067-thickbox_default/pantone-neon-blue.jpg)
The prices were set to cover a Sculpted SA PuLSE keyset. I don't know if Commando is Sculpted or Row-3 but for reference, Penumbra is Sculpted. Also, we will stick to the blue BBJ tone because of techinical specs but I'll agree that Pantone is great.
penumbra isnt sculted, its row 3
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I forgot to "Post" my edit on OP that's why you wasn't able to see it. My bad, because I'm answering thousands of stuff at the same time. She just mailed me right now and said that the left and right shift keys are not available in Row 4, only in Row 3. Also, the only surface texture available on Row 4 1.25 keys is matte (we won't have a shiny PuLSE, I believe). Correct me if I'm wrong but apparently she is not referring to the same Row 4 as you did in the Sculpted image you linked.
Ah, okay, that explains it. :)
And yes, the Shift keys have to be in Row 3 profile, until they fix the problem and make molds for Row 4 Shift keys, which will be in a couple months from now.
Also, 1.25x Row 4 is not a problem, because you do the bottom row mods in Row 3, which is what I meant when I said 3-1-2-3-4-3. :thumb:
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Make the rows like the Commando 23 set, and also add on an 1800 compatibility pack like the toxic set had. Maybe even consider selecting a more "electric" blue color from a pantone chart. 8x size spacebar and maybe even 9x size would be greatly appreciated.
Pantone color 801 is a neon blue color that would look awesome in this set:
Show Image
(http://www.case-scenario.com/2067-thickbox_default/pantone-neon-blue.jpg)
The prices were set to cover a Sculpted SA PuLSE keyset. I don't know if Commando is Sculpted or Row-3 but for reference, Penumbra is Sculpted. Also, we will stick to the blue BBJ tone because of techinical specs but I'll agree that Pantone is great.
penumbra isnt sculted, its row 3
Keypuller info is wrong then, and I couldn't find it on Penumbra's OP. Gotta warn them.
EDIT: Actually, it's not Keypuller's fault that I mentioned that Penumbra was sculpted.
(http://i.imgur.com/aOsGNzz.png)
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I forgot to "Post" my edit on OP that's why you wasn't able to see it. My bad, because I'm answering thousands of stuff at the same time. She just mailed me right now and said that the left and right shift keys are not available in Row 4, only in Row 3. Also, the only surface texture available on Row 4 1.25 keys is matte (we won't have a shiny PuLSE, I believe). Correct me if I'm wrong but apparently she is not referring to the same Row 4 as you did in the Sculpted image you linked.
Ah, okay, that explains it. :)
And yes, the Shift keys have to be in Row 3 profile, until they fix the problem and make molds for Row 4 Shift keys, which will be in a couple months from now.
Also, 1.25x Row 4 is not a problem, because you do the bottom row mods in Row 3, which is what I meant when I said 3-1-2-3-4-3. :thumb:
In this case we may have the option to choose the overall keyset finish, I believe. And now I understand the 3-1-2-3-4-3 didn't know 1.25 mods were R-3. Nicely done.
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I gotta admit, I appreciate that you are so responsive, Mito. Good luck, I already casted my vote on PMK.
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Make the rows like the Commando 23 set, and also add on an 1800 compatibility pack like the toxic set had. Maybe even consider selecting a more "electric" blue color from a pantone chart. 8x size spacebar and maybe even 9x size would be greatly appreciated.
Pantone color 801 is a neon blue color that would look awesome in this set:
Show Image
(http://www.case-scenario.com/2067-thickbox_default/pantone-neon-blue.jpg)
The prices were set to cover a Sculpted SA PuLSE keyset. I don't know if Commando is Sculpted or Row-3 but for reference, Penumbra is Sculpted. Also, we will stick to the blue BBJ tone because of techinical specs but I'll agree that Pantone is great.
penumbra isnt sculted, its row 3
Keypuller info is wrong then, and I couldn't find it on Penumbra's OP. Gotta warn them.
EDIT: Actually, it's not Keypuller's fault that I mentioned that Penumbra was sculpted.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aOsGNzz.png)
so when people say row 3 with sa, they dont mean all keys are row 3
a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
by doing this, it means people who use alt layouts have an easier time, whilst still maintaining some shape for ergonomics
also
i have no idea what keypuller is but it hasnt contacted me to ask anything about penumbra
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I gotta admit, I appreciate that you are so responsive, Mito. Good luck, I already casted my vote on PMK.
I'm just trying to do my best in order to make it happen, because I loved the final design and a lot of people did too.
Final price worries me.
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Make the rows like the Commando 23 set, and also add on an 1800 compatibility pack like the toxic set had. Maybe even consider selecting a more "electric" blue color from a pantone chart. 8x size spacebar and maybe even 9x size would be greatly appreciated.
Pantone color 801 is a neon blue color that would look awesome in this set:
Show Image
(http://www.case-scenario.com/2067-thickbox_default/pantone-neon-blue.jpg)
The prices were set to cover a Sculpted SA PuLSE keyset. I don't know if Commando is Sculpted or Row-3 but for reference, Penumbra is Sculpted. Also, we will stick to the blue BBJ tone because of techinical specs but I'll agree that Pantone is great.
penumbra isnt sculted, its row 3
Keypuller info is wrong then, and I couldn't find it on Penumbra's OP. Gotta warn them.
EDIT: Actually, it's not Keypuller's fault that I mentioned that Penumbra was sculpted.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aOsGNzz.png)
so when people say row 3 with sa, they dont mean all keys are row 3
a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
by doing this, it means people who use alt layouts have an easier time, whilst still maintaining some shape for ergonomics
also
i have no idea what keypuller is but it hasnt contacted me to ask anything about penumbra
It's a Keyset databse, but they didn't mention specifically which row/sculpted Penumbra was. I assumed it was sculpted because of the info in Ctrl.Alt. Thanks for the clarification, but now I'm a bit confused. jdcarpe mentioned 3-1-2-3-4-3 and you said that the 3 Alpha rows are Row 3.
What is SP going to do with PuLSE? Any ideas or I gotta ask them?
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Make the rows like the Commando 23 set, and also add on an 1800 compatibility pack like the toxic set had. Maybe even consider selecting a more "electric" blue color from a pantone chart. 8x size spacebar and maybe even 9x size would be greatly appreciated.
Pantone color 801 is a neon blue color that would look awesome in this set:
Show Image
(http://www.case-scenario.com/2067-thickbox_default/pantone-neon-blue.jpg)
The prices were set to cover a Sculpted SA PuLSE keyset. I don't know if Commando is Sculpted or Row-3 but for reference, Penumbra is Sculpted. Also, we will stick to the blue BBJ tone because of techinical specs but I'll agree that Pantone is great.
penumbra isnt sculted, its row 3
Keypuller info is wrong then, and I couldn't find it on Penumbra's OP. Gotta warn them.
EDIT: Actually, it's not Keypuller's fault that I mentioned that Penumbra was sculpted.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aOsGNzz.png)
so when people say row 3 with sa, they dont mean all keys are row 3
a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
by doing this, it means people who use alt layouts have an easier time, whilst still maintaining some shape for ergonomics
also
i have no idea what keypuller is but it hasnt contacted me to ask anything about penumbra
It's a Keyset databse, but they didn't mention specifically which row/sculpted Penumbra was. I assumed it was sculpted because of the info in Ctrl.Alt. Thanks for the clarification, but now I'm a bit confused. jdcarpe mentioned 3-1-2-3-4-3 and you said that the 3 Alpha rows are Row 3.
What is SP going to do with PuLSE? Any ideas or I gotta ask them?
its not what SP does, its what you decide, this is your design, you have to decide what profile you want to run it in, so that people can make a decision whether or not to buy it
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http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/key-caps/angle5.jpg
here is a picture of the sa profiles
the one labelled 4 is the one that i personally dislike, which is why we replaced it in penumbra, as to me it was awkward, sop we use row 3 instead
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Make the rows like the Commando 23 set, and also add on an 1800 compatibility pack like the toxic set had. Maybe even consider selecting a more "electric" blue color from a pantone chart. 8x size spacebar and maybe even 9x size would be greatly appreciated.
Pantone color 801 is a neon blue color that would look awesome in this set:
Show Image
(http://www.case-scenario.com/2067-thickbox_default/pantone-neon-blue.jpg)
The prices were set to cover a Sculpted SA PuLSE keyset. I don't know if Commando is Sculpted or Row-3 but for reference, Penumbra is Sculpted. Also, we will stick to the blue BBJ tone because of techinical specs but I'll agree that Pantone is great.
penumbra isnt sculted, its row 3
Keypuller info is wrong then, and I couldn't find it on Penumbra's OP. Gotta warn them.
EDIT: Actually, it's not Keypuller's fault that I mentioned that Penumbra was sculpted.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aOsGNzz.png)
so when people say row 3 with sa, they dont mean all keys are row 3
a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
by doing this, it means people who use alt layouts have an easier time, whilst still maintaining some shape for ergonomics
also
i have no idea what keypuller is but it hasnt contacted me to ask anything about penumbra
It's a Keyset databse, but they didn't mention specifically which row/sculpted Penumbra was. I assumed it was sculpted because of the info in Ctrl.Alt. Thanks for the clarification, but now I'm a bit confused. jdcarpe mentioned 3-1-2-3-4-3 and you said that the 3 Alpha rows are Row 3.
What is SP going to do with PuLSE? Any ideas or I gotta ask them?
its not what SP does, its what you decide, this is your design, you have to decide what profile you want to run it in, so that people can make a decision whether or not to buy it
We are going with sculptured (3-1-2-3-3-3). Are the ergonomics too affected in this profile?
EDIT: You answered while I was typing. But I need a reference to understand this image, because I don't know if the bottom or the Esc row is excluded. Which one is excluded?
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Make the rows like the Commando 23 set, and also add on an 1800 compatibility pack like the toxic set had. Maybe even consider selecting a more "electric" blue color from a pantone chart. 8x size spacebar and maybe even 9x size would be greatly appreciated.
Pantone color 801 is a neon blue color that would look awesome in this set:
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The prices were set to cover a Sculpted SA PuLSE keyset. I don't know if Commando is Sculpted or Row-3 but for reference, Penumbra is Sculpted. Also, we will stick to the blue BBJ tone because of techinical specs but I'll agree that Pantone is great.
penumbra isnt sculted, its row 3
Keypuller info is wrong then, and I couldn't find it on Penumbra's OP. Gotta warn them.
EDIT: Actually, it's not Keypuller's fault that I mentioned that Penumbra was sculpted.
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so when people say row 3 with sa, they dont mean all keys are row 3
a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
by doing this, it means people who use alt layouts have an easier time, whilst still maintaining some shape for ergonomics
also
i have no idea what keypuller is but it hasnt contacted me to ask anything about penumbra
It's a Keyset databse, but they didn't mention specifically which row/sculpted Penumbra was. I assumed it was sculpted because of the info in Ctrl.Alt. Thanks for the clarification, but now I'm a bit confused. jdcarpe mentioned 3-1-2-3-4-3 and you said that the 3 Alpha rows are Row 3.
What is SP going to do with PuLSE? Any ideas or I gotta ask them?
its not what SP does, its what you decide, this is your design, you have to decide what profile you want to run it in, so that people can make a decision whether or not to buy it
We are going with sculptured (3-1-2-3-4-3). Are the ergonomics too affected in this profile?
its all personal preference, personally i dont like having the 4 shape because i dont like the bottom of it kicking out so much when transitioning from the bottom row
there will be people who like one thing and people who like the other
this is your thing, look at the options, and decide what it is you want accordingly
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stole this from another thread it should help illustrate a little more
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stole this from another thread it should help illustrate a little more
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And I stole this. I think it fits PuLSE perfectly.
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stole this from another thread it should help illustrate a little more
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And I stole this. I think it fits PuLSE perfectly.
I believe this is what 'most' of the SA buys have done, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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stole this from another thread it should help illustrate a little more
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And I stole this. I think it fits PuLSE perfectly.
This looks best imo
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stole this from another thread it should help illustrate a little more
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(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51026.0;attach=47791;image)
And I stole this. I think it fits PuLSE perfectly.
I believe this is what 'most' of the SA buys have done, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
looks correct to me
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stole this from another thread it should help illustrate a little more
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(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51026.0;attach=47791;image)
And I stole this. I think it fits PuLSE perfectly.
I believe this is what 'most' of the SA buys have done, someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm not sure, but I think that (1-2-3-3-3-4) is the SA standard sculptured profile. Can anybody confirm?
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About finishes, we've got semi-matte top and sides, gloss top and sides, matte top w/ semi-matte sides. If we go for the (1-2-3-3-3-4) setup, she already mentioned that 1.25 mods are only available on matte top w/ semi-matte sides.
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You seem to be in the interest check phase to me. I do not believe that this thread should exist as a gb thread. If you have issues with ic threads going off topic you should handle that issue, you don't just make a new thread.
Also, I like this color way but I am not comfortable with someone so inexperienced running it. No offense to you, but there are a lot of things to consider and we've had some guys with lots of ambition just miss a few key details due to not knowing all the intricacies.
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a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
I had no idea this was how Penumbra was setup, honestly.
For instance, Nuclear Data, which is currently running, is all-row-3. As in everything.
And no offense is intended, as you well know Bunny, but I highly recommend AGAINST making all the alphas in row 3 profile. It's a compromise. People who want a uniform profile set have that already, with the Nuclear Data set. So no need to compromise with this buy, right?
If MiTo runs this in 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles, it would be the one of the first correctly sculpted SA keysets (the other being R5, which uses row 1 for the F-row). Why miss that opportunity?
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You seem to be in the interest check phase to me. I do not believe that this thread should exist as a gb thread. If you have issues with ic threads going off topic you should handle that issue, you don't just make a new thread.
Also, I like this color way but I am not comfortable with someone so inexperienced running it. No offense to you, but there are a lot of things to consider and we've had some guys with lots of ambition just miss a few key details due to not knowing all the intricacies.
I'm finishing details because the Interest Check is scheduled to end tomorrow.
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(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51026.0;attach=47791;image)
PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. :'(
Non-buy for me if it's done this way. As you already stated, 1.25x Row 4 mods are available in matte finish only.
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a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
I had no idea this was how Penumbra was setup, honestly.
For instance, Nuclear Data, which is currently running, is all-row-3. As in everything.
And no offense is intended, as you well know Bunny, but I highly recommend AGAINST making all the alphas in row 3 profile. It's a compromise. People who want a uniform profile set have that already, with the Nuclear Data set. So no need to compromise with this buy, right?
If MiTo runs this in 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles, it would be the one of the first correctly sculpted SA keysets (the other being R5, which uses row 1 for the F-row). Why miss that opportunity?
I'd buy a fully sculpted set to try out but would much prefer reverse mods to have a uniform board.
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a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
I had no idea this was how Penumbra was setup, honestly.
For instance, Nuclear Data, which is currently running, is all-row-3. As in everything.
And no offense is intended, as you well know Bunny, but I highly recommend AGAINST making all the alphas in row 3 profile. It's a compromise. People who want a uniform profile set have that already, with the Nuclear Data set. So no need to compromise with this buy, right?
If MiTo runs this in 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles, it would be the one of the first correctly sculpted SA keysets (the other being R5, which uses row 1 for the F-row). Why miss that opportunity?
penumbra was the same profile as commando
much like you jd, i dont really think that that is the right way to go, and is why i have encouraged him to not follow suit and pick for himself
everyone will disagree with me, but the way sa keys are shaped, im not convinced there is a true correct way to have them for a standard layout, to me whatever is chosen, is a compromise and part of the reason SA really isnt for me
that being said, some people clearly love it, and lots of people will have an opinion on this
personally, i would be very interested to here the OPs opinion on SA, and the SA sets he owns and or has used, so that we can understand a little behind his decision making in this set
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a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
I had no idea this was how Penumbra was setup, honestly.
For instance, Nuclear Data, which is currently running, is all-row-3. As in everything.
And no offense is intended, as you well know Bunny, but I highly recommend AGAINST making all the alphas in row 3 profile. It's a compromise. People who want a uniform profile set have that already, with the Nuclear Data set. So no need to compromise with this buy, right?
If MiTo runs this in 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles, it would be the one of the first correctly sculpted SA keysets (the other being R5, which uses row 1 for the F-row). Why miss that opportunity?
I believe that people is going to buy PuLSE because of the look, not because Alphas are on Row Y or Mods are on Row X. Also, we can't go for 3-1-2-3-4-3 because SP can't make Row 4 Shifts. (1-2-3-3-3-4) is most likely what's going to be.
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a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
I had no idea this was how Penumbra was setup, honestly.
For instance, Nuclear Data, which is currently running, is all-row-3. As in everything.
And no offense is intended, as you well know Bunny, but I highly recommend AGAINST making all the alphas in row 3 profile. It's a compromise. People who want a uniform profile set have that already, with the Nuclear Data set. So no need to compromise with this buy, right?
If MiTo runs this in 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles, it would be the one of the first correctly sculpted SA keysets (the other being R5, which uses row 1 for the F-row). Why miss that opportunity?
I believe that people is going to buy PuLSE because of the look, not because Alphas are on Row Y or Mods are on Row X. Also, we can't go for 3-1-2-3-4-3 because SP can't make Row 4 Shifts. (1-2-3-3-3-4) is most likely what's going to be.
EDIT: Matte finish a no-go?
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a row 3 profile sa set has 4 profiles
the bottom row and the top 2 are all different profiles
then the 3 alpha rows are all row 3
I had no idea this was how Penumbra was setup, honestly.
For instance, Nuclear Data, which is currently running, is all-row-3. As in everything.
And no offense is intended, as you well know Bunny, but I highly recommend AGAINST making all the alphas in row 3 profile. It's a compromise. People who want a uniform profile set have that already, with the Nuclear Data set. So no need to compromise with this buy, right?
If MiTo runs this in 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles, it would be the one of the first correctly sculpted SA keysets (the other being R5, which uses row 1 for the F-row). Why miss that opportunity?
I believe that people is going to buy PuLSE because of the look, not because Alphas are on Row Y or Mods are on Row X. Also, we can't go for 3-1-2-3-4-3 because SP can't make Row 4 Shifts. (1-2-3-3-3-4) is most likely what's going to be.
as a word of warning, a lot of people consider the profile to be the primary reason to buy, and then use the aesthetic as a secondary reason, its all well and good having a nice looking set, but first and foremost it has to be a good set to type on, dont take the decision lightly, or undervalue the importance of the profile
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I'm going to wish you luck on this set but I'm best to just avoid this thread and this buy.
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(http://i.imgur.com/xgGaToM.jpg)
PLEASE
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(http://i.imgur.com/8XgW6Is.png)
Here's why I believe that 1-2-3-3-3-4 is the way to go. Ergonomically, it would be a confortable set to type on and aesthetically, it would look great. This continuous "arch" concept is beautiful to the eye and the same concept is applied on Cafe Racer motorcycles.
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(http://i.imgur.com/8XgW6Is.png)
Here's why I believe that 1-2-3-3-3-4 is the way to go. Ergonomically, it would be a confortable set to type on and aesthetically, it would look great. This continuous "arch" concept is beautiful to the eye and the same concept is applied on Cafe Racer motorcycles.
But have you ever typed on a set like that? The alpha area seems "flat" and not ergonomic to type on at all.
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I'm going to wish you luck on this set but I'm best to just avoid this thread and this buy.
We've got great ideas and we're trying to make something good and unique together. I'm not a pro when it comes to keyboards and I'm trying my best to make something nice to everybody. Everything will be fine because great people are helping me. Feel free to join them instead of quitting.
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(http://i.imgur.com/8XgW6Is.png)
Here's why I believe that 1-2-3-3-3-4 is the way to go. Ergonomically, it would be a confortable set to type on and aesthetically, it would look great. This continuous "arch" concept is beautiful to the eye and the same concept is applied on Cafe Racer motorcycles.
But have you ever typed on a set like that? The alpha area seems "flat" and not ergonomic to type on at all.
i asked for his experience with sa sets and his opinions on them a few posts ago, im looking forward to reading them
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I'm going to wish you luck on this set but I'm best to just avoid this thread and this buy.
We've got great ideas and we're trying to make something good and unique together. I'm not a pro when it comes to keyboards and I'm trying my best to make something nice to everybody. Everything will be fine because great people are helping me. Feel free to join them instead of quitting.
I don't want to keep sounding critical but as jd pointed out, have you ever even used SA caps?
And as hoffman pointed out seems like this set could still use quite a bit of interest checking.
Just because people voted on the PMK website doesn't mean anything because they to don't have a clue what they are voting for.
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Here's why I believe that 1-2-3-3-3-4 is the way to go. Ergonomically, it would be a confortable set to type on and aesthetically, it would look great. This continuous "arch" concept is beautiful to the eye and the same concept is applied on Cafe Racer motorcycles.
But have you ever typed on a set like that? The alpha area seems "flat" and not ergonomic to type on at all.
I can't really tell if I ever typed on a set like this but probably not. Do you believe that it would be unconfortable? A flat alpha area may be an attractive to gamers who needs to switch positions with the fingers quickly.
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Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8XgW6Is.png)
Here's why I believe that 1-2-3-3-3-4 is the way to go. Ergonomically, it would be a confortable set to type on and aesthetically, it would look great. This continuous "arch" concept is beautiful to the eye and the same concept is applied on Cafe Racer motorcycles.
But have you ever typed on a set like that? The alpha area seems "flat" and not ergonomic to type on at all.
I can't really tell if I ever typed on a set like this but probably not. Do you believe that it would be unconfortable? A flat alpha area may be an attractive to gamers who needs to switch positions with the fingers quickly.
on this point i will add as a gamer, what is very important in gaming is switching between keys quickly, but being able to identify which keys they are switching to without looking is equally if not more important
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Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8XgW6Is.png)
Here's why I believe that 1-2-3-3-3-4 is the way to go. Ergonomically, it would be a confortable set to type on and aesthetically, it would look great. This continuous "arch" concept is beautiful to the eye and the same concept is applied on Cafe Racer motorcycles.
But have you ever typed on a set like that? The alpha area seems "flat" and not ergonomic to type on at all.
i asked for his experience with sa sets and his opinions on them a few posts ago, im looking forward to reading them
Didn't see your question before but no, I never typed on a set like that. I never typed on a keyboard with Commando, Penumbra or R5. But in my life I already used machines (industrial stuff) with terminals that used buttons similar to the SA profile (curved) and my opinion is that on the edges of the terminal, pointy keycaps seem enough so you are aware where the typing area ends.
EDIT: When I say "pointy" I'm talking about no. 1 and no. 4 on the picture below.
(http://i.imgur.com/8XgW6Is.png)
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Also, sculpted caps make for shorter reach for the fingers when transitioning from one row to another.
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(http://i.imgur.com/8XgW6Is.png)
Here's why I believe that 1-2-3-3-3-4 is the way to go. Ergonomically, it would be a confortable set to type on and aesthetically, it would look great. This continuous "arch" concept is beautiful to the eye and the same concept is applied on Cafe Racer motorcycles.
But have you ever typed on a set like that? The alpha area seems "flat" and not ergonomic to type on at all.
i asked for his experience with sa sets and his opinions on them a few posts ago, im looking forward to reading them
Didn't see your question before but no, I never typed on a set like that. I never typed on a keyboard with Commando, Penumbra or R5. But in my life I already used machines (industrial stuff) with terminals that used buttons similar to the SA profile (curved) and my opinion is that on the edges of the terminal, pointy keycaps seem enough so you are aware when the typing area ends.
EDIT: When I say "pointy" I'm talking about no. 1 and no. 4 on the picture below.
(http://i.imgur.com/8XgW6Is.png)
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Just FYI you are not editing your posts, you are quoting them.
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FYI, I don't even care about the colorway or the specialty legends. I really don't even care about the Cherry replica legends. All I care about is sculpted SA profile. If this set is done in a "no compromises" way, I'll buy in, possibly heavily. But a compromised row profile, and I'm out completely.
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Just FYI you are not editing your posts, you are quoting them.
I noticed it on the previous post.
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FYI, I don't even care about the colorway or the specialty legends. I really don't even care about the Cherry replica legends. All I care about is sculpted SA profile. If this set is done in a "no compromises" way, I'll buy in, possibly heavily. But a compromised row profile, and I'm out completely.
I do care about the color way but I also would like to see the profile as jd describes. We have enough sa sets coming out around now that I want to see something new profile-wise.
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We gotta consider that the space bar in Row 3 so I've got 2 ideas here.
(http://i.imgur.com/DCpAE8d.jpg)
This is really close to what JD mentioned, and I think it looks better with a more curved Esc-row.
(http://i.imgur.com/2V0mSwy.jpg)
The second image is really close to the terminal I used on the cabinetry company.
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The reason I suggest Row 3 for the F-row is to facilitate the use of novelty SA-profile keycaps for Esc, etc., which are typically made in Row 3 profile. Such as the recent SA Vim key.
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The reason I suggest Row 3 for the F-row is to facilitate the use of novelty SA-profile keycaps for Esc, etc., which are typically made in Row 3 profile. Such as the recent SA Vim key.
If we're considering key-mixing, then I believe PuLSE should be DCS.
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The reason I suggest Row 3 for the F-row is to facilitate the use of novelty SA-profile keycaps for Esc, etc., which are typically made in Row 3 profile. Such as the recent SA Vim key.
If we're considering key-mixing, then I believe PuLSE should be DCS.
What does using an SA profile 3 novelty key on the F-Row have anything to do with key mixing??
I really think you need to step back and re-evalute what you are doing because you have a lot to learn.
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The reason I suggest Row 3 for the F-row is to facilitate the use of novelty SA-profile keycaps for Esc, etc., which are typically made in Row 3 profile. Such as the recent SA Vim key.
If we're considering key-mixing, then I believe PuLSE should be DCS.
What does using an SA profile 3 novelty key on the F-Row have anything to do with key mixing??
Because I'm planning to use profile 2 or 1 on the F-Row to keep the arch feel. And if we are considering F-Row on profile 3, that would be exclusively to fit non-PuLSE novelties. Also, the GEEK HACK, /r/MK and MX keycaps could be done absolutely in profile 1, 2 or even 3. But I believe that 3 would be right so people with keyboards like the Keycool 84 could use them on the 1x1 non-standard mods.
