Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 20:58:25
NEWS AND VOTING LINK:
- With this group buy format, the most essential packages will probably tip - if we gather enough support.
- Cospars will be cheaper by a tiny amount because "ABORT" was switched to "PANIC".
Please, don't forget to vote for Cospar if you like it.
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/cospar-sa/
CURRENT STATUS:
- Group buy scheduled to start on December 1st, 2014.
- My proxy has my color ring and I'm waiting it to be forwarded to Brazil so we can pick our colors.
PRICE TABLE:
(http://i.imgur.com/wCP4AYp.png)
- Blue is the MOQ I believe we should go with, in order to realistically achieve a tipping point.
(http://i.imgur.com/wCP4AYp.png)
FEATURED MOCKUPS:
(http://i.imgur.com/locAODN.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/1Xh4UPI.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/sI0Ad8K.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/1Xh4UPI.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/sI0Ad8K.png)
KEYSET PRESENTATION:
GeekHack!
Since I got into mechs, I always wanted to design a space themed keyset. I was looking at some NASA archives I've got in my computer and found some incredible pictures, from the Apollo 13 and Apollo 15 Missions, from the Apollo Program and inspiration just came.
- Cospar is SA (2-1-2-3-4-3) ABS doubleshot, semi-matte top and sides.
- It is the first SA sculptured keyset that completely covers QWERTY, Colemak and Dvorak layouts.
(http://i.imgur.com/lfsYbYH.png)
I'm thinking about 2-1-2-3-4-3, this setup is going to match very well the inicial concept.
(http://i.imgur.com/QfrOMIp.jpg)
Base Set
(http://i.imgur.com/vHp5uUa.png)
Colemak
(http://i.imgur.com/Z1iJ2UY.png)
Dvorak
(http://i.imgur.com/vfOB18S.png)
Novelties
(http://i.imgur.com/PAQxXLr.png)
Numpad
(http://i.imgur.com/lIeVFZc.png)
ISO
(http://i.imgur.com/nj3tMx9.png)
Tsangan
(http://i.imgur.com/bOyFKTO.png)
Ergodox
(http://i.imgur.com/f8b3CtY.png)
Blanks
(http://i.imgur.com/a1i8rb5.png)
Keycap Puller
(http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/images/Products/Red-Keycap-Puller-Wire-6.jpg)
Apollo 15 Lunar module cockpit. - 1971
(http://i.imgur.com/6LR0uGS.jpg)
S-IB Networks Panel - This panel monitored the state of the electrical bus communications within the Apollo S-IB rocket. - 1975
(http://i.imgur.com/OEoYUlv.jpg)
MOCKUPS BELOW:
(http://i.imgur.com/zwJimfS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/xkPFEcm.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/gktUELV.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WN3POMw.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/kqkXT6O.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/cm6Fux6.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ufF4z5E.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/UFXfWlV.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/xcaUVex.png)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 30 August 2014, 21:23:31
This one has that real olden feel with the choice colours selected PLUS having all the top F1 to F12 in a single colour matching the side section of the TKL keyboard.
OF course you'll be wanting to know what profile could this particular design be constructed in, why it's SA because you want to use the right stuff here :thumb: .
As Gawd is my witness if this gets made into SA Profile, I shall buy 4 of everything you've listed here when the time comes to buying it.
Post by: Heliosphere on Sat, 30 August 2014, 21:26:14
Too vivid for me.
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 21:28:02
RESERVED
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 21:32:19
I love space and the NASA theme, but the colors look like Tonka toys: http://www.vintagetoysillustrated.com/vintage-toys-for-sale/june/2012/TONKA_MIGHTY_TURBO_DIESEL_METAL_CONSTRUCTION_DUMP_TRUCK_CLEAR_WINDOWS_EXHAUST_STACKS.JPG (http://www.vintagetoysillustrated.com/vintage-toys-for-sale/june/2012/TONKA_MIGHTY_TURBO_DIESEL_METAL_CONSTRUCTION_DUMP_TRUCK_CLEAR_WINDOWS_EXHAUST_STACKS.JPG)
Too vivid for me.
I think I can close this thread and request it to be deleted, because it was worth the laugh already. "Tonka Toy"!
Jokes apart, I know what you mean, and I will tell you the truth. SP don't have the best colors in the world, they are very limited when it comes to Blue, Yelow and Pink (Pink is non-existant basically). I wanted a faded yellow and a grey-blue but unfortunately, they don't have it as we speak.
Post by: Heliosphere on Sat, 30 August 2014, 21:34:17
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 21:42:32
Haha I know what you mean Mito, and I meant no offense. I would like if the colors were more subdued, such as the grey-blue you mentioned, similar to the panel picture.
Yes, the panel! If only they h...
I'll mock it up on PBT.
They've got decent tones in PBT.
Post by: Mercury7 on Sat, 30 August 2014, 21:56:04
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 22:04:28
I would very much like to see this come to fruition, especially if it's possible to match the original console colors. Is there a possibility of you exploring a similar color matching path that the galaxy class set utilized?
It kinda does, Mercury. Galaxy used PBT Dye-Sub and I tried to mock Cospar on PBT Dye-Sub specs. Take a look below:
(http://i.imgur.com/glRLCTC.png)
I used the BFD PBT tone, and I'm gonna try the BFH right now, cause it kinda looks closer to the blue-grey panel.
(http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/pbtBlues.JPG)
Post by: Moralless on Sat, 30 August 2014, 22:14:17
I would very much like to see this come to fruition, especially if it's possible to match the original console colors. Is there a possibility of you exploring a similar color matching path that the galaxy class set utilized?
It kinda does, Mercury. Galaxy used PBT Dye-Sub and I tried to mock Cospar on PBT Dye-Sub specs. Take a look below:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/glRLCTC.png)
I used the BFD PBT tone, and I'm gonna try the BFH right now, cause it kinda looks closer to the blue-grey panel.Show Image(http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/pbtBlues.JPG)
I very much prefer this color scheme than the one you initially posted.
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 22:18:11
Look at this:
(http://i.imgur.com/SokjhZS.png)
We can use a brighter red, maybe.
Post by: Heliosphere on Sat, 30 August 2014, 22:31:40
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 22:35:16
A few mockups with the new color scheme:
(http://i.imgur.com/jGkOFGj.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/wq5SK56.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/qAENmEY.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/qAENmEY.png)
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 30 August 2014, 22:37:12
If you want it done in PROPER PBT then go ask Imsto to produce it for you because he'll have it all done at BSP head quarters where real PBT key-caps are produced. Although waiting for them to arrive to your place will take some time.
Just stick with the current status-quo go with standard SA ABS injected key-caps and have no worries about quality and execution. Plus it'll be all made much sooner and delivered far quicker.
I don't understand why this fascination for PBT when ABS works just as well and with the current SA profile produced by SP, it's better quality compared to any other profile made by them.
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 22:44:41
MiTo don't be fooled into choosing PBT rubbish to produce your design because it will FAIL major league.
If you want it done in PROPER PBT then go ask Imsto to produce it for you because he'll have it all done at BSP head quarters where real PBT key-caps are produced. Although waiting for them to arrive to your place will take some time.
Just stick with the current status-quo go with standard SA ABS injected key-caps and have no worries about quality and execution. Plus it'll be all made much sooner and delivered far quicker.
I don't understand why this fascination for PBT when ABS works just as well and with the current SA profile produced by SP, it's better quality compared to any other profile made by them.
I tried PBT because they don't have blue/grey tones close to the Apollo 15 Panel in ABS. Also, the yellow on ABS is too vivid.
Signature Plastics have different colors for ABS and PBT. Totally different.
But realistically, I liked the first version with lighter Alphas way more. Tonka Toy on SA would look pretty awesome, I believe.
Post by: NotLarryEllison on Sat, 30 August 2014, 22:52:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w)
More importantly, will this keyset have a drawn reciprocation dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal deplanaration?
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 23:02:59
Is it just me, or did anybody else automatically think of Rockwell Automation's Retro Encabulator when you saw those pics?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w)
More importantly, will this keyset have a drawn reciprocation dingle arm to reduce sinusoidal deplanaration?
I natively speak portuguese. 90% of the time of the video I was just looking at the machine and it's buttons because I couldn't understand jack**** he was talking about.
Do you even hyperbolic?
Post by: Heliosphere on Sat, 30 August 2014, 23:08:44
Post by: BamBooBam on Sat, 30 August 2014, 23:09:03
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 30 August 2014, 23:16:48
Go with what you think is best MiTo, I'm just throwing some opinions around.
I will request decent sample colors from Melissa, next Monday.
She's probably gonna kill me.
Post by: SL89 on Sat, 30 August 2014, 23:32:32
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 00:01:58
(http://i.imgur.com/QBXAdXd.png)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 31 August 2014, 00:12:05
But realistically, I liked the first version with lighter Alphas way more. Tonka Toy on SA would look pretty awesome, I believe.
That's my opinion as well :thumb: . Don't ever back away from your very FIRST assumption regarding this colour-way. Stick to it because your name will be attached to this key-set hence go with your own instinct because the majority of geekhackers here are totally illiterate to colour and design.
I loved your first design and that's what got me really interested in it. BUT if you only prefer 'democracy' in realizing this design then rest assured it may tank before it even gets anywhere near SP's molds ::) .
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 00:17:45
But realistically, I liked the first version with lighter Alphas way more. Tonka Toy on SA would look pretty awesome, I believe.
That's my opinion as well :thumb: . Don't ever back away from your very FIRST assumption regarding this colour-way. Stick to it because your name will be attached to this key-set hence go with your own instinct because the majority of geekhackers here are totally illiterate to colour and design.
I loved your first design and that's what got me really interested in it. BUT if you only prefer 'democracy' in realizing this design then rest assured it may tank before it even gets anywhere near SP's molds ::) .
I think that the first assumption works for a lot of stuff when it comes to color schemes. You can't overthink.
I'll stick to the first ones, cause don't want Cospar to become a modern Space Cadet.
Next Monday I'll request a better picture of the BE blue chip and find a nice grey tone to drop on the legends of the alphas.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 31 August 2014, 00:41:53
I'll stick to the first ones, cause don't want Cospar to become a modern Space Cadet.
Next Monday I'll request a better picture of the BE blue chip and find a nice grey tone to drop on the legends of the alphas.
BRILLIANT :thumb: . What got me interested is the early 1970's look and feel of this key-set that screams NASA control panel (although never actually seen their cockpits in person).
I bet Jim Lovell would give you the gold award for making this happen especially now since it will be 44 years since their Apollo 13 mission 8) .
Post by: Den441 on Sun, 31 August 2014, 06:44:26
Post by: Mercury7 on Sun, 31 August 2014, 10:08:01
Post by: LechnerDE on Sun, 31 August 2014, 10:57:41
Didn't you want to do the Airborne Set next?
I like the new design as well, but in my opinion you should be careful not to overdo it. If you present new designs months before you actually want to get them produced many people will spend their funds on the next best thing and have no money left when your GB actually launches...
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 13:38:06
I'll stick to the first ones, cause don't want Cospar to become a modern Space Cadet.
Next Monday I'll request a better picture of the BE blue chip and find a nice grey tone to drop on the legends of the alphas.
BRILLIANT :thumb: . What got me interested is the early 1970's look and feel of this key-set that screams NASA control panel (although never actually seen their cockpits in person).
I bet Jim Lovell would give you the gold award for making this happen especially now since it will be 44 years since their Apollo 13 mission 8) .
It indeed has the 70s look. I've seen the cockpit of a few modules and believe me it's hella sick.
Wish they took me to Houston for a trip.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 13:56:50
I've always wondered how BX would look as modifiers. The color samples of it look good to me.
Good eye, sir.
As a matter of fact, I really believe that the BE is what we should go for - it looks very aged and faded.
The beige legends on the BE tone would look very nice IRL, like that grandma's old television. Legends kinda faded.
