to game.
this mac mini sucks balls. and i miss PC gaming.
i dont plan on over clocking anything and i'd like to keep it SFF when it comes to case but if it's a pain in the ass then a full tower is also fine.
what's good out there with a budget of ~1k?
doesnt include monitor, keyboard (duh) or mouse. just the tower.
tp4 i paid 800 for my rig and it runs games fine
just get last generations good parts for cheap
to game.
this mac mini sucks balls. and i miss PC gaming.
i dont plan on over clocking anything and i'd like to keep it SFF when it comes to case but if it's a pain in the ass then a full tower is also fine.
what's good out there with a budget of ~1k?
doesnt include monitor, keyboard (duh) or mouse. just the tower.
1k is not enough..
Best price/performance g4m3r pc starts @ $1200 ends @ around $1500
4670k or 4790k
z97 mobo ~150 to 200
8gb 2133mhz ram or 2400, which ever one u find on sale
Either get the 780(vanilla) or a 290x... if you get the 290x, you'll need to get that custom mount to use an AIO water cooler... 290 and 290x actually NEEDS water cooling.
keep the case in the $20 range
and use an AIR cooler for the CPU... something like the Coolermaster EVO is plenty enough for even 4.8ghz.\
YES you need to Dellid, this is not even a choice.. it has to be done... for max overclocking.
to game.
this mac mini sucks balls. and i miss PC gaming.
i dont plan on over clocking anything and i'd like to keep it SFF when it comes to case but if it's a pain in the ass then a full tower is also fine.
what's good out there with a budget of ~1k?
doesnt include monitor, keyboard (duh) or mouse. just the tower.
1k is not enough..
Best price/performance g4m3r pc starts @ $1200 ends @ around $1500
4670k or 4790k
z97 mobo ~150 to 200
8gb 2133mhz ram or 2400, which ever one u find on sale
Either get the 780(vanilla) or a 290x... if you get the 290x, you'll need to get that custom mount to use an AIO water cooler... 290 and 290x actually NEEDS water cooling.
keep the case in the $20 range
and use an AIR cooler for the CPU... something like the Coolermaster EVO is plenty enough for even 4.8ghz.\
YES you need to Dellid, this is not even a choice.. it has to be done... for max overclocking.
1k is enough.
Anything past $1100 is diminishing returns TP. You could build a pretty solid computer for $1k.
Here's one for example:
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qL2CZL) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qL2CZL/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97I Gaming AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z97igamingac) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f31866c9d8gab) ($69.30 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct120m500ssd1) ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($57.23 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9280xtdfd) ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 250D Mini ITX Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011047ww) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120g10650xr) ($66.66 @ Newegg)
Total: $1004.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-25 00:21 EDT-0400
Even this Newegg bundle (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1758480) is pretty decent for the money.
Anything past $1100 is diminishing returns TP. You could build a pretty solid computer for $1k.
Here's one for example:
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qL2CZL) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qL2CZL/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97I Gaming AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z97igamingac) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f31866c9d8gab) ($69.30 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct120m500ssd1) ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($57.23 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9280xtdfd) ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 250D Mini ITX Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011047ww) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120g10650xr) ($66.66 @ Newegg)
Total: $1004.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-25 00:21 EDT-0400
Even this Newegg bundle (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1758480) is pretty decent for the money.
Diminishing returns don't really hit home until $1500
The reason is.. if you consider the TOTAL cost of the pc.. the mobo/case/cooling/psu/ram these are all essentials yet they don't really affect the performance of the PC..\
Which is why you MUST target the BIG components.. and it's not really diminished returns, if say you increase the cost from a 7970 $250 to a 290x $450.
That's $200 increase out of a total build cost of 1K.. yet you get nearly double the graphics horsepower.
so... 20% increase of overall-price for 2x more gaming performance.. that is totally worth it.
at $1500.. you pretty much need to get another graphics card.. THAT then really causes diminishing returns
Anything past $1100 is diminishing returns TP. You could build a pretty solid computer for $1k.
Here's one for example:
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qL2CZL) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/qL2CZL/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54690k) ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z97I Gaming AC Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z97igamingac) ($189.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/gskill-memory-f31866c9d8gab) ($69.30 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial M500 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct120m500ssd1) ($65.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex) ($57.23 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 280X 3GB Double Dissipation Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-video-card-r9280xtdfd) ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 250D Mini ITX Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-case-cc9011047ww) ($84.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-power-supply-120g10650xr) ($66.66 @ Newegg)
Total: $1004.12
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-25 00:21 EDT-0400
Even this Newegg bundle (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1758480) is pretty decent for the money.
Diminishing returns don't really hit home until $1500
The reason is.. if you consider the TOTAL cost of the pc.. the mobo/case/cooling/psu/ram these are all essentials yet they don't really affect the performance of the PC..\
Which is why you MUST target the BIG components.. and it's not really diminished returns, if say you increase the cost from a 7970 $250 to a 290x $450.