Edit: I absolutely have a lot to learn but I will not step back. If you want to quit because I'm not an expert on the subject "keyboard keycap SA profiles", feel free to do so as I already told you. This problem could be easily solved by simply changing the PuLSE design to the DCS profile and yet, we would have an insanely beautiful set. And cheaper, by the way.
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I'm just trying to help you. You can use my suggestions, or not. I would suggest that if you don't want row 3 for the F-row, use row 1, as 7bit's Round 5 does. Anyway, it's your GB and you should run it how you want. People are free to buy, or not. If you prefer to make it in DCS, then by all means, please do that. You just need to decide what is best for your buy, and whether you want to use the advice given to you, or not.
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I'm just trying to help you. You can use my suggestions, or not. I would suggest that if you don't want row 3 for the F-row, use row 1, as 7bit's Round 5 does. Anyway, it's your GB and you should run it how you want. People are free to buy, or not. If you prefer to make it in DCS, then by all means, please do that. You just need to decide what is best for your buy, and whether you want to use the advice given to you, or not.
I know and apreciate it, thank you for your patience and time. I tried to find something that would be good for most people but at this time, I believe I'll just make what I believe it's right. I know that a GB starter should listen to everybody ideas but sometimes things run out of control. I won't even mention the hate because I'm not an expert but you know what, I believe the final result will be great. And I will definitely use these e experiences I'm having on future ideas. Final decision, 1-2-3-3-3-4 because SP can't make the shift keys on profile 4.
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I'm just trying to help you. You can use my suggestions, or not. I would suggest that if you don't want row 3 for the F-row, use row 1, as 7bit's Round 5 does. Anyway, it's your GB and you should run it how you want. People are free to buy, or not. If you prefer to make it in DCS, then by all means, please do that. You just need to decide what is best for your buy, and whether you want to use the advice given to you, or not.
I know and apreciate it, thank you for your patience and time. I tried to find something that would be good for most people but at this time, I believe I'll just make what I believe it's right. I know that a GB starter should listen to everybody ideas but sometimes things run out of control. I won't even mention the hate because I'm not an expert but you know what, I believe the final result will be great. And I will definitely use these e experiences I'm having on future ideas. Final decision, 1-2-3-3-3-4 because SP can't make the shift keys on profile 4.
Okay, but if you're really basing your final decision on the fact that SP doesn't have molds for Shift keys in Row 4 profile, just know that in a couple months, they WILL have those molds. And you could always run a mini-GB at that time just for Row 4 Shift keys. Or hold off on starting the GB until then. But that's your desicion to make. Me, I vote with my wallet around here.
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I'm just trying to help you. You can use my suggestions, or not. I would suggest that if you don't want row 3 for the F-row, use row 1, as 7bit's Round 5 does. Anyway, it's your GB and you should run it how you want. People are free to buy, or not. If you prefer to make it in DCS, then by all means, please do that. You just need to decide what is best for your buy, and whether you want to use the advice given to you, or not.
I know and apreciate it, thank you for your patience and time. I tried to find something that would be good for most people but at this time, I believe I'll just make what I believe it's right. I know that a GB starter should listen to everybody ideas but sometimes things run out of control. I won't even mention the hate because I'm not an expert but you know what, I believe the final result will be great. And I will definitely use these e experiences I'm having on future ideas. Final decision, 1-2-3-3-3-4 because SP can't make the shift keys on profile 4.
Okay, but if you're really basing your final decision on the fact that SP doesn't have molds for Shift keys in Row 4 profile, just know that in a couple months, they WILL have those molds. And you could always run a mini-GB at that time just for Row 4 Shift keys. Or hold off on starting the GB until then. But that's your desicion to make. Me, I vote with my wallet around here.
I had an idea. I'll PM you.
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I would like to see X-1-2-3-4-3. The function row doesn't concern me too much. I like 1 but I can see how 3 would work fine.
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Someone give a 3-1-2-3-4-3 to jd PLEASE!
All row 3 it's good for international kits but no one will do those in any case.
Still undecided between SA and DCS? :confused:
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As far as the ergodox kit, will the 1.5u and 2u keys be all R3?
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Someone give a 3-1-2-3-4-3 to jd PLEASE!
If no one wants to, I may do it myself, or with the help of another interested party.
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Someone give a 3-1-2-3-4-3 to jd PLEASE!
If no one wants to, I may do it myself, or with the help of another interested party.
Waiting :thumb:
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Someone give a 3-1-2-3-4-3 to jd PLEASE!
If no one wants to, I may do it myself, or with the help of another interested party.
you can run it through the ctrlalt system if you want good sir, just take care of the thread, we can do the rest
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Someone give a 3-1-2-3-4-3 to jd PLEASE!
If no one wants to, I may do it myself, or with the help of another interested party.
you can run it through the ctrlalt system if you want good sir, just take care of the thread, we can do the rest
I've got another design. I already mentioned it. If you guys... (Airborne Keyset).
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In regards to the sub forum the GB belongs in,
everything about Nuclear Data is rubbing me the wrong way.
Did that buy really get to stay in the GB thread because Samwisekoi[admin] didn't know the rules?
Who asked for your idiot opinion here in the FIRST place?
What sam wants to do with HIS group buy is his choice NOT YOURS. Maybe you just need to bud out and leave people alone instead of trying to flame a non-existent issue with your own stupid understanding of the so-called rules, relating to his own GB.
has having a stupid opinion EVER stopped you from posting?
anyone here ACTUALLY a lawyer or has gone through this proces before? is there some piece of fineprint that says ownership of the molds is NOT transferable without explicit permission from both SP and the owner?
also, has hasbaz/the community ever denied use of the molds? have other communities requested use? don't really follow deskthority or reddit.
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This thread became a complete mess.
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Alright everyone, let's get this IC thread back on track. Although things did get out of hand, I think they were valid points that did warrant a discussion, so they will stay for the time being. That's subject to change, but that's where we're at now.
It looks like we definitely have some things to discuss though, as can be seen in the OP. Please review the OP and carry on discussion as needed. :thumb:
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In regards to the new information in the OP.
It is my preference to have a written list of 50 names of people who want to help pay for SA cherry legends.
I would probably still buy as SA with SP's standard legends.
I will not buy this set as DCS but I can see the allure of a cheaper set just for the color way.
I, however, buy key sets to type on. [with some very few exceptions]
I still vote x-1-2-3-4-3 for rows.
If we're taking names for 50, we can quote the lower price, no?
I will buy one of each kit @ 138, 8, 33, 14, 18 = 211 + shipping.
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Pretty sure the $200+ price includes legend fees, the set with regular font was ~$90 cheaper.
If asking for 50 people to just pay for the legend cost its 130 x $45 = $5850 (per info posted earlier) so at 50 people $117 each. I doubt that's going to happen.
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Pretty sure the $200+ price includes legend fees, the set with regular font was ~$90 cheaper.
If asking for 50 people to just pay for the legend cost its 130 x $45 = $5850 (per info posted earlier) so at 50 people $117 each. I doubt that's going to happen.
And that basically ends my conversation with Hoffman. We can only consider the "Taking Orders - Need 50 before we submit PuLSE to PMK" format, if people really wanted PuLSE on SA w/ Cherries which apparently it's not the case. I believe that with PuLSE we've got a great design to be applied on the SA profile, but the set itself is not enough to crowdfund the $5k we need to pay to PMK so they start manufacturing Cherries in SA.
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Pretty sure the $200+ price includes legend fees, the set with regular font was ~$90 cheaper.
If asking for 50 people to just pay for the legend cost its 130 x $45 = $5850 (per info posted earlier) so at 50 people $117 each. I doubt that's going to happen.
I believe the first number is including the cost of the legends, and the second number was the set with legends @ 50 pieces sold.
Looking at these pricing tiers, at 50 sets sold we save $129. [340-211=129]
Is the math bad somewhere or is SP giving us a bigger break because of the cost of the set?
When looking at the 50 MOQ prices compared to Penumbra, it's only 50% more cost.
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Pretty sure the $200+ price includes legend fees, the set with regular font was ~$90 cheaper.
If asking for 50 people to just pay for the legend cost its 130 x $45 = $5850 (per info posted earlier) so at 50 people $117 each. I doubt that's going to happen.
I believe the first number is including the cost of the legends, and the second number was the set with legends @ 50 pieces sold.
Looking at these pricing tiers, at 50 sets sold we save $129. [340-211=129]
Is the math bad somewhere or is SP giving us a bigger break because of the cost of the set?
When looking at the 50 MOQ prices compared to Penumbra, it's only 50% more cost.
The info I was going off of is found in this post http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61822.msg1441648#msg1441648 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61822.msg1441648#msg1441648)
But when I said $200+ price I meant the 50 MOQ with legend price baked in. It appears they are only charging an additional $4300 for legends (which didn't make sense) versus if you bought them outright at $5850. I've already said all this once in this thread. :facepalm:
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Pretty sure the $200+ price includes legend fees, the set with regular font was ~$90 cheaper.
If asking for 50 people to just pay for the legend cost its 130 x $45 = $5850 (per info posted earlier) so at 50 people $117 each. I doubt that's going to happen.
I believe the first number is including the cost of the legends, and the second number was the set with legends @ 50 pieces sold.
Looking at these pricing tiers, at 50 sets sold we save $129. [340-211=129]
Is the math bad somewhere or is SP giving us a bigger break because of the cost of the set?
When looking at the 50 MOQ prices compared to Penumbra, it's only 50% more cost.
I explained that on /r/MK but missed it here, lord, I'm lost today. First number is the value at 25 MOQ and the second one, 50 MOQ.
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Pretty sure the $200+ price includes legend fees, the set with regular font was ~$90 cheaper.
If asking for 50 people to just pay for the legend cost its 130 x $45 = $5850 (per info posted earlier) so at 50 people $117 each. I doubt that's going to happen.
I believe the first number is including the cost of the legends, and the second number was the set with legends @ 50 pieces sold.
Looking at these pricing tiers, at 50 sets sold we save $129. [340-211=129]
Is the math bad somewhere or is SP giving us a bigger break because of the cost of the set?
When looking at the 50 MOQ prices compared to Penumbra, it's only 50% more cost.
I explained that on /r/MK but missed it here, lord, I'm lost today. First number is the value at 25 MOQ and the second one, 50 MOQ.
Looking at the chart spammy is refering to http://i.imgur.com/jCq96Om.png shouldnt it be $121 not $138?
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Pretty sure the $200+ price includes legend fees, the set with regular font was ~$90 cheaper.
If asking for 50 people to just pay for the legend cost its 130 x $45 = $5850 (per info posted earlier) so at 50 people $117 each. I doubt that's going to happen.
I believe the first number is including the cost of the legends, and the second number was the set with legends @ 50 pieces sold.
Looking at these pricing tiers, at 50 sets sold we save $129. [340-211=129]
Is the math bad somewhere or is SP giving us a bigger break because of the cost of the set?
When looking at the 50 MOQ prices compared to Penumbra, it's only 50% more cost.
The info I was going off of is found in this post http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61822.msg1441648#msg1441648 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61822.msg1441648#msg1441648)
But when I said $200+ price I meant the 50 MOQ with legend price baked in. It appears they are only charging an additional $4300 for legends (which didn't make sense) versus if you bought them outright at $5850. I've already said all this once in this thread. :facepalm:
The prices on the table I linked on the other post are referred to the following design (http://imgur.com/a/Wxw7I). This design features a lot more Cherry Legends then the one you can see on the BREAKING NEWS section of OP. The prices to this version of the set, that feature less Cherries, are also on the image (http://i.imgur.com/6wYhCRJ.png). I reduced the Cherries and somehow, the costs got bigger.
EDIT: In case I wasn't clear enough, below you can see the e-mail Melissa sent me regarding the prices for the keyset on this (http://imgur.com/a/yxG0P) album.
Pricing for the sets is below - assuming all new legends:
Base Set
25 sets $224 per set
50 sets $138 per set
75 sets $109 per set
100 sets $95 per set
150 sets $80 per set
200 sets $73 per set
250 sets $69 per set
Numpack
25 sets $54 per set
50 sets $33 per set
75 sets $26 per set
100 sets $22 per set
150 sets $19 per set
200 sets $17 per set
250 sets $16 per set
Tsangan Pack
25 sets $27 per set
50 sets $18 per set
75 sets $15 per set
100 sets $13 per set
150 sets $11 per set
250 sets $10 per set
Novelty
25 sets $12 per set
50 sets $8 per set
75 sets $7 per set
100 sets $6 per set
200 sets $5 per set
ISO Pack
25 sets $23 per set
50 sets $14 per set
75 sets $11 per set
100 sets $10 per set
150 sets $9 per set
200 sets $8 per set
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I'll quote the most important info on OP here for clearer visualization:
2) We change the Cherry Legends to the centered capital legends featured in the Penumbra Keyset, which are the Standard SP Legends. PuLSE would still be Sculpted SA but much cheaper. I'll post mockups in a few hours with the Helvetica Round font (which is very close to the Standard SP Legends) on the keys, so you guys can feel the new design. In this case, the SA Profile setup would be 1-2-3-3-3-4 or X-1-2-3-4-3 (with X being 2 or 3 - http://imgur.com/a/5lZIq). The problem is that Signature Plastics can't make the Shift Row on the Profile 4 at the moment because they lack the stuff to do it. Some people mentioned they will be able to produce it on September and since our GB is scheduled to go live on Sep 8th, maybe we could go for X-1-2-3-4-3 without any problems. Gotta check with Melissa. But until I edit this, the decision is 1-2-3-3-3-4 with a [Matte Top/Semi-Matte Sides] finish;
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Just one small question regarding Cherry legends, as I'm new and have no knowledge of the old times when the first Cherry replica legends were created, how was solved the tooling cost back then ? Was that paid by an individual, or the money was raised during the GB ? Maybe something can be worked out to bring Cherry legends also in SA profile family.
Looking at the OP I like the simplicity of the mockup, it's all you need for a standard board and even covers some custom layouts. The color scheme (hate to call it colorway) is really nice and appealing to me. As I hate compromises I'm for the 1-2-3-3-3-4, hate to see some keys out of place in a row, as for ergonomics...for me sculpted of flat is the same, I can type anyway, and the most important thing is the look of the set that must be consistent and well balanced and in this case it is.
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Make a graphite keyset replica SA with Cherry legends and put the MOQ to 100.
I think it's the most wanted set still without a round 2.
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Oh and consider that Matt3o sold 60 international kits of Granite...
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Just one small question regarding Cherry legends, as I'm new and have no knowledge of the old times when the first Cherry replica legends were created, how was solved the tooling cost back then ? Was that paid by an individual, or the money was raised during the GB ? Maybe something can be worked out to bring Cherry legends also in SA profile family.
I wasn't around for most of it but as anyone should its always good to know some history around here. Originally over the course of a few years many sales were done with proceeds going to the legend fund as well as donations, people actually buying legends and many other fundraisers/auctions etc to raise the money, this is a poor summary I'm sure but here are some relevant threads and sometimes it is hard to find the older threads but here are two I can point you towards. One of my first auctions/sales I got into and how I came to know a good friend was an auction to raise some of the final funds for the set.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=28324.0
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=32496.0
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I'll quote the most important info on OP here for clearer visualization:
2) We change the Cherry Legends to the centered capital legends featured in the Penumbra Keyset, which are the Standard SP Legends. PuLSE would still be Sculpted SA but much cheaper. I'll post mockups in a few hours with the Helvetica Round font (which is very close to the Standard SP Legends) on the keys, so you guys can feel the new design. In this case, the SA Profile setup would be 1-2-3-3-3-4 or X-1-2-3-4-3 (with X being 2 or 3 - http://imgur.com/a/5lZIq). The problem is that Signature Plastics can't make the Shift Row on the Profile 4 at the moment because they lack the stuff to do it. Some people mentioned they will be able to produce it on September and since our GB is scheduled to go live on Sep 8th, maybe we could go for X-1-2-3-4-3 without any problems. Gotta check with Melissa. But until I edit this, the decision is 1-2-3-3-3-4 with a [Matte Top/Semi-Matte Sides] finish;
The problem with 1-2-3-3-3-4 is that they only have R3 spacebars, so the mods will be a different profile to the spacebar. I much prefer 3-1-2-3-4-3 if they do make those R4 shift molds. I also prefer the standard SA font on these caps. IMHO, Cherry font works best on DCS (and I love my Cherry Legend Replica set!), but wouldn't look great on SA profile. It's too "modern".
The fewer new legends that are included, the lower the price should be.
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IMHO, Cherry font works best on DCS (and I love my Cherry Legend Replica set!), but wouldn't look great on SA profile. It's too "modern".
This is something that should be greatly considered, everyone just gets all excited when the words 'cherry font' get thrown around. :))
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This is very interesting piece of information, thank you for clearing this for me. :thumb:
This kind of info should be made sticky so that any new member can learn about such important things.
Reading this confirmed at least for me that the community owns these legends.
L.E: In my humble opinion something that was created by a community should be owned buy an organization/club representing that community. Life has taught me not to place all the eggs in one basket, hope I'm not misunderstood being a non native English speaker sometimes my way of putting things on paper might lead to unwanted results. I mean no disrespect by saying what I said before, it is just an observation of an individual who had all kind of weird experiences in real life and learned to take everything with a "pinch of salt"
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MiTo, aka Lyqu1d @ /r/MK[/left]
Just saw this update.
Suggestion: If you're doing sculpted (or some variation thereof) then you might want to consider putting your novelty keys in Row 1 profile.
As for your dilemma, I'd lean towards changing the font and staying with sculpted SA profile. I'd need to see some mock-ups to have a strong opinion either way. But that's just my opinion and I think you should do whatever you feel is best for the set. It's your project.
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Show Image
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MiTo, aka Lyqu1d @ /r/MK[/left]
Just saw this update.
Suggestion: If you're doing sculpted (or some variation thereof) then you might want to consider putting your novelty keys in Row 1 profile.
As for your dilemma, I'd lean towards changing the font and staying with sculpted SA profile. I'd need to see some mock-ups to have a strong opinion either way. But that's just my opinion and I think you should do whatever you feel is best for the set. It's your project.
I'll stick with Row 3 on Novelties because of keyboards like the Keycool 84. If you take a look at it, people with a Keycool 84 and PuLSE would have a straight Row 3 line on the right edge of the keyboard, with the Home cluster and novelties. I'm finishing some mockups and I will post'em soon. Keep in touch. Feel free to tell me why Row 1 on Novelties though. As you know that I always listen to your (and everubody's) feedbacks very openly.
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Just an observation. Many novelty keys tend to wind up in the Function row, especially the Esc key spot.
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The problem with 1-2-3-3-3-4 is that they only have R3 spacebars, so the mods will be a different profile to the spacebar. I much prefer 3-1-2-3-4-3 if they do make those R4 shift molds. I also prefer the standard SA font on these caps. IMHO, Cherry font works best on DCS (and I love my Cherry Legend Replica set!), but wouldn't look great on SA profile. It's too "modern".
The fewer new legends that are included, the lower the price should be.
If you look at the Penumbra Keyset, it features a 1-2-3-3-3-4 layout with Row 4 mods and of course, a Row 3 spacebar.
(http://i.imgur.com/aeRPxdI.jpg)
Therefore, I don't think 1-2-3-3-3-4 it's a problem and it doesn't look bad. What do you think? And stand by for the Standard SA font on these caps, mockup is being done.
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All SA novelty keys I have are Row3 and I have a few of them.
The DCS novelty keys are Esc/Function row.
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Or just have enough novelties to replace the entire F row...
Personally I don't care about the key profile. I'm in for the colors. Hopefully this all gets settled on soon.
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Make a graphite keyset replica SA with Cherry legends and put the MOQ to 100.
I think it's the most wanted set still without a round 2.
This is probably actually a really good idea.
I was talking to MiTo about designs that SCREAM Cherry SA.
We might collaborate to try and come up with something enough people will like to make it affordable.
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The problem with 1-2-3-3-3-4 is that they only have R3 spacebars, so the mods will be a different profile to the spacebar. I much prefer 3-1-2-3-4-3 if they do make those R4 shift molds. I also prefer the standard SA font on these caps. IMHO, Cherry font works best on DCS (and I love my Cherry Legend Replica set!), but wouldn't look great on SA profile. It's too "modern".
The fewer new legends that are included, the lower the price should be.
If you look at the Penumbra Keyset, it features a 1-2-3-3-3-4 layout with Row 4 mods and of course, a Row 3 spacebar.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aeRPxdI.jpg)
Therefore, I don't think 1-2-3-3-3-4 it's a problem and it doesn't look bad. What do you think? And stand by for the Standard SA font on these caps, mockup is being done.
It's not about the "look" of the profile. Keycaps are for typing on. How many people have actually typed on an SA set with uniform profile alphas? I have, and it feels very flat. That's why I advocate using 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles. The part that matters for typing, the alphas, are sculpted and would feel more natural, similar to how the backplate of a buckling spring keyboard is curved. That is what all sculptured keycaps are trying to replicate. Flattening out the alphas section, just for some aesthetic reason, is not justified.
Since your novelties will be in row 3 profile, it only makes sense for the F-row to be row 3.
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The problem with 1-2-3-3-3-4 is that they only have R3 spacebars, so the mods will be a different profile to the spacebar. I much prefer 3-1-2-3-4-3 if they do make those R4 shift molds. I also prefer the standard SA font on these caps. IMHO, Cherry font works best on DCS (and I love my Cherry Legend Replica set!), but wouldn't look great on SA profile. It's too "modern".
The fewer new legends that are included, the lower the price should be.
If you look at the Penumbra Keyset, it features a 1-2-3-3-3-4 layout with Row 4 mods and of course, a Row 3 spacebar.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/aeRPxdI.jpg)
Therefore, I don't think 1-2-3-3-3-4 it's a problem and it doesn't look bad. What do you think? And stand by for the Standard SA font on these caps, mockup is being done.
It's not about the "look" of the profile. Keycaps are for typing on. How many people have actually typed on an SA set with uniform profile alphas? I have, and it feels very flat. That's why I advocate using 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles. The part that matters for typing, the alphas, are sculpted and would feel more natural, similar to how the backplate of a buckling spring keyboard is curved. That is what all sculptured keycaps are trying to replicate. Flattening out the alphas section, just for some aesthetic reason, is not justified.
Since your novelties will be in row 3 profile, it only makes sense for the F-row to be row 3.
The problem is that SP can't make Shift on Row 4. Therefore, it's impossible to go for 3-1-2-3-4-3 or 2-1-2-3-4-3 right now. Currently, the F-Row is on row 1 and the Novelties, well, I designed some of them on Row 1, 2 and 3. Uploading mockups.
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to be fair, this is getting a bit silly, mito, what you need to do, is put this on hold if you want to run it in SA, purchase some SA sets, and actually try them, figure out what you like and what is comfortable for you, all of this is subjective, but you are trying to have a subjective argument/conversation on a topic you know nothing about and have zero experience with
please dont take this as me being rude or knocking you, i am simply trying to give you some advice to set you up in the best possible position for success
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to be fair, this is getting a bit silly, mito, what you need to do, is put this on hold if you want to run it in SA, purchase some SA sets, and actually try them, figure out what you like and what is comfortable for you, all of this is subjective, but you are trying to have a subjective argument/conversation on a topic you know nothing about and have zero experience with
please dont take this as me being rude or knocking you, i am simply trying to give you some advice to set you up in the best possible position for success
Thanks.
EDIT: But no, thanks.
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PuLSE Budget below.
BASE SET
(http://i.imgur.com/9jx6Hj7.png)
BASE SET W/ NOVELTIES
(http://i.imgur.com/OOHO6bP.png)
NOVELTIES
(http://i.imgur.com/p9xSKPo.png)
TSANGAN
(http://i.imgur.com/kWSDq70.png)
NUMPACK
(http://i.imgur.com/83l1eDZ.png)
ERGO
(http://i.imgur.com/MmzDkZs.png)
PROFILE SETUP
(http://i.imgur.com/fsKa6Dt.png)
Hope you like it. This is what they can produce (and it's affordable) until our GB launches.
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The problem is that SP can't make Shift on Row 4.
So people who order this keyset will forever be typing on flat alphas, just because a couple keys on the periphery aren't made in the correct profile?
Ask 7bit over at Deskthority how many orders he got for his Round 5 "Honeywell" SA set, that is done in 1-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, with row 3 Shifts.
Plus we already know from Melissa at SP that the Shift molds in row 4 profile are coming in just a couple of months. I just don't see how the Shift keys are making this a problem.
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to be fair, this is getting a bit silly, mito, what you need to do, is put this on hold if you want to run it in SA, purchase some SA sets, and actually try them, figure out what you like and what is comfortable for you, all of this is subjective, but you are trying to have a subjective argument/conversation on a topic you know nothing about and have zero experience with
please dont take this as me being rude or knocking you, i am simply trying to give you some advice to set you up in the best possible position for success
Thanks.
EDIT: But no, thanks.
its amazing that you talk about this project with such passion, when you clearly couldnt care less about it, in the grand scheme of things, taking a few weeks to learn about what you are trying to do will mean nothing in terms of time, but everything in terms of the quality of your decisions and the final version of this set, clearly, all you care about is rushing this through, as shown by your response, and this set completely changing several times in several days
if you cant even make up your mind, or research what you are trying to do, how are people meant to have faith in you leading this project
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The problem is that SP can't make Shift on Row 4.
So people who order this keyset will forever be typing on flat alphas, just because a couple keys on the periphery aren't made in the correct profile?
Ask 7bit over at Deskthority how many orders he got for his Round 5 "Honeywell" SA set, that is done in 1-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, with row 3 Shifts.
Plus we already know from Melissa at SP that the Shift molds in row 4 profile are coming in just a couple of months. I just don't see how the Shift keys are making this a problem.
We won't wait a couple of months and I read the entire thread of Honeywell on DT last night. Aesthetically, a Row 4 row with 2 Row 3 keys look weird weird to me. It's like a ghetto SA. And I'm going for the look at this point because sincerely, "typing on a flat surface" or on slightly angled keycaps won't make much of a difference in the end.
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What is wrong with flat alphas, a lot and I mean a lot of people type on flat alphas and really enjoy the experience. I know people who have taken a lot of time to study typing ergonomics and flat alphas are their favorite. Only because you don't like it does not mean is wrong, is just a matter of taste and it should not be pushed as a golden rule.
I hate sculpted profile, my fingers get stuck in there and I hate it. Only Cherry profile is low enough for my taste from the sculpted ones.