Look:
BE BLUE (60%):
(http://i.imgur.com/DHzDXly.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DHzDXly.png)
BX BLUE (60%):
(http://i.imgur.com/QeyUouQ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/QeyUouQ.png)
BE BLUE (TKL):
(http://i.imgur.com/Q1UYIk2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Q1UYIk2.png)
BX BLUE (TKL):
(http://i.imgur.com/OuslOwY.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/OuslOwY.png)
TONE COMPARISON:
(http://i.imgur.com/a8JDb9X.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/a8JDb9X.png)
Good or crap?
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 14:04:19
So SA profile ABS double shot?
1-1-2-3-4-3, probably.
Post by: SL89 on Sun, 31 August 2014, 14:04:54
Post by: Mercury7 on Sun, 31 August 2014, 14:09:22
I don't mind either color, certainly the more faded of the two would lend itself to a retro feel when paired with the right shade of gray
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 14:17:49
Man, you're cranking out design after design!
Didn't you want to do the Airborne Set next?
I like the new design as well, but in my opinion you should be careful not to overdo it. If you present new designs months before you actually want to get them produced many people will spend their funds on the next best thing and have no money left when your GB actually launches...
PuLSE will be launched on Sep 8th. I don't know long the GB will last, but probably something like 20-30 days. Therefore, production will start on October and the shipping should conclude by November.
According to my calculations, and considering that the integrate of a constant is x and also having in mind that the Moon takes 27 days to conclude a full orbit around the Earth... Cospar on X-Mas confirmed.
Seriously now, I don't know if PuLSE is going to tip even though you guys believe it's good and well designed. Hopefully, it will.
I will launch Cospar IC on PMK right after PuLSE GB ends. That way, people who missed PuLSE, will have a decent new SA to go for as I will not do Round 2 on any of my designs.
Airborne is DSA, and I will IC here and on PMK when PuLSE GB is live.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 14:24:14
Do you have BE/BX flipped? http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/absblue.JPG BX looks more faded in this pic from sp
I don't mind either color, certainly the more faded of the two would lend itself to a retro feel when paired with the right shade of gray
Unfortunately not, I will ask better samples tomorrow. I tried the grey legends, take a look:
GY Grey Legends (60%)
(http://i.imgur.com/SPEAs2g.png)
GY Grey Legends (TKL)
(http://i.imgur.com/acJPcud.png)
Post by: Data on Sun, 31 August 2014, 14:58:10
Post by: Heliosphere on Sun, 31 August 2014, 15:16:49
Do you have BE/BX flipped? http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/absblue.JPG BX looks more faded in this pic from sp
I don't mind either color, certainly the more faded of the two would lend itself to a retro feel when paired with the right shade of gray
Unfortunately not, I will ask better samples tomorrow. I tried the grey legends, take a look:GY Grey Legends (60%)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SPEAs2g.png)GY Grey Legends (TKL)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/acJPcud.png)
Colors look pretty good here. I can't say I'll be picking up a set but I'll keep watching as well.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 19:21:23
Do you have BE/BX flipped? http://www.keycapsdirect.com/images/colors/absblue.JPG BX looks more faded in this pic from sp
I don't mind either color, certainly the more faded of the two would lend itself to a retro feel when paired with the right shade of gray
Unfortunately not, I will ask better samples tomorrow. I tried the grey legends, take a look:GY Grey Legends (60%)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SPEAs2g.png)GY Grey Legends (TKL)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/acJPcud.png)
Colors look pretty good here. I can't say I'll be picking up a set but I'll keep watching as well.
This is cool man. The colors aren't really my cup of tea, but I dig the planet/orbit key. Looking forward to watching this one evolve. :thumb:
I believe that these colors should be implemented in the keyset, no doubt. Looking very good.
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 31 August 2014, 20:47:47
Consider getting a custom color mixed.
A blue-gray would be awesome.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 21:07:49
I really don't like the turquoise look.
Consider getting a custom color mixed.
A blue-gray would be awesome.
Which one do you refer as turquoise? And I don't know if I can get a custom with SP.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 31 August 2014, 21:25:19
Mission Control:
Cospar 60%
(http://i.imgur.com/WXEj1xn.png)
Cospar TKL
(http://i.imgur.com/AdNM7xx.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/WXEj1xn.png)
Cospar TKL
(http://i.imgur.com/AdNM7xx.png)
Calculations verified awesomeness, please report.
- over.
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 31 August 2014, 22:04:47
I think you can do it for ABS and PBT.
I think the mod color in the latest two mockups looks turquoise.
I can't decide if I like light or dark legends more.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 31 August 2014, 23:54:10
Mission Control:Cospar 60%Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WXEj1xn.png)
Cospar TKLShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/AdNM7xx.png)Calculations verified awesomeness, please report.- over.
It really looks like it's been left out in the Sun throughout Summer and you have the current result :( . AGAIN stick to the original concept of capturing the real colours of the internal cockpit and don't go producing something in the world of fantasy-land, it will discredit the whole Apollo 13 venture.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 September 2014, 06:58:49
Mission Control:Cospar 60%Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WXEj1xn.png)
Cospar TKLShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/AdNM7xx.png)Calculations verified awesomeness, please report.- over.
It really looks like it's been left out in the Sun throughout Summer and you have the current result :( . AGAIN stick to the original concept of capturing the real colours of the internal cockpit and don't go producing something in the world of fantasy-land, it will discredit the whole Apollo 13 venture.
But the faded tone is much closer to the colors on the cockpit then the previous blue tone!
Also, the goal is to make something that looks antique, I believe we achieved that with the faded turquoise, as they sure look they were left in the Sun.
Or in the Moon.
But seriously, I will contact SP and ask if they can do Pantone, as I'm looking for a grey-blue tone that totally exists in the palette.
EDIT: But I agree that this one down here looks really awesome. I just wanted to try a truly faded-left-in-the-Sun blue, but I don't know if 25 people are ready to try this. Probably not.
(http://i.imgur.com/GH0HdTT.png)
Post by: Mercury7 on Mon, 01 September 2014, 09:51:15
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 01 September 2014, 15:26:59
I really hope they can do some matching to get it close as possible to the apollo blue
Not very sure about it, I gotta email Melissa.
EDIT: According to the description in their website it is possible, but there's a fee.
Post by: tjweir on Mon, 01 September 2014, 15:41:20
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 01 September 2014, 18:56:26
EDIT: But I agree that this one down here looks really awesome. I just wanted to try a truly faded-left-in-the-Sun blue, but I don't know if 25 people are ready to try this. Probably not.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GH0HdTT.png)
Now you're talking with these colours. Still old-school and very close to the range of colours in their original Apollo capsule. Pity you can't use the NASA logo for this set to really make it official ;) .
Post by: taylordcraig on Tue, 02 September 2014, 16:55:16
I really hope they can do some matching to get it close as possible to the apollo blue
Not very sure about it, I gotta email Melissa.
EDIT: According to the description in their website it is possible, but there's a fee.
I've never seen the numbers but Galaxy Class wasn't outrageously priced and they had the nifty screen printed legends.
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 03 September 2014, 11:16:01
I really hope they can do some matching to get it close as possible to the apollo blue
Not very sure about it, I gotta email Melissa.
EDIT: According to the description in their website it is possible, but there's a fee.
I've never seen the numbers but Galaxy Class wasn't outrageously priced and they had the nifty screen printed legends.
We are taking about Pantone custom tones, not printing method.
Post by: admiralvorian on Wed, 03 September 2014, 12:17:02
SA profile would be amazing.
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 03 September 2014, 12:42:52
I really hope they can do some matching to get it close as possible to the apollo blue
Not very sure about it, I gotta email Melissa.
EDIT: According to the description in their website it is possible, but there's a fee.
I've never seen the numbers but Galaxy Class wasn't outrageously priced and they had the nifty screen printed legends.
We are taking about Pantone custom tones, not printing method.
Galaxy class had both.
It wasn't too pricey.
I bought one of each set. [It's almost done production, just waiting on some printing papers.]
techkeys.us bought some for resale too.
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 03 September 2014, 13:02:59
this is really great
SA profile would be amazing.
SA 1-1-2-3-4-3 or maybe 2-1-2-3-4-3 is a very interesting setup for Cospar.
I really hope they can do some matching to get it close as possible to the apollo blue
Not very sure about it, I gotta email Melissa.
EDIT: According to the description in their website it is possible, but there's a fee.
I've never seen the numbers but Galaxy Class wasn't outrageously priced and they had the nifty screen printed legends.
We are taking about Pantone custom tones, not printing method.
Galaxy class had both.
It wasn't too pricey.
I bought one of each set. [It's almost done production, just waiting on some printing papers.]
techkeys.us bought some for resale too.
Thanks for the info tdc, I will check with PMK what they can do on Cospar.
Do you have the ABS chips ring and a good camera? Or do you know anybody who can provide me nice pics? Believe me or not, Melissa can't. Lord knows why SP don't give a decent camera to her.
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 03 September 2014, 14:12:28
I really don't like the turquoise look.
Consider getting a custom color mixed.
A blue-gray would be awesome.
I think this set would be great in SA profile. Maybe SP can mix that custom color for you - find a blue with more of a gray component? Great looking potential set.
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Do you have the ABS chips ring and a good camera? Or do you know anybody who can provide me nice pics? Believe me or not, Melissa can't. Lord knows why SP don't give a decent camera to her.
Check my signature links -- me and few others took some high-res scans of a color ring a while back. How accurate are they? Tough to say.
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 03 September 2014, 19:24:22
I really don't like the turquoise look.
Consider getting a custom color mixed.
A blue-gray would be awesome.
I think this set would be great in SA profile. Maybe SP can mix that custom color for you - find a blue with more of a gray component? Great looking potential set.QuoteDo you have the ABS chips ring and a good camera? Or do you know anybody who can provide me nice pics? Believe me or not, Melissa can't. Lord knows why SP don't give a decent camera to her.
Check my signature links -- me and few others took some high-res scans of a color ring a while back. How accurate are they? Tough to say.
I'll totally chekc that with SP. I believe we can achieve a gray tone somehow.
And thank you very much for the pictures, you're awesome bro.
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 03 September 2014, 23:31:09
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 05 September 2014, 19:03:00
In regards to kroegnar's accuracy my monitor is 99.8% accurate and when comparing chips to colors I have on hand can tell very little difference; you could say when looking at the zoomed grain of the color that it is "accurate."
I won't get a ring anytime soon, so I gotta rely on calibrating my monitor too...
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 20 September 2014, 09:54:10
UPDATED OP!
Post by: Mercury7 on Sat, 20 September 2014, 12:57:31
Post by: Arcoril on Sat, 20 September 2014, 15:26:15
However, would it be possible to optionally get some boring modifiers with the standard labels? I'll probably pick up both, but I'd like to swap them out depending on if I end up using this for business or for pleasure. Don't mix the two!
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 20 September 2014, 19:38:04
UPDATED OP!
Absolutely Fvcking beautiful :thumb: .
Just as I thought you can't make anymore decent colour ways using SA Profile along comes this. Do NOT CHANGE the current shade of colours, it's superb. It's almost like being there in the capsule.
Just eagerly awaiting for your PMK launch date for this baby. No need to say I shall be there with my worn out wallet, keen for an orgy of Cospar Delights 8) .
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 20 September 2014, 20:28:58
I'm in love. Any possibility of offering some additional keys to compliment/replace the saturn and other 1.25 modifier keys? Perhaps some of these Dock / Engage / Cycle / Override / Invert / Purge ? Also opinion on a red "Alarm" or "Master Alarm" key added to the cospar kit?
I'm in love too. Deep love.
These colors are unbelievably cute and inoffensive IRL - the harmony between then and it's simplicity is just outstanding.
Are you suggesting extra modifiers? I couldn't really comprehend your suggestion regarding the Saturn replacement.
Also, I think I'm going to replace the red "EJECT" keycap on the Cospars for a red "ABORT" one because it looks more realistic.
I actually really like the more desaturated colors that you've got now.
However, would it be possible to optionally get some boring modifiers with the standard labels? I'll probably pick up both, but I'd like to swap them out depending on if I end up using this for business or for pleasure. Don't mix the two!
Maybe I can add the boring modifiers, but a price check with Melissa would be needed.
I don't know how expensive the Cospar Keyset is going to be, since it features a lot of custom doubleshot legends, but I want it to match the PuLSE prices (affordable).