That's $200 increase out of a total build cost of 1K.. yet you get nearly double the graphics horsepower.
so... 20% increase of overall-price for 2x more gaming performance.. that is totally worth it.
at $1500.. you pretty much need to get another graphics card.. THAT then really causes diminishing returns
I think that the main point here is that the OP has a budget of ~$1k. They should be able to get a very respectable gaming machine (albeit not state of the art) capable of running modern games no problem. I think what they're asking is what is the best value for the dollar on a machine totalling ~$1k.
I second nubbinator's build. i5 4690 is still high end and could be reduced to save money (buying locked), and you can always add the 1TB hard drive at a later date. I have a Crucial M500 and so far it's been excellent.
You could shave that build off another $100 down to $900 and still have a more than adequate rig that can be updated as you go. The only thing missing is a copy of Windows which can be had for $100 right now on Newegg.
Then there's always set menu B... The following isn't a half bad package to start, and keeps it nice and simple for $686.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1620488 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1620488)
I don't see any reason for him to go intel, might as well go AMD unless he plans on doing a bunch of editing or other processor heavy tasks.
I'm feeling some serious deja vu. Demik asking for pc builds... sff, swear I've seen this thread before.
TP unless he's super worried about frames 780 and all that is not needed. Its just OCN hype. Yes they are great, I owned a 780 classified. But I have 2x r9 270's. My HTPC had issues so I had to put one of my gpu's in it.
Surprised to see that one 270 (non x) can play BF4 on high @ 1440p at 45-55 fps. Totally playable.
Sounds like Demik is just doing some casual gaming. Not sure $400+ gpu is needed, especially at 1080p.
fps, 1440 and it's just for gaming. still going to use my mac mini for browsing
and im liking nub's buildI'm feeling some serious deja vu. Demik asking for pc builds... sff, swear I've seen this thread before.
TP unless he's super worried about frames 780 and all that is not needed. Its just OCN hype. Yes they are great, I owned a 780 classified. But I have 2x r9 270's. My HTPC had issues so I had to put one of my gpu's in it.
Surprised to see that one 270 (non x) can play BF4 on high @ 1440p at 45-55 fps. Totally playable.
Sounds like Demik is just doing some casual gaming. Not sure $400+ gpu is needed, especially at 1080p.
im no filthy casual, how dare you!
fps, 1440 and it's just for gaming. still going to use my mac mini for browsingLol well I saw the Mac mini and just figured. I guess I take back what I said if your at 1440. Still hard to squeeze all the parts into $500 if you spend half on GPU.
and im liking nub's buildI'm feeling some serious deja vu. Demik asking for pc builds... sff, swear I've seen this thread before.
TP unless he's super worried about frames 780 and all that is not needed. Its just OCN hype. Yes they are great, I owned a 780 classified. But I have 2x r9 270's. My HTPC had issues so I had to put one of my gpu's in it.
Surprised to see that one 270 (non x) can play BF4 on high @ 1440p at 45-55 fps. Totally playable.
Sounds like Demik is just doing some casual gaming. Not sure $400+ gpu is needed, especially at 1080p.
im no filthy casual, how dare you!
im willing to spend a bit more on a better gpu
Nubs build is solid, although the graphics card is slightly lacking. If you spend maybe another $200 you could have a solid gfx for 1440p gaming. I have a Geforce 670gtx 2gb vram that I bought a year or two ago and it can plays games at 1440p fairly well. Currently you could get something even better than that for around $400. Make sure to get something with 4gb vram.
Are mitx boards really that expensive?
Didn't notice, I'd get a used cpu probably then, my i7 920 is still plenty of power for gaming.I don't see any reason for him to go intel, might as well go AMD unless he plans on doing a bunch of editing or other processor heavy tasks.
Aside from not being great when compared to Intel right now, AMD sucks for mITX. My build is the only SFF build listed in here and he asked for SFF.
I love AMD, but I have a hard time recommending them right now.
to me, nub's build looks the best here. there is *zero* need to get an i7 over an i5 for gaming purposes. none whatsoever. it's not justifiable.
I don't know a lot about the EVGA PSU but 650w is a bit overkill as well, if there's one around 500w available for about the same price, I'd say aim for that.
SeaSonic G-550 might work too depending on price in your area. (I never shopped PC parts in the US, sorry!)
or even G-450, since the peak draw of the R9 280x doesn't seem to be near 650w - beefier systems seem to peak at 400w. so unless you plan to go double GPU, which in ITX is uh... not sure if possible even... but crazy.
I don't know the pricing but SeaSonic are reliable and quiet, highly recommended.
you COULD also cut a little on the motherboard, if there's any Asus board (better CPU placement for cooling options for ITX builds, in my experience, and also just really good) with H97 or similar, H97I-Plus should be great - about half the price of the Z97 gaming boards. I assume you won't be overclocking and whatnot, so you should be more than fine with that.
