I don't think 75% gets enough attention either!! While I love full size, I much prefer 75% over 60%.
keycap compatibility+shoving in a dedicated arrow cluster usually puts other keycaps in bad positions (tilde, etc.)
also imo an extra row+column looks ugly
I think they look kind of funny
I think they look kind of funny
i agree
they're gross
I think they look kind of funny
i agree
they're gross
you're gross :p
I think they look kind of funny
i agree
they're gross
you're gross :P
keycap compatibility+shoving in a dedicated arrow cluster usually puts other keycaps in bad positions (tilde, etc.)
also imo an extra row+column looks ugly
keycap compatibility+shoving in a dedicated arrow cluster usually puts other keycaps in bad positions (tilde, etc.)
also imo an extra row+column looks ugly
Agreed. 75% boards are just awkward and tough to get cap sets for since they're so inconsistent in layout. You not only get keys in weird spots, but also awkward mixed profiles.
I don't think 75% gets enough attention either!! While I love full size, I much prefer 75% over 60%.
I feel as if over the past year or so, the production for 75% has extremely diminished. It's literally impossible for you to get a KC 84 /w cherry switches now.
If you want to try and get a white Noppoo choc mini, it's hard to get that for under $400 (lol) and further more, it seems that the only switches that the Noppoo stocks is red now, it just seems like they're been phased out to me, maybe they're not making enough money or something, who knows.
keycap compatibility+shoving in a dedicated arrow cluster usually puts other keycaps in bad positions (tilde, etc.)
also imo an extra row+column looks ugly
Agreed. 75% boards are just awkward and tough to get cap sets for since they're so inconsistent in layout. You not only get keys in weird spots, but also awkward mixed profiles.
Okay then, answer me this.
Would you rather have a keyboard that you don't like, for example a 75% board with your favourite switches or would you rather use a keyboard that you do like, maybe your favourite 60% or TKL board with switches you do NOT like, e.g. Kailh switches or w/e?
also imo an extra row+column looks ugly
keycap compatibility+shoving in a dedicated arrow cluster usually puts other keycaps in bad positions (tilde, etc.)
also imo an extra row+column looks ugly
Agreed. 75% boards are just awkward and tough to get cap sets for since they're so inconsistent in layout. You not only get keys in weird spots, but also awkward mixed profiles.
Okay then, answer me this.
Would you rather have a keyboard that you don't like, for example a 75% board with your favourite switches or would you rather use a keyboard that you do like, maybe your favourite 60% or TKL board with switches you do NOT like, e.g. Kailh switches or w/e?
This seems like an incredibly pointless question.
I really don't mind the layout of 75% keyboards but the lack of keycap compatibility makes them a total no-go for me. That being said, despite the lack of extra keys I'd take an HHKB layout 60% over a 75% board any day.
keycap compatibility+shoving in a dedicated arrow cluster usually puts other keycaps in bad positions (tilde, etc.)
also imo an extra row+column looks ugly
Agreed. 75% boards are just awkward and tough to get cap sets for since they're so inconsistent in layout. You not only get keys in weird spots, but also awkward mixed profiles.
Okay then, answer me this.
Would you rather have a keyboard that you don't like, for example a 75% board with your favourite switches or would you rather use a keyboard that you do like, maybe your favourite 60% or TKL board with switches you do NOT like, e.g. Kailh switches or w/e?
This seems like an incredibly pointless question.
I really don't mind the layout of 75% keyboards but the lack of keycap compatibility makes them a total no-go for me. That being said, despite the lack of extra keys I'd take an HHKB layout 60% over a 75% board any day.
Oh it's just because at the moment, I have 2 x razer keyboards (orange switches) I'm currently selling one of them and was wondering whether I should keep using my (breaking noppoo choc mini) or use the crappy Kailh switch keyboard until I decide what I really want.
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if someone makes a 75% that has standard mods and doesn't look ugly i will buy it
if someone makes a 75% that has standard mods and doesn't look ugly i will buy it
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if someone makes a 75% that has standard mods and doesn't look ugly i will buy it
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Is that just a modded choc mini?
if someone makes a 75% that has standard mods and doesn't look ugly i will buy it
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Is that just a modded choc mini?
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http://winkeyless.kr/159 it's another mx-miniAny chance somebody can confirm if this is the U or W version? Hard to find info in English and I'd like to know if this is the one offered in Sprit's or Tinnie's GBs.
why aren't the function keys staggered :vif someone makes a 75% that has standard mods and doesn't look ugly i will buy it
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http://winkeyless.kr/159 it's another mx-miniAny chance somebody can confirm if this is the U or W version? Hard to find info in English and I'd like to know if this is the one offered in Sprit's or Tinnie's GBs.
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My latest 75%
It seems to me that the only reason 60% is more popular is because of the fact that you can more easily replace keys, I mean, I cannot use 60% boards because of the lack of keys, e.g. no f1 row, no arrow keys, etc.
Most of the 60% boards that I've looked at/used, they have those functions but with fn + x.
But I guess at the end of the day, it's just what the consumer wants, some of us want tkl boards, some of us 60% and some of us 75%, I just hope that the 75% board market does not get phased out and becomes non-existent ;_;
75% boards are either **** quality or korean.