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 20 September 2014, 20:40:57
UPDATED OP!
Absolutely Fvcking beautiful :thumb: .
Just as I thought you can't make anymore decent colour ways using SA Profile along comes this. Do NOT CHANGE the current shade of colours, it's superb. It's almost like being there in the capsule.
Just eagerly awaiting for your PMK launch date for this baby. No need to say I shall be there with my worn out wallet, keen for an orgy of Cospar Delights 8) .
By the end of our lives we will probably meet up and talk about all of the keysets I designed and you supported and we will have very funny stories about them.
- Hey Elrick, do you remeber that day when I said that PuLSE was going to be DCS? What was I thinking, seriously.
- Yeah MiTo, I remember that day clearly. What a crappy day.
- Yeah, thanks God we decided to go 1-1-2-3-4-3 with it.
- It's ****ing 3-1-2-3-4-3, MiTo. You silly bastard. And don't forget that that crap featured Row 3 Shift keys.
And then we die.
EDIT: Of laughter.
Post by: justspeechless on Sun, 21 September 2014, 00:11:23
Post by: kalrand on Sun, 21 September 2014, 00:40:33
If you're doing SA, any chance of all keys profiled R3?
I would very much like this.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 21 September 2014, 00:51:50
Post by: Mercury7 on Sun, 21 September 2014, 08:03:09
I'm in love. Any possibility of offering some additional keys to compliment/replace the saturn and other 1.25 modifier keys? Perhaps some of these Dock / Engage / Cycle / Override / Invert / Purge ? Also opinion on a red "Alarm" or "Master Alarm" key added to the cospar kit?
Are you suggesting extra modifiers? I couldn't really comprehend your suggestion regarding the Saturn replacement.
I was just hoping in addition to the two Saturn modifiers there would be two text modifiers you could mix and match in their place and gave some possible options that might work
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 21 September 2014, 14:31:35
If you're doing SA, any chance of all keys profiled R3?
I would very much like this.
If you're doing SA, any chance of all keys profiled R3?
Why do you guys want All Row 3?
Post by: kalrand on Sun, 21 September 2014, 14:50:15
Why do you guys want All Row 3?
For me, it's mostly so that I can mix and match this with my Nuclear Green set, but also because I do a bit with programmable keypads, and that means I can shuffle things around without regard to profile.
I think for many people, its so they can do a devorak(sp?)/colemac/whatever or ergodox layout. Thought something tells me an ergodox with SA wouldn't be simple...
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 21 September 2014, 15:01:46
Why do you guys want All Row 3?
For me, it's mostly so that I can mix and match this with my Nuclear Green set, but also because I do a bit with programmable keypads, and that means I can shuffle things around without regard to profile.
I think for many people, its so they can do a devorak(sp?)/colemac/whatever or ergodox layout. Thought something tells me an ergodox with SA wouldn't be simple...
I can understand what you're talking about. I'm already offering an Ergodox add-on and I can totally include Colemak and Dvroak add-ons.
But I don't see why would you want to mix a deep green, and very ugly imho, keyset with something calm and cute like Cospar.
Cospar is not meant to be mixed with other keysets or novelties. It's very beautiful harmonized on it's own.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 21 September 2014, 15:03:01
SA profile and NASA inspired? I want in!
Stay tuned!
Post by: justspeechless on Sun, 21 September 2014, 20:05:48
Why do you guys want All Row 3?
For me, it's mostly so that I can mix and match this with my Nuclear Green set, but also because I do a bit with programmable keypads, and that means I can shuffle things around without regard to profile.
I think for many people, its so they can do a devorak(sp?)/colemac/whatever or ergodox layout. Thought something tells me an ergodox with SA wouldn't be simple...
I can understand what you're talking about. I'm already offering an Ergodox add-on and I can totally include Colemak and Dvroak add-ons.
But I don't see why would you want to mix a deep green, and very ugly imho, keyset with something calm and cute like Cospar.
Cospar is not meant to be mixed with other keysets or novelties. It's very beautiful harmonized on it's own.
I think we are allowed to be entitled to our opinions and we can do what we want with our keycaps. With that said, you come across as being arrogant when I see you post on /mk and here. Lot of your posts are just spam linking to your SA IT threads when they're irrelevant.
It was just a suggestion/question for SA row3 set, and it seems like you want the crowd to agree with what you want. To me, it's confirmed that even though you want "suggestions", you pick and choose what you want. 0% chance of different profiling. Maybe that's just me though.
/rant
Sorry, I don't post much and may not know the rules but I love being around this community and all things keyboard. This guy gets under my skin.
Post by: Data on Sun, 21 September 2014, 20:42:19
Why do you guys want All Row 3?
For me, it's mostly so that I can mix and match this with my Nuclear Green set, but also because I do a bit with programmable keypads, and that means I can shuffle things around without regard to profile.
I think for many people, its so they can do a devorak(sp?)/colemac/whatever or ergodox layout. Thought something tells me an ergodox with SA wouldn't be simple...
I can understand what you're talking about. I'm already offering an Ergodox add-on and I can totally include Colemak and Dvroak add-ons.
But I don't see why would you want to mix a deep green, and very ugly imho, keyset with something calm and cute like Cospar.
Cospar is not meant to be mixed with other keysets or novelties. It's very beautiful harmonized on it's own.
I think we are allowed to be entitled to our opinions and we can do what we want with our keycaps. With that said, you come across as being arrogant when I see you post on /mk and here. Lot of your posts are just spam linking to your SA IT threads when they're irrelevant.
It was just a suggestion/question for SA row3 set, and it seems like you want the crowd to agree with what you want. To me, it's confirmed that even though you want "suggestions", you pick and choose what you want. 0% chance of different profiling. Maybe that's just me though.
/rant
Sorry, I don't post much and may not know the rules but I love being around this community and all things keyboard. This guy gets under my skin.
Do you even realize what you're asking?
You want him to change the profile of the entire key set to Row 3 so you can use a few select caps with your Nuclear Data set.
And he's the arrogant one? His response to you was neutral, at worst. You're the one getting your jimmies rustled and making personal insults. You can take that bull**** back to Reddit with you. We don't do that here.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 21 September 2014, 20:55:25
maybe ill get a set
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 21 September 2014, 21:11:21
Why do you guys want All Row 3?
For me, it's mostly so that I can mix and match this with my Nuclear Green set, but also because I do a bit with programmable keypads, and that means I can shuffle things around without regard to profile.
I think for many people, its so they can do a devorak(sp?)/colemac/whatever or ergodox layout. Thought something tells me an ergodox with SA wouldn't be simple...
I can understand what you're talking about. I'm already offering an Ergodox add-on and I can totally include Colemak and Dvroak add-ons.
But I don't see why would you want to mix a deep green, and very ugly imho, keyset with something calm and cute like Cospar.
Cospar is not meant to be mixed with other keysets or novelties. It's very beautiful harmonized on it's own.
I think we are allowed to be entitled to our opinions and we can do what we want with our keycaps. With that said, you come across as being arrogant when I see you post on /mk and here. Lot of your posts are just spam linking to your SA IT threads when they're irrelevant.
It was just a suggestion/question for SA row3 set, and it seems like you want the crowd to agree with what you want. To me, it's confirmed that even though you want "suggestions", you pick and choose what you want. 0% chance of different profiling. Maybe that's just me though.
/rant
Sorry, I don't post much and may not know the rules but I love being around this community and all things keyboard. This guy gets under my skin.
Do you even realize what you're asking?
You want him to change the profile of the entire key set to Row 3 so you can use a few select caps with your Nuclear Data set.
And he's the arrogant one? His response to you was neutral, at worst. You're the one getting your jimmies rustled and making personal insults. You can take that bull**** back to Reddit with you. We don't do that here.
Don't worry Data, just let him rant.
That's the kind of behavior I face almost daily on Reddit. A lot of haters claiming that I spam and talk trash even though there are 4 PuLSE threads there or something like that. They also claim I'm a spammer when I recommend PuLSE for people that is looking for SA keysets that are not manufactured anymore. There are a lot of nice guys there, but a lot of butthurt kiddos.
It seems that Reddit is all about:
Look At My Poker II With My Tablet On School! I'm Annoying Everyone With Blues And Every Decent Girl Thinks I'm A Stupid Nerd!
But there's a lot of good people and content there.
Js you can have your opinion, sure. If you like Nuclear, that's awesome. I'm glad you got a keyset that you believe looks good. I don't want people to mix Cospar with other stuff but if they want to do, well, go for it. But I guess you missed the point.
(http://i.imgur.com/MC6e6AM.png)
I am not designing Cospar having other keysets in mind. I never designed a keyset having other ones in mind.
"I think I'm going Row 3 with PulSE so people can combo it with Penumbra." - Genius
Cospar profile is not even chosen yet, but I don't want to go Row 3 because of ergonomics.
Please, take the hate back to Reddit.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 21 September 2014, 21:15:27
now that i've seen mockups this seems much less awful than i thought initially
maybe ill get a set
I agree with you. Cospar was compared to Tonka Toys and the comparison was 100% accurate.
It's fixed now.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 21 September 2014, 21:35:35
Cospar profile is not even chosen yet, but I don't want to go Row 3 because of ergonomics.
Please, take the hate back to Reddit.
Keep thinking ONLY about Cospar because some here (only a tiny amount) want it to match with other key-sets which is all wrong. Apollo 13 was unique in it's inception and flight hence we need to acknowledge that with this key-set.
I know the younger ones have NO IDEA of what Cospar meant but we do. MiTo stick with your original ideas because that sells this set beautifully. Don't succumb down to a minority here hence ignore them because even if they managed to destroy your ideas, doesn't mean they will still buy it.
Remain loyal to those that actually will buy your ideas and designs relating to key-set colour-ways. I love your work hence don't give up on your original design for the sake of pleasing ONLY one or two strangers.
Besides you always need to ignore Reddit, here on Geekhack we've got more important aspects to concentrate on such as getting this baby finally launched on PMK site as soon as possible :thumb: .
Post by: justspeechless on Sun, 21 September 2014, 23:51:55
I'm not asking him to change the profiles for me, what I'm saying is that he would never change a detail for anyone, only add key sets at most for his sake.
Good luck in group buy, you will be successful no doubt. Pulse is doing tremendous.
Please don't categorize me as a redditor, only to alienate me from this community.
I love both of you guys :)
Post by: kalrand on Mon, 22 September 2014, 00:40:51
Why do you guys want All Row 3?
For me, it's mostly so that I can mix and match this with my Nuclear Green set, but also because I do a bit with programmable keypads, and that means I can shuffle things around without regard to profile.
I think for many people, its so they can do a devorak(sp?)/colemac/whatever or ergodox layout. Thought something tells me an ergodox with SA wouldn't be simple...
I can understand what you're talking about. I'm already offering an Ergodox add-on and I can totally include Colemak and Dvroak add-ons.
But I don't see why would you want to mix a deep green, and very ugly imho, keyset with something calm and cute like Cospar.
Cospar is not meant to be mixed with other keysets or novelties. It's very beautiful harmonized on it's own.
I am very sorry that I answered your question.
I won't make that mistake again.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 22 September 2014, 08:34:10
I'm not the one that has the nuclear set.
I'm not asking him to change the profiles for me, what I'm saying is that he would never change a detail for anyone, only add key sets at most for his sake.
Good luck in group buy, you will be successful no doubt. Pulse is doing tremendous.
Please don't categorize me as a redditor, only to alienate me from this community.
I love both of you guys :)
Why do you guys want All Row 3?
For me, it's mostly so that I can mix and match this with my Nuclear Green set, but also because I do a bit with programmable keypads, and that means I can shuffle things around without regard to profile.
I think for many people, its so they can do a devorak(sp?)/colemac/whatever or ergodox layout. Thought something tells me an ergodox with SA wouldn't be simple...
I can understand what you're talking about. I'm already offering an Ergodox add-on and I can totally include Colemak and Dvroak add-ons.
But I don't see why would you want to mix a deep green, and very ugly imho, keyset with something calm and cute like Cospar.
Cospar is not meant to be mixed with other keysets or novelties. It's very beautiful harmonized on it's own.
I am very sorry that I answered your question.