One thing I always recommend to people in the market for a PSU: DO. NOT. SKIMP. The PSU is the literal heart of your machine. Without it, nothing works, and if you get a bad one, it can kill your machine (and possibly fry the components). I recommend using one that is at least 80+ Bronze certified, and preferably 80+ Gold or higher. As far as brands go, I recommend Corsair and Seasonic for all wattage ranges, and EVGA and Antec for the 900W+ range. Pay the money for a good PSU. You will be money ahead in the long run.
One thing I always recommend to people in the market for a PSU: DO. NOT. SKIMP. The PSU is the literal heart of your machine. Without it, nothing works, and if you get a bad one, it can kill your machine (and possibly fry the components). I recommend using one that is at least 80+ Bronze certified, and preferably 80+ Gold or higher. As far as brands go, I recommend Corsair and Seasonic for all wattage ranges, and EVGA and Antec for the 900W+ range. Pay the money for a good PSU. You will be money ahead in the long run.
Now while I agree that not skimping out on the PSU is a good idea, Having a 900W PSU for a system that draws 400W at most is absolutely wasteful. Those beefier PSUs are designed to run at about 70% of their rated load. If your build draws 400W, then get a 500W PSU and call it good.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you should buy a 900W PSU for a 400W system.Ok that makes a lot of sense, and I agree wholeheartedly. I usually buy my PSU based on the OEM, not the brand :p
Generally speaking, when I buy a PSU for a build, I calculate it out in one of two ways:
1) If the build is a standalone system (never to be upgraded), then I calculate out how much the power draw is and add 10%. That way, just in case all things come together perfectly and for some reason everything maxes out on the load at once, there's still enough power to do so without straining the PSU.
2) If the build is an upgradeable system, I calculate out and add 20-40% depending on the initial wattage, how much it can upgrade, and what the purpose of the machine is.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you should buy a 900W PSU for a 400W system.Ok that makes a lot of sense, and I agree wholeheartedly. I usually buy my PSU based on the OEM, not the brand :p
Generally speaking, when I buy a PSU for a build, I calculate it out in one of two ways:
1) If the build is a standalone system (never to be upgraded), then I calculate out how much the power draw is and add 10%. That way, just in case all things come together perfectly and for some reason everything maxes out on the load at once, there's still enough power to do so without straining the PSU.
2) If the build is an upgradeable system, I calculate out and add 20-40% depending on the initial wattage, how much it can upgrade, and what the purpose of the machine is.
I think I may have finally found a PSU that beats the beast one I posted earlier that I pulled out of a workstation.
check it out 1500W and 80+ titanium
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story5&reid=378
Those interior shots look pretty sick, and I will admit that the performance numbers are quite impressive to match.
Dave Jones (http://eevblog.com) would be calling this PSU pornographic.MoreShow Image(http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules/NDReviews/images/CorsairAX1500i/DSC_5849.jpg)
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I was initially leery of "realhardtechx.com" because they aren't mentioned by hardwaresecrets' list (http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Hardware-Secrets-Power-Supply-Test-Methodology/522/7) of reviwer websites who actually have the tools to properly test PSUs. But when I checked them out, I saw they archive other places ratings. So I guess that's ok.
Nubbinator: you forgot delta, who are a favorite for many of their builds. I prefer Sony (check out that APS112 !), but they only seem to make workstation PSUs.
well, took my old pc out of storage and my soundcard is no longer recognized even though it was working but 10 mins ago. no idea how that happened, and my board has no on board audio. so my mic is worthless and i need to use my schiit stack to get any audio.
it's like this computer wants me to get rid of it
Soundcard isnt a problem i have my dac. But my mic is now worthless until I buy something usbI read your post, and saw that you were using a DAC for audio output.
Soundcard isnt a problem i have my dac. But my mic is now worthless until I buy something usbI read your post, and saw that you were using a DAC for audio output.
That's why I offered to give you a soundcard.
One with a line-in. So you could use your mic.
Doesn't matter though, because I threw them away after I figured I'd never use them.
WINDOWS IS THE SUPREME BEING IN THE WORLD OF OPERATING SYSTEMS. EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH SHOULD USE WINDOWS, AND ONE SHOULD USE MAC OR AN IPHONE. THEY ARE ALL PIECES OF JUNK. COMPUTERS RUNNING WINDOWS ARE SUPERIOR.That is what the Indian scammers calling from "The Department of your Windows Computer" yell at me when I say to them that I run Linux ...
I just went for two R9 270s and an i5 and I do alright running Dota2 etc. Although looking into it now, it seems like I did a dumb and should have bought one 280 instead. Whoops.
Can't for the life of me work out how to make both GPUs work, but I will get there.
soundcard working again.That's good to hear! Do you know what the issue was so it doesn't rear it's ugly head again?
asus was just messing with me last night
****ing broken AGAIN
****ing broken AGAIN
works again.
wonder how long i have till it fully dies
Hardforum classifieds will get you an awesome deal for around $1k. Check this out. You might be able to get the guy to do the whole package for $1k and it'd make an awesome gaming rig. You'd just need RAM.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1830829
works again.
wonder how long i have till it fully dies
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