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What is wrong with flat alphas, a lot and I mean a lot of people type on flat alphas and really enjoy the experience. I know people who have taken a lot of time to study typing ergonomics and flat alphas are their favorite. Only because you don't like it does not mean is wrong, is just a matter of taste and it should not be pushed as a golden rule.
I hate sculpted profile, my fingers get stuck in there and I hate it. Only Cherry profile is low enough for my taste from the sculpted ones.
This.
I want something suitable for gaming and I don't want fingers sticking on rows.
You concluded the discussion, 1-2-3-3-3-4 is the final decision.
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What is wrong with flat alphas, a lot and I mean a lot of people type on flat alphas and really enjoy the experience. I know people who have taken a lot of time to study typing ergonomics and flat alphas are their favorite. Only because you don't like it does not mean is wrong, is just a matter of taste and it should not be pushed as a golden rule.
I hate sculpted profile, my fingers get stuck in there and I hate it. Only Cherry profile is low enough for my taste from the sculpted ones.
im not saying flat alphas are bad at all, i think its a preference thing, and im not fighting for either side, all i have been trying to suggest is that the person supposedly making the decision also has some understanding as to what he is deciding, what i do think everyone can agree on is, there is a massive difference between sculpted and flat, and the OP seems to think that is meaningless and we choose the shapes of keys based on aesthetics alone
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The problem is that SP can't make Shift on Row 4.
So people who order this keyset will forever be typing on flat alphas, just because a couple keys on the periphery aren't made in the correct profile?
Ask 7bit over at Deskthority how many orders he got for his Round 5 "Honeywell" SA set, that is done in 1-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, with row 3 Shifts.
Plus we already know from Melissa at SP that the Shift molds in row 4 profile are coming in just a couple of months. I just don't see how the Shift keys are making this a problem.
We won't wait a couple of months and I read the entire thread of Honeywell on DT last night. Aesthetically, a Row 4 row with 2 Row 3 keys look weird weird to me. It's like a ghetto SA. And I'm going for the look at this point because sincerely, "typing on a flat surface" or on slightly angled keycaps won't make much of a difference in the end.
Aesthetically based upon that side view drawing of profiles? Because that doesn't mean crap. It is the feels that matter.
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I know people who have taken a lot of time to study typing ergonomics and flat alphas are their favorite.
You have links to support this? I'm interested in reading what these people have to say on the subject.
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The problem is that SP can't make Shift on Row 4.
So people who order this keyset will forever be typing on flat alphas, just because a couple keys on the periphery aren't made in the correct profile?
Ask 7bit over at Deskthority how many orders he got for his Round 5 "Honeywell" SA set, that is done in 1-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, with row 3 Shifts.
Plus we already know from Melissa at SP that the Shift molds in row 4 profile are coming in just a couple of months. I just don't see how the Shift keys are making this a problem.
We won't wait a couple of months and I read the entire thread of Honeywell on DT last night. Aesthetically, a Row 4 row with 2 Row 3 keys look weird weird to me. It's like a ghetto SA. And I'm going for the look at this point because sincerely, "typing on a flat surface" or on slightly angled keycaps won't make much of a difference in the end.
Aesthetically based upon that side view drawing of profiles? Because that doesn't mean crap. It is the feels that matter.
Would you buy a car with real size mirrors in the place of side-mirrors? They would be great for driving.
Joking, I know what you're talking about. But the feels won't change as much as you believe they will by we going flat.
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the feels won't change as much as you believe they will by we going flat.
Says someone with zero typing experience on them. :(
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The problem is that SP can't make Shift on Row 4.
So people who order this keyset will forever be typing on flat alphas, just because a couple keys on the periphery aren't made in the correct profile?
Ask 7bit over at Deskthority how many orders he got for his Round 5 "Honeywell" SA set, that is done in 1-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, with row 3 Shifts.
Plus we already know from Melissa at SP that the Shift molds in row 4 profile are coming in just a couple of months. I just don't see how the Shift keys are making this a problem.
We won't wait a couple of months and I read the entire thread of Honeywell on DT last night. Aesthetically, a Row 4 row with 2 Row 3 keys look weird weird to me. It's like a ghetto SA. And I'm going for the look at this point because sincerely, "typing on a flat surface" or on slightly angled keycaps won't make much of a difference in the end.
Aesthetically based upon that side view drawing of profiles? Because that doesn't mean crap. It is the feels that matter.
Would you buy a car with real size mirrors in the place of side-mirrors? They would be great for driving.
Joking, I know what you're talking about. But the feels won't change as much as you believe they will by we going flat.
so, the person who has never even touched as SA key, is trying to tell people how little difference there is in the feeling of drastically different versions of them
this is what you are dealing with people
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The problem is that SP can't make Shift on Row 4.
So people who order this keyset will forever be typing on flat alphas, just because a couple keys on the periphery aren't made in the correct profile?
Ask 7bit over at Deskthority how many orders he got for his Round 5 "Honeywell" SA set, that is done in 1-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, with row 3 Shifts.
Plus we already know from Melissa at SP that the Shift molds in row 4 profile are coming in just a couple of months. I just don't see how the Shift keys are making this a problem.
We won't wait a couple of months and I read the entire thread of Honeywell on DT last night. Aesthetically, a Row 4 row with 2 Row 3 keys look weird weird to me. It's like a ghetto SA. And I'm going for the look at this point because sincerely, "typing on a flat surface" or on slightly angled keycaps won't make much of a difference in the end.
Aesthetically based upon that side view drawing of profiles? Because that doesn't mean crap. It is the feels that matter.
Would you buy a car with real size mirrors in the place of side-mirrors? They would be great for driving.
Joking, I know what you're talking about. But the feels won't change as much as you believe they will by we going flat.
so, the person who has never even touched as SA key, is trying to tell people how little difference there is in the feeling of drastically different versions of them
this is what you are dealing with people
Were you this critical of previous GBs with uniform SA alphas?
Just curious.
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The problem is that SP can't make Shift on Row 4.
So people who order this keyset will forever be typing on flat alphas, just because a couple keys on the periphery aren't made in the correct profile?
Ask 7bit over at Deskthority how many orders he got for his Round 5 "Honeywell" SA set, that is done in 1-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, with row 3 Shifts.
Plus we already know from Melissa at SP that the Shift molds in row 4 profile are coming in just a couple of months. I just don't see how the Shift keys are making this a problem.
We won't wait a couple of months and I read the entire thread of Honeywell on DT last night. Aesthetically, a Row 4 row with 2 Row 3 keys look weird weird to me. It's like a ghetto SA. And I'm going for the look at this point because sincerely, "typing on a flat surface" or on slightly angled keycaps won't make much of a difference in the end.
Aesthetically based upon that side view drawing of profiles? Because that doesn't mean crap. It is the feels that matter.
Would you buy a car with real size mirrors in the place of side-mirrors? They would be great for driving.
Joking, I know what you're talking about. But the feels won't change as much as you believe they will by we going flat.
so, the person who has never even touched as SA key, is trying to tell people how little difference there is in the feeling of drastically different versions of them
this is what you are dealing with people
Were you this critical of previous GBs with uniform SA alphas?
Just curious.
sir i dont think you can read, i did a gb with the profile he is copying, he even uses my buy as reference material
at no point am i arguing about the profile used, but commenting on his lack of understanding, he is making statements that he cant possibly make
he is telling people, that it makes no difference in feeling between sculted and flat, when he has tried neither
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I envy your patience and reserve Bunny :p :p :p
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If the OP has made a decision and provided the reason for the decision and has submitted the work and documentation along with his decision, I think it's perfectly fine to let it the IC continue as an IC and not harp on his decision... If you dislike why he got to his decision, it seems like it's something that should be discussed in PMs, no?
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So has the decision for SA profile been made?
Because the OP still has this option:
3) We change the profile to DCS but keep the Cherry Legends. We would have something similar to the Midnight Keyset when it comes to prices.
Just for the record. I'll pass on a SA set (because I don't like typing on SA), but will happily join a second Round in DCS :)
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Thanks.
EDIT: But no, thanks.
Why don't you take a deep breath and step off your high horse. Then start using some class when you get free advice from respected figures in the community you keep saying you are doing everything for.
We won't wait a couple of months and I read the entire thread of Honeywell on DT last night. Aesthetically, a Row 4 row with 2 Row 3 keys look weird weird to me. It's like a ghetto SA. And I'm going for the look at this point because sincerely, "typing on a flat surface" or on slightly angled keycaps won't make much of a difference in the end.
Who exactly is the 'we' you speak of? This community? They are pretty much the Kings and Queens of waiting an extra couple of months to get the right custom made parts for their hobby.
What what it is worth I like the colours. But, I think you need to get a re-count on the interest once you finalise the design (again).
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The problem is that SP can't make Shift on Row 4.
So people who order this keyset will forever be typing on flat alphas, just because a couple keys on the periphery aren't made in the correct profile?
Ask 7bit over at Deskthority how many orders he got for his Round 5 "Honeywell" SA set, that is done in 1-1-2-3-4-3 profiles, with row 3 Shifts.
Plus we already know from Melissa at SP that the Shift molds in row 4 profile are coming in just a couple of months. I just don't see how the Shift keys are making this a problem.
We won't wait a couple of months and I read the entire thread of Honeywell on DT last night. Aesthetically, a Row 4 row with 2 Row 3 keys look weird weird to me. It's like a ghetto SA. And I'm going for the look at this point because sincerely, "typing on a flat surface" or on slightly angled keycaps won't make much of a difference in the end.
Aesthetically based upon that side view drawing of profiles? Because that doesn't mean crap. It is the feels that matter.
Would you buy a car with real size mirrors in the place of side-mirrors? They would be great for driving.
Joking, I know what you're talking about. But the feels won't change as much as you believe they will by we going flat.
so, the person who has never even touched as SA key, is trying to tell people how little difference there is in the feeling of drastically different versions of them
this is what you are dealing with people
Were you this critical of previous GBs with uniform SA alphas?
Just curious.
sir i dont think you can read, i did a gb with the profile he is copying, he even uses my buy as reference material
at no point am i arguing about the profile used, but commenting on his lack of understanding, he is making statements that he cant possibly make
he is telling people, that it makes no difference in feeling between sculted and flat, when he has tried neither
So that's a no then.
Got it, thanks.
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I'm not replying to Bunny or others that aren't talking about the PuLSE Keyset IC.
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So has the decision for SA profile been made?
Because the OP still has this option:
3) We change the profile to DCS but keep the Cherry Legends. We would have something similar to the Midnight Keyset when it comes to prices.
Just for the record. I'll pass on a SA set (because I don't like typing on SA), but will happily join a second Round in DCS :)
Glad to see you back, but after a lot of thinking I figured out that this design on DCS would be a waste.
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I'm not replying to Bunny or others that aren't talking about the PuLSE Keyset IC.
Sorry to crap on your thread dude.
I like what you're doing so far.
Edit:
PuLSE Budget below.
BASE SET
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(http://i.imgur.com/9jx6Hj7.png)
BASE SET W/ NOVELTIES
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(http://i.imgur.com/OOHO6bP.png)
NOVELTIES
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(http://i.imgur.com/p9xSKPo.png)
TSANGAN
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(http://i.imgur.com/kWSDq70.png)
NUMPACK
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(http://i.imgur.com/83l1eDZ.png)
ERGO
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(http://i.imgur.com/MmzDkZs.png)
PROFILE SETUP
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(http://i.imgur.com/fsKa6Dt.png)
Hope you like it. This is what they can produce (and it's affordable) until our GB launches.
This is not sufficiently different from the original Cherry legends that I wouldn't buy it.
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Good luck with your group buy!
I'm out altogether from this point.
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Thanks.
EDIT: But no, thanks.
Why don't you take a deep breath and step off your high horse. Then start using some class when you get free advice from respected figures in the community you keep saying you are doing everything for.
We won't wait a couple of months and I read the entire thread of Honeywell on DT last night. Aesthetically, a Row 4 row with 2 Row 3 keys look weird weird to me. It's like a ghetto SA. And I'm going for the look at this point because sincerely, "typing on a flat surface" or on slightly angled keycaps won't make much of a difference in the end.
Who exactly is the 'we' you speak of? This community? They are pretty much the Kings and Queens of waiting an extra couple of months to get the right custom made parts for their hobby.
What what it is worth I like the colours. But, I think you need to get a re-count on the interest once you finalise the design (again).
We = the ones who want to buy the Keyset on Sep 8th. I won't step off my high horse because I won't buy every single SA keyset in the world just to try it in order to start my own GB ass the dood suggested.
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I'm not replying to Bunny or others that aren't talking about the PuLSE Keyset IC.
Sorry to crap on your thread dude.
I like what you're doing so far.
Don't worry, Ctrl.Alt dood believes he own copyrights over profile setups. I'm copying his stuff, of course.
It ain't my fault if he likes the color scheme and want to save it for a creation of his own in the near future.
PuLSE keyset will happen.
EDIT: Just saw your edit, I'm glad you like it. I tried to keep the keyset main concept after changing the legends.
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"Just shut the **** up and don't you ever talk about me and my understanding about stuff, on a thread whose purpose is to discuss technical specs."
this is the person you are all dealing with, a quote from mito himself
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Good luck with your group buy!
I'm out altogether from this point.
Same.
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Guys, no need to air dirty laundry. Seriously, if the keyset meets the interests of sufficient people, then let it run. If it doesn't, chalk it up as a lesson. No need to launch unfounded accusations or to put private messages into public...
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I'm requesting the assistance of a Moderator right here for obvious reasons.
Bunny, you can't bring me down by showing people this message. That's the PM I sent you after you you told me.
"dont make me laugh about time, you picked a couple colours and pictures, sp do all the work, run a proper group buy and then talk to me about the time commitment"
I didn't PICK pictures or colors, I designed them. With extreme caution. Again, shut up and quit my thread because you're not helping me or the ones who like the design.
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Guys, no need to air dirty laundry. Seriously, if the keyset meets the interests of sufficient people, then let it run. If it doesn't, chalk it up as a lesson. No need to launch unfounded accusations or to put private messages into public...
i ordinarily completely agree with your stance, however when someone like this comes in to the community, talking about we and us etc, but is sending me threatening messages for trying to offer constructive advice, i feel it is appropriate
i wasnt being rude to him, i was in fact trying to be very helpful, he was engaged in an argument/discourse with someone, trying to argue a point to which he had no understanding of, i simply suggested that he try an SA set, so he can see exactly what it is he does or doesnt like, so he can make a decision accordingly, that way, his gb had a better chance of success
he on the other hand, starting being very patronising and condescending to me, and sending me several threatening pms
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Good luck with your group buy!
I'm out altogether from this point.
^^ this
"Just shut the **** up and don't you ever talk about me and my understanding about stuff, on a thread whose purpose is to discuss technical specs."
this is the person you are all dealing with, a quote from mito himself
wow...why do people get so butthurt when others try to help
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I'm requesting the assistance of a Moderator right here for obvious reasons.
Bunny, you can't bring me down by showing people this message. That's the PM I sent you after you you told me.
"dont make me laugh about time, you picked a couple colours and pictures, sp do all the work, run a proper group buy and then talk to me about the time commitment"
I didn't PICK pictures or colors, I designed them. With extreme caution. Again, shut up and quit my thread because you're not helping me or the ones who like the design.
ok i woont pick and choose
here is the full convo
(http://i.imgur.com/FAtYSlC.jpg)
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I didn't PICK pictures or colors, I designed them. With extreme caution. Again, shut up and quit my thread because you're not helping me or the ones who like the design.
So just curious what exactly did you 'design'? I mean in all seriousness didn't you just pick two colors and then use information from everyone else to try and put something together that would sell?
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Good luck with your group buy!
I'm out altogether from this point.
^^ this
"Just shut the **** up and don't you ever talk about me and my understanding about stuff, on a thread whose purpose is to discuss technical specs."
this is the person you are all dealing with, a quote from mito himself
wow...why do people get so butthurt when others try to help
He wasn't trying to help. Below is what he said:
"dont make me laugh about time, you picked a couple colours and pictures, sp do all the work, run a proper group buy and then talk to me about the time commitment"
That's why I said shut the XXX.
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I didn't PICK pictures or colors, I designed them. With extreme caution. Again, shut up and quit my thread because you're not helping me or the ones who like the design.
So just curious what exactly did you 'design'? I mean in all seriousness didn't you just pick two colors and then use information from everyone else to try and put something together that would sell?
Every single icon you can see on the novelties are mine.
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Guys, no need to air dirty laundry. Seriously, if the keyset meets the interests of sufficient people, then let it run. If it doesn't, chalk it up as a lesson. No need to launch unfounded accusations or to put private messages into public...
i ordinarily completely agree with your stance, however when someone like this comes in to the community, talking about we and us etc, but is sending me threatening messages for trying to offer constructive advice, i feel it is appropriate
i wasnt being rude to him, i was in fact trying to be very helpful, he was engaged in an argument/discourse with someone, trying to argue a point to which he had no understanding of, i simply suggested that he try an SA set, so he can see exactly what it is he does or doesnt like, so he can make a decision accordingly, that way, his gb had a better chance of success
he on the other hand, starting being very patronising and condescending to me, and sending me several threatening pms
I understand that it is if he is patronizing and condescending and also threatening to you that you may want to have the community be aware, but I would think that bringing a moderator into the fray would have been better than making this blow up in the thread. I feel like Mito just got overwhelmed by the input of everyone into what he thinks is best, and is reacting as such. It may have been best to have asked for a moderator to step in when receiving those messages so that it didn't get this far...
Mito, please understand that I really like what you did with your design and I hope that it comes to fruition regardless of profile type. There is no reason to fight with someone else, and you calling for a moderator is the correct process. A moderator should have been brought in before the whole conflict escalated in PMs. I would be very very sad if this design was defeated specifically because of something that could have been kept private.
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Guys, no need to air dirty laundry. Seriously, if the keyset meets the interests of sufficient people, then let it run. If it doesn't, chalk it up as a lesson. No need to launch unfounded accusations or to put private messages into public...
i ordinarily completely agree with your stance, however when someone like this comes in to the community, talking about we and us etc, but is sending me threatening messages for trying to offer constructive advice, i feel it is appropriate
i wasnt being rude to him, i was in fact trying to be very helpful, he was engaged in an argument/discourse with someone, trying to argue a point to which he had no understanding of, i simply suggested that he try an SA set, so he can see exactly what it is he does or doesnt like, so he can make a decision accordingly, that way, his gb had a better chance of success
he on the other hand, starting being very patronising and condescending to me, and sending me several threatening pms
I understand that it is if he is patronizing and condescending and also threatening to you that you may want to have the community be aware, but I would think that bringing a moderator into the fray would have been better than making this blow up in the thread. I feel like Mito just got overwhelmed by the input of everyone into what he thinks is best, and is reacting as such. It may have been best to have asked for a moderator to step in when receiving those messages so that it didn't get this far...
Mito, please understand that I really like what you did with your design and I hope that it comes to fruition regardless of profile type. There is no reason to fight with someone else, and you calling for a moderator is the correct process. A moderator should have been brought in before the whole conflict escalated in PMs. I would be very very sad if this design was defeated specifically because of something that could have been kept private.
i did speak to a moderator, and it wouldnt be polite to repeat what they though about the messages
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The thread became a complete mess once again. But the details are pretty much decided at this point.
If you have any suggestions, feel free to drop'em here. And if you want to discuss something that's not the PuLSE keyset, PM whoever you wanna talk to.
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I've gotta say, completely regardless of the keyset, this thread sure is interesting!
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Guys, no need to air dirty laundry. Seriously, if the keyset meets the interests of sufficient people, then let it run. If it doesn't, chalk it up as a lesson. No need to launch unfounded accusations or to put private messages into public...
i ordinarily completely agree with your stance, however when someone like this comes in to the community, talking about we and us etc, but is sending me threatening messages for trying to offer constructive advice, i feel it is appropriate
i wasnt being rude to him, i was in fact trying to be very helpful, he was engaged in an argument/discourse with someone, trying to argue a point to which he had no understanding of, i simply suggested that he try an SA set, so he can see exactly what it is he does or doesnt like, so he can make a decision accordingly, that way, his gb had a better chance of success
he on the other hand, starting being very patronising and condescending to me, and sending me several threatening pms
I understand that it is if he is patronizing and condescending and also threatening to you that you may want to have the community be aware, but I would think that bringing a moderator into the fray would have been better than making this blow up in the thread. I feel like Mito just got overwhelmed by the input of everyone into what he thinks is best, and is reacting as such. It may have been best to have asked for a moderator to step in when receiving those messages so that it didn't get this far...
Mito, please understand that I really like what you did with your design and I hope that it comes to fruition regardless of profile type. There is no reason to fight with someone else, and you calling for a moderator is the correct process. A moderator should have been brought in before the whole conflict escalated in PMs. I would be very very sad if this design was defeated specifically because of something that could have been kept private.
I promess you that the keyset will happen and BunnyLake is trying to destroy the project since day one, when he found out that I was new on the scene and lacked some techinical knowledge. He then, is trying to push people away from the GB by showing them how much of a noob I am. Won't work though.
EDIT: PLEASE, I BEG YOU. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE KEYSET ONLY.
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Gotta do some personal stuff, I will be back in a few hours. Please, don't destroy the thread with flaming it would be terrible to stop talking about the relevant aspects of the keyset.
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ok
so here are my feelings, im not sure why mito decided to start attacking me in this thread, i was genuinely trying to help and be constructive, i wont offer any more advice and or criticism, i completely agree it is poor form to post pms, but i didnt take kindly to what was said, nor did i find it appropriate, you may see in some of my posts a negative tone, but each part of the conversation i started in this thread was positive and said so in a manner that reflected that, i only felt i became derogatory or negative in response to some of the replies i had back, either through not bothering to read and understand my point, or out naivety. i sincerely apologise for any offence and disruption caused to anybody who is genuinely interested in this set, its a good colour way and i was only trying to make sure that it was done justice, and didnt suffer any pitfulls common in first time gbs
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I'm with you on that :thumb: The keyset is important.
Picking 2 colors is what every ABS keyset designer does, so let's not start this argument again.
For the rest of the OT stuff I have no comment, I expected most of that.
Love what MiTo is doing :thumb:
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PLEASE, I BEG YOU. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE KEYSET ONLY.
If you're so set on the profiles and design, why did you bother making the discussion thread instead of just putting the GB up on PMK. I'd really like to see this buy in 1-1-2-3-4-3 with the row 3 shifts as jdcarpe mentioned. Or wait until row 4 shifts come out. But since you obviously don't want to have a discussion about it, I don't see what the point is. I'm confused as to what exactly can I discuss now.
I was away for a week and I saw this buy today. Colors are awesome but I'm not so thrilled about your decision making. Can't hurt to do a bit of research and look into it. I care far more about the feel of the caps than the look. If you're not sure about the profile, maybe you can try it out and let us know what you think instead of just posting your arbitrary opinion of "it looking like a ghetto SA". Shiny Cherry caps may look bad but they feel great to me. It's not for everyone though. And that's where the discussion on materials comes in. It's a real turn off when there's a discussion on the profiles and your dismissal is so cavalier.
I'm really disappointed with how this thread has turned out. Especially with the bickering and more so with the decision making process.
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So, now that the handbags have been put away, and hopefully we've stopped personally attacking each other, can we ****ing discuss the keyset?
If my understanding is correct:(for base sets alone for simplicity)
25-49 MoQ = $224
50-74 MoQ = $138
75-99 MoQ = ---- etc...
I would personally be happy to drop the cherry legends, in fact, i'd go as far as saying i'd prefer it.
As for switching to DCS, I'd like to avoid that, but if it;s what's required to get the group-buy going, then I'd be ok with it.
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I would personally be happy to drop the cherry legends, in fact, i'd go as far as saying i'd prefer it.
I also think that this is the proper thing to do to get the costs down.
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I would personally be happy to drop the cherry legends, in fact, i'd go as far as saying i'd prefer it.
I also think that this is the proper thing to do to get the costs down.
Well, OP said earlier that the standard legends are close enough and he will use them.
I don't even know what's left to discuss as apparently everything is already decided :D
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Alright, stay on topic. The organizer has his mind set on what he wants, and it's obvious that it's not changing. He is allowed to make his own decisions, and he's had more than enough input from the outside to base his decision on. Any further suggestions or discussion need to be taken to PM.
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edit: late to the party
Still really like these colors!
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Move it to a GB and we'll see if it lives or dies.
Best of luck.
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I would personally be happy to drop the cherry legends, in fact, i'd go as far as saying i'd prefer it.
I also think that this is the proper thing to do to get the costs down.
But isn't that what makes this kind of stand out? Maybe this design needs to just be paused for the time being, to build up more awareness, let people get thru the recent barrage of Group Buys and then do it right the first time.
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Move it to a GB and we'll see if it lives or dies.
Best of luck.
Oh there is one already http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61997.0 ^-^ (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61997.0)
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So, now that the handbags have been put away, and hopefully we've stopped personally attacking each other, can we ****ing discuss the keyset?
If my understanding is correct:(for base sets alone for simplicity)
25-49 MoQ = $224
50-74 MoQ = $138
75-99 MoQ = ---- etc...
I would personally be happy to drop the cherry legends, in fact, i'd go as far as saying i'd prefer it.
As for switching to DCS, I'd like to avoid that, but if it;s what's required to get the group-buy going, then I'd be ok with it.
Looks like SA profile (any combination) with Cherry legends won't happen due to cost issues. Latest update (back a page or two) included designs with the SP standard font. It looks pretty good.
So we're still with SA profile, and it's looking like it will be a 1-2-3-3-3-4 row layout. I'm sure MiTo wouldn't mind entertaining an X-1-2-3-4-3 layout (I'd like to try it personally) but asking him to wait an unknown number of months for SP to maybe, possibly get their molds updated is a bit much. There will one day be an SA-profile set from SP with an X-1-2-3-4-3 row layout, maybe even with Cherry legends(!), but PuLSE is not it.
Edit: Question -- This is your Ergo kit:
(http://i.imgur.com/MmzDkZs.png)
Any chance you could add some Row 3 1u blanks to this? Either color. Maybe 4-6 of them would be perfect.
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Good luck with your group buy!
I'm out altogether from this point.
+1
Calling R5 "weird weird" is really too much.
What i've seen lately is a rising tide of **** that grows and grows and it really worries me.