I won't make that mistake again.
Let's just discuss Cospar because that's what matters most.
I aprecciate the interest and support of both of you guys, and I'm sorry if I replied you both like it was the same person - I don't really know what happened.
Post by: admiralvorian on Mon, 22 September 2014, 11:16:09
Post by: kalrand on Mon, 22 September 2014, 11:23:40
Let's just discuss Cospar because that's what matters most.
I aprecciate the interest and support of both of you guys, and I'm sorry if I replied you both like it was the same person - I don't really know what happened.
Sounds good to me.
And, for what it's worth, it's a nice looking set. I'm still planning on grabbing one is 1) I can find the right keyboard to frame it with, and 2) if the money is there.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 22 September 2014, 20:00:16
oh man this is beautiful
Glad you like adm, it's very cute and sweet.
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 24 September 2014, 13:13:01
Let's just discuss Cospar because that's what matters most.
I aprecciate the interest and support of both of you guys, and I'm sorry if I replied you both like it was the same person - I don't really know what happened.
Sounds good to me.
And, for what it's worth, it's a nice looking set. I'm still planning on grabbing one is 1) I can find the right keyboard to frame it with, and 2) if the money is there.
I really wanted a glossy finish on Cospar.
But PMK can't do that, I believe.
Melissa is probably too busy cause she didn't answer my email asking for a price breakdown.
Post by: john2x on Sat, 27 September 2014, 00:13:10
Post by: deci on Sat, 27 September 2014, 01:25:27
Just chiming in to say I love this and I'm interested. Penumbra can go suck it. I'm a strong, independent man who don't need no Penumbra.
lol I like your style sir.
Personally, I'm still waiting for Mito to unpause Olimitto!
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 27 September 2014, 10:59:24
Just chiming in to say I love this and I'm interested. Penumbra can go suck it. I'm a strong, independent man who don't need no Penumbra.
This is just an interest check and will probably be at your front door before Penumbra shipping is done.
Post by: calvinhousecat on Sat, 27 September 2014, 11:30:21
Post by: john2x on Sun, 28 September 2014, 10:35:54
Post by: deci on Sun, 28 September 2014, 15:28:16
Can't wait for this set. The feels! :D
Post by: Arvid on Mon, 29 September 2014, 07:25:18
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 29 September 2014, 10:46:44
This looks awesome. Make this happen ASAP please! Take my $$!
Wanted to be an astronaut as a kid and loved everything Apollo.
Can't wait for this set. The feels! :D
We will do this guys, stand by!
Post by: Arcoril on Mon, 29 September 2014, 11:16:05
Post by: chrisq on Mon, 29 September 2014, 13:46:37
Does it cost much more to offer the alphas and the mods separately? I went in for two sets of Pulse, but one of them is going to be for an ErgoDox and I won't be needing the modifiers from that set. I don't mind having an extra set of backup mods, but any money saved is money I can put towards future sets like this one. :)
There might be a problem with different profiles if you care about such things.
Post by: Alex528 on Mon, 29 September 2014, 13:54:10
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 29 September 2014, 14:46:06
Does it cost much more to offer the alphas and the mods separately? I went in for two sets of Pulse, but one of them is going to be for an ErgoDox and I won't be needing the modifiers from that set. I don't mind having an extra set of backup mods, but any money saved is money I can put towards future sets like this one. :)
It actually does cost much more and Cospar will not be the cheapest SA keyset in the world.
Every single mod has a new legend and because of that we've got a pretty high price for the mods.
If I sell them alone, the Mission will fail.
And we don't have enough engineers to solve this issue in order to bring our clacks back to Earth.
Post by: Arcoril on Mon, 29 September 2014, 15:28:21
Does it cost much more to offer the alphas and the mods separately? I went in for two sets of Pulse, but one of them is going to be for an ErgoDox and I won't be needing the modifiers from that set. I don't mind having an extra set of backup mods, but any money saved is money I can put towards future sets like this one. :)
There might be a problem with different profiles if you care about such things.
Oh, I absolutely want matching profiles. :) Ideally what I would have liked to do was buy just the alphas and the corresponding ErgoDox modifiers that are offered along with the group buy in place of the standard modifiers. The 1.5u ErgoDox modifiers on this set and on Pulse are matched for the left and right columns, so the profiles wouldn't have been an issue.
Post by: Arcoril on Mon, 29 September 2014, 15:33:40
Does it cost much more to offer the alphas and the mods separately? I went in for two sets of Pulse, but one of them is going to be for an ErgoDox and I won't be needing the modifiers from that set. I don't mind having an extra set of backup mods, but any money saved is money I can put towards future sets like this one. :)
It actually does cost much more and Cospar will not be the cheapest SA keyset in the world.
Every single mod has a new legend and because of that we've got a pretty high price for the mods.
If I sell them alone, the Mission will fail.And we don't have enough engineers to solve this issue in order to bring our clacks back to Earth.
Gotcha, thanks. Disappointing for me to hear, but I understand. Still gonna grab one set though. :)
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 29 September 2014, 16:02:21
Does it cost much more to offer the alphas and the mods separately? I went in for two sets of Pulse, but one of them is going to be for an ErgoDox and I won't be needing the modifiers from that set. I don't mind having an extra set of backup mods, but any money saved is money I can put towards future sets like this one. :)
It actually does cost much more and Cospar will not be the cheapest SA keyset in the world.
Every single mod has a new legend and because of that we've got a pretty high price for the mods.
If I sell them alone, the Mission will fail.And we don't have enough engineers to solve this issue in order to bring our clacks back to Earth.
Gotcha, thanks. Disappointing for me to hear, but I understand. Still gonna grab one set though. :)
Thanks for being so supportive and friendly Arcoril.
I'm doing my best to guarantee decent prices for everyone!
Post by: Alex528 on Mon, 29 September 2014, 16:03:54
Post by: captvizcenzo on Tue, 30 September 2014, 02:28:04
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 30 September 2014, 03:40:25
Would this be a one time sale only like the Pulse?
I suspect it will because MiTo isn't in the vein of repeating himself over and over again, life's too short as it is. Always come out with more, new designs instead of doing the same old stuff over and over again 8) .
Post by: captvizcenzo on Tue, 30 September 2014, 07:05:49
Then I might jump in when this is on. The PuLSE color scheme is just not my cup of tea, but Cospar is! ;DWould this be a one time sale only like the Pulse?
I suspect it will because MiTo isn't in the vein of repeating himself over and over again, life's too short as it is. Always come out with more, new designs instead of doing the same old stuff over and over again 8) .
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 30 September 2014, 10:18:51
Would this be a one time sale only like the Pulse?
I suspect it will because MiTo isn't in the vein of repeating himself over and over again, life's too short as it is. Always come out with more, new designs instead of doing the same old stuff over and over again 8) .
Thanks for the answer Elrick, you're correct.
PuLSE and Cospar will be one time only and I don't plan to Round 2 on any of my projects.
I mean, we've got creativity, right?
Let's be inovative and exclusive.
Post by: Mercury7 on Tue, 30 September 2014, 16:53:35
Post by: captvizcenzo on Tue, 30 September 2014, 19:03:45
Anyway, is it possible to have EJECT or ABORT 1x key to have R1 profile?
Or maybe there will be a 60% stripe as an individual set?
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 01 October 2014, 08:13:30
Glad to hear MiTo, it bugs me how many people don't support a group buy then complain when it turns out great and they missed it. Do you have any guess as to a timeline for this group buy?
Yes, I don't understand why some runners do multiple Rounds with their stuff.
It's financially good? Fine, that only proves that you can't come up with great ideas multiple times.
Post by: chrisq on Wed, 01 October 2014, 09:00:06
Glad to hear MiTo, it bugs me how many people don't support a group buy then complain when it turns out great and they missed it. Do you have any guess as to a timeline for this group buy?
Yes, I don't understand why some runners do multiple Rounds with their stuff.
It's financially good? Fine, that only proves that you can't come up with great ideas multiple times.
It's easy to understand:
It gives a second chance to people that didn't have the chance/money/etc to get it on the first run.
I'm grateful to Matt3o for running Granite again, I wasn't looking for keycaps at the time of the first round.
It doesn't help that you make a new cool (to you) set, if what the users want is what has been done before. I'm happy not all agree with you, or I wouldn't have GMK Dolch incoming either.
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 01 October 2014, 10:50:38
Glad to hear MiTo, it bugs me how many people don't support a group buy then complain when it turns out great and they missed it. Do you have any guess as to a timeline for this group buy?
Yes, I don't understand why some runners do multiple Rounds with their stuff.
It's financially good? Fine, that only proves that you can't come up with great ideas multiple times.
It's easy to understand:
It gives a second chance to people that didn't have the chance/money/etc to get it on the first run.
I'm grateful to Matt3o for running Granite again, I wasn't looking for keycaps at the time of the first round.
It doesn't help that you make a new cool (to you) set, if what the users want is what has been done before. I'm happy not all agree with you, or I wouldn't have GMK Dolch incoming either.
Matt3o can run Granite one thousand times and it will succeed. Because it's basically the bread and butter of DSA. It's inoffensive and as soon as a first timer buy a keyboard, Granite will be recommended for sure.
If you missed a group buy because of timing, well that happens, unfortunately. That's why you gotta keep an eye on the community if you're a real enthusiast.
But money is not an excuse. Group buys usually happen in a 2-3 month period. It's not an excuse unless you're really broke. And if you're really broke, you shouldnt be looking for a new keyset (I'm not talking about you, this is just an example).
What I'm trying to say is this:
"Crap, I lost Miami. Really like it, wish somebody run a Round2 soon.
*Opens IC sub*
Oh wait, what's this Hoccard set? Gosh it looks amazing!
Miami who?
I'm not missing this one, for sure!"
If you are the kind of customer that tunnel vision a single design and nothing else looks good because of whatever reason, then I recommend you to stay tuned because I won't repeat anything.
Just stand by, and when something you like pops out, grab it.
That's my philosophy and my personal opinion as a keyset designer.
It's a philosophy that you can follow only if you don't plan to stop.
Post by: chrisq on Wed, 01 October 2014, 12:59:02
Matt3o can run Granite one thousand times and it will succeed. Because it's basically the bread and butter of DSA. It's inoffensive and as soon as a first timer buy a keyboard, Granite will be recommended for sure.
If you missed a group buy because of timing, well that happens, unfortunately. That's why you gotta keep an eye on the community if you're a real enthusiast.
But money is not an excuse. Group buys usually happen in a 2-3 month period. It's not an excuse unless you're really broke. And if you're really broke, you shouldnt be looking for a new keyset (I'm not talking about you, this is just an example).
What I'm trying to say is this:
"Crap, I lost Miami. Really like it, wish somebody run a Round2 soon.
*Opens IC sub*
Oh wait, what's this Hoccard set? Gosh it looks amazing!
Miami who?
I'm not missing this one, for sure!"
If you are the kind of customer that tunnel vision a single design and nothing else looks good because of whatever reason, then I recommend you to stay tuned because I won't repeat anything.
Just stand by, and when something you like pops out, grab it.
That's my philosophy and my personal opinion as a keyset designer.
It's a philosophy that you can follow only if you don't plan to stop.
You said you couldn't understand why, I gave you a good reason why: To help out keycap fans :thumb:
I would actually say that the more special sets would benefit the most from this.
If there's a new mech enthusiast that is also huge StarTrek fan, there's no new set that can replace Galaxy.
The same can be said for most of the themed sets like Miami, Penumbra (a set I'd like to see return) etc.
Now, I understand your position, you're taking what you consider some kind of keycap artistic high road. :-\
I'm just happy everybody's not like you and that Matt3o gave Granite a new round and Keypop did the coffee set again, both of which I ordered.
It would also be nice to see other sets return that didn't have all child deals succeed, perhaps they will on the second round.
Post by: Data on Wed, 01 October 2014, 13:05:40
Post by: chrisq on Wed, 01 October 2014, 13:17:23
There are good arguments for both approaches. I think MiTo just wants to keep the creative energy going, rather than to keep revisiting old designs so stragglers can join in. I don't think he has eliminated the possibility of follow-up group buys, just that he won't be personally organizing them.
