There is nothing inherently offensive or criminal about it.
The issue comes down to a major productivity loss on part of the user.
Therefore the central government Must ordain such acts to be illegal, otherwise, it risks an epidemic loss of low-cost labor.
There is nothing inherently offensive or criminal about it.
The issue comes down to a major productivity loss on part of the user.
Therefore the central government Must ordain such acts to be illegal, otherwise, it risks an epidemic loss of low-cost labor.
I think that is extraordinarily overly simplified, and border line completely untrue.
The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.
The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose. It isn't about being better or worse.
There is nothing inherently offensive or criminal about it.
The issue comes down to a major productivity loss on part of the user.
Therefore the central government Must ordain such acts to be illegal, otherwise, it risks an epidemic loss of low-cost labor.
I think that is extraordinarily overly simplified, and border line completely untrue.
The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.
The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose. It isn't about being better or worse.MyTp4's perspective on drugs does NOT conflict with what you wrote here..
There is nothing inherently offensive or criminal about it.
The issue comes down to a major productivity loss on part of the user.
Therefore the central government Must ordain such acts to be illegal, otherwise, it risks an epidemic loss of low-cost labor.
I think that is extraordinarily overly simplified, and border line completely untrue.
On par with everything that comes out of tp.
Drug users, are the same people who chose a different mode of escapist activity.. That is all...
They are fundamentally no different than someone who chooses instead to ride fast vehicles, or skydive, or eat lots of cake.
Drug users, are the same people who chose a different mode of escapist activity.. That is all...
They are fundamentally no different than someone who chooses instead to ride fast vehicles, or skydive, or eat lots of cake.
One could argue that none of those activities are a terribly good idea. There are escapist activities that don't require a high risk of bodily harm, or excess in anything (caloric, monetary, or otherwise), are there not?
The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.
The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose. It isn't about being better or worse.MyTp4's perspective on drugs does NOT conflict with what you wrote here..
FTFY
The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.
The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose. It isn't about being better or worse.
My perspective on drugs does NOT conflict with what you wrote here..
The problem isn't for people who are looking for an occasional escapist activity. The problem is for people who take drugs to mask a true chemical imbalance, or mental illness.There are people in this world that can't simply "escape", without falling head first off a cliff into rocky waters. There are people who use drugs just to cope with day-to-day life, because their chemical makeup or mental state doesn't allow them to do so otherwise.
The casual pot smoker is not the issue. There are a good many people out there who self medicate and turn themselves, quite often, into an even bigger danger to those around them. Being blind to that serves no good purpose. It isn't about being better or worse.
My perspective on drugs does NOT conflict with what you wrote here..
If we are talking about prescription drugs, prescribed by a doctor that is monitoring care, then yes, those can be quite helpful and certainly should be considered. If we are talking about someone self-medicating to conceal a real issue that is another story entirely. The trouble is that it can be difficult to distinguish between the two for a external observer. "Oh, he just likes to smoke some weed to relax" might appear that way at first, or even for a long while. You don't really know until it becomes a problem. Stating that drug use comes down to "A major productivity loss on part of the user" and calling that the main problem is very, very misleading.
This is an issue I am very familiar with. There is nothing wrong admitting to and then seeking help for a mental illness - there should be no stigma associated with that. That may be with prescribed drugs, or it may be with some kind of therapy. The stigma often associated to reaching out for help only makes the problem worse. And people who think that using drugs, particularly stronger substances, is just a form of escapism are not helping that cause. Sometimes people need real help, and there is nothing wrong with that. Self medicating is almost never the answer.
For the record, I'm not a fan of the government telling me I can't grow a freaking plant because they say it is bad. That is stupid. I also don't have a problem with the people who can casually and responsibly handle their recreational drug use. What I do have an issue with is the self-medicating users. The two groups are distinct.
What if my genetic makeup gives me a -50 to motivation.
Would it be wrong to use an amphetasalt to balance me out?
What if my genetic makeup gives me a -50 to motivation.
Would it be wrong to use an amphetasalt to balance me out?
low motivation, is the same as ease of satiation..
The trouble is, while amphet salts might make you FEEL balanced, it probably won't make you pay more taxes..
So... the government probably wouldn't let you take it for "THAT"
However, if you have a ADHD, then yes, amphet salts WOULD make you pay more taxes.. so, then you could take it.
The government does not care how people feel... as long as whatever they're feeling leads them to increased GDP..
That is the true fundamental..
but EVERYONE is at potential for drug abuse..I also disagree with this. I think anyone could have some life event that leads them down a path, sure. But I don't think all people, without some intervening force, innately have a potential for drug abuse.
The human body is fundamentally an Imbalance, which requires constant maintenance..I do agree with this. One person might encounter some stress or hardship in their life and take care of it by listening to loud music while driving home, or maybe by taking off for a week to get some perspective. Another person might shoot some heroin. These should not be treated as equally good coping mechanisms. Now if someone is experiencing a life event and they require some extra help to overcome it and seek help for that, that should be encouraged, particularly over self medication.
I see this as an extreme reductionist argument that's more in line with a general commentary of how the government operates than a specific claim about the superficial issue.QuoteThe government does not care how people feel... as long as whatever they're feeling leads them to increased GDP..