Speaking of your set the colors choice are nice, regarding the novelties our taste is very different indeed.
All in all i think you've lost a great opportunity.
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I think just adding 1u blanks to it's own buy would be best. Currently I think nuclear has a flat rate of $0.25 ea.
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I think just adding 1u blanks to it's own buy would be best. Currently I think nuclear has a flat rate of $0.25 ea.
That would be totally OK with me. As long as they're part of the GB somewhere.
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I'm back. Will answer most of what was said here.
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PLEASE, I BEG YOU. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE KEYSET ONLY.
If you're so set on the profiles and design, why did you bother making the discussion thread instead of just putting the GB up on PMK. I'd really like to see this buy in 1-1-2-3-4-3 with the row 3 shifts as jdcarpe mentioned. Or wait until row 4 shifts come out. But since you obviously don't want to have a discussion about it, I don't see what the point is. I'm confused as to what exactly can I discuss now.
I was away for a week and I saw this buy today. Colors are awesome but I'm not so thrilled about your decision making. Can't hurt to do a bit of research and look into it. I care far more about the feel of the caps than the look. If you're not sure about the profile, maybe you can try it out and let us know what you think instead of just posting your arbitrary opinion of "it looking like a ghetto SA". Shiny Cherry caps may look bad but they feel great to me. It's not for everyone though. And that's where the discussion on materials comes in. It's a real turn off when there's a discussion on the profiles and your dismissal is so cavalier.
I'm really disappointed with how this thread has turned out. Especially with the bickering and more so with the decision making process.
First Captain, I did bother making this discussion thread instead of launching a GB for an insane amount of reasons. Which I will list below.
Initially the PuLSE keyset was created to be applied on DCS keycaps. So, I came here to ask which kits people wanted, which keycaps, which colors, icons, legends. Some people mentioned Cherry Legends and we tried that out and also, that it would be great on SA Profile and that's why I considered it. By that time, I wasn't aware that I could select SA Profiles for each row with SP. This is not clear on their website and I thought that every single SA keyset produced by them featured a standard 1-2-3-3-3-3-4 or something like that. By that time, Bunny and others showed up here throwing stuff at me because I was lacking key details regarding a SA groupbuy and by that point, things escalated to what you saw today.
They claim they were trying to help, but they did it on the worst possible way, by criticizing my personna and by saying that I should reconsider everything, quit, buy SA keysets to try them out (oh ok, let me just pay $500 for a few keysets in order to start a GB, who the hell does that, probably someone but not me, seriously). That wasn't needed. Instead of doing this, why they didn't talk to me in a decent way?
Like:
"Hey MiTo, maybe you're not aware, but SA Profile setups can be done in whatever the way you want to. And you know what, 1-2-3-3-3-4 is good but a lot of people dislike it. Let me tell you the options we've got."
Also, instead of talking to me properly regarding the hashbaz stuff (Cherry Legends ownership) they again did it on the worst possible manner. But I won't talk about that because it's in the past.
If you're talking about research on Profiles, here's my opinion. This keyset is meant to be a good fit to everybody. Typists, gamers, enthusiasts, collectors. Everyone. And I think that the balance between the setups and these people general tastes, is a good 1-2-3-3-3-4. This is what SP will be able to produce on September 8th, it would look great and feel good do use (I simply believe it will, if it's not good, why other keysets with this profile were a success?).
Regarding the ghetto setup, I will try to be as clear as I can.
In my understanding, every single keycap on a row gotta be on the same profile because that's what they're meant to be. You don't mix it. I understand that Honeywell, 7bit, or whatever did mix them and it was looking and feeling good at the end, but I can't see why we would do that here. Row 3 and 4 from the pictures I've seen (and I spent the entire night last night looking at them) are not THAT different when it comes to FEEL. I simply believe that making a row 4 shift row with row 3 shift keys is kind of a improvisation. And I don't want to make improvisation or so-so things with PuLSE. I want something classy, solid, remarkable.
Please, let me know if I missed something.
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So, now that the handbags have been put away, and hopefully we've stopped personally attacking each other, can we ****ing discuss the keyset?
If my understanding is correct:(for base sets alone for simplicity)
25-49 MoQ = $224
50-74 MoQ = $138
75-99 MoQ = ---- etc...
I would personally be happy to drop the cherry legends, in fact, i'd go as far as saying i'd prefer it.
As for switching to DCS, I'd like to avoid that, but if it;s what's required to get the group-buy going, then I'd be ok with it.
Hello Emmiya I'm glad you brought some opinions to the discussion. You are right about those prices and they are the reason why we discarded the Cherry Legends option. It would be way too expensive. We want to keep the SA profile but with different legends, and that you can see right here. Let me know what you think. http://imgur.com/a/OgbuD
Peace.
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I would personally be happy to drop the cherry legends, in fact, i'd go as far as saying i'd prefer it.
I also think that this is the proper thing to do to get the costs down.
Yes, Melissa answered with the new prices and I believe you guys will agree they are good for us to go with them. I'll update OP soon.
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Alright, stay on topic. The organizer has his mind set on what he wants, and it's obvious that it's not changing. He is allowed to make his own decisions, and he's had more than enough input from the outside to base his decision on. Any further suggestions or discussion need to be taken to PM.
The only thing I want is a good looking set. This is not a dictatorship. It's a GroupBuy. And everything can change, if it's a common consensus with decent points.
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Move it to a GB and we'll see if it lives or dies.
Best of luck.
Oh there is one already http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61997.0 ^-^ (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61997.0)
Why would I do that if we're not ready? I tried and failed, that's why we're here again.
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First Captain, I did bother making this discussion thread instead of launching a GB for an insane amount of reasons. Which I will list below.
Initially the PuLSE keyset was created to be applied on DCS keycaps. So, I came here to ask which kits people wanted, which keycaps, which colors, icons, legends. Some people mentioned Cherry Legends and we tried that out and also, that it would be great on SA Profile and that's why I considered it. By that time, I wasn't aware that I could select SA Profiles for each row with SP. This is not clear on their website and I thought that every single SA keyset produced by them featured a standard 1-2-3-3-3-3-4 or something like that.
So are we still discussing profiles or are you set on SA? Just because another buy did it doesn't mean you have to. And are you attached to the September date for a particular reason?
By that time, Bunny and others showed up here throwing stuff at me because I was lacking key details regarding a SA groupbuy and by that point, things escalated to what you saw today.
They claim they were trying to help, but they did it on the worst possible way, by criticizing my personna and by saying that I should reconsider everything, quit, buy SA keysets to try them out (oh ok, let me just pay $500 for a few keysets in order to start a GB, who the hell does that, probably someone but not me, seriously). That wasn't needed. Instead of doing this, why they didn't talk to me in a decent way?
Like:
"Hey MiTo, maybe you're not aware, but SA Profile setups can be done in whatever the way you want to. And you know what, 1-2-3-3-3-4 is good but a lot of people dislike it. Let me tell you the options we've got."
Also, instead of talking to me properly regarding the hashbaz stuff (Cherry Legends ownership) they again did it on the worst possible manner. But I won't talk about that because it's in the past.
If you're talking about research on Profiles, here's my opinion. This keyset is meant to be a good fit to everybody. Typists, gamers, enthusiasts, collectors. Everyone. And I think that the balance between the setups and these people general tastes, is a good 1-2-3-3-3-4. This is what SP will be able to produce on September 8th, it would look great and feel good do use (I simply believe it will, if it's not good, why other keysets with this profile were a success?).
I really don't care about your drama and how you chose deal with it. I don't think you dealt with it that well and frankly, you could have left it to PMs if you didn't want to deal with it.
Regarding the ghetto setup, I will try to be as clear as I can.
In my understanding, every single keycap on a row gotta be on the same profile because that's what they're meant to be. You don't mix it. I understand that Honeywell, 7bit, or whatever did mix them and it was looking and feeling good at the end, but I can't see why we would do that here. Row 3 and 4 from the pictures I've seen (and I spent the entire night last night looking at them) are not THAT different when it comes to FEEL. I simply believe that making a row 4 shift row with row 3 shift keys is kind of a improvisation. And I don't want to make improvisation or so-so things with PuLSE. I want something classy, solid, remarkable.
Please, let me know if I missed something.
*Looking* at keycaps and typing on them are two different things. Have you ever typed on a set of SA? What were your thoughts about it? Did you prefer the 1-1-2-3-4-3 to the 1-2-3-3-3-4 layout? Or do you like DCS? I really can't figure out what you're into other than a sudden post saying it's SA and this layout. And since this is your project and buy, it would be nice to see what you'd like in keycaps other than the looks.
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Good luck with your group buy!
I'm out altogether from this point.
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Calling R5 "weird weird" is really too much.
What i've seen lately is a rising tide of **** that grows and grows and it really worries me.
Speaking of your set the colors choice are nice, regarding the novelties our taste is very different indeed.
All in all i think you've lost a great opportunity.
I think it's weird, feel free to think otherwise. If you don't like the novelties you don't need to buy them or even support them. And I didn't lose any opportunities as far as I'm concerned. Mostly because this is an IC.
On the other hand, I appreciate your inputs and I'd like to ask if you've got any ideas to share regarding the keyset.
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In my understanding, every single keycap on a row gotta be on the same profile because that's what they're meant to be. You don't mix it. I understand that Honeywell, 7bit, or whatever did mix them and it was looking and feeling good at the end, but I can't see why we would do that here. Row 3 and 4 from the pictures I've seen (and I spent the entire night last night looking at them) are not THAT different when it comes to FEEL. I simply believe that making a row 4 shift row with row 3 shift keys is kind of a improvisation. And I don't want to make improvisation or so-so things with PuLSE. I want something classy, solid, remarkable.
You specifically mentioned you wanted all Row 3 for gaming purposes. (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61822.msg1445395#msg1445395) If you want to do something classy, solid, and remarkable, then take some time off from this, wait til Row 4 Shifts are available and do them with the full sculpted profile.
Take the time to figure out your legend rights issues with hashbaz or whoever, and take the time to just sort out everything and address everyone's concerns as best you can, thank you for getting the ball rolling. I want this set to take off and be successful, but price wise its just a huge buy in at this moment and i am concerned about the legend rights and IP aspects.
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I think just adding 1u blanks to it's own buy would be best. Currently I think nuclear has a flat rate of $0.25 ea.
That would be totally OK with me. As long as they're part of the GB somewhere.
Data, I agree with everything you said, thank you very much for your support. Maybe if we go with a particulat setup in PuLSE and people end up hating it, we can try different stuff on my Airborne Keyset which I didn't release yet.
Could you please specify again what you want on the Ergopack so I can add it?
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Good luck with your group buy!
I'm out altogether from this point.
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Calling R5 "weird weird" is really too much.
What i've seen lately is a rising tide of **** that grows and grows and it really worries me.
Speaking of your set the colors choice are nice, regarding the novelties our taste is very different indeed.
All in all i think you've lost a great opportunity.
I think it's weird, feel free to think otherwise. If you don't like the novelties you don't need to buy them or even support them. And I didn't lose any opportunities as far as I'm concerned. Mostly because this is an IC.
On the other hand, I appreciate your inputs and I'd like to ask if you've got any ideas to share regarding the keyset.
R5 is definitely weird, I mean come on, who has a group buy that sells over 100,000 keycaps....am I right? :facepalm:
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In my understanding, every single keycap on a row gotta be on the same profile because that's what they're meant to be. You don't mix it. I understand that Honeywell, 7bit, or whatever did mix them and it was looking and feeling good at the end, but I can't see why we would do that here. Row 3 and 4 from the pictures I've seen (and I spent the entire night last night looking at them) are not THAT different when it comes to FEEL. I simply believe that making a row 4 shift row with row 3 shift keys is kind of a improvisation. And I don't want to make improvisation or so-so things with PuLSE. I want something classy, solid, remarkable.
You specifically mentioned you wanted all Row 3 for gaming purposes. (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61822.msg1445395#msg1445395) If you want to do something classy, solid, and remarkable, then take some time off from this, wait til Row 4 Shifts are available and do them with the full sculpted profile.
Take the time to figure out your legend rights issues with hashbaz or whoever, and take the time to just sort out everything and address everyone's concerns as best you can, thank you for getting the ball rolling. I want this set to take off and be successful, but price wise its just a huge buy in at this moment and i am concerned about the legend rights and IP aspects.
There are no rights involved because Cherry Legends are out of the game. We're going with SP Standard. You can see them on the Nuclear Set modifiers and on Skull Squadron alphas. This set will be succesfull and I've got an update regarding prices. I'll update OP soon.
Thank you for your time and attention.
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First Captain, I did bother making this discussion thread instead of launching a GB for an insane amount of reasons. Which I will list below.
Initially the PuLSE keyset was created to be applied on DCS keycaps. So, I came here to ask which kits people wanted, which keycaps, which colors, icons, legends. Some people mentioned Cherry Legends and we tried that out and also, that it would be great on SA Profile and that's why I considered it. By that time, I wasn't aware that I could select SA Profiles for each row with SP. This is not clear on their website and I thought that every single SA keyset produced by them featured a standard 1-2-3-3-3-3-4 or something like that.
So are we still discussing profiles or are you set on SA? Just because another buy did it doesn't mean you have to. And are you attached to the September date for a particular reason?
By that time, Bunny and others showed up here throwing stuff at me because I was lacking key details regarding a SA groupbuy and by that point, things escalated to what you saw today.
They claim they were trying to help, but they did it on the worst possible way, by criticizing my personna and by saying that I should reconsider everything, quit, buy SA keysets to try them out (oh ok, let me just pay $500 for a few keysets in order to start a GB, who the hell does that, probably someone but not me, seriously). That wasn't needed. Instead of doing this, why they didn't talk to me in a decent way?
Like:
"Hey MiTo, maybe you're not aware, but SA Profile setups can be done in whatever the way you want to. And you know what, 1-2-3-3-3-4 is good but a lot of people dislike it. Let me tell you the options we've got."
Also, instead of talking to me properly regarding the hashbaz stuff (Cherry Legends ownership) they again did it on the worst possible manner. But I won't talk about that because it's in the past.
If you're talking about research on Profiles, here's my opinion. This keyset is meant to be a good fit to everybody. Typists, gamers, enthusiasts, collectors. Everyone. And I think that the balance between the setups and these people general tastes, is a good 1-2-3-3-3-4. This is what SP will be able to produce on September 8th, it would look great and feel good do use (I simply believe it will, if it's not good, why other keysets with this profile were a success?).
I really don't care about your drama and how you chose deal with it. I don't think you dealt with it that well and frankly, you could have left it to PMs if you didn't want to deal with it.
Regarding the ghetto setup, I will try to be as clear as I can.
In my understanding, every single keycap on a row gotta be on the same profile because that's what they're meant to be. You don't mix it. I understand that Honeywell, 7bit, or whatever did mix them and it was looking and feeling good at the end, but I can't see why we would do that here. Row 3 and 4 from the pictures I've seen (and I spent the entire night last night looking at them) are not THAT different when it comes to FEEL. I simply believe that making a row 4 shift row with row 3 shift keys is kind of a improvisation. And I don't want to make improvisation or so-so things with PuLSE. I want something classy, solid, remarkable.
Please, let me know if I missed something.
*Looking* at keycaps and typing on them are two different things. Have you ever typed on a set of SA? What were your thoughts about it? Did you prefer the 1-1-2-3-4-3 to the 1-2-3-3-3-4 layout? Or do you like DCS? I really can't figure out what you're into other than a sudden post saying it's SA and this layout. And since this is your project and buy, it would be nice to see what you'd like in keycaps other than the looks.
Yes I did on an industrial terminal (cabinetry company) and I don't know which profile it had. The keycaps were curved, the "Alphas" of the machine were flat and it was easy to use. That's what I can say. I like all of the profiles, DCS, DSA, all of them look good and feel good. I want something good to use and beautiful to the eyes, nothing else.
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Just noticed the interest check page at PMK still notes Cherry Replica Font; might want to have that edited so people voting aren't mislead.
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Just noticed the interest check page at PMK still notes Cherry Replica Font; might want to have that edited so people voting aren't mislead.
Good point, my bad.
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Check out the images in this thread and tell me if the row 3 Shifts with the row 4 keycaps looks "ghetto" to you. (This was before 7bit had SP make new molds to fix the odd sizes of the Shift keys). This keycap set was Round 4 Spherical, or "Space Cadet," which was 3-1-2-3-4-3.
I'm hoping this is still up for discussion, as it does specifically pertain the the keyset here.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46286.0
Specifically, these images (all images credit to eth0s):
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem1.jpg)
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem2.jpg)
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem3.jpg)
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Check out the images in this thread and tell me if the row 3 Shifts with the row 4 keycaps looks "ghetto" to you. (This was before 7bit had SP make new molds to fix the odd sizes of the Shift keys). This keycap set was Round 4 Spherical, or "Space Cadet," which was 3-1-2-3-4-3.
I'm hoping this is still up for discussion, as it does specifically pertain the the keyset here.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46286.0
Specifically, these images (all images credit to eth0s):
Show Image
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem1.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem2.jpg)
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(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem3.jpg)
JD, your efforts towards this thread are amazing. I'm so happy you still with us! Look at the inputs you've been doing, most of them are great. I've got great news to you, check OP. And yes, it looks ghetto to me. But I can see the classic feel you guys want PuLSE to have and clearly, it's an option. Let's see what others think.
Should we really consider Row 3 Shift keys on a Row 4 row?
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MASSIVE UPDATE, BREAKING NEWS, STOP EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING AND GO READ IT!
Check OP.
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Just for clarity, price shown for base is $79/67 at MOQ of 25/50? Or 50/100?
I have no issues with Row 4 with Row 3 shift.
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Just for clarity, price shown for base is $79/67 at MOQ of 25/50? Or 50/100?
I have no issues with Row 4 with Row 3 shift.
25/50.
EDIT: Added 25/50 info to OP. Row 4 with Row 3 Shift being ok is getting more attention.
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So, in my view, there are four groups of people who are interested in this keyset:
1. Those who want traditional sculpted, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles, and won't buy if otherwise;
2. Those who want a modified sculpted, to match the row 3 Shifts, with uniform alphas, i.e. 1-2-3-3-3-4, and won't buy otherwise;
3. Those who want uniform row 3 throughout the set;
and
4. Those who just like SA-profile, like the colorway, and don't care about the specifics.
Myself and several others who have spoken in support of the traditional sculpted approach are obviously in group 1. MiTo, you seem to be in group 2, with an unknown number of others, we haven't heard from anyone in group 3 to my knowledge, and the VAST MAJORITY of prospective buyers are likely in group 4.
So what you have to weigh is, will the orders you lose by excluding the members of group 1 or 2 be significant enough to affect MOQ or pricing? They might be. Unfortunately, I don't really have a good solution for gauging what the numbers are in each group.
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So, in my view, there are four groups of people who are interested in this keyset:
1. Those who want traditional sculpted, i.e. 3-1-2-3-4-3 row profiles, and won't buy if otherwise;
2. Those who want a modified sculpted, to match the row 3 Shifts, with uniform alphas, i.e. 1-2-3-3-3-4, and won't buy otherwise;
3. Those who want uniform row 3 throughout the set;
and
4. Those who just like SA-profile, like the colorway, and don't care about the specifics.
Myself and several others who have spoken in support of the traditional sculpted approach are obviously in group 1. MiTo, you seem to be in group 2, with an unknown number of others, we haven't heard from anyone in group 3 to my knowledge, and the VAST MAJORITY of prospective buyers are likely in group 4.
So what you have to weigh is, will the orders you lose by excluding the members of group 1 or 2 be significant enough to affect MOQ or pricing? They might be. Unfortunately, I don't really have a good solution for gauging what the numbers are in each group.
I believe that when it comes to MOQ, group 4 and 1 could go together. Group 3 and 2 would most likely hop on the hype train since they are the minority.
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I may be a total noob, but I'm comparing my Penumbra;
the shifts seem hardly different [barely noticeable next to each other on a table from the other mods.
Different row shifts on 3-1-2-3-4-3 doesn't seem to matter much to me.
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I posted on PMK that the set is gonna be 2-1-2-3-4-3 SA Profile. Just to see if there's anyone aware of that there.
We are getting close to change PuLSE to 2-1-2-3-4-3 or 3-1-2-3-4-3 SA.
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I'm going to stay away from home for the next two days but I'll try to come here at night. Please, discuss about 2-1-2-3-4-3 or 3-1-2-3-4-3.
JD, tell me if you think that people on group 1 would accept 2-1-2-3-4-3.
Let's go guys, keep voting until Aug 27th.
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JD, tell me if you think that people on group 1 would accept 2-1-2-3-4-3.
I don't think it's going to keep the group 1 people from buying if the set ends up as 2-1-2-3-4-3, but neither would 1-1-2-3-4-3, or 1-1-2-3-4-4. I suggested row 3 for the top row so that people can use novelties, including the novelties in this very buy. Row 3 would probably match better with artisan caps on the F-row, as well, such as Clacks and Bro Caps.
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JD, tell me if you think that people on group 1 would accept 2-1-2-3-4-3.
I don't think it's going to keep the group 1 people from buying if the set ends up as 2-1-2-3-4-3, but neither would 1-1-2-3-4-3, or 1-1-2-3-4-4. I suggested row 3 for the top row so that people can use novelties, including the novelties in this very buy. Row 3 would probably match better with artisan caps on the F-row, as well, such as Clacks and Bro Caps.
Clack sand Bro Caps are a huge thing to consider. As they are kinda flat, a Row 3 on the top would be the perfect balance apparently. Gasmasks and stuff like that would fit well.
Does a significant amount of people have anything against 3-1-2-3-4-3?
We've got some days to decide this final detail. After that, we can move to the finish we will adopt and that's it, we're done. Also, make sure to submit your requests to the Ergopack and other packs here.
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I don't own any bros or clacks.
Could someone that owns either a bro or clack and an SA set take a picture of R3 next to an artisan cap? side and top view
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This is BunnyLake's image:
(http://i.imgur.com/OsybojD.jpg)
Now that is Calm Depths, so those numbers are row 2, with the Clack next to it, and it looks kinda strange with the angle of the row 2 caps.
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The updated pricing is much more attractive! Do we need to vote again if we have already voted previously?
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This is BunnyLake's image:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OsybojD.jpg)
Now that is Calm Depths, so those numbers are row 2, with the Clack next to it, and it looks kinda strange with the angle of the row 2 caps.
Definitely looks weird. The little angle broke the symmetry. /r/MK apparently like 3-1-2-3-4-3.
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This is BunnyLake's image:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OsybojD.jpg)
Now that is Calm Depths, so those numbers are row 2, with the Clack next to it, and it looks kinda strange with the angle of the row 2 caps.
Definitely looks weird. The little angle broke the symmetry. /r/MK apparently like 3-1-2-3-4-3.
Also, I personally think it looks somewhat strange to have the entire bottom row at an angle (row 4), with the flatter row 3 spacebar (only option for spacebar).
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Hey folks long time lurker, but I believe I've caught the KB Fever. I've been following a couple of threads related to this group buy and initially I was mostly interested because the color was something I'd like to have. Although some of the comments got a little 'tense', it seems like all of the interest/discussion/opinions have really pushed this into a more interesting direction.
Props to MiTo on the keycap layout and being persistent. Great input from GH on top of that. I can't give much in the way of personal experience when it comes to the profile discussion, this will be my first SA set. Regardless, I feel like a strong argument has been made for sculpted alphas like jdcarpe recommended on page 7 of this thread. Is it possible that a Clack Artisans out there may make something that fit a 3-1-2-3-4-3 set up in the future? Maybe that is a consideration when it comes to catering to the standard clack profile. Admittedly, I don't know the limitations.
4. Those who just like SA-profile, like the colorway, and don't care about the specifics.
Ultimately I am in this category, but you have my continued interest.
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This is BunnyLake's image:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OsybojD.jpg)
Now that is Calm Depths, so those numbers are row 2, with the Clack next to it, and it looks kinda strange with the angle of the row 2 caps.
Definitely looks weird. The little angle broke the symmetry. /r/MK apparently like 3-1-2-3-4-3.
Also, I personally think it looks somewhat strange to have the entire bottom row at an angle (row 4), with the flatter row 3 spacebar (only option for spacebar).
JD, i know they have Row 4 shift molds in the works, but do you know if there is a 'Row 5' profile for the spacebar / mods or will they generally remain Row 3
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This is BunnyLake's image:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OsybojD.jpg)
Now that is Calm Depths, so those numbers are row 2, with the Clack next to it, and it looks kinda strange with the angle of the row 2 caps.
Definitely looks weird. The little angle broke the symmetry. /r/MK apparently like 3-1-2-3-4-3.
Also, I personally think it looks somewhat strange to have the entire bottom row at an angle (row 4), with the flatter row 3 spacebar (only option for spacebar).
JD, i know they have Row 4 shift molds in the works, but do you know if there is a 'Row 5' profile for the spacebar / mods or will they generally remain Row 3
No, not that I know of. I think the angle would be a bit extreme for a "Row 5." :D
Row 4 spacebar would be nice, but I don't know of any plans for that, either.
Once they get the molds made for the row 4 Shifts, I think we will have pretty much everything we need for SA, going forward.
And, as I stated previously, even if SP doesn't have the row 4 Shift molds done by the time these go into production (they might!), there could always be a "Shift Key" GB later on, just for those in this colorway.
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thank you for that clarification JD
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JD, tell me if you think that people on group 1 would accept 2-1-2-3-4-3.
I don't think it's going to keep the group 1 people from buying if the set ends up as 2-1-2-3-4-3, but neither would 1-1-2-3-4-3, or 1-1-2-3-4-4. I suggested row 3 for the top row so that people can use novelties, including the novelties in this very buy. Row 3 would probably match better with artisan caps on the F-row, as well, such as Clacks and Bro Caps.
This. I fall into group 1 as well. SA should have a classic feel to it, which having a fully sculped set would achieve. A single key GB later (if the mold is not done while in production) would be a simple thing.
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As part of group 4, with those new price-points im 100% in :)
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Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
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Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
My only real recommendation is to also include an additional ~ and \ key in the same color as the alphas in the base set. I know you were going for the whole symmetry look, but it just looks wrong to me. Those keys are not function keys, so to my eye they should match the alphas.
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Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
I think the ergodox set is fine, as long as you include a child buy for the blanks in the various sizes. And to separate the ergodox set from those blanks, would legends on the current setup be possible?