You are correct as always Data, let's just leave this issue and get on with more interesting things.
... like refreshing the Galaxy group buy page for updates :D
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 01 October 2014, 13:24:57
There are good arguments for both approaches. I think MiTo just wants to keep the creative energy going, rather than to keep revisiting old designs so stragglers can join in. I don't think he has eliminated the possibility of follow-up group buys, just that he won't be personally organizing them.
You are correct as always Data, let's just leave this issue and get on with more interesting things.
... like refreshing the Galaxy group buy page for updates :D
You guys made very clever observations and I sincerely agree with both of you.
Benefiting keycaps fans is very important as they are the supportive crowd that fund projects and designs, but keeping the creative momentum going on is also very important. That's why we've got amazing group buys running recently, very nice ideas with different approaches.
It's a win win situation.
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 01 October 2014, 13:32:36
Well said MiTo.
Anyway, is it possible to have EJECT or ABORT 1x key to have R1 profile?
Or maybe there will be a 60% stripe as an individual set?
Glad to hear MiTo, it bugs me how many people don't support a group buy then complain when it turns out great and they missed it. Do you have any guess as to a timeline for this group buy?
Pardon for the little side tracking guys, getting back to your questions now.
capt, a 60% stripe like we did with PuLSE is definitely the way to go here. Thanks for the reminder, I was missing this detail. Will add before releasing prices next Monday.
Mercury, our official Interest Check should start next Monday on PMK and I'm thinking about a month long 30 days Interest Check. We should expect a GB launch by mid November, but this is yet to be confirmed as the IC didn't even start yet.
Post by: captvizcenzo on Wed, 01 October 2014, 19:12:00
Well said MiTo.
Anyway, is it possible to have EJECT or ABORT 1x key to have R1 profile?
Or maybe there will be a 60% stripe as an individual set?Glad to hear MiTo, it bugs me how many people don't support a group buy then complain when it turns out great and they missed it. Do you have any guess as to a timeline for this group buy?
Pardon for the little side tracking guys, getting back to your questions now.
capt, a 60% stripe like we did with PuLSE is definitely the way to go here. Thanks for the reminder, I was missing this detail. Will add before releasing prices next Monday.
Mercury, our official Interest Check should start next Monday on PMK and I'm thinking about a month long 30 days Interest Check. We should expect a GB launch by mid November, but this is yet to be confirmed as the IC didn't even start yet.
Nice. If possible please include both ABORT and EJECT in different colors. I'm guessing paying extra $2-$4 wont matter much. ;D
Post by: Matter on Mon, 06 October 2014, 06:19:12
Might be interested in them!
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 06 October 2014, 08:41:11
Mercury, our official Interest Check should start next Monday on PMK and I'm thinking about a month long 30 days Interest Check. We should expect a GB launch by mid November, but this is yet to be confirmed as the IC didn't even start yet.
No worries, better to let this baby float on the PMK website so that all may see and adore it's beauty 8) . I keep forgetting that we have single handedly bombarded SP with so many key-set orders, I bet they hate this forum by now ;D .
Post by: deci on Mon, 06 October 2014, 12:41:38
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 06 October 2014, 20:58:51
Stay tuned and let's bomb their voting system again.
Post by: bickle on Tue, 07 October 2014, 01:30:34
I have always interested in your design.
Can you add blue enter(launch)?
Because I want to match the color of modifiers. :)
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 07 October 2014, 10:39:22
COOL!
I have always interested in your design.
Can you add blue enter(launch)?
Because I want to match the color of modifiers. :)
Sure, will add to the Cospars.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 07 October 2014, 17:10:22
UPDATED OP, WE'RE LIVE ON PMK! LET'S DO THIS!
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 09 October 2014, 10:45:54
I'm afraid there's not enough interest.
Post by: 01111000 on Thu, 09 October 2014, 12:50:34
Estimated GB Launch: 1st week of December.Wait for a few months and try again. Also, this does conflict with 7bit's buy, which offers a similar color scheme in the same profile.
I'm afraid there's not enough interest.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 09 October 2014, 13:20:37
Estimated GB Launch: 1st week of December.Wait for a few months and try again. Also, this does conflict with 7bit's buy, which offers a similar color scheme in the same profile.
I'm afraid there's not enough interest.
Not exactly the approach of both keysets are completely different. Cospar has a vintage look, with its faded tones and funny mods. It has a unique antique look.
I will work on the navigation modifiers since apparently they aren't gathering too much attention. But I'll keep them text only.
Also, 7bit's R5 is almost twice as expensive as Cospar.
I updated OP because PuLSE will conclude it's shipping by the end of November, that's why Melissa recommended Cospar GB to launch on the first week of December, when everybody will already had received PuLSE.
People lost interest in Cospar and because of that, I will just let the Interest Check keep running on PMK because this thread is dead. Of course that was going to happen, we just had a bomb SA keyset woth PuLSE. I wasn't expecting it to be so successful.
Wallets are hurt.
EDIT: We need at least some opinions and thoughts. Do you guys believe that W1 December is too early for your wallets? Do you guys believe we should postpone Cospar? It's all about you and your thoughts.
But I don't think we should let this thread die.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 09 October 2014, 18:40:44
EDIT: We need at least some opinions and thoughts. Do you guys believe that W1 December is too early for your wallets? Do you guys believe we should postpone Cospar? It's all about you and your thoughts.
But I don't think we should let this thread die.
FVCK NO. Are you kidding here, I shall buy 4 sets off you hence you will always get interest from me regardless of any given situations that may arise. Cospar has to be run because it's damn beautiful and full on vintage. With 7bits GB who the hell knows when anyone will see theirs delivered before the end of 2014(15).
Hence Cospar will be out in everyone's mail box before 7bits version(s).
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 09 October 2014, 20:44:14
EDIT: We need at least some opinions and thoughts. Do you guys believe that W1 December is too early for your wallets? Do you guys believe we should postpone Cospar? It's all about you and your thoughts.
But I don't think we should let this thread die.
FVCK NO. Are you kidding here, I shall buy 4 sets off you hence you will always get interest from me regardless of any given situations that may arise. Cospar has to be run because it's damn beautiful and full on vintage. With 7bits GB who the hell knows when anyone will see theirs delivered before the end of 2014(15).
Hence Cospar will be out in everyone's mail box before 7bits version(s).
I agree with you 100%. 7bit stuff always take several months to deploy and are always very expensive (also, the order system is very confuse).
Cospar is imho, thousands of times sweeter than R5 in multiple different aspects.
Problem is that there are not many people backing up Cospar, I think that because many people jumped on the PuLSE Hype Train, wallets are hurt.
As a matter of fact, I've got two theories about why this thread is dead:
- I spent too much time thinking about Cospar. I added Colemak, Dvorak, Ergodox, everything people could possibly need (Nordic layout too expensive, hence not considered) and because of that there are no suggestions to be made. I don't want to brag but apparently the keyset is already perfect to be launched and there's no room for improvement.
- People lost interest because they already ordered PuLSE and aren't looking for SA keycaps at the moment.
We can't expect to run two hot GBs at once. PuLSE apparently cannibalized Cospar.
I knew this would happen, but still, currently, Cospar is going to launch on December's first week until we demand otherwise.
Post by: peachesenregalia on Thu, 09 October 2014, 20:58:26
Post by: Alex528 on Thu, 09 October 2014, 20:58:51
Post by: peachesenregalia on Thu, 09 October 2014, 21:01:10
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 09 October 2014, 21:03:32
I actually held off on the PuLSE group buy so I'd have money around for the Cospar set. I'm in for at least one base kit and one numpad.
Interesting, I wonder if there are more people in the same situation.
I'm in for a base set and novelties
Apparently, there is.
Thanks Alex, let's see what we're going to do with Cospar.
Waiting until December might adversely affect sales, with the holidays right around the corner.
Agreed, problem is that we are already by the end of the year and I believe that Decemeber W1 is the earlier PMK can do.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 09 October 2014, 21:10:05
Post by: john2x on Thu, 09 October 2014, 21:14:33
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 09 October 2014, 21:16:51
The later the group buy, the better for me :) More time to save up and hopefully my Granites arrive before this group buy starts :P
I'm considering this, Granite and PuLSE sucked way too much money from wallets.
And I'm only talking about keycaps, many others GB were run recently.
Don't worry, I think we'll be fine.
I would buy if it wasn't SA.
What's the matter! I think you're not the vintage kind of clacker!
Come to the SA side, we've got cookies.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 09 October 2014, 21:20:02
Post by: Alex528 on Thu, 09 October 2014, 21:24:02
I tried SA. Looks silly sitting so high on 60% boards IMHO. Also there's a ton of SA these days. Why not something different instead of more of the same?It's the future, man. Something something ergonomics
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 09 October 2014, 22:13:59
I tried SA. Looks silly sitting so high on 60% boards IMHO.
Easy solution to your dilemma, get a real keyboard size such as a 104 or a small TKL 8) .
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 09 October 2014, 22:26:30
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 09 October 2014, 22:46:07
Been there, grew out of it. Sold my last non-60% board over 3 years ago!
Easy, stick only with DSA's because this set is strictly VINTAGE hence it's all SA profile, please read the Op's beginning statement and see his design criteria. This set just aint for you Pal 8) .
Why don't you get http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/lunar/ currently residing on PMK's site, so scoot on over there and start buying it up for your tiny calculator-sized keyboard.
This Group Buy is pure Vintage styled hence for us, the real keyboard lovers know exactly what we're getting here with MiTo's design.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 09 October 2014, 22:51:40
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 09 October 2014, 22:58:09
Do you even realize that I already released a price table on OP, and that I really need feedback about it?
I mean, that really matters.
Cospar is completely ready to launch tomorrow, if PMK allowed me.
I want to know if you want more Novelties, if you want Alphas and Mods being sold separately, if you want me to bake you cookies or if you need a hug.
Please.
EDIT: Since this community apparently went blind after PuLSE (and I don't even know why) here's the Price Table. Please take a look at OP, I made many mockups and there's a lot of relevant info and news there.
(http://i.imgur.com/Lw4FYIc.png)
Post by: Vibex on Thu, 09 October 2014, 23:06:02
Guys.I think the pricing looks good, and I will probably be buying at least one of most things. :thumb:
Do you even realize that I already released a price table on OP, and that I really need feedback about it?
I mean, that really matters.
Cospar is completely ready to launch tomorrow, if PMK allowed me.
I want to know if you want more Novelties, if you want Alphas and Mods being sold separately, if you want me to bake you cookies or if you need a hug.
Please.
EDIT: Since this community apparently went blind after PULSE (and I don't even know why) here's the Price Table. Please take a look at OP, I made many mockups and there's a lot of relevant info and news there.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Lw4FYIc.png)
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 09 October 2014, 23:12:55
I think the pricing looks good, and I will probably be buying at least one of most things. :thumb:
Listen to this man.
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 09 October 2014, 23:57:35
Have you even used SA yet? I think a lot of folks like the idea of SA but haven't tried it.
I sit back and laugh at such pure ignorance since you're talking to the ORIGINAL SA addict here on Geekhack, which has bought every SA profiled Group Buy started since day ONE.
Because you've got issues (too numerous to bother analyzing here) the SA is adored and valued here at my place. Every time I purchase any more SA's I get even more keyboards to fill out with them. Before you start embarrassing yourself here publicly know who you're speaking too and don't waste time crapping about your own experience, whilst hundreds of others love using the SA.
The SA Profile simply rules above all other Profiles that were ever made by Signature Plastics, and you can quote that forever :thumb: .
Post by: Data on Fri, 10 October 2014, 09:01:06
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 10 October 2014, 13:16:33
It's OK, Elrick. Calm down buddy. /pet /pet
He's actually the Guardian of the SA Master Race.
Post by: bianco on Fri, 10 October 2014, 13:27:58
would you know if SA profiles are all smooth? or is it possible to have matte/textured surfaces?
i've been using the penumbra SA for quite some time and haven't really gotten used to the smooth texture
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 10 October 2014, 14:24:33
another inspired set MiTo!
would you know if SA profiles are all smooth? or is it possible to have matte/textured surfaces?
i've been using the penumbra SA for quite some time and haven't really gotten used to the smooth texture
Hey Bianco, haven't see you in a while mate.