That is the true fundamental..
So by your logic, the government says that drugs are illegal so that everyone will work harder and increase the GDP? This makes very little sense to me. Hell, if they fully legalized pot, how much more money could they be collecting in taxes?
I think TP4 is correct in this, but it really depends on what facet you are examining. Clearly everyone has the potential for drug abuse, but you can claim that everyone has a potential for something. Bringing out that potential, or having it affect your life is (perhaps) more dependent on the situation and history than any innate potential. I suppose that some people are more susceptible than others though.Quotebut EVERYONE is at potential for drug abuse..I also disagree with this. I think anyone could have some life event that leads them down a path, sure. But I don't think all people, without some intervening force, innately have a potential for drug abuse.
I agree. Regulation is very important and some people with difficulty doing that (bipolar spectrum seems to be a common example) often will self-regulate with the assistance of drugs or other escapist / targeted activities. I think that this is potentially very bad for the person in question, so I encourage everyone with difficulty regulating to seek assistance with that.QuoteThe human body is fundamentally an Imbalance, which requires constant maintenance..I do agree with this. One person might encounter some stress or hardship in their life and take care of it by listening to loud music while driving home, or maybe by taking off for a week to get some perspective. Another person might shoot some heroin. These should not be treated as equally good coping mechanisms. Now if someone is experiencing a life event and they require some extra help to overcome it and seek help for that, that should be encouraged, particularly over self medication.
I only smoke when I'm board. Right now I'm unemployed, so I am board a lot.bored*
I only smoke when I'm board. Right now I'm unemployed, so I am board a lot.bored*
dont smoke during board meetingsI only smoke when I'm board. Right now I'm unemployed, so I am board a lot.bored*
Don't correct me. I said I was board and I stand by it.
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I think TP4 is correct in this, but it really depends on what facet you are examining. Clearly everyone has the potential for drug abuse, but you can claim that everyone has a potential for something. Bringing out that potential, or having it affect your life is (perhaps) more dependent on the situation and history than any innate potential. I suppose that some people are more susceptible than others though.Quotebut EVERYONE is at potential for drug abuse..I also disagree with this. I think anyone could have some life event that leads them down a path, sure. But I don't think all people, without some intervening force, innately have a potential for drug abuse.
For example: alcohol and caffeine seem to be two of society's drugs of choice. There are people that abuse either. While it can be said that less people abuse alcohol, caffeine is becoming quite ubiquitous at least here in the US and I would say that many people are abusing it (one or more coffee a day is the norm in many places, and I would characterize this as abuse). Fortunately, caffeine seems to have less side-effects than other drugs.
What if my genetic makeup gives me a -50 to motivation.
Would it be wrong to use an amphetasalt to balance me out?
low motivation, is the same as ease of satiation..
The trouble is, while amphet salts might make you FEEL balanced, it probably won't make you pay more taxes..
So... the government probably wouldn't let you take it for "THAT"
However, if you have a ADHD, then yes, amphet salts WOULD make you pay more taxes.. so, then you could take it.
Let's simplify it. Make it -50 (normal trait)
Is it wrong to take +50 (normal trait)?
in the 80's saturday morning cartoons were interrupted with
just say no was too powerful of an initiative launched in the 80's i remember going to special counselor slim downed classes of 5, just to make sure we all knew to just say no.Show Image(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Photograph_of_Mrs._Reagan_speaking_at_a_%22Just_Say_No%22_Rally_in_Los_Angeles_-_NARA_-_198584.jpg)
here's the updated version
Confirmed Rachael Leigh Cook is hot as heck.
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I love her.
For now.
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I love her.
For now.
I don't like her chin... No go
Then we have the 'War on Drug's to combat drug use.. akin to treating cancer patients with a flame thrower
When I went to elemtary school, at the time we were privileged enough to have the D.A.R.E. program.<DaZE> at my school.. the cop from DARE passed around 3 joints to show everyone... and he said "if i dont get all three of these back this schools getting locked down and everyones getting searched till i find it.." and like 30 minutes later when everyone got to see 'em and they got passed back the cop had 4
Never knew so many drugs existed at my young age. Thankfully the sheriff's department had a brief case fashioned to be see through and fitted with ~shot glass sized compartments. Each of the compartments containing various drugs. The local dept was even kind enough to clearly label everything--how thoughtful!!
I the preceeeded to carefully jot down the list... <--- jk ;)
http://bash.org/?409When I went to elemtary school, at the time we were privileged enough to have the D.A.R.E. program.<DaZE> at my school.. the cop from DARE passed around 3 joints to show everyone... and he said "if i dont get all three of these back this schools getting locked down and everyones getting searched till i find it.." and like 30 minutes later when everyone got to see 'em and they got passed back the cop had 4
Never knew so many drugs existed at my young age. Thankfully the sheriff's department had a brief case fashioned to be see through and fitted with ~shot glass sized compartments. Each of the compartments containing various drugs. The local dept was even kind enough to clearly label everything--how thoughtful!!
I the preceeeded to carefully jot down the list... <--- jk ;)