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My only real recommendation is to also include an additional ~ and \ key in the same color as the alphas in the base set. I know you were going for the whole symmetry look, but it just looks wrong to me. Those keys are not function keys, so to my eye they should match the alphas.
^ +1
this.
Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
just like to highlight something to you since you requested for more details regarding ergodox.
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assuming if you are going for the 3-1-2-3-4-3 layout, this is what the average ergodox user will be having in their doxes.
see all those blue 1u keys? it's not included in the ergodox kit because i think someone mentioned to you that we don't need it as those can be replaced with novelty keys by using matt's granite set as reference point.
but i have to disagree with that whole point of not including blank 1u keys in the ergodox kit because, looking at the picture and looking at your novelty keys and the non-symmetrical layout rows, you'll see the problem.
we'll have grand canyons at the bottom row with mixed keys from different row due to the highly customizable nature of ergodox.
EDIT: the 1u blanks on the dox can be GEW colour as well...doesn't have to be BBJ, its up to you to design it. i'm just putting all of the essential ergodox key to BBJ to indicate them.
again, i've no experience with SA keyset on ergodox but i have used OEM/Filco layout on ergodox and it isn't that pretty and even worse if you have a bit of OCD like me :p
people who uses SA keys on ergodox, do kindly step forward with your inputs if there's any.
on another note regarding the problem for 60% boards seeing the profile for num row is 1 (assuming 3-1-2-3-4-3)
how about having a separate kit for 60%? like row 3 for the whole stretch of numrow (including row 3 backspace) so your cc and bb and whatever novelty doesn't look awkward on 60% boards with SA :))
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This is BunnyLake's image:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OsybojD.jpg)
Now that is Calm Depths, so those numbers are row 2, with the Clack next to it, and it looks kinda strange with the angle of the row 2 caps.
Looks weird. The Clack looks totally different with all the other keys. I mean about the height and the angle.
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If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
Great you're offering extra 'novelty keys' because this is after all Geekhack ;D .
Be fully aware though that 'if' the prices start rising on these then we'll see who are the real lovers of this key-set design and whether it'll indeed tip in time. The 'Nuclear Set' is cheap hence it's numbers have increased substantially and it looks like an easy tipping point to reach. The main reason for this would have to be the low price point that offers a whole set of keys to fill 80% of standard keyboards out there.
You'll need to decide whether you want to appeal to full on customizers or newbies wanting to decorate their keyboard for the first time.
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If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
Great you're offering extra 'novelty keys' because this is after all Geekhack ;D .
Be fully aware though that 'if' the prices start rising on these then we'll see who are the real lovers of this key-set design and whether it'll indeed tip in time. The 'Nuclear Set' is cheap hence it's numbers have increased substantially and it looks like an easy tipping point to reach. The main reason for this would have to be the low price point that offers a whole set of keys to fill 80% of standard keyboards out there.
You'll need to decide whether you want to appeal to full on customizers or newbies wanting to decorate their keyboard for the first time.
Instead of adding the Row 1 Esc keycap (for 60% users) I think it's right to add a 60% Stripe Pack to the keyset. It's gonna feature an entire number row on row 3, specially for the 60%ers.
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Reading a bit more about the posssible rows I might give SA another chance.
I really like the looks of my Commando 23 set, but I simply don't like typing on it.
Maybe I like the 3-1-2-3-4-3 setup more?!
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The updated pricing is much more attractive! Do we need to vote again if we have already voted previously?
Probably not, but more votes would be nice. We gotta keep pushing it forward!
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Reading a bit more about the posssible rows I might give SA another chance.
I really like the looks of my Commando 23 set, but I simply don't like typing on it.
Maybe I like the 3-1-2-3-4-3 setup more?!
Leave the gun, pick the canolli.
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Hey folks long time lurker, but I believe I've caught the KB Fever. I've been following a couple of threads related to this group buy and initially I was mostly interested because the color was something I'd like to have. Although some of the comments got a little 'tense', it seems like all of the interest/discussion/opinions have really pushed this into a more interesting direction.
Props to MiTo on the keycap layout and being persistent. Great input from GH on top of that. I can't give much in the way of personal experience when it comes to the profile discussion, this will be my first SA set. Regardless, I feel like a strong argument has been made for sculpted alphas like jdcarpe recommended on page 7 of this thread. Is it possible that a Clack Artisans out there may make something that fit a 3-1-2-3-4-3 set up in the future? Maybe that is a consideration when it comes to catering to the standard clack profile. Admittedly, I don't know the limitations.
4. Those who just like SA-profile, like the colorway, and don't care about the specifics.
Ultimately I am in this category, but you have my continued interest.
You're very welcome to the discussion, I'm also new here!
About the Clacks, I believe that they can fit nicely on Row 3. Gotta hear from owners though.
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JD, tell me if you think that people on group 1 would accept 2-1-2-3-4-3.
I don't think it's going to keep the group 1 people from buying if the set ends up as 2-1-2-3-4-3, but neither would 1-1-2-3-4-3, or 1-1-2-3-4-4. I suggested row 3 for the top row so that people can use novelties, including the novelties in this very buy. Row 3 would probably match better with artisan caps on the F-row, as well, such as Clacks and Bro Caps.
This. I fall into group 1 as well. SA should have a classic feel to it, which having a fully sculped set would achieve. A single key GB later (if the mold is not done while in production) would be a simple thing.
For this reason I want to go 3-1-2-3-4-3. Seems the obvious choice right now. After taking a closer look on the pictures, I believe that collectors, gamers and typists would be ok with this setup. Space Cadet was a good example and the Clacks POV is also really strong.
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Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
My only real recommendation is to also include an additional ~ and \ key in the same color as the alphas in the base set. I know you were going for the whole symmetry look, but it just looks wrong to me. Those keys are not function keys, so to my eye they should match the alphas.
As you wish! Will add those keys to the Base Set.
I'm picking the most interesting inputs and considering them.
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Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
I think the ergodox set is fine, as long as you include a child buy for the blanks in the various sizes. And to separate the ergodox set from those blanks, would legends on the current setup be possible?
I don't want to split the Ergo too much. Want it as condensed as possible, so it can easily tip. You are recommending me to add legended mods to it? I'm sorry, but when it comes to Ergo, I need an ELI5.
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Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
My only real recommendation is to also include an additional ~ and \ key in the same color as the alphas in the base set. I know you were going for the whole symmetry look, but it just looks wrong to me. Those keys are not function keys, so to my eye they should match the alphas.
As you wish! Will add those keys to the Base Set.
I'm picking the most interesting inputs and considering them.
I thought this was already included?
These two keys always split the community - that's why I strongly recommended to include both options as you can satisfy everyone without adding significant costs and that's why every major GB features both options :thumb:
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My only real recommendation is to also include an additional ~ and \ key in the same color as the alphas in the base set. I know you were going for the whole symmetry look, but it just looks wrong to me. Those keys are not function keys, so to my eye they should match the alphas.
^ +1
this.
Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
just like to highlight something to you since you requested for more details regarding ergodox.
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assuming if you are going for the 3-1-2-3-4-3 layout, this is what the average ergodox user will be having in their doxes.
see all those blue 1u keys? it's not included in the ergodox kit because i think someone mentioned to you that we don't need it as those can be replaced with novelty keys by using matt's granite set as reference point.
but i have to disagree with that whole point of not including blank 1u keys in the ergodox kit because, looking at the picture and looking at your novelty keys and the non-symmetrical layout rows, you'll see the problem.
we'll have grand canyons at the bottom row with mixed keys from different row due to the highly customizable nature of ergodox.
EDIT: the 1u blanks on the dox can be GEW colour as well...doesn't have to be BBJ, its up to you to design it. i'm just putting all of the essential ergodox key to BBJ to indicate them.
again, i've no experience with SA keyset on ergodox but i have used OEM/Filco layout on ergodox and it isn't that pretty and even worse if you have a bit of OCD like me :p
people who uses SA keys on ergodox, do kindly step forward with your inputs if there's any.
on another note regarding the problem for 60% boards seeing the profile for num row is 1 (assuming 3-1-2-3-4-3)
how about having a separate kit for 60%? like row 3 for the whole stretch of numrow (including row 3 backspace) so your cc and bb and whatever novelty doesn't look awkward on 60% boards with SA :))
Amazing input mate, that's what I need. As I mentioned, I'm a full noob when it comes to Ergo. But I'm on mobile and can't do much atm. I gotta think and look to a bigger screen to fully understand what you tried to explain. I gotta see what I'll need to change on the ErgoPack looking at the svgs file. I don't know if I gotta add legended mods to it, blanks 1us with specific profiles... I will solve this on Monday.
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Yes the off color ~ and \ are important.
row 3 for artisan caps seems important too.
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Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
My only real recommendation is to also include an additional ~ and \ key in the same color as the alphas in the base set. I know you were going for the whole symmetry look, but it just looks wrong to me. Those keys are not function keys, so to my eye they should match the alphas.
As you wish! Will add those keys to the Base Set.
I'm picking the most interesting inputs and considering them.
I thought this was already included?
These two keys always split the community - that's why I strongly recommended to include both options as you can satisfy everyone without adding significant costs and that's why every major GB features both options :thumb:
It was included on the Cherry Legended version I believe, not sure because I'm on mobile and can't check the old mockups. But I'll certainly add those keys to the new Base Set!
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Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
My only real recommendation is to also include an additional ~ and \ key in the same color as the alphas in the base set. I know you were going for the whole symmetry look, but it just looks wrong to me. Those keys are not function keys, so to my eye they should match the alphas.
As you wish! Will add those keys to the Base Set.
I'm picking the most interesting inputs and considering them.
I thought this was already included?
These two keys always split the community - that's why I strongly recommended to include both options as you can satisfy everyone without adding significant costs and that's why every major GB features both options :thumb:
really? i thought the one that split the community was winkey :p :))
My only real recommendation is to also include an additional ~ and \ key in the same color as the alphas in the base set. I know you were going for the whole symmetry look, but it just looks wrong to me. Those keys are not function keys, so to my eye they should match the alphas.
^ +1
this.
Found a bit of 3G here, I think that by this point we should indeed adopt the 3-1-2-3-4-3 profile and a future Shift only GB if needed. The statement JD made about the Clacks is really strong in my POV. I want to listen what others think about it and also, I need details about the Ergodox as some people requested more keycaps for it.
If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
just like to highlight something to you since you requested for more details regarding ergodox.
(Attachment Link)
assuming if you are going for the 3-1-2-3-4-3 layout, this is what the average ergodox user will be having in their doxes.
see all those blue 1u keys? it's not included in the ergodox kit because i think someone mentioned to you that we don't need it as those can be replaced with novelty keys by using matt's granite set as reference point.
but i have to disagree with that whole point of not including blank 1u keys in the ergodox kit because, looking at the picture and looking at your novelty keys and the non-symmetrical layout rows, you'll see the problem.
we'll have grand canyons at the bottom row with mixed keys from different row due to the highly customizable nature of ergodox.
EDIT: the 1u blanks on the dox can be GEW colour as well...doesn't have to be BBJ, its up to you to design it. i'm just putting all of the essential ergodox key to BBJ to indicate them.
again, i've no experience with SA keyset on ergodox but i have used OEM/Filco layout on ergodox and it isn't that pretty and even worse if you have a bit of OCD like me :p
people who uses SA keys on ergodox, do kindly step forward with your inputs if there's any.
on another note regarding the problem for 60% boards seeing the profile for num row is 1 (assuming 3-1-2-3-4-3)
how about having a separate kit for 60%? like row 3 for the whole stretch of numrow (including row 3 backspace) so your cc and bb and whatever novelty doesn't look awkward on 60% boards with SA :))
Amazing input mate, that's what I need. As I mentioned, I'm a full noob when it comes to Ergo. But I'm on mobile and can't do much atm. I gotta think and look to a bigger screen to fully understand what you tried to explain. I gotta see what I'll need to change on the ErgoPack looking at the svgs file. I don't know if I gotta add legended mods to it, blanks 1us with specific profiles... I will solve this on Monday.
no problem. if there's anything that you don't understand, can always ask. i'll try to explain if i can :p
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Concave J-F for bumps on the Novelty Pack?
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Check out the images in this thread and tell me if the row 3 Shifts with the row 4 keycaps looks "ghetto" to you. (This was before 7bit had SP make new molds to fix the odd sizes of the Shift keys). This keycap set was Round 4 Spherical, or "Space Cadet," which was 3-1-2-3-4-3.
I'm hoping this is still up for discussion, as it does specifically pertain the the keyset here.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46286.0
Specifically, these images (all images credit to eth0s):
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(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem1.jpg)
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(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem2.jpg)
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(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem3.jpg)
JD, do you know if the top arrow on the arrow cluster is Row 4?
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Check out the images in this thread and tell me if the row 3 Shifts with the row 4 keycaps looks "ghetto" to you. (This was before 7bit had SP make new molds to fix the odd sizes of the Shift keys). This keycap set was Round 4 Spherical, or "Space Cadet," which was 3-1-2-3-4-3.
I'm hoping this is still up for discussion, as it does specifically pertain the the keyset here.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46286.0
Specifically, these images (all images credit to eth0s):
Show Image
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem1.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem2.jpg)
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(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem3.jpg)
JD, do you know if the top arrow on the arrow cluster is Row 4?
The UP arrow key should also be in row 3 profile. Good catch!
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Check out the images in this thread and tell me if the row 3 Shifts with the row 4 keycaps looks "ghetto" to you. (This was before 7bit had SP make new molds to fix the odd sizes of the Shift keys). This keycap set was Round 4 Spherical, or "Space Cadet," which was 3-1-2-3-4-3.
I'm hoping this is still up for discussion, as it does specifically pertain the the keyset here.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46286.0
Specifically, these images (all images credit to eth0s):
Show Image
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem1.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem2.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i1148.photobucket.com/albums/o580/eth0sz/Round4problem3.jpg)
JD, do you know if the top arrow on the arrow cluster is Row 4?
The UP arrow key should also be in row 3 profile. Good catch!
Symmetry on arrow cluster is indeed important.
EDIT: I'll remove the inverted arrows, because right now we've got texted arrows on blue and iconed arrows on grey (on the novelties). No reason for inverted arrows at this point, I believe.
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A good reading about SA arrow cluster
http://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/spherical-cursor-key-profile-the-poll-t6761.html
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A good reading about SA arrow cluster
http://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/spherical-cursor-key-profile-the-poll-t6761.html
Nicely done, great find! I think we are going to the right direction then, with a full Row 3 arrow cluster. I'll swap the colors when I get home, though.
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If you guys need more novelties on a specific row, let me now. Somebody on /r/MK requested a Row 2 extra Esc key because of the Poker II layout. Just let me know in the next couple of days.
Great you're offering extra 'novelty keys' because this is after all Geekhack ;D .
Be fully aware though that 'if' the prices start rising on these then we'll see who are the real lovers of this key-set design and whether it'll indeed tip in time. The 'Nuclear Set' is cheap hence it's numbers have increased substantially and it looks like an easy tipping point to reach. The main reason for this would have to be the low price point that offers a whole set of keys to fill 80% of standard keyboards out there.
You'll need to decide whether you want to appeal to full on customizers or newbies wanting to decorate their keyboard for the first time.
I think the answer here is balance. The extra novelties will not rise the costs as much because the pack is pretty cheap. I don't plan on designing more or new novelties, because I think they are not needed. I want to see if people have any suggestions about their profile though. Also, the Base Set prices are a huge attractive already and the SA profile chosen, its a great addon to the set. Clearly, PuLSE seems a good choice to collectors, typists, gamers and enthusiasts. It's also a nice choice for first timers.
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Instead of adding the Row 1 Esc keycap (for 60% users) I think it's right to add a 60% Stripe Pack to the keyset. It's gonna feature an entire number row on row 3, specially for the 60%ers.
Can you just include this extra ESC keycap in the novelty pack so the costs will stay low? How much will this stripe cost?
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Instead of adding the Row 1 Esc keycap (for 60% users) I think it's right to add a 60% Stripe Pack to the keyset. It's gonna feature an entire number row on row 3, specially for the 60%ers.
Can you just include this extra ESC keycap in the novelty pack so the costs will stay low? How much will this stripe cost?
I think it's a good idea to add the ESC R1 keycap do the Novelties and offer a 60% R3 Stripe separately, at the same time. I need to add this Stripe because some 60%ers may want to give a Row 3 look to their number row, for the looks and for the Clacks, and I'm estimating something like $10 for this Stripe.
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Ok, I see what you mean now.
Another suggestion: please add the ability to purchase blank keys like what we can currently do with the Nuclear group buy that's currently active on PMK. Here's a link: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Might be a little more complicated than what's going on with that set because I think that set uses the same profile for all rows. I think offering Row 3 blanks would be great.
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I want to see if people have any suggestions about their profile though.
You've done the DECENT thing and chosen the SA Profile, enough said here :thumb: .
Anything else would be absolutely nasty and deplorable, so glad we have another GB organizer that's seen the light of perfection.
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Like I said earlier in other keycap threads; it is best for the organizers to provide start off with the base alphanumerics instead of a TKL.
The number of 60% users and sub-60% users here are increasing, and I believe that these crowds are insane drivers for SA profile keycaps.
Personally, I'd prefer if we can keep to Row-3 uniform (easier to switch layouts between QWERTY and Dvorak/Workman/Etc.) and for the benefit of the Ergo crowds also.
In the end, the main reason for my preference is because I don't like to see wasted caps, and people can just buy the caps that they need to complete the board that they want, instead of having a bunch of keys that are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
So, my idea would be:
1. Base kit: Alphanumerics and punctuation only.
2. 60% kit (modifiers mainly)
3. TKL kit (function row and navigation 9-keys)
4. Numpad.
5. Novelties.
6. Ergodoxen kit (blanks are best, since there are as many layouts as users).
7. Tsangan mod Kit.
8. So on and so forth.
You get the gist of it from the above.
However, this is not without drawbacks, as Matt3o once commented that such a distribution of caps might eventually be more expensive than just buying the TKL set and tacking on the addons instead (and having leftover keys).
Of course, you need to understand my current background is that I am mainly using a Lightsaber (until it is collected) and an Ergodox. I have a baggie for each GB that I participated in that contains the leftover keys that I will never need.
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Like I said earlier in other keycap threads; it is best for the organizers to provide start off with the base alphanumerics instead of a TKL.
The number of 60% users and sub-60% users here are increasing, and I believe that these crowds are insane drivers for SA profile keycaps.
Personally, I'd prefer if we can keep to Row-3 uniform (easier to switch layouts between QWERTY and Dvorak/Workman/Etc.) and for the benefit of the Ergo crowds also.
In the end, the main reason for my preference is because I don't like to see wasted caps, and people can just buy the caps that they need to complete the board that they want, instead of having a bunch of keys that are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
So, my idea would be:
1. Base kit: Alphanumerics and punctuation only.
2. 60% kit (modifiers mainly)
3. TKL kit (function row and navigation 9-keys)
4. Numpad.
5. Novelties.
6. Ergodoxen kit (blanks are best, since there are as many layouts as users).
7. Tsangan mod Kit.
8. So on and so forth.
You get the gist of it from the above.
However, this is not without drawbacks, as Matt3o once commented that such a distribution of caps might eventually be more expensive than just buying the TKL set and tacking on the addons instead (and having leftover keys).
Of course, you need to understand my current background is that I am mainly using a Lightsaber (until it is collected) and an Ergodox. I have a baggie for each GB that I participated in that contains the leftover keys that I will never need.
There are plenty of SA sets out there with uniform row 3 profile, or row 3 alphas. In fact, there is a set on PMK right now, Nuclear Data. Can we get a true sculptured set for once, done in the "right" way with regard to row profiles? That's what I and others have been advocating for here.
And, in my opinion, having a complete set as the base is way less confusing for people, and helps bring in orders. People who need or want specialized kits can purchase them as options. But a TKL or 104 set as the base just makes sense, as that is what the VAST MAJORITY of people buying these need.
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Granite R2 AND this set are gonna make my wallet hurt, but I'm gonna be so pumped in a couple of months when they are in!!
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Like I said earlier in other keycap threads; it is best for the organizers to provide start off with the base alphanumerics instead of a TKL.
The number of 60% users and sub-60% users here are increasing, and I believe that these crowds are insane drivers for SA profile keycaps.
Personally, I'd prefer if we can keep to Row-3 uniform (easier to switch layouts between QWERTY and Dvorak/Workman/Etc.) and for the benefit of the Ergo crowds also.
In the end, the main reason for my preference is because I don't like to see wasted caps, and people can just buy the caps that they need to complete the board that they want, instead of having a bunch of keys that are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
So, my idea would be:
1. Base kit: Alphanumerics and punctuation only.
2. 60% kit (modifiers mainly)
3. TKL kit (function row and navigation 9-keys)
4. Numpad.
5. Novelties.
6. Ergodoxen kit (blanks are best, since there are as many layouts as users).
7. Tsangan mod Kit.
8. So on and so forth.
You get the gist of it from the above.
However, this is not without drawbacks, as Matt3o once commented that such a distribution of caps might eventually be more expensive than just buying the TKL set and tacking on the addons instead (and having leftover keys).
Of course, you need to understand my current background is that I am mainly using a Lightsaber (until it is collected) and an Ergodox. I have a baggie for each GB that I participated in that contains the leftover keys that I will never need.
There are plenty of SA sets out there with uniform row 3 profile, or row 3 alphas. In fact, there is a set on PMK right now, Nuclear Data. Can we get a true sculptured set for once, done in the "right" way with regard to row profiles? That's what I and others have been advocating for here.
And, in my opinion, having a complete set as the base is way less confusing for people, and helps bring in orders. People who need or want specialized kits can purchase them as options. But a TKL or 104 set as the base just makes sense, as that is what the VAST MAJORITY of people buying these need.
Yeah, I get the idea behind it too, but I hate the green in the nuclear data set :P
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Ok, I see what you mean now.
Another suggestion: please add the ability to purchase blank keys like what we can currently do with the Nuclear group buy that's currently active on PMK. Here's a link: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Might be a little more complicated than what's going on with that set because I think that set uses the same profile for all rows. I think offering Row 3 blanks would be great.
That's really confusing actually, I don't know how can I make this work with PuLSE.
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Like I said earlier in other keycap threads; it is best for the organizers to provide start off with the base alphanumerics instead of a TKL.
The number of 60% users and sub-60% users here are increasing, and I believe that these crowds are insane drivers for SA profile keycaps.
Personally, I'd prefer if we can keep to Row-3 uniform (easier to switch layouts between QWERTY and Dvorak/Workman/Etc.) and for the benefit of the Ergo crowds also.
In the end, the main reason for my preference is because I don't like to see wasted caps, and people can just buy the caps that they need to complete the board that they want, instead of having a bunch of keys that are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
So, my idea would be:
1. Base kit: Alphanumerics and punctuation only.
2. 60% kit (modifiers mainly)
3. TKL kit (function row and navigation 9-keys)
4. Numpad.
5. Novelties.
6. Ergodoxen kit (blanks are best, since there are as many layouts as users).
7. Tsangan mod Kit.
8. So on and so forth.
You get the gist of it from the above.
However, this is not without drawbacks, as Matt3o once commented that such a distribution of caps might eventually be more expensive than just buying the TKL set and tacking on the addons instead (and having leftover keys).
Of course, you need to understand my current background is that I am mainly using a Lightsaber (until it is collected) and an Ergodox. I have a baggie for each GB that I participated in that contains the leftover keys that I will never need.
There are plenty of SA sets out there with uniform row 3 profile, or row 3 alphas. In fact, there is a set on PMK right now, Nuclear Data. Can we get a true sculptured set for once, done in the "right" way with regard to row profiles? That's what I and others have been advocating for here.
And, in my opinion, having a complete set as the base is way less confusing for people, and helps bring in orders. People who need or want specialized kits can purchase them as options. But a TKL or 104 set as the base just makes sense, as that is what the VAST MAJORITY of people buying these need.
I understood his point as I almost can feel how bad it is to look at a drawer and see basically a complete set with all the leftover stuff you don't use. People feel they are wasting money, by buying stuff they don't actually use, but I gotta say that they shouldn't feel like that because of the Group Buy concept. The sets are split the way they are in order to balance and actually split the costs to everybody. Let's say that 24 people end up buying a a TKL stripe and 30 people end up buying a 60% stripe. What happened is that 24 people didn't get their stuff because the 60%ers saved $10 or so each.
I believe that a compact GB is the way to go.
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Granite R2 AND this set are gonna make my wallet hurt, but I'm gonna be so pumped in a couple of months when they are in!!
I'm doing my best to offer you the most incredible keyset you'll ever own!
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UPDATED PICTURES ON OP.
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UPDATED PICTURES ON OP.
I think this is the BEST laid out key-set that clearly explains which row is applied to every key displayed - cudos MiTo :thumb: .
If no one votes for this latest key-set, then they're utter MORONS (that's putting it nicely) 8) . I truly hopes this has legs to run right into SP's molds as fast as possible.
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Like I said earlier in other keycap threads; it is best for the organizers to provide start off with the base alphanumerics instead of a TKL.
The number of 60% users and sub-60% users here are increasing, and I believe that these crowds are insane drivers for SA profile keycaps.
Personally, I'd prefer if we can keep to Row-3 uniform (easier to switch layouts between QWERTY and Dvorak/Workman/Etc.) and for the benefit of the Ergo crowds also.
In the end, the main reason for my preference is because I don't like to see wasted caps, and people can just buy the caps that they need to complete the board that they want, instead of having a bunch of keys that are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
So, my idea would be:
1. Base kit: Alphanumerics and punctuation only.
2. 60% kit (modifiers mainly)
3. TKL kit (function row and navigation 9-keys)
4. Numpad.
5. Novelties.
6. Ergodoxen kit (blanks are best, since there are as many layouts as users).
7. Tsangan mod Kit.
8. So on and so forth.
You get the gist of it from the above.
However, this is not without drawbacks, as Matt3o once commented that such a distribution of caps might eventually be more expensive than just buying the TKL set and tacking on the addons instead (and having leftover keys).
Of course, you need to understand my current background is that I am mainly using a Lightsaber (until it is collected) and an Ergodox. I have a baggie for each GB that I participated in that contains the leftover keys that I will never need.