SA keys are produced on 3 different finishes:
-> Semi-matte top and sides (all sizes are available with this finish - PuLSE and Penumbra are SMTAS);
-> Matte top w/ semi matte sides (I don't understand what's the point of this);
-> Glossy (not all sizes are available on the glossy finish).
I really wanted to go glossy with Cospar. However, Melissa alerted me that not all sizes are available because there's very low demand for it. She said it looks antique and that not many people request such a finish. I was pretty upset because that's exactly what I was looking for but since they simply don't want make such keycaps available for us, what can I do?
Oh well.
Therefore, we're kinda stuck with SMTAS, like PuLSE and Penumbra.
Post by: Alex528 on Fri, 10 October 2014, 14:27:44
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 10 October 2014, 15:53:20
Novelties! THERE CAN NEVER BE TOO MANY NOVELTIES! I don't have any ideas, but I wouldn't a variety.
Cospars will receive a Taste The Rainbow upgrade à la PuLSE today.
Post by: deci on Fri, 10 October 2014, 16:17:08
You already thought of everything and it looks amazing so nobody needs to suggest anything lol.
That and Pulse is stealing some of the thunder. Personally I love this one way more than pulse and can't wait.
I tried SA. Looks silly sitting so high on 60% boards IMHO. Also there's a ton of SA these days. Why not something different instead of more of the same?
Other than pulse, which of the other SA keysets are actually sculpted and not just uniform row 3?
I'd like to grab some other SA sets as well but I only want sculpted ones.
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 10 October 2014, 18:38:42
The colors I chose are not too vibrant so I think they should work with our colorscheme.
I'm not inspired today (I'm having a bad day) and there's at least two problems with these 3 new novelties I added.
-> They are useless to 60% layouts since they are R2.
-> I don't believe these icons are a good fit to the theme.
Feel free to give some ideas and suggestions.
Also, do you guys want the social media (/r/MK, GH and DT) keys?
(http://i.imgur.com/v5ubTgB.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/xtiZTMQ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/zLyWgn0.png)
Post by: Alex528 on Fri, 10 October 2014, 18:40:16
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 10 October 2014, 18:47:40
I'd like them if they weren't useless on a 60% :p
As a matter of fact I absolutely hate the ideas I just showed, it's a complete sh1t.
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 10 October 2014, 19:16:01
Problem solved?
(http://i.imgur.com/zl4nEDY.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/psgr5G3.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/J4GvjdD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/S2hphAN.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/H7ODc6k.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/locAODN.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/psgr5G3.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/J4GvjdD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/S2hphAN.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/H7ODc6k.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/locAODN.png)
Post by: abandoner on Fri, 10 October 2014, 22:51:11
Post by: lakin.wecker on Fri, 10 October 2014, 22:53:28
Post by: Moralless on Fri, 10 October 2014, 23:21:18
I'd like them if they weren't useless on a 60% :p
As a matter of fact I absolutely hate the ideas I just showed, it's a complete sh1t.
IMO I love the astronaut novelty, I think the helmet just needs to be a bit more oval than circle because currently, it reminds me more of this (http://www.petmart.co.nz/images/stock_bigimages/2520-1.jpg) rather than this (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120525114342-space-3-horizontal-gallery.jpg).
Post by: bianco on Sat, 11 October 2014, 00:49:14
another inspired set MiTo!
would you know if SA profiles are all smooth? or is it possible to have matte/textured surfaces?
i've been using the penumbra SA for quite some time and haven't really gotten used to the smooth texture
Hey Bianco, haven't see you in a while mate.
SA keys are produced on 3 different finishes:
-> Semi-matte top and sides (all sizes are available with this finish - PuLSE and Penumbra are SMTAS);
-> Matte top w/ semi matte sides (I don't understand what's the point of this);
-> Glossy (not all sizes are available on the glossy finish).
I really wanted to go glossy with Cospar. However, Melissa alerted me that not all sizes are available because there's very low demand for it. She said it looks antique and that not many people request such a finish. I was pretty upset because that's exactly what I was looking for but since they simply don't want make such keycaps available for us, what can I do?
Oh well.
Therefore, we're kinda stuck with SMTAS, like PuLSE and Penumbra.
thanks MiTo
good info. i wasn't aware that penumbra was semi-matte. there's no texture on it at all.
i suppose only the military themed one (forgot the name of the set run by jil) was the only matte SA
anyways, i'll definitely keep an eye on this
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 11 October 2014, 06:38:02
Problem solved?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zl4nEDY.png)
I love the extras you provided here, very sheek and suitable for anyone wanting some extra colour on their keyboard.
For me personally I'll stick with the rudimentary colour-way because I'm conservative that way.
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 11 October 2014, 12:23:10
Problem solved?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zl4nEDY.png)
I love the extras you provided here, very sheek and suitable for anyone wanting some extra colour on their keyboard.
For me personally I'll stick with the rudimentary colour-way because I'm conservative that way.
We will stick with these.
No astronaut or terminal this time.
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 11 October 2014, 12:32:38
Mito you are right.
You already thought of everything and it looks amazing so nobody needs to suggest anything lol.
That and Pulse is stealing some of the thunder. Personally I love this one way more than pulse and can't wait.
That's exactly what I thought, pretty much all the kits are included.
I'm expecting to gather more support in the next couple of weeks in order to succeed Cospar like we did with PuLSE.
I'd like them if they weren't useless on a 60% :p
I'm not considering they anymore, we'll stick to the green and orange COSPAR keys as extras!
This way, 60%ers will not be left behind.
thanks MiTo
good info. i wasn't aware that penumbra was semi-matte. there's no texture on it at all.
i suppose only the military themed one (forgot the name of the set run by jil) was the only matte SA
anyways, i'll definitely keep an eye on this
Commando, I suppose?
Stay tuned, and keep bringing your opinions because they're much apreciated.
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 11 October 2014, 12:40:31
Looking good. I actually like both of the last two Cospar ideas :thumb:
The second one is way better, it matches very nicely the initial concept.
I am really liking the colors and the ideas in this one. I will be interested to see the final results.
Stay tuned!
Bring suggestions if you've got any.
IMO I love the astronaut novelty, I think the helmet just needs to be a bit more oval than circle because currently, it reminds me more of this (http://www.petmart.co.nz/images/stock_bigimages/2520-1.jpg) rather than this (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120525114342-space-3-horizontal-gallery.jpg).
I see what you're talking about, problem is that since we're going 2-1-2-3-4-3 I can't match such novelties to fit TKL/100%s and 60%s.
We'll stick to the 1.25 colored COSPAR keycaps, what do you think?
Post by: DreaMagine on Sat, 11 October 2014, 16:47:41
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 11 October 2014, 17:19:24
I don't know if it has been said already in this thread but would it be possible to have an option without the custom key text? aka just plain old "enter", "alt", etc? I'm more interested in the colour scheme than the custom text on it.
It was requested before and I denied, because I'd be offering two completely keysets at the same time.
They would compete and fail together.
But I'm aware that people love this color scheme and that's why I'm designing Hoccard, and it's pretty much done.
It's something completely new, never done before.
Below, a teaser.
(http://i.imgur.com/h5Sgob5.png])
Post by: Alex528 on Sat, 11 October 2014, 17:20:02
Post by: lakin.wecker on Sat, 11 October 2014, 18:44:35
I will provide any suggestions if I think of any, but so far I haven't. The more I look at the latest suggestion, the more I like it.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 11 October 2014, 19:21:51
But I'm aware that people love this color scheme and that's why I'm designing Hoccard, and it's pretty much done.
It's something completely new, never done before.
Below, a teaser.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h5Sgob5.png])
MiTo you seem to operate like a stripper only revealing a tantalizing glimpse of something truly special. Please take it all off so we can see what's on offer.
Post by: Alex528 on Sat, 11 October 2014, 19:39:17
+1, as much as I would love to buy every set released I'm a broke student and I am trying to make sure I pick the best set, and I'm kind of digging that colour scheme.But I'm aware that people love this color scheme and that's why I'm designing Hoccard, and it's pretty much done.
It's something completely new, never done before.
Below, a teaser.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h5Sgob5.png])
MiTo you seem to operate like a stripper only revealing a tantalizing glimpse of something truly special. Please take it all off so we can see what's on offer.
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 11 October 2014, 22:05:46
+1, as much as I would love to buy every set released I'm a broke student and I am trying to make sure I pick the best set, and I'm kind of digging that colour scheme.But I'm aware that people love this color scheme and that's why I'm designing Hoccard, and it's pretty much done.
It's something completely new, never done before.
Below, a teaser.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h5Sgob5.png])
MiTo you seem to operate like a stripper only revealing a tantalizing glimpse of something truly special. Please take it all off so we can see what's on offer.
But I'm aware that people love this color scheme and that's why I'm designing Hoccard, and it's pretty much done.
It's something completely new, never done before.
Below, a teaser.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h5Sgob5.png])
MiTo you seem to operate like a stripper only revealing a tantalizing glimpse of something truly special. Please take it all off so we can see what's on offer.
Oh man, Hoccard looks great too.
I will provide any suggestions if I think of any, but so far I haven't. The more I look at the latest suggestion, the more I like it.
Hoccard is very special, it's something I'm trying to create since my days on the WASD layout editor.
Lord knows when I'm gonna deploy it, not anytime soon.
But you're going to love it.
I'm sure.
Post by: bianco on Sat, 11 October 2014, 22:31:13
MoreMito you are right.
You already thought of everything and it looks amazing so nobody needs to suggest anything lol.
That and Pulse is stealing some of the thunder. Personally I love this one way more than pulse and can't wait.
That's exactly what I thought, pretty much all the kits are included.
I'm expecting to gather more support in the next couple of weeks in order to succeed Cospar like we did with PuLSE.I'd like them if they weren't useless on a 60% :p
I'm not considering they anymore, we'll stick to the green and orange COSPAR keys as extras!
This way, 60%ers will not be left behind.thanks MiTo
good info. i wasn't aware that penumbra was semi-matte. there's no texture on it at all.
i suppose only the military themed one (forgot the name of the set run by jil) was the only matte SA
anyways, i'll definitely keep an eye on this
Commando, I suppose?
Stay tuned, and keep bringing your opinions because they're much apreciated.
yes! that's right. commando.
thanks MiTo.
Post by: Alex528 on Sat, 11 October 2014, 22:32:41
Sounds good, at least give me a few months to enjoy Cospar before I have to fork over more for this.+1, as much as I would love to buy every set released I'm a broke student and I am trying to make sure I pick the best set, and I'm kind of digging that colour scheme.But I'm aware that people love this color scheme and that's why I'm designing Hoccard, and it's pretty much done.
It's something completely new, never done before.
Below, a teaser.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h5Sgob5.png])
MiTo you seem to operate like a stripper only revealing a tantalizing glimpse of something truly special. Please take it all off so we can see what's on offer.But I'm aware that people love this color scheme and that's why I'm designing Hoccard, and it's pretty much done.
It's something completely new, never done before.
Below, a teaser.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h5Sgob5.png])
MiTo you seem to operate like a stripper only revealing a tantalizing glimpse of something truly special. Please take it all off so we can see what's on offer.Oh man, Hoccard looks great too.
I will provide any suggestions if I think of any, but so far I haven't. The more I look at the latest suggestion, the more I like it.
Hoccard is very special, it's something I'm trying to create since my days on the WASD layout editor.
Lord knows when I'm gonna deploy it, not anytime soon.
But you're going to love it.
I'm sure.
Post by: DreaMagine on Sun, 12 October 2014, 10:39:24
But I'm aware that people love this color scheme and that's why I'm designing Hoccard, and it's pretty much done.
It's something completely new, never done before.
Below, a teaser.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h5Sgob5.png])
Looks amazing :)
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 12 October 2014, 11:50:27
Sounds good, at least give me a few months to enjoy Cospar before I have to fork over more for this.
I will, I fell in love with SA and Cospar and Hoccard are a great fit to the profile.
Looks amazing :)
I'm glad you like it, but it will not be released anytime soon.