75% boards are either **** quality or korean.
Lol not true at all. Siig Minitouch/Monterey K110 is Taiwanese. The TG3 BL82 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62213.msg1451805#msg1451805) I believe was made in Wisconsin. Both are nice quality and you can still get a hold of them. I own both.
Also i don't see why get 75%; if you want to go smaller than Full size, go TKL. Smaller? go 60%. That also means you are ready to have some less-used keys bound under the function layer. 60% is enough to cover all the missing keys and also have aditionnal functions.Comparing an ordinary tenkeyless keyboard and a typical 75% keyboard (like Noppoo Choc Mini, Keycool 84, Cherry G84-4100):
Try typing a report, resume. or spreadsheet on a 60% board.
Try typing a report, resume. or spreadsheet on a 60% board.
I don't see the issue....
Usually if people complain about 60%'s it is because they are missing the function keys for gaming - but that is not applicable to most office programs. When typing you don't really need the arrow keys either since it is usually fairly linear - just backspace for errors, and enter for paragraphs.
Form over function, like I wrote.
Can't you emulate the F1 row with a FN layer?
I like 65% :) (basically a poker + arrow cluster)
I like having the Caps Lock as my Fn Key and wanted the WIN key to remain a WIN key. If you just do the dip switches it becomes Caps Lock.
But if you use the PN layer then you can program it. Here is the process;
Set Dip Switches all Off.
Press Fn-Ctrl :enter programming mode
Press Caps Lock :This is the key you will be programming
Press WIN Key :This is what we want the previous key to do
Press Pn
Press Fn-Ctrl :Exit programming mode
Turn On dip switches 1 & 3
Press Fn + Shift :Lock Pn Mode
You should now have Fn on Caps Lock key and Win on the original Win key location.
Some food for thought. Would people use a board with separate buttons for 'a' and 'A' (think IBM 122 key but even more insane)? That way you have every key accessible without the pesky "Shift" layer.
I mean it's really not that different. What is the difference between pressing shift and 'a' for 'A', and pressing 'Fn' and '1' for 'F1'? Both involve holding a key and pressing another. Yet one people do countless times a day, while the other many shy away from because it is "too difficult/inefficient". Just something to think about...
Can't you emulate the F1 row with a FN layer?
One problem with have FN mapped keys instead of physical keys are the keyboard shortcuts that are used in IDEs such as Eclipse or Visual Studio as well as many other development and modeling tools. It is common to have 3 key combinations. Suppose you want CTRL + SHIFT + F1...if F1 is mapped to a FN layer, suddenly you have FN + CTRL + SHIFT + F1. The 3 key combo becomes an very unwieldy 4 key combo. Furthermore, you have to be careful of how the effect the FN layer mapping has on the modifiers. These 3 key shortcuts especially common with the nav cluster keys such as HOME, END, PGUP, PGDN as well as the arrow keys.
Some food for thought. Would people use a board with separate buttons for 'a' and 'A' (think IBM 122 key but even more insane)? That way you have every key accessible without the pesky "Shift" layer.Some early typewriters like Calligraph actually were like that.
I mean it's really not that different. What is the difference between pressing shift and 'a' for 'A', and pressing 'Fn' and '1' for 'F1'? Both involve holding a key and pressing another. Yet one people do countless times a day, while the other many shy away from because it is "too difficult/inefficient". Just something to think about...
This is an odd 75% layout I have been pondering....its wide left and adds a row to the bottom. I need to mock it up some time to see how annoying the extra bottom row is.Here was my similar concept:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pS0srBf.png)
Now that's an interesting layout! The two controls next to each other look a bit weird, but I do see the point.This is an odd 75% layout I have been pondering....its wide left and adds a row to the bottom. I need to mock it up some time to see how annoying the extra bottom row is.Here was my similar concept:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pS0srBf.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/m4DT8Tk.png)
(Though personally I suspect swapping ctrl and shift might work better. Thumb shift is a really nice feature.)
Now that's an interesting layout! The two controls next to each other look a bit weird, but I do see the point.I’d combine them into one key, but I think it’s more useful in a programmable keyboard to let someone remap them to two separate things if they want.
Conclusions: Due to the fact that the increase in performance following the training period did not cause higherOne of the tested keyboard was the Goldtouch Adjustable (a 75% keyboard, thus back on-topic!).
muscle activity, ergonomic keyboards may constitute a solution for reducing typing related musculoskeletal problems.
Could you tell me what keyboard this is? Maybe i don't get the joke and it's a modded Noppoo choc mini?if someone makes a 75% that has standard mods and doesn't look ugly i will buy it
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Could you tell me what keyboard this is? Maybe i don't get the joke and it's a modded Noppoo choc mini?if someone makes a 75% that has standard mods and doesn't look ugly i will buy it
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Thanks mate.
Could you tell me what keyboard this is? Maybe i don't get the joke and it's a modded Noppoo choc mini?if someone makes a 75% that has standard mods and doesn't look ugly i will buy it
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Thanks mate.
Its a few posts below. Its a new b.mini