There are plenty of SA sets out there with uniform row 3 profile, or row 3 alphas. In fact, there is a set on PMK right now, Nuclear Data. Can we get a true sculptured set for once, done in the "right" way with regard to row profiles? That's what I and others have been advocating for here.
And, in my opinion, having a complete set as the base is way less confusing for people, and helps bring in orders. People who need or want specialized kits can purchase them as options. But a TKL or 104 set as the base just makes sense, as that is what the VAST MAJORITY of people buying these need.
I understood his point as I almost can feel how bad it is to look at a drawer and see basically a complete set with all the leftover stuff you don't use. People feel they are wasting money, by buying stuff they don't actually use, but I gotta say that they shouldn't feel like that because of the Group Buy concept. The sets are split the way they are in order to balance and actually split the costs to everybody. Let's say that 24 people end up buying a a TKL stripe and 30 people end up buying a 60% stripe. What happened is that 24 people didn't get their stuff because the 60%ers saved $10 or so each.
I believe that a compact GB is the way to go.
think of it this way, it'll be easier to sell your keycaps (if you want to one day) since you can sell to both 60% board users AND tkl board users ;D
or when you got yourself a tkl board, you'll be squeezing your balls for not getting the tkl base set :)) :)) :))
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Ok, I see what you mean now.
Another suggestion: please add the ability to purchase blank keys like what we can currently do with the Nuclear group buy that's currently active on PMK. Here's a link: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Might be a little more complicated than what's going on with that set because I think that set uses the same profile for all rows. I think offering Row 3 blanks would be great.
That's really confusing actually, I don't know how can I make this work with PuLSE.
What do you mean? Just allow us to purchase (at the very least) Row 3 blanks in the colors available in the set (the dark grey, blue and orange colors). It'll be even better if we can buy blank mods (especially 1.5), but 1x caps would be great.
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FYI, I don't even care about the colorway or the specialty legends. I really don't even care about the Cherry replica legends. All I care about is sculpted SA profile. If this set is done in a "no compromises" way, I'll buy in, possibly heavily. But a compromised row profile, and I'm out completely.
I think it's best to just wait for Matt3o to run the SA Retro GB. I've bought into Nuclear Green on the off chance of getting a sculpted kit later, but I think the only surefire way of getting a 3-1-2-3-4-3 SA set is from SA Retro. We still have to wait for SP to make the R4 shift key molds. Anyway, the only caps I'm getting before SA Retro will be Bunny's GMK Hyperfuse. At least that's my current intention....
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Ok, I see what you mean now.
Another suggestion: please add the ability to purchase blank keys like what we can currently do with the Nuclear group buy that's currently active on PMK. Here's a link: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Might be a little more complicated than what's going on with that set because I think that set uses the same profile for all rows. I think offering Row 3 blanks would be great.
That's really confusing actually, I don't know how can I make this work with PuLSE.
What do you mean? Just allow us to purchase (at the very least) Row 3 blanks in the colors available in the set (the dark grey, blue and orange colors). It'll be even better if we can buy blank mods (especially 1.5), but 1x caps would be great.
I second this. A few 1u blanks (either color) in the ErgoPack would be very welcome. I suggested it a few pages back but it was lost in the chaos.
Edit: Actually, he's got them in there now. Gotta scroll down to see it, but it's in a new kit called Halfadox -- 10 1u blanks in blue, row 3. 10 of them is probably overkill for a half-ErgoDox kit. :p
(http://i.imgur.com/fZX27wi.png)
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There is a multi-quote option so you can include multiple quotes in one reply, just FYI
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There is a multi-quote option so you can include multiple quotes in one reply, just FYI
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The decimal point in the numpad kit seems really weird when it is the only legend that isn't center set (or maybe that's just me).
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The decimal point in the numpad kit seems really weird when it is the only legend that isn't center set (or maybe that's just me).
Yeah, looks like it just got nudged over in editing or something. Probably a mistake.
(http://i.imgur.com/RwceFd0.png)
I dig that orange Pulse key. I'd almost request a matching Enter key but I'm not sure it would really add anything.
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UPDATED PICTURES ON OP.
I think this is the BEST laid out key-set that clearly explains which row is applied to every key displayed - cudos MiTo :thumb: .
If no one votes for this latest key-set, then they're utter MORONS (that's putting it nicely) 8) . I truly hopes this has legs to run right into SP's molds as fast as possible.
Apreciate it Elrick, it took some time to make it, and a decent display is the least I can do.
However, I'm not sure if the 1u + key on the Numpad is on the correct profile though, because I never had a Numpad with such a key.
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Like I said earlier in other keycap threads; it is best for the organizers to provide start off with the base alphanumerics instead of a TKL.
The number of 60% users and sub-60% users here are increasing, and I believe that these crowds are insane drivers for SA profile keycaps.
Personally, I'd prefer if we can keep to Row-3 uniform (easier to switch layouts between QWERTY and Dvorak/Workman/Etc.) and for the benefit of the Ergo crowds also.
In the end, the main reason for my preference is because I don't like to see wasted caps, and people can just buy the caps that they need to complete the board that they want, instead of having a bunch of keys that are sitting in a drawer somewhere.
So, my idea would be:
1. Base kit: Alphanumerics and punctuation only.
2. 60% kit (modifiers mainly)
3. TKL kit (function row and navigation 9-keys)
4. Numpad.
5. Novelties.
6. Ergodoxen kit (blanks are best, since there are as many layouts as users).
7. Tsangan mod Kit.
8. So on and so forth.
You get the gist of it from the above.
However, this is not without drawbacks, as Matt3o once commented that such a distribution of caps might eventually be more expensive than just buying the TKL set and tacking on the addons instead (and having leftover keys).
Of course, you need to understand my current background is that I am mainly using a Lightsaber (until it is collected) and an Ergodox. I have a baggie for each GB that I participated in that contains the leftover keys that I will never need.
There are plenty of SA sets out there with uniform row 3 profile, or row 3 alphas. In fact, there is a set on PMK right now, Nuclear Data. Can we get a true sculptured set for once, done in the "right" way with regard to row profiles? That's what I and others have been advocating for here.
And, in my opinion, having a complete set as the base is way less confusing for people, and helps bring in orders. People who need or want specialized kits can purchase them as options. But a TKL or 104 set as the base just makes sense, as that is what the VAST MAJORITY of people buying these need.
I understood his point as I almost can feel how bad it is to look at a drawer and see basically a complete set with all the leftover stuff you don't use. People feel they are wasting money, by buying stuff they don't actually use, but I gotta say that they shouldn't feel like that because of the Group Buy concept. The sets are split the way they are in order to balance and actually split the costs to everybody. Let's say that 24 people end up buying a a TKL stripe and 30 people end up buying a 60% stripe. What happened is that 24 people didn't get their stuff because the 60%ers saved $10 or so each.
I believe that a compact GB is the way to go.
think of it this way, it'll be easier to sell your keycaps (if you want to one day) since you can sell to both 60% board users AND tkl board users ;D
or when you got yourself a tkl board, you'll be squeezing your balls for not getting the tkl base set :)) :)) :))
That's another thing to consider. What if a Poker II user upgrades to a TKL in the future? He wouldn't be able to use the keyset.
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Ok, I see what you mean now.
Another suggestion: please add the ability to purchase blank keys like what we can currently do with the Nuclear group buy that's currently active on PMK. Here's a link: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Might be a little more complicated than what's going on with that set because I think that set uses the same profile for all rows. I think offering Row 3 blanks would be great.
That's really confusing actually, I don't know how can I make this work with PuLSE.
What do you mean? Just allow us to purchase (at the very least) Row 3 blanks in the colors available in the set (the dark grey, blue and orange colors). It'll be even better if we can buy blank mods (especially 1.5), but 1x caps would be great.
If you look at the Nuclear keyset, it features way too many blanks. You can actually buy a blank green SA keyset if you want. I can't see the point behind this, but I understand what you're talking about.
I think I'll offer blank R3 blue and grey 1u keycaps since you requested.
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Ok, I see what you mean now.
Another suggestion: please add the ability to purchase blank keys like what we can currently do with the Nuclear group buy that's currently active on PMK. Here's a link: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Might be a little more complicated than what's going on with that set because I think that set uses the same profile for all rows. I think offering Row 3 blanks would be great.
That's really confusing actually, I don't know how can I make this work with PuLSE.
What do you mean? Just allow us to purchase (at the very least) Row 3 blanks in the colors available in the set (the dark grey, blue and orange colors). It'll be even better if we can buy blank mods (especially 1.5), but 1x caps would be great.
I second this. A few 1u blanks (either color) in the ErgoPack would be very welcome. I suggested it a few pages back but it was lost in the chaos.
Edit: Actually, he's got them in there now. Gotta scroll down to see it, but it's in a new kit called Halfadox -- 10 1u blanks in blue, row 3. 10 of them is probably overkill for a half-ErgoDox kit. :p
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fZX27wi.png)
Do you believe that 4 x 1u blanks is enough? I based the HalfaDox in this picture.
(http://i.imgur.com/Hj4TqAk.jpg)
I believe that 4 x 1u are enough, to replace the both blanks nearby the "Home" key and two to replace the 1u Control and Alt, assuming that the buyer gets the Novelties or the Base Set too.
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The decimal point in the numpad kit seems really weird when it is the only legend that isn't center set (or maybe that's just me).
(http://i.imgur.com/cp5s5Ff.png)
Fixed.
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The decimal point in the numpad kit seems really weird when it is the only legend that isn't center set (or maybe that's just me).
Yeah, looks like it just got nudged over in editing or something. Probably a mistake.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/RwceFd0.png)
I dig that orange Pulse key. I'd almost request a matching Enter key but I'm not sure it would really add anything.
This key is supposed to be a replacement to the regular ESC key. It's just to break the cyan tone, glad you like it.
What do you think about this?
(http://i.imgur.com/NeaJiLJ.png)
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I think it's fantastic, but I'm easy to please... if you haven't figured that out by now.
The red really stands out, and might be a good compliment to the blue.
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Ok, I see what you mean now.
Another suggestion: please add the ability to purchase blank keys like what we can currently do with the Nuclear group buy that's currently active on PMK. Here's a link: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Might be a little more complicated than what's going on with that set because I think that set uses the same profile for all rows. I think offering Row 3 blanks would be great.
That's really confusing actually, I don't know how can I make this work with PuLSE.
What do you mean? Just allow us to purchase (at the very least) Row 3 blanks in the colors available in the set (the dark grey, blue and orange colors). It'll be even better if we can buy blank mods (especially 1.5), but 1x caps would be great.
I second this. A few 1u blanks (either color) in the ErgoPack would be very welcome. I suggested it a few pages back but it was lost in the chaos.
Edit: Actually, he's got them in there now. Gotta scroll down to see it, but it's in a new kit called Halfadox -- 10 1u blanks in blue, row 3. 10 of them is probably overkill for a half-ErgoDox kit. :p
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fZX27wi.png)
Do you believe that 4 x 1u blanks is enough? I based the HalfaDox in this picture.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Hj4TqAk.jpg)
I believe that 4 x 1u are enough, to replace the both blanks nearby the "Home" key and two to replace the 1u Control and Alt, assuming that the buyer gets the Novelties or the Base Set too.
4x 1u for a Halfadox should be enough, yes. Could you do 2x in blue and 2x in your black/dark gray color? That would give us 4x 1u in blue and 4x 1u in black for a "Full Dox" and people can mix & match as needed.
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The decimal point in the numpad kit seems really weird when it is the only legend that isn't center set (or maybe that's just me).
Yeah, looks like it just got nudged over in editing or something. Probably a mistake.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/RwceFd0.png)
I dig that orange Pulse key. I'd almost request a matching Enter key but I'm not sure it would really add anything.
This key is supposed to be a replacement to the regular ESC key. It's just to break the cyan tone, glad you like it.
What do you think about this?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NeaJiLJ.png)
I love this so much. Love.
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I think it's fantastic, but I'm easy to please... if you haven't figured that out by now.
The red really stands out, and might be a good compliment to the blue.
I was considering these Escs from day one, I think I'm gonna add'em. Again, glad you like it.
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The decimal point in the numpad kit seems really weird when it is the only legend that isn't center set (or maybe that's just me).
Yeah, looks like it just got nudged over in editing or something. Probably a mistake.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/RwceFd0.png)
I dig that orange Pulse key. I'd almost request a matching Enter key but I'm not sure it would really add anything.
This key is supposed to be a replacement to the regular ESC key. It's just to break the cyan tone, glad you like it.
What do you think about this?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/NeaJiLJ.png)
I love this so much. Love.
Taste the Rainbow.
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Ok, I see what you mean now.
Another suggestion: please add the ability to purchase blank keys like what we can currently do with the Nuclear group buy that's currently active on PMK. Here's a link: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Might be a little more complicated than what's going on with that set because I think that set uses the same profile for all rows. I think offering Row 3 blanks would be great.
That's really confusing actually, I don't know how can I make this work with PuLSE.
What do you mean? Just allow us to purchase (at the very least) Row 3 blanks in the colors available in the set (the dark grey, blue and orange colors). It'll be even better if we can buy blank mods (especially 1.5), but 1x caps would be great.
I second this. A few 1u blanks (either color) in the ErgoPack would be very welcome. I suggested it a few pages back but it was lost in the chaos.
Edit: Actually, he's got them in there now. Gotta scroll down to see it, but it's in a new kit called Halfadox -- 10 1u blanks in blue, row 3. 10 of them is probably overkill for a half-ErgoDox kit. :p
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/fZX27wi.png)
Do you believe that 4 x 1u blanks is enough? I based the HalfaDox in this picture.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Hj4TqAk.jpg)
I believe that 4 x 1u are enough, to replace the both blanks nearby the "Home" key and two to replace the 1u Control and Alt, assuming that the buyer gets the Novelties or the Base Set too.
4x 1u for a Halfadox should be enough, yes. Could you do 2x in blue and 2x in your black/dark gray color? That would give us 4x 1u in blue and 4x 1u in black for a "Full Dox" and people can mix & match as needed.
Sure thing, I'll change that. Sorry for taking this ErgoPack through so many modifications. I'm so dumb when it comes to it.
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Me requesting the ability to purchase blank keys is due to me wanting to blank out the alphas, while still purchasing the base set and mods. The color scheme and profile are excellent IMO, that's why I want the option. Maybe 1.5 row 3 keys too, if it's not too much to ask? Thanks again
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Me requesting the ability to purchase blank keys is due to me wanting to blank out the alphas, while still purchasing the base set and mods. The color scheme and profile are excellent IMO, that's why I want the option. Maybe 1.5 row 3 keys too, if it's not too much to ask? Thanks again
I did this for Galaxy class.
Bought 50 of each 1u blank.
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Me requesting the ability to purchase blank keys is due to me wanting to blank out the alphas, while still purchasing the base set and mods. The color scheme and profile are excellent IMO, that's why I want the option. Maybe 1.5 row 3 keys too, if it's not too much to ask? Thanks again
I did this for Galaxy class.
Bought 50 of each 1u blank.
Yeah, I'm looking to buy 50 of each color (pulse) as well. If we can hit the same price as the blanks in the Nuclear set, it won't be bad at all. Maybe the other colors that match the scheme from the ESC pack, especially the orange, can be added as well (yes, I know it's making it complicated now, but I think it'll be worth it for everyone).
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Sure thing, I'll change that. Sorry for taking this ErgoPack through so many modifications. I'm so dumb when it comes to it.
It's cool man. No pressure.
One of the reasons Nuclear Data did a whole bunch of blank keys is that SP charges a low flat rate for them, and buyers can put their own ErgoDox or custom layout together themselves without needing a special kit that may or may not include the right size & quantity of keys for them. Having the blanks available is a huge boost to the GB, in my opinion. It encourages more people to buy the base kit and mods if they know they can fill in the gaps on their custom boards with (relatively) cheap blanks.
I'm sure samwisekoi would espouse the many virtues of blank cap options if you asked him. :D
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Also, you should change your 1.25x PuLSE logo key from row 4 to row 3, since the bottom row will be row 3 profile. :)
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Good call, JD. I think it would apply to the Tsangan too, yes?
(http://i.imgur.com/5KVYNuy.png)
Now that we're talking 312343 profile?
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Good call, JD. I think it would apply to the Tsangan too, yes?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5KVYNuy.png)
Now that we're talking 312343 profile?
Yes, I forgot to mention that...Tsangan kit, too. :)
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Me requesting the ability to purchase blank keys is due to me wanting to blank out the alphas, while still purchasing the base set and mods. The color scheme and profile are excellent IMO, that's why I want the option. Maybe 1.5 row 3 keys too, if it's not too much to ask? Thanks again
That's ok, don't worry. Can you list to me the caps you need? Cause I think it is:
*Blue 1u - Row 3;
*Blue 1.5u - Row 3;
*Blue 2.0u - Row 3;
Peace.
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Sure thing, I'll change that. Sorry for taking this ErgoPack through so many modifications. I'm so dumb when it comes to it.
It's cool man. No pressure.
One of the reasons Nuclear Data did a whole bunch of blank keys is that SP charges a low flat rate for them, and buyers can put their own ErgoDox or custom layout together themselves without needing a special kit that may or may not include the right size & quantity of keys for them. Having the blanks available is a huge boost to the GB, in my opinion. It encourages more people to buy the base kit and mods if they know they can fill in the gaps on their custom boards with (relatively) cheap blanks.
I'm sure samwisekoi would espouse the many virtues of blank cap options if you asked him. :D
I see what you guys are talking about now. Just provide me a list with the blanks you guys need and I'll add them.
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NEW PRICES, CHECK OP!
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Lord, finally a good looking avatar. It took me forever to figure out the resolution.
MX Reds all the way.
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Good call, JD. I think it would apply to the Tsangan too, yes?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5KVYNuy.png)
Now that we're talking 312343 profile?
Yes, I forgot to mention that...Tsangan kit, too. :)
Shouldn't the shift key in the Tsangan be row 4?
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Good call, JD. I think it would apply to the Tsangan too, yes?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5KVYNuy.png)
Now that we're talking 312343 profile?
Yes, I forgot to mention that...Tsangan kit, too. :)
Shouldn't the shift key in the Tsangan be row 4?
SP can't produce Shift keys on R-4 atm. We expect to launch a MiniGB in the future featuring the Shift Keys - if needed.
EDIT: I just remebered that the Tsangan Shift key is 1.75u sized, so maybe SP can do it on R4. Gotta confirm.
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Good call, JD. I think it would apply to the Tsangan too, yes?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/5KVYNuy.png)
Now that we're talking 312343 profile?
Oh yeah, forgot about that. R3 is is :thumb:
Yes, I forgot to mention that...Tsangan kit, too. :)
Shouldn't the shift key in the Tsangan be row 4?
SP can't produce Shift keys on R-4 atm. We expect to launch a MiniGB in the future featuring the Shift Keys - if needed.
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This is a question for MiTo here;
Are you able to supply (design) all one coloured F1 to F12 set?
Would like the option to BUY both Black and Blue as well as Blue and Black F1's to F12's, to place upon my keyboards. Please let us know here 8) .
There hasn't been an all same coloured F1 to F12 set released yet in the SA Profile, I thought maybe your design could be the absolute FIRST one to grace Geekhack.
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Can we have 2 orange pulse keys in the novelties kit instead of just one? Then we can achieve a balanced look if we use them for windows keys in a winkeyless layout!
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And maybe add an extra R4 1u fn key to the tsangan kit for people to use with the 1.75u shift
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This is a question for MiTo here;
Are you able to supply (design) all one coloured F1 to F12 set?
Would like the option to BUY both Black and Blue as well as Blue and Black F1's to F12's, to place upon my keyboards. Please let us know here 8) .
There hasn't been an all same coloured F1 to F12 set released yet in the SA Profile, I thought maybe your design could be the absolute FIRST one to grace Geekhack.
This?
(http://i.imgur.com/QHu1B02.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/6iPUt0n.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/JJ19N3b.png)
It's interesting, but I need quite a few people supporting the idea, in order to add this as an extra.
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Can we have 2 orange pulse keys in the novelties kit instead of just one? Then we can achieve a balanced look if we use them for windows keys in a winkeyless layout!
I understand your request, but this is probably what the Novelties gonna be like in the GB.
The Orange, Lime and Red PuLSES are supposed to swap the Esc key. If I add a pair of colored PuLSES, for each color, this Novelty pack will be huge and too expensive.
(http://i.imgur.com/W1qJFe4.png)
And maybe add an extra R4 1u fn key to the tsangan kit for people to use with the 1.75u shift
Could you provide me a picture of this situation? And sure, I can include that.
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FIXED KITS AND UPDATED PRICES.
WE'RE ALMOST GOOD TO GO!
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Can you find out the pricing for the blank keys and add the option of the other colored keys in the esc pack? At the very least, the orange color. Did you get a price quote from SP? I remember reading from another post here that they have a flat rate for blank keys but I'm not sure.
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Can you find out the pricing for the blank keys and add the option of the other colored keys in the esc pack? At the very least, the orange color. Did you get a price quote from SP? I remember reading from another post here that they have a flat rate for blank keys but I'm not sure.
Check OP.
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This is a question for MiTo here;
Are you able to supply (design) all one coloured F1 to F12 set?
Would like the option to BUY both Black and Blue as well as Blue and Black F1's to F12's, to place upon my keyboards. Please let us know here 8) .
There hasn't been an all same coloured F1 to F12 set released yet in the SA Profile, I thought maybe your design could be the absolute FIRST one to grace Geekhack.
This?
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It's interesting, but I need quite a few people supporting the idea, in order to add this as an extra.
YES absolutely.
It looks far more cleaner than adhering to the OLD style of breaking up the "F" Numbers. Prefer that they remain clean BUT the customer may also choose to later on, add the colours to break up the uniformity.
REMEMBER you are giving choices to the end users on how they want to configure their key-set within their own keyboards.
This layout has already been done numerous times within DCS and DSA profiles BUT never within the SA Profile set, I just thought you would be daring enough to allow it to happen with your design as well. Don't think because this is SA profile that it suddenly becomes OLD-school and there are rules and regimented ideas to pursue with the execution of this design. You have to go all out like everyone else has done with the other SP profiles.
Dare I say it, your design should be modern and not adhere to OLD styles because we have already bought other key-set designs that exhibit that already. This design should be for those that love the SA Profile and want more customization to be available for different layouts within their keyboards.
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This is a question for MiTo here;
Are you able to supply (design) all one coloured F1 to F12 set?
Would like the option to BUY both Black and Blue as well as Blue and Black F1's to F12's, to place upon my keyboards. Please let us know here 8) .
There hasn't been an all same coloured F1 to F12 set released yet in the SA Profile, I thought maybe your design could be the absolute FIRST one to grace Geekhack.
This?
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/QHu1B02.png)
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(http://i.imgur.com/6iPUt0n.png)
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(http://i.imgur.com/JJ19N3b.png)
It's interesting, but I need quite a few people supporting the idea, in order to add this as an extra.
YES absolutely.
It looks far more cleaner than adhering to the OLD style of breaking up the "F" Numbers. Prefer that they remain clean BUT the customer may also choose to later on, add the colours to break up the uniformity.
REMEMBER you are giving choices to the end users on how they want to configure their key-set within their own keyboards.
This layout has already been done numerous times within DCS and DSA profiles BUT never within the SA Profile set, I just thought you would be daring enough to allow it to happen with your design as well. Don't think because this is SA profile that it suddenly becomes OLD-school and there are rules and regimented ideas to pursue with the execution of this design. You have to go all out like everyone else has done with the other SP profiles.
Dare I say it, your design should be modern and not adhere to OLD styles because we have already bought other key-set designs that exhibit that already. This design should be for those that love the SA Profile and want more customization to be available for different layouts within their keyboards.
I agree with you so much.
But I can almost hear the negative inputs if we just kill the splitted row and implement the cyan as a standard on the Base Set.
It looks incredibly better in my opinion, and I'm afraid the stripes won't tip if sold as an add-on...
What if we submit only the cyan stripe in order to make the F-Stripe mega cheap and cool?
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I agree with you so much.
But I can almost hear the negative inputs if we just kill the splitted row and implement the cyan as a standard on the Base Set.
It looks incredibly better in my opinion, and I'm afraid the stripes won't tip if sold as an add-on...
What if we submit only the cyan stripe in order to make the F-Stripe mega cheap and cool?
Yeah, make just one Cyan Stripe available for the F region 8) . Either that or supply the normal F-Stripe with a spare Cyan Stripe as back up?
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Me requesting the ability to purchase blank keys is due to me wanting to blank out the alphas, while still purchasing the base set and mods. The color scheme and profile are excellent IMO, that's why I want the option. Maybe 1.5 row 3 keys too, if it's not too much to ask? Thanks again
That's ok, don't worry. Can you list to me the caps you need? Cause I think it is:
*Blue 1u - Row 3;
*Blue 1.5u - Row 3;
*Blue 2.0u - Row 3;
Peace.
In Elrick's spirit, might as well include the lot at this point. I wouldn't mind if it was all R3, let's see what others want:
Grey 1x
Grey 1.25x
Grey 1.5x
Grey 1.75x
Grey 2x
Grey 2.25x
Grey 2.75x
Blue 1x
Blue 1.25x
Blue 1.5x
Blue 1.75x
Blue 2x
Blue 2.25x
Blue 2.75x
I'm planning on blanking out a 60% and a 100% in addition to purchasing the base set. Not sure if I'm the only one. This set is almost up there with Hyperfuse in terms design, profile and color, IMO. If it doesn't tip, it doesn't tip; might as well try.
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So lets just throw in reverse mods and whatever else it would take to have a complete set with the dark base and light colored legends while we are at it?
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Me requesting the ability to purchase blank keys is due to me wanting to blank out the alphas, while still purchasing the base set and mods. The color scheme and profile are excellent IMO, that's why I want the option. Maybe 1.5 row 3 keys too, if it's not too much to ask? Thanks again
That's ok, don't worry. Can you list to me the caps you need? Cause I think it is:
*Blue 1u - Row 3;
*Blue 1.5u - Row 3;
*Blue 2.0u - Row 3;
Peace.
In Elrick's spirit, might as well include the lot at this point. I wouldn't mind if it was all R3, let's see what others want:
Grey 1x
Grey 1.25x
Grey 1.5x
Grey 1.75x
Grey 2x
Grey 2.25x
Grey 2.75x
Blue 1x
Blue 1.25x
Blue 1.5x
Blue 1.75x
Blue 2x
Blue 2.25x
Blue 2.75x
I'm planning on blanking out a 60% and a 100% in addition to purchasing the base set. Not sure if I'm the only one. This set is almost up there with Hyperfuse in terms design, profile and color, IMO. If it doesn't tip, it doesn't tip; might as well try.