Let's focus on Cospar!
Post by: deci on Sun, 12 October 2014, 17:46:11
Would it be too much trouble to add non deep dish keys to Dvorak and Colemak for those of us who use custom layouts or who just prefer uniform keys?
So that would be adding a non deep dish row 3 U key for Dvoryke (since H is already in the base set) and non deep dish row 3 T and N keys to Colepar.
Alternatively you could just add the non deep dish row 3 U to Dvoryke and then if anyone wants the non deep dish T and N for their Colepar pack, they can just buy the Dvoryke pack as well.
edit: omg Hoccard... Mito why you do this to our wallets :p
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 12 October 2014, 18:58:09
Hey Mito
Would it be too much trouble to add non deep dish keys to Dvorak and Colemak for those of us who use custom layouts or who just prefer uniform keys?
So that would be adding a non deep dish row 3 U key for Dvoryke (since H is already in the base set) and non deep dish row 3 T and N keys to Colepar.
Alternatively you could just add the non deep dish row 3 U to Dvoryke and then if anyone wants the non deep dish T and N for their Colepar pack, they can just buy the Dvoryke pack as well.
edit: omg Hoccard... Mito why you do this to our wallets :p
Hey, thanks for the suggestion.
However, the non-deep dish keys you requested are already included in the Mission Set.
The Mission Set is obligatory to everyone that will eventually join the GB, because modifiers are not being sold separetely.
Dvoryke and Colepar are add-ons.
Post by: deci on Sun, 12 October 2014, 20:04:21
Hey Mito
Would it be too much trouble to add non deep dish keys to Dvorak and Colemak for those of us who use custom layouts or who just prefer uniform keys?
So that would be adding a non deep dish row 3 U key for Dvoryke (since H is already in the base set) and non deep dish row 3 T and N keys to Colepar.
Alternatively you could just add the non deep dish row 3 U to Dvoryke and then if anyone wants the non deep dish T and N for their Colepar pack, they can just buy the Dvoryke pack as well.
edit: omg Hoccard... Mito why you do this to our wallets :p
Hey, thanks for the suggestion.
However, the non-deep dish keys you requested are already included in the Mission Set.
The Mission Set is obligatory to everyone that will eventually join the GB, because modifiers are not being sold separetely.
Dvoryke and Colepar are add-ons.
Mission has row 2 u key.
I'm requesting a non deep dish row 3 (home row) u key. I think that's the only one missing.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 12 October 2014, 21:29:37
Hey Mito
Would it be too much trouble to add non deep dish keys to Dvorak and Colemak for those of us who use custom layouts or who just prefer uniform keys?
So that would be adding a non deep dish row 3 U key for Dvoryke (since H is already in the base set) and non deep dish row 3 T and N keys to Colepar.
Alternatively you could just add the non deep dish row 3 U to Dvoryke and then if anyone wants the non deep dish T and N for their Colepar pack, they can just buy the Dvoryke pack as well.
edit: omg Hoccard... Mito why you do this to our wallets :p
Hey, thanks for the suggestion.
However, the non-deep dish keys you requested are already included in the Mission Set.
The Mission Set is obligatory to everyone that will eventually join the GB, because modifiers are not being sold separetely.
Dvoryke and Colepar are add-ons.
Mission has row 2 u key.
I'm requesting a non deep dish row 3 (home row) u key. I think that's the only one missing.
A non deep dish 1u "U" key can be added to the Dvoryke.
Is it wrong or it's just a personal preference?
EDIT: Nevermind, I'm very stupid today. Now I see what you're talking about, I'll add flat keys to both Colepar and Dvoryke add-ons.
Post by: deci on Mon, 13 October 2014, 02:05:27
Post by: agbockus on Mon, 13 October 2014, 10:00:00
But I'm also sobbing because I'm studying abroad in Germany in December...I leave December 1st! :'(
I hope I can get access to buy this awesome set! :thumb:
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 10:26:43
Thanks Mito! ;D
Anytime mate.
This is beautiful! I got in on PuLSE but now I'm truly bleeding from my wallet because I want this so bad!
But I'm also sobbing because I'm studying abroad in Germany in December...I leave December 1st! :'(
I hope I can get access to buy this awesome set! :thumb:
That's awesome!
If you eventually join Cospar as well, Signature Plastics can definitely ship it to you on Germany.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 12:00:30
Post by: Alex528 on Mon, 13 October 2014, 12:09:53
I'm thinking about splitting the Modifiers and Alphas into two deals.How come?
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 12:18:34
How come?
Like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/hTP0Hg2.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/RkghOOH.png)
This way, Dvoryke and Colepar will stand a decent chance of tipping.
Opinions?
Post by: Alex528 on Mon, 13 October 2014, 12:40:47
It doesn't make a difference to me as a qwerty user, but it makes sense for sure.How come?
Like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/hTP0Hg2.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/RkghOOH.png)
This way, Dvoryke and Colepar will stand a decent chance of tipping.
Opinions?
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 12:47:13
It doesn't make a difference to me as a qwerty user, but it makes sense for sure.
I believe it will bring down the costs, maybe.
I'm waiting Melissa to answer my email regarding this idea.
Post by: deci on Mon, 13 October 2014, 12:55:47
It makes sense, although would MOQ be higher if they are full alpha sets instead of smaller add-ons?
Personally I like them as add-ons as I plan to buy all the sets anyway, but I can understand the logic.
I think Colepar should be easy to tip as it's smaller and Colemak is very popular these days... I'm only worried about Dvoryke.
On the other hand, I don't think I've ever seen a sculpted layout for dvorak users ever so maybe it will sell well.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 13:03:51
Are you planning to make Colepar and Dvoryke full alpha sets then?
It makes sense, although would MOQ be higher if they are full alpha sets instead of smaller add-ons?
I'm thinking about 25 MOQ, with both Colepar and Dvoryke as full Alphas.
But we'll most likely stick to the cheapest option.
Post by: Alex528 on Mon, 13 October 2014, 13:06:03
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 13:12:38
What exactly does Colepar mean?
Colepar doesn't actually mean anything, it's just a combination between Colemak and Cospar.
But Dvoryke (Dvorak) is a tribute to a friend, user /u/Dvoryke creator of the Lunar Keyset.
I decided to name the Dvorak package after him because PuLSE was the result of a personal designing competition between us. I was pretty pissed off when he released Lunar om /r/MK because it's first version was looking very similar to Olimitto. So similar that my subconscious took it as it was stolen. That night, I sat my but on my desk and decided I wouldn't leave until I had something amazing done. Dvo was clearly shook, as he suggested that PuLSE was a HUE modified version of Midnight.
It was a long damn night.
August 12th, 2014.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:12:03
I support this dude K3 (I didn't buy anything from him, actually) and I hope he comes up with his own designs soon because he has the tooling and logistics to make something decent and available to the masses.
If you want to boycott Cospar, go ahead.
Boycotted. If you (or anyone) supports this douchebag k3kc, I will never buy anything you design or sell.
Everyone should join with me in boycotting this group buy.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:19:24
Everyone should join with me in boycotting this group buy.
You really want to drama this thread like you and a few others did with PuLSE?
I mean, it was great marketing.
Go ahead if you want.
Also, for all of you wondering why JD said this, it's because I suggested this vietnamese dude K3 (and other makers like HotKeys), that counterfeited a copyrighted design from CF, to make colored novelties matching PuLSE, just because he has the tooling and logistics to do so.
But let's talk about Cospar, that's what actually matters.
Post by: Alex528 on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:29:18
OH MY GOD CAN YOU PLEASE GET HIM TO MAKE A YELLOW NOVELTY TO GO ALONG WITH COSPAR PLEASE BASED MITO
Everyone should join with me in boycotting this group buy.
You really want to drama this thread like you and a few others did with PuLSE?
I mean, it was great marketing.
Go ahead if you want.
Also, for all of you wondering why JD said this, it's because I suggested this vietnamese dude K3 (and other makers like HotKeys), that counterfeited a copyrighted design from CF, to make colored novelties matching PuLSE, just because he has the tooling and logistics to do so.
But let's talk about Cospar, that's what actually matters.
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:30:56
OH MY GOD CAN YOU PLEASE GET HIM TO MAKE A YELLOW NOVELTY TO GO ALONG WITH COSPAR PLEASE BASED MITO
Everyone should join with me in boycotting this group buy.
You really want to drama this thread like you and a few others did with PuLSE?
I mean, it was great marketing.
Go ahead if you want.
Also, for all of you wondering why JD said this, it's because I suggested this vietnamese dude K3 (and other makers like HotKeys), that counterfeited a copyrighted design from CF, to make colored novelties matching PuLSE, just because he has the tooling and logistics to do so.
But let's talk about Cospar, that's what actually matters.
And that's exactly why boycots and this bull**** copycat crap doesn't matter, there's always someone that wants what they want.
Post by: Alex528 on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:37:33
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:40:25
People need to get off their high horses. Somebody wants to copy a product in huge demand with very small supply. I think that they are helping out people like me who want the designs but don't want to spend stupid amounts of money on them. Sue me.
I'm sorry you don't understand. I feel bad for you, and those like you.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:41:52
Everyone should join with me in boycotting this group buy.
You really want to drama this thread like you and a few others did with PuLSE?
I mean, it was great marketing.
Go ahead if you want.
Also, for all of you wondering why JD said this, it's because I suggested this vietnamese dude K3 (and other makers like HotKeys), that counterfeited a copyrighted design from CF, to make colored novelties matching PuLSE, just because he has the tooling and logistics to do so.
But let's talk about Cospar, that's what actually matters.
Also, boycotting because this set is ugly and not worth buying. That's talk about Cospar.
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:44:30
Everyone should join with me in boycotting this group buy.
You really want to drama this thread like you and a few others did with PuLSE?
I mean, it was great marketing.
Go ahead if you want.
Also, for all of you wondering why JD said this, it's because I suggested this vietnamese dude K3 (and other makers like HotKeys), that counterfeited a copyrighted design from CF, to make colored novelties matching PuLSE, just because he has the tooling and logistics to do so.
But let's talk about Cospar, that's what actually matters.
you shouldnt be so defensive, the only reason pulse did well at all is because we gave you a little exposure, and jd basically nursed you in to having a usable gb which you so happily took the credit for, it wouldnt surprise me if you saw this was a total failure, and jumped on a little controversy to try and make lightning strike in the same place twice
Post by: BunnyLake on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:44:52
Everyone should join with me in boycotting this group buy.
You really want to drama this thread like you and a few others did with PuLSE?
I mean, it was great marketing.
Go ahead if you want.
Also, for all of you wondering why JD said this, it's because I suggested this vietnamese dude K3 (and other makers like HotKeys), that counterfeited a copyrighted design from CF, to make colored novelties matching PuLSE, just because he has the tooling and logistics to do so.
But let's talk about Cospar, that's what actually matters.
Also, boycotting because this set is ugly and not worth buying. That's talk about Cospar.
ditto
Post by: esoomenona on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:46:20
Post by: Alex528 on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:48:14
I'm a poor high school student, have mercy ;-;People need to get off their high horses. Somebody wants to copy a product in huge demand with very small supply. I think that they are helping out people like me who want the designs but don't want to spend stupid amounts of money on them. Sue me.
"All that matters is me and what I can get for the price I wish to pay, so get off your high horse."
If I had an excess of money I'm sure my opinion would be different.
Post by: demik on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:50:16
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:53:45
Hoffman, could you please?
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:55:51
I'm a poor high school student, have mercy ;-;People need to get off their high horses. Somebody wants to copy a product in huge demand with very small supply. I think that they are helping out people like me who want the designs but don't want to spend stupid amounts of money on them. Sue me.
"All that matters is me and what I can get for the price I wish to pay, so get off your high horse."
If I had an excess of money I'm sure my opinion would be different.
The correct answer is "It's too hard to get a horse off when it's high"
Post by: Alex528 on Mon, 13 October 2014, 14:57:14
I, uh..... I guess that makes sense.I'm a poor high school student, have mercy ;-;People need to get off their high horses. Somebody wants to copy a product in huge demand with very small supply. I think that they are helping out people like me who want the designs but don't want to spend stupid amounts of money on them. Sue me.