I don't think it's smart to implement all of these blanks, my purpose is not to promote a cyan/grey blank SA keyset.
Most important blanks are already added.
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So lets just throw in reverse mods and whatever else it would take to have a complete set with the dark base and light colored legends while we are at it?
What do you think about the suggestion in OP?
EDIT: I'm just growing ideas in the garden of my mind.
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So lets just throw in reverse mods and whatever else it would take to have a complete set with the dark base and light colored legends while we are at it?
What do you think about the suggestion in OP?
I'm only interested in a dark keyset with light legeds, none of this different colors mods and alphas etc. Maybe some day!
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Prefer the step kit as part of base, but don't mind either.
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I don't know about anyone else here but I'm ready to order this baby as is.
It's about as perfect as it could be, 2-colour (predominantly darker) set ready for any keyboard to use. MiTo this has to get fronted soon to Melissa for manufacture :thumb: .
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I don't think it's smart to implement all of these blanks, my purpose is not to promote a cyan/grey blank SA keyset.
Most important blanks are already added.
I understand that, but this would allow for the extreme customization of Pulse, while still being Pulse.
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I don't know about anyone else here but I'm ready to order this baby soon.
It's about as perfect as it could be, 2-colour set ready for any keyboard to use. MiTo this has to get fronted soon to Melissa for manufacture :thumb: .
The low profile of the Row-3 F-Row in all-cyan in contrast with the tall Row-1 Numrow on grey is gonna look nice.
EDIT: May offer the original version, with a cyan F-Row stripe if people don't like the idea. Standing by for feedback.
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I think it's best to just wait for Matt3o to run the SA Retro GB. I've bought into Nuclear Green on the off chance of getting a sculpted kit later, but I think the only surefire way of getting a 3-1-2-3-4-3 SA set is from SA Retro. We still have to wait for SP to make the R4 shift key molds.
YES SA Retro would be absolutely nice because the DSA version I've got is still being used on a few keyboards (thanks Matt). Because there are a few SA profiles being run I'm all in to get those as well, as long as I can get ready made SA goodness is all the matters.
When everything gets sorted within a future time frame don't be naive to think that everyone will run those SA profiles with the exact same designs/colours. If an SA is being offered now, jump on it 8) .
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Someone give a 3-1-2-3-4-3 to jd PLEASE!
If no one wants to, I may do it myself, or with the help of another interested party.
you can run it through the ctrlalt system if you want good sir, just take care of the thread, we can do the rest
I've got another design. I already mentioned it. If you guys... (Airborne Keyset).
Mito, did you lock your IC thread?
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Peeps?!
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I don't know about anyone else here but I'm ready to order this baby soon.
It's about as perfect as it could be, 2-colour set ready for any keyboard to use. MiTo this has to get fronted soon to Melissa for manufacture :thumb: .
The low profile of the Row-3 F-Row in all-cyan in contrast with the tall Row-1 Numrow on grey is gonna look nice.
EDIT: May offer the original version, with a cyan F-Row stripe if people don't like the idea. Standing by for feedback.
I think this is a good idea. With the purchase of the optional F-row stripe, you can get two very different looks for only $5 extra (assuming we make it to the 25 tier). If the price difference between the 8 F keys and the full 12 F keys is not too much, I would say include all 12 instead of just 8 for the stripe kit.
Personally I prefer the full cyan F-row.
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Ew. No thanks.
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Ew. No thanks.
It's fine really I don't need to spend anymore money on keysets right now. :thumb:
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I think you should leave the base set exactly as is. That is the "traditional" way of coloring the F-row, with the contrasting color only on Esc, F5-F8, and PrtSc/ScrLk/Pause.
If some people want a full cyan F-row, you can offer the F1-F4 and F9-F12 pack in cyan. Simple. :)
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any possibility of the novelty R3 keys being sold separately?
for people that would like the novelty keys without having to buy the pack again?
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I think you should leave the base set exactly as is. That is the "traditional" way of coloring the F-row, with the contrasting color only on Esc, F5-F8, and PrtSc/ScrLk/Pause.
If some people want a full cyan F-row, you can offer the F1-F4 and F9-F12 pack in cyan. Simple. :)
Completely agreeing with this right here.
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(http://i.imgur.com/UnBr9x7.png)
Sweet. :thumb:
Edit: Mito -- keep the Halfadox but still offer the blanks and you will have all your bases covered.
(http://i.imgur.com/UdapWfo.png)
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I think you should leave the base set exactly as is. That is the "traditional" way of coloring the F-row, with the contrasting color only on Esc, F5-F8, and PrtSc/ScrLk/Pause.
If some people want a full cyan F-row, you can offer the F1-F4 and F9-F12 pack in cyan. Simple. :)
This could also work.
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I think you should leave the base set exactly as is. That is the "traditional" way of coloring the F-row, with the contrasting color only on Esc, F5-F8, and PrtSc/ScrLk/Pause.
If some people want a full cyan F-row, you can offer the F1-F4 and F9-F12 pack in cyan. Simple. :)
But don't you think we could set a new parameter with PuLSE, by offering something new as "Base"? And if people are looking for a classic look, they could just buy the classic F-Row kit for $7 or something.
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any possibility of the novelty R3 keys being sold separately?
for people that would like the novelty keys without having to buy the pack again?
Are you talking about the Red, Green and Orange ones? I don't want to split them because they would be really cheap, and people would be able to buy a ton of them and actually replace the Novelty pack entirely. These three keys are just alternate Esc keys.
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I think you should leave the base set exactly as is. That is the "traditional" way of coloring the F-row, with the contrasting color only on Esc, F5-F8, and PrtSc/ScrLk/Pause.
If some people want a full cyan F-row, you can offer the F1-F4 and F9-F12 pack in cyan. Simple. :)
But don't you think we could set a new parameter with PuLSE, by offering something new as "Base"? And if people are looking for a classic look, they could just buy the classic F-Row kit for $7 or something.
You could do that, if you choose. Obviously it's your group buy to manage. But I personally think it looks ugly. I think most people expect it to have the alternating color look, especially since you're doing contrasting color mods as standard.
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I think you should leave the base set exactly as is. That is the "traditional" way of coloring the F-row, with the contrasting color only on Esc, F5-F8, and PrtSc/ScrLk/Pause.
If some people want a full cyan F-row, you can offer the F1-F4 and F9-F12 pack in cyan. Simple. :)
But don't you think we could set a new parameter with PuLSE, by offering something new as "Base"? And if people are looking for a classic look, they could just buy the classic F-Row kit for $7 or something.
You could do that, if you choose. Obviously it's your group buy to manage. But I personally think it looks ugly. I think most people expect it to have the alternating color look, especially since you're doing contrasting color mods as standard.
That's what I thought, people are already expecting for an alternate colored layout. It won't be nice to suddenly change it. I believe that the balance in this situation is to offer the F1-F4/F9-F12 in cyan for the whoever wants it. $7 is a very good price.
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Also, there are few keys that need work on their rows.
Below, what I think we should change:
- Up Arrow key currently on Row 3 -> Change to Row 2;
- Left, Down and Right Arrow keys currently on Row 3 -> Change to Row 4;
- "Insert row" keys (Base and a Novelty) currently on Row 1 -> Change to Row 2;
- "Delete row" keys (Base and Novelty) currently on Row 2 -> Change to Row 4.
If we look at the Space Cadet Keyset, these keys are all Row 3 and it looks terrible imo. It has concave alphas and an all flat modifier row. I think it's wise to apply the curved feel to the modifiers as well in order to achieve a regular look. I guess everybody will agree with that.
If you look at this picture of the Space Cadet, you'll notice the details I want to fix.
(http://imgur.com/0v007Xn)
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Also, there are few keys that need work on their rows.
Below, what I think we should change:
- Up Arrow key currently on Row 3 -> Change to Row 2;
- Left, Down and Right Arrow keys currently on Row 3 -> Change to Row 4;
- "Insert row" keys (Base and a Novelty) currently on Row 1 -> Change to Row 2;
- "Delete row" keys (Base and Novelty) currently on Row 2 -> Change to Row 4.
If we look at the Space Cadet Keyset, these keys are all Row 3 and it looks terrible imo. It has concave alphas and an all flat modifier row. I think it's wise to apply the curved feel to the modifiers as well in order to achieve a regular look. I guess everybody will agree with that.
If you look at this picture of the Space Cadet, you'll notice the details I want to fix.
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(http://imgur.com/0v007Xn)
I would leave all the "nav" keys in the base set as row 3 profile. Add a "Contoured Nav Pack" option, with those row 2/4 keys as you suggested.
The row 3 modifier row (bottom row) is to better match the profile of the spacebar.
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Also, there are few keys that need work on their rows.
Below, what I think we should change:
- Up Arrow key currently on Row 3 -> Change to Row 2;
- Left, Down and Right Arrow keys currently on Row 3 -> Change to Row 4;
- "Insert row" keys (Base and a Novelty) currently on Row 1 -> Change to Row 2;
- "Delete row" keys (Base and Novelty) currently on Row 2 -> Change to Row 4.
If we look at the Space Cadet Keyset, these keys are all Row 3 and it looks terrible imo. It has concave alphas and an all flat modifier row. I think it's wise to apply the curved feel to the modifiers as well in order to achieve a regular look. I guess everybody will agree with that.
If you look at this picture of the Space Cadet, you'll notice the details I want to fix.
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(http://imgur.com/0v007Xn)
I think I'd prefer if the Ins and Del row keys matched the profile of their corresponding row, as you've got it now. The change as you've proposed it here sounds a bit extreme.
The arrow keys are less of an issue for me, but having them all R3 seems like a better choice.
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I don't think you guys could see the image I was talking about.
Flat nav keys look weird, IMO, don't you think?
Cause we will end up with curved alphas popping out of the board and all flat navs...
(http://i.imgur.com/0v007Xn.jpg)
Edit: I wanted to keep the curved concept to every cluster on the board, instead of applying it to the entire row. That's why I mentioned the idea.
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Agreed that they look weird
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Agreed that they look weird
It's super weird, I'll provide a mockup when I get home. You guys will understand.
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I don't think you guys could see the image I was talking about.
Flat nav keys look weird, IMO, don't you think?
Cause we will end up with curved alphas popping out of the board and all flat navs...
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(http://i.imgur.com/0v007Xn.jpg)
Yeah, I saw that image. I still think I prefer the way it is now to your proposed change. I wouldn't mind the R2/R4 arrows, but I don't know if everyone would like them that way.
I think the 6-key area in that image is using DCS keycaps, not SA.
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MiTo just go with your gut do what you want it's your set if it sells it sells if not then move on.
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I don't think you guys could see the image I was talking about.
Flat nav keys look weird, IMO, don't you think?
Cause we will end up with curved alphas popping out of the board and all flat navs...
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(http://i.imgur.com/0v007Xn.jpg)
Edit: I wanted to keep the curved concept to every cluster on the board, instead of applying it to the entire row. That's why I mentioned the idea.
I don't understand. What are you calling "navs" here?
The board in your photo has all flat mods. We don't have that. The only row that was a problem was the Shift row, but we agreed(?) that it was a reasonable compromise.
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I don't understand. What are you calling "navs" here?
The board in your photo has all flat mods. We don't have that. The only row that was a problem was the Shift row, but we agreed(?) that it was a reasonable compromise.
Navs is the "Home" key cluster. The block that features 6 keys.
Yes, we don't have flat mods, but their rows are not in harmony. We have a tall Row 1 insert and a lower Row 2 Delete. That's weird. This cluster should have the concave concept we'll have on the alphas, and the only way I see we achieving that, is by making the Insert row on Row 2 and Delete row on Row 4.
Like the wooden part of a skateboard.
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I don't understand. What are you calling "navs" here?
The board in your photo has all flat mods. We don't have that. The only row that was a problem was the Shift row, but we agreed(?) that it was a reasonable compromise.
Navs is the "Home" key cluster. The block that features 6 keys.
Yes, we don't have flat mods, but their rows are not in harmony. We have a tall Row 1 insert and a lower Row 2 Delete. That's weird. This cluster should have the concave concept we'll have on the alphas, and the only way I see we achieving that, is by making the Insert row on Row 2 and Delete row on Row 4.
Like the wooden part of a skateboard.
Row2 Del matches the Row2 backslash key that it's right next to. And also matches the NumPad 7 row if you happen to have a NumPad. It's going to look even stranger if you try to get a contrasting bowl shape out of just those 6 keys. I guess I don't see the problem that you're trying to solve here.
(http://i.imgur.com/dVmGfdX.gif)
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I don't understand. What are you calling "navs" here?
The board in your photo has all flat mods. We don't have that. The only row that was a problem was the Shift row, but we agreed(?) that it was a reasonable compromise.
Navs is the "Home" key cluster. The block that features 6 keys.
Yes, we don't have flat mods, but their rows are not in harmony. We have a tall Row 1 insert and a lower Row 2 Delete. That's weird. This cluster should have the concave concept we'll have on the alphas, and the only way I see we achieving that, is by making the Insert row on Row 2 and Delete row on Row 4.
Like the wooden part of a skateboard.
Row2 Del matches the Row2 backslash key that it's right next to. And also matches the NumPad 7 row if you happen to have a NumPad. It's going to look even stranger if you try to get a contrasting bowl shape out of just those 6 keys. I guess I don't see the problem that you're trying to solve here.
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(http://i.imgur.com/dVmGfdX.gif)
I understand what you said, as we have 2 ways to go with the alignment.
1) By Row;
2) By Cluster;
What I'm envisioning is something more "clean" an "harmonized" with the Row 2 Ins / Row 4 Del. Look on that picture how good the arrow keys look in Row 2 for Up and Row 4 for the others. Now apply the same to the Insert cluster. Don't you think it would be better? Also, the Numpad is bigger, as it goes from Row 1 all the way to Row 4. So the Numpad, by itself, as a cluster, naturally features the skateboard shape concept.
I know it may sound confusing and strange my explanation, but as Spam mentioned, I think I'll go with my gut.
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This will do the job.
(http://i.imgur.com/WcYduSM.png)
EDIT: However, after staring at my keyboard and at some pictures for half an hour, I figured out that the Insert/Del Row is not a problem. They can follow the Backspace and Backslash profile, in order to transmit the angled look to the Numpad (for 100%ers). If you're a TKL dude, you'd still get a nice look from the way things are right now. What's annoying me is the Arrow Cluster. Which is fixed below.
(http://i.imgur.com/37mt6vf.png)
Anyway, we're going to stick with Row 3 on the Up Arrow. And in the future, launch a Row 4 Up key with the Row 4 Shifts. Just wanted to make sure you guys could understand my considerations.
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FYI, I don't even care about the colorway or the specialty legends. I really don't even care about the Cherry replica legends. All I care about is sculpted SA profile. If this set is done in a "no compromises" way, I'll buy in, possibly heavily. But a compromised row profile, and I'm out completely.
I think it's best to just wait for Matt3o to run the SA Retro GB. I've bought into Nuclear Green on the off chance of getting a sculpted kit later, but I think the only surefire way of getting a 3-1-2-3-4-3 SA set is from SA Retro. We still have to wait for SP to make the R4 shift key molds. Anyway, the only caps I'm getting before SA Retro will be Bunny's GMK Hyperfuse. At least that's my current intention....
We are a couple of months away from the Shift Row 4 tooling, Melissa confirmed me. She doesn't even have an estimated date, I mailed her today. If you want to wait, that's perfectly fine! I'm pretty sure Matt3o will come up with great stuff as always.
However, if you like PuLSE and the Shift keys are bothering you, don't worry!
We'll run a MiniGB in the future featuring the Shift keys and Up Arrow key on Row 4.
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Updated OP. I believe we're ready to go.
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This will do the job.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/WcYduSM.png)
EDIT: However, after staring at my keyboard and at some pictures for half an hour, I figured out that the Insert/Del Row is not a problem. They can follow the Backspace and Backslash profile, in order to transmit the angled look to the Numpad (for 100%ers). If you're a TKL dude, you'd still get a nice look from the way things are right now. What's annoying me is the Arrow Cluster. Which is fixed below.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/37mt6vf.png)
Anyway, we're going to stick with Row 3 on the Up Arrow. And in the future, launch a Row 4 Up key with the Row 4 Shifts. Just wanted to make sure you guys could understand my considerations.
Yep I think left, down and right arrows should definitely be the same profile profile as the bottom row modifiers otherwise it would look weird in a 75% or 1800 layout.
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This will do the job.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/WcYduSM.png)
EDIT: However, after staring at my keyboard and at some pictures for half an hour, I figured out that the Insert/Del Row is not a problem. They can follow the Backspace and Backslash profile, in order to transmit the angled look to the Numpad (for 100%ers). If you're a TKL dude, you'd still get a nice look from the way things are right now. What's annoying me is the Arrow Cluster. Which is fixed below.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/37mt6vf.png)
Anyway, we're going to stick with Row 3 on the Up Arrow. And in the future, launch a Row 4 Up key with the Row 4 Shifts. Just wanted to make sure you guys could understand my considerations.
Yep I think left, down and right arrows should definitely be the same profile profile as the bottom row modifiers otherwise it would look weird in a 75% or 1800 layout.
Yes, I took this in consideration.
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Updated OP. I believe we're ready to go.
(http://i.imgur.com/EHQ5LvU.gif)
PS, I looked at some of my keyboards and many of them have an up arrow key that matches the row profile. ;)
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I don't think it's smart to implement all of these blanks, my purpose is not to promote a cyan/grey blank SA keyset.
Most important blanks are already added.
I understand that, but this would allow for the extreme customization of Pulse, while still being Pulse.
So a firm no for this? If you look at the nuclear set, nearly all of their blanks tipped. http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Options are always nice, and it'll allow everyone to customize PuLSE as they want to. Almost every set will end up being unique if people choose to take advantage of the blanks available to them. I strongly believe that it'll be worth it, in the end, but it's your decision to make at the end of the day.
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I don't think it's smart to implement all of these blanks, my purpose is not to promote a cyan/grey blank SA keyset.
Most important blanks are already added.
I understand that, but this would allow for the extreme customization of Pulse, while still being Pulse.
So a firm no for this? If you look at the nuclear set, nearly all of their blanks tipped. http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Options are always nice, and it'll allow everyone to customize PuLSE as they want to. Almost every set will end up being unique if people choose to take advantage of the blanks available to them. I strongly believe that it'll be worth it, in the end, but it's your decision to make at the end of the day.
Not sure if it is a fair comparison because the beauty with the nuclear set is that all caps are Row 3, so all blacks are also the same Row whereas with this buy you would have to have different Rows etc...
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I don't think it's smart to implement all of these blanks, my purpose is not to promote a cyan/grey blank SA keyset.
Most important blanks are already added.
I understand that, but this would allow for the extreme customization of Pulse, while still being Pulse.
So a firm no for this? If you look at the nuclear set, nearly all of their blanks tipped. http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/nuclear-data-green-old-skool-sa-row-3-keycaps/
Options are always nice, and it'll allow everyone to customize PuLSE as they want to. Almost every set will end up being unique if people choose to take advantage of the blanks available to them. I strongly believe that it'll be worth it, in the end, but it's your decision to make at the end of the day.
Not sure if it is a fair comparison because the beauty with the nuclear set is that all caps are Row 3, so all blacks are also the same Row whereas with this buy you would have to have different Rows etc...
Sorry for not answering before BinaryBro, I totally missed your request because I'm finishing some final details regarding the Keyset, and promoting it properly demanded a lot of attention.
Regarding the request, Spam, I agree with you. Te problem with the mega-custom PuLSE is that I don't believe that I can offer every blank, on every row, on every color. And I'm already offering some blanks, in order to please those who want some customization. But I can't go full YOLO and promote every key in every color on every row. Also, I'd like to keep the Keyset more simple to the customers. I don't really believe that a lot of people will need a massive amount of blanks, in different rows. 95% of the people who's probably gonna buy PuLSE will do it because they like the overall look and feel of the set. They are not looking at PuLSE as an opportunity to get some neat blanks (I'm not mentioning that you see PuLSE like this, I know you love it's design). That said, I'll just keep it simple this time. Maybe I can do that with Airborne, but I don't know. Airborne is gonna be DSA and we are really far away from it.
Also, excuse me Bunny, but with your permission, and I'm assuming you'll concede, let me take Penumbra as example.
Penumbra is a masterpiece when it comes to SA and it didn't need to promote massive blanks in order to look good for pretty much everybody. I'd like to see PuLSE in the same stage.
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Maybe I can do that with Airborne, but I don't know. Airborne is gonna be DSA and we are really far away from it.
I'm assuming "Airborne" is your next project? I'm really curious to see what that will look like. :)
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Maybe I can do that with Airborne, but I don't know. Airborne is gonna be DSA and we are really far away from it.
I'm assuming "Airborne" is your next project? I'm really curious to see what that will look like. :)
Correct, it's completely designed. I plan to launch it as an Interest Check by the end of the year, when PuLSE is done and some other keysets are shipped. I'll leave a picture below as a teaser.
(http://i.imgur.com/SMJODHi.png)
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Maybe add blue spacebar as option?
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Maybe add blue spacebar as option?
Which size do you need?
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UPDATED OP.
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Is the 60% stripe even necessary, since it contains the same keys and colors as the base set?
EDIT: Nevermind, I see the reason is the row profile is different.
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Is the 60% stripe even necessary, since it contains the same keys and colors as the base set?
EDIT: Nevermind, I see the reason is the row profile is different.
Yet, some people asked for an Esc Key on Row 1 in that Stripe. Thanks for the reminder, I think I'll add that.
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Maybe add blue spacebar as option?
Which size do you need?
I mean regular size (6.25) like in base set, spacebar in the same colour as modifier keys.
Also if include one additional button R1 "Esc" in base set it will be good for 60% keyboards. (I know about R3 60% stripe, but with R1 Esc keyset will be more versatile and some people might save money without losing escape for top row).
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Also if include one additional button R1 "Esc" in base set it will be good for 60% keyboards. (I know about R3 60% stripe, but with R1 Esc keyset will be more versatile and some people might save money without losing escape for top row).
+1, please do this.
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Maybe add blue spacebar as option?
Which size do you need?
I mean regular size (6.25) like in base set, spacebar in the same colour as modifier keys.
Also if include one additional button R1 "Esc" in base set it will be good for 60% keyboards. (I know about R3 60% stripe, but with R1 Esc keyset will be more versatile and some people might save money without losing escape for top row).
I don't want to offer the space bar separately because people would be able to build a full keyboard with the blanks, the Novelties and the spacebar, basically. The only key they would lack is the both shift keys. I can add the blue space bar to the F-Row Stripe, which is a kit that I also need to improve with the F5/F8 grey keys.
Does anybody else want a blue space bar?
If more people demand it, I'll add.
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Also if include one additional button R1 "Esc" in base set it will be good for 60% keyboards. (I know about R3 60% stripe, but with R1 Esc keyset will be more versatile and some people might save money without losing escape for top row).
+1, please do this.
I didn't want to move on the Base Set, in order to keep it's price as it is. However, some people are demanding this Esc key on Row 1. Mainly, 60%ers.
So I ask you, 60%ers. Would you buy the 60% Stripe if I add the Esc Row 1 key to it? You guys would be able to have a stripe that match your Clacks and a Row 1 key to match your Base Set. You can think "I don't have a Clack, why would I buy this Stripe?" and the answer is: because looks good.
Would you guys buy the 60% Stripe for $10 or something like that?
You guys would be supporting your 60% bros who need the stripe, hence, making it easier to tip.
Can I add the Esc Row 1 to the 60% Stripe? I'll do it if you guys support it.
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Maybe add blue spacebar as option?
Which size do you need?
I mean regular size (6.25) like in base set, spacebar in the same colour as modifier keys.
Also if include one additional button R1 "Esc" in base set it will be good for 60% keyboards. (I know about R3 60% stripe, but with R1 Esc keyset will be more versatile and some people might save money without losing escape for top row).
I don't want to offer the space bar separately because people would be able to build a full keyboard with the blanks, the Novelties and the spacebar, basically. The only key they would lack is the both shift keys. I can add the blue space bar to the F-Row Stripe, which is a kit that I also need to improve with the F5/F8 grey keys.
Does anybody else want a blue space bar?
If more people demand it, I'll add.
The reason most people have extra spacebars available in group buys is they tend to shine quicker because they get used more.
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Maybe add blue spacebar as option?
Which size do you need?
I mean regular size (6.25) like in base set, spacebar in the same colour as modifier keys.
Also if include one additional button R1 "Esc" in base set it will be good for 60% keyboards. (I know about R3 60% stripe, but with R1 Esc keyset will be more versatile and some people might save money without losing escape for top row).
I don't want to offer the space bar separately because people would be able to build a full keyboard with the blanks, the Novelties and the spacebar, basically. The only key they would lack is the both shift keys. I can add the blue space bar to the F-Row Stripe, which is a kit that I also need to improve with the F5/F8 grey keys.
Does anybody else want a blue space bar?
If more people demand it, I'll add.
I wouldn't worry too much about that. People wan extra spacebars because they are first to get shiny. Just offer a spacebar pack with both colors in both 6.25x and 7x sizes. Yes, people would have to buy all four to get extras.
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I didn't want to move on the Base Set, in order to keep it's price as it is. However, some people are demanding this Esc key on Row 1. Mainly, 60%ers.
R1 Esc will add possibility to use R3 or R1 as top row for 60% (I don't know why made separate kit for 60% boards, because if add only one key to base set it will be keyset for 60% and larger boards, maybe R3 is really cool as top row for 60, I don't know. But with R1 we have beautiful ergonomic curve.)
If we are talking about support, I will buy extra spacebars and Esc R1 in any kit because I would use R1 on my top row (I don't think I'm alone), if this key will be in base set - cool, save some money, if in 60% stripe - ok, $10-15 bucks for one key is a little expensive but anyway this set is well made. :thumb:
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Maybe add blue spacebar as option?
Which size do you need?
I mean regular size (6.25) like in base set, spacebar in the same colour as modifier keys.
Also if include one additional button R1 "Esc" in base set it will be good for 60% keyboards. (I know about R3 60% stripe, but with R1 Esc keyset will be more versatile and some people might save money without losing escape for top row).
I don't want to offer the space bar separately because people would be able to build a full keyboard with the blanks, the Novelties and the spacebar, basically. The only key they would lack is the both shift keys. I can add the blue space bar to the F-Row Stripe, which is a kit that I also need to improve with the F5/F8 grey keys.
Does anybody else want a blue space bar?
If more people demand it, I'll add.
The reason most people have extra spacebars available in group buys is they tend to shine quicker because they get used more.
Thanks for sharing your experience. That's something I didn't know. You rock, Spam.
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I wouldn't worry too much about that. People wan extra spacebars because they are first to get shiny. Just offer a spacebar pack with both colors in both 6.25x and 7x sizes. Yes, people would have to buy all four to get extras.
Will do, JD. Thought you were dead, you used to report a lot in here.
EDIT: Do you think I should add the grey F5-F8 to the F-Row Stripe? It would be a more solid pack.
*F1-F4/F9-F12 cyan;
*F5-F8 grey;
And offer 4 single packs, 6.5u cyan, 6.5u grey, 7u cyan, 7u grey. In this case, I'd remove the spacebar featured on the Tsangan pack.
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I didn't want to move on the Base Set, in order to keep it's price as it is. However, some people are demanding this Esc key on Row 1. Mainly, 60%ers.
R1 Esc will add possibility to use R3 or R1 as top row for 60% (I don't know why made separate kit for 60% boards, because if add only one key to base set it will be keyset for 60% and larger boards, maybe R3 is really cool as top row for 60, I don't know. But with R1 we have beautiful ergonomic curve.)
If we are talking about support, I will buy extra spacebars and Esc R1 in any kit because I would use R1 on my top row (I don't think I'm alone), if this key will be in base set - cool, save some money, if in 60% stripe - ok, $10-15 bucks for one key is a little expensive but anyway this set is well made. :thumb:
Absolutely, the reason for the R3 60 Stripe is for the people who want a F-Row look on the Numrow. I believe I will add the R1 Esc to the stripe, because that way, the 60% buyers would be able to support one another. Also, they would have two complete options to use, the ergonomic curve and the F-Row look!
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If there is going to be a blue spacebar (which I like the idea of) I would put it in a pack with an F-row stripe so that you have 2 colors for f row and 2 space bars. Also, I would love the option of a stepped caps lock without having to buy it in the tsangan pack. just some ideas :)
I doubt people would build a full keyboard with only row 3 blanks, BTW (unless there's more than just row 3 available)
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If there is going to be a blue spacebar (which I like the idea of) I would put it in a pack with an F-row stripe so that you have 2 colors for f row and 2 space bars. Also, I would love the option of a stepped caps lock without having to buy it in the tsangan pack. just some ideas :)
Hello Spartan!
Nice to see you here. We've got spacebars separetely now, both sizes and colors. Added F5/F8 on Grey to the F-Row stripe and also, removed the spacebar of the Tsangan set so it's cheaper now. Will update OP soon.
Thanks for coming here!
EDIT: Esc Row 1 key is now available on the 60% stripe.
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MiTo you've now got 162 VOTES for your baby and that's amazing :thumb: .
Now if all of these people who voted can actually front up and buy your key-set when it officially runs on PMK, would be fantastic. Don't forget to add some EXTRA space bars like 6.2, 7.0 and 9.0's because we here on Geekhack have lots of extra keyboards that require them.
I also go through heaps of spacers, simply because my large-arse thumb almost fills the entire key when used. It gets shiny real quick, at least have the ability to provide us with buying any extra spacers to replace the shiny, worn out ones.
Cheers.......
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MiTo you've now got 162 VOTES for your baby and that's amazing :thumb: .
Now if all of these people who voted can actually front up and buy your key-set when it officially runs on PMK, would be fantastic. Don't forget to add some EXTRA space bars like 6.2, 7.0 and 9.0's because we here on Geekhack have lots of extra keyboards that require them.
I also go through heaps of spacers, simply because my large-arse thumb almost fills the entire key when used. It gets shiny real quick, at least have the ability to provide us with buying any extra spacers to replace the shiny, worn out ones.
Cheers.......
The support was real, so the keyset is real. Thank you.
I'm expecting an extraordinary final result with PuLSE. I know it's not going to be easy, but I believe it will tip. I don't know how well the past succesful keysets were voted for, but for my first try, I believe 162 is a good number. Let's do it gentlemen.
Elrick, the spacebars are added. People can buy the ones they need! But unfortunately, PMK can only offer 6.25u and 7u atm. But I believe that a lot of boards will be able to acomodate PuLSE nicely. Also, the Row 1 Esc keycap is added to the 60% Stripe and the Tsangan kit is a little bit cheaper.
Symmetry lovers, check the F-Row Stripe. I buffed it.
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UPDATED OP, NEW KIT ADDED!
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any chance of a 40% kit?
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UPDATED OP, NEW KIT ADDED!
That should be it MiTo, I'm starting to develop a sticky stain on my seat waiting for your Group Buy here ::) . You've done good with the options and it's not that expensive to buy into all of the goodies you've shown here.
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Those are some really low MOQ tiers for the add-on kits. Hopefully there will be higher tiers with bigger savings when it goes live! We can definitely hit some decent numbers given the level of interest shown on these IC threads.
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UPDATED OP, NEW KIT ADDED!
That should be it MiTo, I'm starting to develop a sticky stain on my seat waiting for your Group Buy here ::) . You've done good with the options and it's not that expensive to buy into all of the goodies you've shown here.
Your support has been awesome, thanks for giving so much attention to PuLSE.
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The amusing part was that I just wanted the base set. Now I want it, and the novelty set. And the spacebar set. And some blank keys.
Hmph. Also yeah, if we hit 100 or 150MOQ, it would be fantastic to have an even further price drop.
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The amusing part was that I just wanted the base set. Now I want it, and the novelty set. And the spacebar set. And some blank keys.
Hmph. Also yeah, if we hit 100 or 150MOQ, it would be fantastic to have an even further price drop.
Mito, can you look into this and give us update pricing at more tiers?
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The amusing part was that I just wanted the base set. Now I want it, and the novelty set. And the spacebar set. And some blank keys.
Hmph. Also yeah, if we hit 100 or 150MOQ, it would be fantastic to have an even further price drop.
Mito, can you look into this and give us update pricing at more tiers?
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The amusing part was that I just wanted the base set. Now I want it, and the novelty set. And the spacebar set. And some blank keys.
Hmph. Also yeah, if we hit 100 or 150MOQ, it would be fantastic to have an even further price drop.
Mito, can you look into this and give us update pricing at more tiers?
Will do, but I'm late for college!
In a few hours I'll release this info, stand by.
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Classes canceled, today was a good day.
Prices Breakdown on OP!
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Wow the starting prices on the novelties pack :eek:
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OK, my wallet is ready. Bring on the GB.
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Wow the starting prices on the novelties pack :o
Because he selected a lower MOQ to guarantee easy tipping hence the prices are high. He could select 100 sets to be sold but the Group Buy couldn't be guaranteed to succeed.
With PMK they're the ONLY ones in the key-cap world that will make any keys for the lowest MOQ but it comes at a higher cost. If the numbers come in and hundreds of people come in to buy then the prices will drop substantially.
Just makes sure more than 25 people buy into your key-set section of Pulse, otherwise the price will be harsh when payment comes by. That's the reality of Key-set Group Buys here on Geekhack. If you're scared about paying higher costs for keys then don't ever look towards buying any GMK key-sets ;D .
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OK, my wallet is ready. Bring on the GB.
"Coming Soon... Pulse and Green Tea.
Rumor has it that these group buys will come up after Nuclear Data."
- PMK, on Facebook.
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Wow the starting prices on the novelties pack :o
Because he selected a lower MOQ to guarantee easy tipping hence the prices are high. He could select 100 sets to be sold but the Group Buy couldn't be guaranteed to succeed.
With PMK they're the ONLY ones in the key-cap world that will make any keys for the lowest MOQ but it comes at a higher cost. If the numbers come in and hundreds of people come in to buy then the prices will drop substantially.
Just makes sure more than 25 people buy into your key-set section of Pulse, otherwise the price will be harsh when payment comes by. That's the reality of Key-set Group Buys here on Geekhack. If you're scared about paying higher costs for keys then don't ever look towards buying any GMK key-sets ;D .
I believe we're going to have an extraordinary group buy in a few days.
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Bit late and I guess decision already made, but wouldn’t adding the r1 esc to the base set be a better option? I would like to use the set on a 60% but with r1 num row. why should i have to buy the 60% kit for just one key? For me that might be a dealbreaker.
How much would the price of the base set increase?.
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Bit late and I guess decision already made, but wouldn’t adding the r1 esc to the base set be a better option? I would like to use the set on a 60% but with r1 num row. why should i have to buy the 60% kit for just one key? For me that might be a dealbreaker.
How much would the price of the base set increase?.
It's never too late!
I understand your position but there's a situation we gotta consider. If you end up buying third party novelties like Clacks, GasMasks, stuff like that in the future, you will most likely want to go for a Row 3 Numrow. Novelties on Row 1 look broken, as Row 1 keys are much taller then Clacks, Brobots and Masks. Do you believe that $16 for the Stripe (initially, because the price could eventually drop to $12 or something) is too dealbreaking?
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I am on tight budget, so I would like to spend as little as possible!
I am not questioning the usefulness of the 60% kit, rather the choice of the R1 esc being there.
Your response was "reasons you should buy the kit", not "it is there because x" ;D
I know I don't want the rest of the 60% kit, so it feels a bit funny to have to pay 16/14/12$ to get the ONE key that really has no place to be there, unless it really raises the price of the base kit.
And yes, that is a dealbreaker, because honestly I get a vibe that it is there to boost sales of the kit.
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I am on tight budget, so I would like to spend as little as possible!
I am not questioning the usefulness of the 60% kit, rather the choice of the R1 esc being there.
Your response was "reasons you should buy the kit", not "it is there because x" ;D
I know I don't want the rest of the 60% kit, so it feels a bit funny to have to pay 16/14/12$ to get the ONE key that really has no place to be there, unless it really raises the price of the base kit.
And yes, that is a dealbreaker, because honestly I get a vibe that it is there to boost sales of the kit.
Agree with you. For people who want R3 for 60% price is ok, but not for one button. I don't think price will be much higher with ESC included in base kit.
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I am on tight budget, so I would like to spend as little as possible!
I am not questioning the usefulness of the 60% kit, rather the choice of the R1 esc being there.
Your response was "reasons you should buy the kit", not "it is there because x" ;D
I know I don't want the rest of the 60% kit, so it feels a bit funny to have to pay 16/14/12$ to get the ONE key that really has no place to be there, unless it really raises the price of the base kit.
And yes, that is a dealbreaker, because honestly I get a vibe that it is there to boost sales of the kit.
Agree with you. For people who want R3 for 60% price is ok, but not for one button. I don't think price will be much higher with ESC included in base kit.
I agree with you guys, you actually have a point. It's not fair to make every 60% user buy the Stripe if they don't want the Numrow on Row 3.
Also, some of them would be paying $12 for a single esc key, which is an absolute rip off.
I'll move the R1 Esc to the Base Set.
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Thank you for considering this and I am sorry if I was a bit harsh! :-[
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Came here to say I seen this on PMK
I want it
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Came here to say I seen this on PMK
I want it
Hello Tiger!
Stand by mate, we will have a wonderful GB very, very soon.
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Thank you for considering this and I am sorry if I was a bit harsh! :-[
No problem, it was the right thing to do.
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Stand by mate, we will have a wonderful GB very, very soon.
A whole lot of people are waiting for this baby to start hence MiTo, be prepared for the orders buddy :thumb: .
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Stand by mate, we will have a wonderful GB very, very soon.
A whole lot of people are waiting for this baby to start hence MiTo, be prepared for the orders buddy :thumb: .
Just a few more days, hang on everybody!
Regarding my update on OP: just mentioned the corect name of the color chip. Not BBJ, but BBQ. BBQ is what we're going with.
(http://i.imgur.com/FbAM4HZ.png)
The keycaps featured on the mockups are already on the real BBQ tone since day one. There is nothing to worry about!
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BBQ is what we're going with. Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/FbAM4HZ.png)
You betya,
Now lets get this BBQ started already, I'll bring the piss - you slaughter half a cow and we should all have a real DTF.
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I think it's more green than I was hoping for.
I've owned Miami in DCS which is BBQ mods.
I'm conflicted. :S
edit: i was kinda hoping for bbj
are the mockups really bbq?
they look bluer to me
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BBQ is what we're going with. Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/FbAM4HZ.png)
You betya,
Now lets get this BBQ started already, I'll bring the piss - you slaughter half a cow and we should all have a real DTF.
Sounds good.Let's invite others to the party.
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I think it's more green than I was hoping for.
I've owned Miami in DCS which is BBQ mods.
I'm conflicted. :S
edit: i was kinda hoping for bbj
are the mockups really bbq?
they look bluer to me
Got your message tdc, but I can't get the ring because I'm not in the US. It would take a month if not more for it to arrive and by that time, the GB will be done. Also, there's the ****ty brazillian customs that would tax me to the max for a piece of plastic, can't afford it.
I understand you, the mockups are made on BBQ. The tone matches it exactly. Problem with BBJ is that it's not a vibrant tone, is just a plain light blue tone. I've got a mockup here with both colors. Check them out:
(http://i.imgur.com/OmfGTFp.png)
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I think it's more green than I was hoping for.
I've owned Miami in DCS which is BBQ mods.
I'm conflicted. :S
edit: i was kinda hoping for bbj
are the mockups really bbq?
they look bluer to me
With you there. BBQ is much more light than I thought this would be. BBJ seems more of what I was thinking when I saw mock-ups.
Either way, both will look good with black, though.
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The difference is so subtle that I don't care which one you go with. I'm sure both will look amazing in person.
It's always hard to judge color swatches from photos/scans. Every monitor renders them differently (depending on calibration). It's also impossible to show in a 2D render how the light will play off them.
Go with whatever you feel best fits the original intent of the colorway.
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I have never tried SA keycaps, this will be my first ;)
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I think it's more green than I was hoping for.
I've owned Miami in DCS which is BBQ mods.
I'm conflicted. :S
edit: i was kinda hoping for bbj
are the mockups really bbq?
they look bluer to me
With you there. BBQ is much more light than I thought this would be. BBJ seems more of what I was thinking when I saw mock-ups.
Either way, both will look good with black, though.
The difference is so subtle that I don't care which one you go with. I'm sure both will look amazing in person.
It's always hard to judge color swatches from photos/scans. Every monitor renders them differently (depending on calibration). It's also impossible to show in a 2D render how the light will play off them.
Go with whatever you feel best fits the original intent of the colorway.
Thanks for the feedback guys, yes indeed - the difference between BBJ and BBQ are subtle but we can notice it. BBQ is way lighter and more "vivid", or shocking. BBQ is the way to go here!
Pulse is gonna look incredibly sharp.
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I have never tried SA keycaps, this will be my first ;)
I'm very glad you will join us.
4 days until our GB start!
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I have to say, I'm getting very excited for this set. Colors are nice, with good contrast, and finally we will have a true contoured profile SA set, with lots of options.
Not that 7bit's Space Cadet and Honeywell sets weren't great, but with the prospect of correctly sized, row 4 Shifts available in the near future, this PuLSE set is really going to knock the ball out of the park. :D
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I have to say, I'm getting very excited for this set. Colors are nice, with good contrast, and finally we will have a true contoured profile SA set, with lots of options.
Not that 7bit's Space Cadet and Honeywell sets weren't great, but with the prospect of correctly sized, row 4 Shifts available in the near future, this PuLSE set is really going to knock the ball out of the park. :D
I'm very excited too JD, we are doing very good so far with colors, options, everything. Let's make it!
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Another thing, I recommend starting MOQ at 50 base sets. It will hit that, no problem, and it shows the lower price tier from the start. 50 is the tipping point for a nice price break, and after that, the tiers show somewhat diminishing returns.
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Another thing, I recommend starting MOQ at 50 base sets. It will hit that, no problem, and it shows the lower price tier from the start. 50 is the tipping point for a nice price break, and after that, the tiers show somewhat diminishing returns.
Strongly agree with you.
I wouldn't like to open PMK looking for a new keyset and then have a $81 price tag right on my face.
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I'll agree with JD on pricing tiers.
@50 units its 64% of the original cost. [saw your reply while typing this]
I'll also concede that BBQ will probably be more "shocking".
In regards to accuracy, I have a 99.8% colour accurate monitor and the actual plastic colour on hand.
I'll be picking up a set either way,
but I'm guessing I won't be happy with it.
Here's my album of Miami.
You can see in the first four pictures the different tones.
http://imgur.com/a/6VAGw
My camera isn't perfect but between the shots you can see a realistic tone.
edit: don't change the color just for me, I don't want pitchforked mobs here.
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I'll agree with JD on pricing tiers.
@50 units its 64% of the original cost. [saw your reply while typing this]
I'll also concede that BBQ will probably be more "shocking".
In regards to accuracy, I have a 99.8% colour accurate monitor and the actual plastic colour on hand.
I'll be picking up a set either way,
but I'm guessing I won't be happy with it.
Here's my album of Miami.
You can see in the first four pictures the different tones.
http://imgur.com/a/6VAGw
My camera isn't perfect but between the shots you can see a realistic tone.
edit: don't change the color just for me, I don't want pitchforked mobs here.
Very nice Filco, and you wouldn't believe how hard I laughed about the pitchforked mobs, haha!
I believe you gonna be surprised with Pulse. Mostly because it's really hard to really visualize and evaluate the BBQ tone on Miami because of the pink.
This pink tone hurts my eyes, so I can't really see how blue BBQ is.
The BBQ popping out of the plain black will really please your eyes, the contrast between BBQ and dark is the cornerstone of Pulse.
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You can check the colours here: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_ABS_colours
I think BBJ would look better, personally, but it's up to the GB organiser which colour matches his vision of the set best.
Also, I agree about adding the Row 1 Esc to the main set. Good decision.
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I think BBJ would look better, personally, but it's up to the GB organiser which colour matches his vision of the set best.
Same.
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You can check the colours here: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_ABS_colours
I think BBJ would look better, personally, but it's up to the GB organiser which colour matches his vision of the set best.
Also, I agree about adding the Row 1 Esc to the main set. Good decision.
I think BBJ would look better, personally, but it's up to the GB organiser which colour matches his vision of the set best.
Same.
I see that you guys really like BBJ, but it's not a color for Pulse. It was never considered, I simply brought this discussion because the information about the exact color tone was wrong! At some point I mentioned BBJ, probably because I was messing up with some colors.
Anyway, I believe that BBQ is gonna make this Keyset a freakin beast, you'll see. It's so vibrant, and the contrast with black will be unique, very elegant.
I will try something with BBJ one day, maybe on another project I've got, Olimitto.
Actually, now I remember why I mentioned that Pulse was BBJ. BBJ is the blue tone featured on Olimitto, which was the base for the creation of Pulse!
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Since a few of you voiced that you like BBJ, I want to say that I prefer BBQ. The slight green tinge makes it appear more vibrant/electric than BBJ, which looks calm in comparison.
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I see that you guys really like BBJ, but it's not a color for Pulse. It was never considered, I simply brought this discussion because the information about the exact color tone was wrong! At some point I mentioned BBJ, probably because I was messing up with some colors.
Anyway, I believe that BBQ is gonna make this Keyset a freakin beast, you'll see. It's so vibrant, and the contrast with black will be unique, very elegant.
I will try something with BBJ one day, maybe on another project I've got, Olimitto.
Actually, now I remember why I mentioned that Pulse was BBJ. BBJ is the blue tone featured on Olimitto, which was the base for the creation of Pulse!
Go with what you like, either way I think it'll be fantastic. I can see the point of a more vibrant blue. I think next to black keys it'll look less teal-y and better than the darker blue which will kind of blend in. Either way, I'm excited to see how I like spherical keycaps and with my favorite color how could I go wrong?
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Since a few of you voiced that you like BBJ, I want to say that I prefer BBQ. The slight green tinge makes it appear more vibrant/electric than BBJ, which looks calm in comparison.
I see that you guys really like BBJ, but it's not a color for Pulse. It was never considered, I simply brought this discussion because the information about the exact color tone was wrong! At some point I mentioned BBJ, probably because I was messing up with some colors.
Anyway, I believe that BBQ is gonna make this Keyset a freakin beast, you'll see. It's so vibrant, and the contrast with black will be unique, very elegant.
I will try something with BBJ one day, maybe on another project I've got, Olimitto.
Actually, now I remember why I mentioned that Pulse was BBJ. BBJ is the blue tone featured on Olimitto, which was the base for the creation of Pulse!
Go with what you like, either way I think it'll be fantastic. I can see the point of a more vibrant blue. I think next to black keys it'll look less teal-y and better than the darker blue which will kind of blend in. Either way, I'm excited to see how I like spherical keycaps and with my favorite color how could I go wrong?
5 more days, hang on!
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Would anyone else be keen/partial to having a 1.5 pulse logo modifier for the Tsangan kit?
This would be applicable to win keyless keyboards and allowing the use of a pulse mod. If this has low popularity, or adds too much to the cost of the tsangan kit, then its also fair to leave it out.
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Since a few of you voiced that you like BBJ, I want to say that I prefer BBQ. The slight green tinge makes it appear more vibrant/electric than BBJ, which looks calm in comparison.
I'll agree with you here.
BBJ does seem more subdued.
I just don't think I like BBQ as a mod color.
I've had it before.
But I'll be buying this set and hoping I love it.
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Would anyone else be keen/partial to having a 1.5 pulse logo modifier for the Tsangan kit?
This would be applicable to win keyless keyboards and allowing the use of a pulse mod. If this has low popularity, or adds too much to the cost of the tsangan kit, then its also fair to leave it out.
Sorry for double post. I like this idea.
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Would anyone else be keen/partial to having a 1.5 pulse logo modifier for the Tsangan kit?
This would be applicable to win keyless keyboards and allowing the use of a pulse mod. If this has low popularity, or adds too much to the cost of the tsangan kit, then its also fair to leave it out.
Sorry for double post. I like this idea.
Trick is getting anyone else to buy up a TKLess kit because it needs to tip before it has any chance of ever getting made :'( .
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Would anyone else be keen/partial to having a 1.5 pulse logo modifier for the Tsangan kit?
This would be applicable to win keyless keyboards and allowing the use of a pulse mod. If this has low popularity, or adds too much to the cost of the tsangan kit, then its also fair to leave it out.
Sorry for double post. I like this idea.
Trick is getting anyone else to buy up a TKLess kit because it needs to tip before it has any chance of ever getting made :'( .
Elrick is right, I don't really know how many people actually will purchase the Tsangan kit. I set he MOQ at 10 in order to make it easy to tip.
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Since a few of you voiced that you like BBJ, I want to say that I prefer BBQ. The slight green tinge makes it appear more vibrant/electric than BBJ, which looks calm in comparison.
I'll agree with you here.
BBJ does seem more subdued.
I just don't think I like BBQ as a mod color.
I've had it before.
But I'll be buying this set and hoping I love it.
Hmm, I wonder how BBQ alphas with BBJ modifiers would look. That would be interesting.
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Since a few of you voiced that you like BBJ, I want to say that I prefer BBQ. The slight green tinge makes it appear more vibrant/electric than BBJ, which looks calm in comparison.
I'll agree with you here.
BBJ does seem more subdued.
I just don't think I like BBQ as a mod color.
I've had it before.
But I'll be buying this set and hoping I love it.
Hmm, I wonder how BBQ alphas with BBJ modifiers would look. That would be interesting.
I can mock it up if you want.
It's not going to be the greatest thing in the world but maybe I can help the right side of your brain.
EDIT: As you wish.
(http://i.imgur.com/4p4juzX.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/T6MwQay.png)
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I honestly don't even know at this point.
I love BBQ on the alphas but I don't know how I feel about BBJ mods.
BBJ looks good but is it electric enough, is BBQ too green?
Run it however you want.
It's always possible to run a modifier set in the alternative colour later right? [kinda like rad hard]
If MiTo doesn't object to future runs.
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I don't remember if this was already discussed in this thread, but what will the finish of the caps be?
Will the have the rough finish like the Commando 23 GB or the glossy finish from other SA sets?
(I prefer the rough texture btw)
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I honestly don't even know at this point.
I love BBQ on the alphas but I don't know how I feel about BBJ mods.
BBJ looks good but is it electric enough, is BBQ too green?
Run it however you want.
It's always possible to run a modifier set in the alternative colour later right? [kinda like rad hard]
If MiTo doesn't object to future runs.
It's a possibility we can think about. I will also create new keysets, I don't plan to stop.
Let's see if Pulse succeeds.
I don't remember if this was already discussed in this thread, but what will the finish of the caps be?
Will the have the rough finish like the Commando 23 GB or the glossy finish from other SA sets?
(I prefer the rough texture btw)
I tried to discuss that two times in the past but nobody answered, so I believe we're going with semi-matte top and sides.
We only have two options, actually.
Semi-matte top and sides or matte top with semi-matte sides.
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I don't believe I've actually tried a set with matte tops.
Idc either way really. All my caps feel so different it's what makes them a joy to type on.
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I'll create a fresh thread on the GB sub.
Follow me clackers!
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I honestly don't even know at this point.
I love BBQ on the alphas but I don't know how I feel about BBJ mods.
BBJ looks good but is it electric enough, is BBQ too green?
Run it however you want.
It's always possible to run a modifier set in the alternative colour later right? [kinda like rad hard]
If MiTo doesn't object to future runs.
It's a possibility we can think about. I will also create new keysets, I don't plan to stop.
Let's see if Pulse succeeds.
Don't worry MiTo, Pulse will succeed easily :thumb: .
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I know it's not an option, but I'd really be interested in having a glossy set of SA keycaps as my daily driver. They'd look super old school and I imagine that wear would be really hard to see on them.
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I know it's not an option, but I'd really be interested in having a glossy set of SA keycaps as my daily driver. They'd look super old school and I imagine that wear would be really hard to see on them.
I believe Penumbra is semi-matte, it looks great. Definitely just glossy enough for my tastes.
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GB Link: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62554.msg1464022#msg1464022
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New thread guys!
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62554.msg1463460#msg1463460