"All that matters is me and what I can get for the price I wish to pay, so get off your high horse."
If I had an excess of money I'm sure my opinion would be different.
The correct answer is "It's too hard to get a horse off when it's high"
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 13 October 2014, 15:07:05
Here we go again.
Hoffman, could you please?
no, he's too busy with important things to waste his time with unimportant things like bad looking keyset interest checks or to be your nursemaid.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 13 October 2014, 15:08:07
Hoffman, could you please?
I am not doing any favours here... however, in acting as a moderator, I feel it is appropriate to re-post this message here:
Alright guys, I think the point has been made here. I have no issues with the content of the recent posts in this thread (sharing information and alerting people is good), but ultimately this thread should remain as a place for updates pertaining to the GB. Please keep all information related to fake keycaps to their designated threads, from here on out.
My personal opinions fall extremely close (read: occupying the same space) to the others expressed here, minus the comments on Cospar itself (I haven't actually looked at it yet). But that's neither here nor there.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 15:21:07
Hoffman, could you please?
I am not doing any favours here... however, in acting as a moderator, I feel it is appropriate to re-post this message here:Alright guys, I think the point has been made here. I have no issues with the content of the recent posts in this thread (sharing information and alerting people is good), but ultimately this thread should remain as a place for updates pertaining to the GB. Please keep all information related to fake keycaps to their designated threads, from here on out.
My personal opinions fall extremely close (read: occupying the same space) to the others expressed here, minus the comments on Cospar itself (I haven't actually looked at it yet). But that's neither here nor there.
Thank you, Hoffman.
For all of you that decided to suddenly attack Cospar's design without a decent reason, that's actually a very easy way to solve that.
It's called Delay + F4.
But if you don't like the design and have good ideas or suggestions, in order to improve it, this space is wide open to you, as you already know.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 16:04:27
Alphas 25 - $35
Colepar 10 - $ ? (Needs redesign to cover all of the Alphas, not sure about the prices yet.)
Dvoryke 10 - $ ? (Same above.)
Modifiers 50 - $57
And the rest would be priced at the same as it is right now.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 22:41:15
Because:
1) I don't make a single dollar with keycaps like some of you do (flamers that invaded this thread) and because of that I've got nothing to lose;
2) You're boycotting Cospar for nothing. It didn't do anything to deserve a boycott. It's simply a cute SA keyset designed by me;
3) You want to boycott my desings because I said that I would support K3 with his eventually new original designs (nothing wrong with this) and because you hate me;
4) A lot of people like Cospar and you guys are boycotting it because you want me to quit.
5) You want me to quit because PuLSE hurt profits and that's bad to you (it was $60, while SA's go for $80+ so you can profit i.e. Ctrl.Alts Penumbra);
6) There's nothing wrong with you profiting. Just design something good enough to beat me;
7) I will not quit and I won't stop making designs and offering people good and less expensive stuff via PMK. Cospar isn't my last project (even if it fails);
8 ) I'm not afraid of you that hate me, for whatever reason. Some of you stalk me everywhere and search pretty much 24/7 for a mistake of mine here or on /r/MK to expose me to the community so people can flame (example below). And yes, I'm talking to you nubbinator (I will PM you soon, you've got a lot to read m8) and a feel others.
9) For all of you that came here and said that Cospar looks sh1t and nothing else, I'm very glad you're gone. You just came here to flame. Stay wherever you are.
(http://i.imgur.com/PPJzLPX.png)
I'm sorry if you didn't need to read this.
Really sorry, but I needed to make this clear for some people.
Cospar is doing great on PMK and this Groub Buy will launch on the first week of December, 2014, like it or not.
Tomorrow I will bring more updates, regarding prices.
I've got to redesign the Dvorak and Colemak kits in order to make them easier to tip, for you.
Post by: HipsterPunks on Mon, 13 October 2014, 22:44:00
#boycotted
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 22:49:30
I have been really looking forward to a SA set after finding some in my crap bag and enjoying the profile. However
#boycotted
Why are you boycotting Cospar?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 13 October 2014, 22:49:48
Just go peddle your BS at reddit. We don't want you here, either.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 22:56:32
Blah, blah, blah. Crap keycap set is crap. Hope no one buys it.
Just go peddle your BS at reddit. We don't want you here, either.
Cross your fingers really tight, then.
Or maybe not too tight, as you need'em to code you a decent website.
"We don't want you here, either."
Who do you think you are? Do you think yourself is capable of representing this entire community on your own?
House yourself in your insignificance, little jerk.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:07:42
Blah, blah, blah. Crap keycap set is crap. Hope no one buys it.
Just go peddle your BS at reddit. We don't want you here, either.
Cross your fingers really tight, then.
Or maybe not too tight, as you need'em to code you a decent website.
"We don't want you here, either."
Who do you think you are? Do you think yourself is capable of representing this entire community on your own?
House yourself in your insignificance, little jerk.
Cool story, bro.
Post by: limitz on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:09:34
Blah, blah, blah. Crap keycap set is crap. Hope no one buys it.
Just go peddle your BS at reddit. We don't want you here, either.
Cross your fingers really tight, then.
Or maybe not too tight, as you need'em to code you a decent website.
"We don't want you here, either."
Who do you think you are? Do you think yourself is capable of representing this entire community on your own?
House yourself in your insignificance, little jerk.
Cool story, bro.
Wow you're obnoxious. Your line "we don't want you here either" is so childish and immature.
Grow up. Either physically, mentally, or both.
At the end of the day, the set will succeed (or fail) regardless of the opinions of a select few. Some people here certainly think they're more influential than they actually are.
Case in point: Decked Out. Saw so many people here, especially from CtrlAlt, whine and complain, even going as far as snitching on the creator to Github. Completely flooding the PMK GB thread with inane comments. However, at the end of the day, every single kit tipped, and the set itself did better than Midnight.
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:12:39
8 ) I'm not afraid of you that hate me, for whatever reason. Some of you stalk me everywhere and search pretty much 24/7 for a mistake of mine here or on /r/MK to expose me to the community so people can flame (example below). And yes, I'm talking to you nubbinator (I will PM you soon, you've got a lot to read m8) and a feel others.
I don't stalk you. Far from it in fact. You're nowhere near that important to me and I wouldn't waste my time on you doing that, not when I have better things to do with my life.
I saw the thread in question because of the counterfeit Bro thread posted in off topic and saw HendyZone's screenshot of Reddit. I went to see what the drama was, saw your comment, and called out the one person I recognized on here. All the other Geekhackers I recognized the names of were speaking out against the counterfeiter. If anyone else I knew was a member here supported the counterfeiter, I would have publicly shamed them as well. I just find it despicable to try to use GH to promote yourself and your stuff (regardless of whether you make money off of it or not) while saying that you don't care about the IP of established members here. Part of community is supporting the community and the members of it.
Feel free to PM me whatever, I'll ignore it. In any case, I'm done here and won't be posting any more in your thread.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:12:47
Cool story, bro.
Don't you open your mouth on my threads anymore, you can't communicate in a constructive way. Everything you said here is irrelevant, flamer.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:14:01
Blah, blah, blah. Crap keycap set is crap. Hope no one buys it.
Just go peddle your BS at reddit. We don't want you here, either.
Cross your fingers really tight, then.
Or maybe not too tight, as you need'em to code you a decent website.
"We don't want you here, either."
Who do you think you are? Do you think yourself is capable of representing this entire community on your own?
House yourself in your insignificance, little jerk.
Cool story, bro.
Jesus you're obnoxious. Your line "we don't want you here either" is so childish and immature.
Grow up. Either physically, mentally, or both.
LMAO. Aww, did I hurt your feelings by being rude to your friend? Well, you're free to join him in going back to reddit. Then you won't have to be exposed to such "childish" behavior.
Post by: limitz on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:16:28
Blah, blah, blah. Crap keycap set is crap. Hope no one buys it.
Just go peddle your BS at reddit. We don't want you here, either.
Cross your fingers really tight, then.
Or maybe not too tight, as you need'em to code you a decent website.
"We don't want you here, either."
Who do you think you are? Do you think yourself is capable of representing this entire community on your own?
House yourself in your insignificance, little jerk.
Cool story, bro.
Jesus you're obnoxious. Your line "we don't want you here either" is so childish and immature.
Grow up. Either physically, mentally, or both.
LMAO. Aww, did I hurt your feelings by being rude to your friend? Well, you're free to join him in going back to reddit. Then you won't have to be exposed to such "childish" behavior.
I don't even know the guy. I just think you're acting like a child. He's right, you don't represent everyone on GH, and saying "we don't want you here" is elementary playground bull****.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:16:49
I don't stalk you. Far from it in fact. You're nowhere near that important to me and I wouldn't waste my time on you doing that, not when I have better things to do with my life.
I saw the thread in question because of the counterfeit Bro thread posted in off topic and saw HendyZone's screenshot of Reddit. I went to see what the drama was, saw your comment, and called out the one person I recognized on here. All the other Geekhackers I recognized the names of were speaking out against the counterfeiter. If anyone else I knew was a member here supported the counterfeiter, I would have publicly shamed them as well. I just find it despicable to try to use GH to promote yourself and your stuff (regardless of whether you make money off of it or not) while saying that you don't care about the IP of established members here. Part of community is supporting the community and the members of it.
Feel free to PM me whatever, I'll ignore it. In any case, I'm done here and won't be posting any more in your thread.
Get out.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:21:50
I don't even know the guy. I just think you're acting like a child. He's right, you don't represent everyone on GH, and saying "we don't want you here" is elementary playground bull****.
Oh, wow. You're so right. I can't believe I posted that. Because so many people have come out in supporting MiTo and his behavior. I was totally wrong that GH members don't want him around if he behaves as he is. Supporting counterfeiting and acting with disrespect to other members in these threads.
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:25:04
I don't stalk you. Far from it in fact. You're nowhere near that important to me and I wouldn't waste my time on you doing that, not when I have better things to do with my life.
I saw the thread in question because of the counterfeit Bro thread posted in off topic and saw HendyZone's screenshot of Reddit. I went to see what the drama was, saw your comment, and called out the one person I recognized on here. All the other Geekhackers I recognized the names of were speaking out against the counterfeiter. If anyone else I knew was a member here supported the counterfeiter, I would have publicly shamed them as well. I just find it despicable to try to use GH to promote yourself and your stuff (regardless of whether you make money off of it or not) while saying that you don't care about the IP of established members here. Part of community is supporting the community and the members of it.
Feel free to PM me whatever, I'll ignore it. In any case, I'm done here and won't be posting any more in your thread.
Get out.
Top kek.
Like you have even half as much relevance as the people telling you to do the same.
Your set looks bad, your last set wasn't some second rendition of the mona lisa that you seem deluded enough to think it is (it's seriously not hard to get a black/blue colorway to tip ever) and this egotism to boot. Back to not existing to me you go.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:26:03
Oh, wow. You're so right. I can't believe I posted that. Because so many people have come out in supporting MiTo and his behavior. I was totally wrong that GH members don't want him around if he behaves as he is. Supporting counterfeiting and acting with disrespect to other members in these threads.
Disrespect me and I disrespect you.
Now shut the hell up and quit the thread like your other buddies already did.
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:27:47
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:28:29
Damn I just read this thread and it's hilarious. The last like 30 comments need to just be nuked. All I will say is that the community is diverse and has different interests. If you like Mitos designs then buy his stuff, and if you don't, don't buy it and don't say a word. We don't need personal attacks here or having anyone get defensive.
Listen to this man.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:30:02
Oh, wow. You're so right. I can't believe I posted that. Because so many people have come out in supporting MiTo and his behavior. I was totally wrong that GH members don't want him around if he behaves as he is. Supporting counterfeiting and acting with disrespect to other members in these threads.
Disrespect me and I disrespect you.
Now shut the hell up and quit the thread like your other buddies already did.
If you haven't figured it out yet, you are the one instigating the hostile posts. Maybe if you would think before you post for once, you might avoid sounding like a douchebag. Trying to defend yourself with circular arguments about posts you wrote at reddit, and which are there for all to see, only makes you more reviled.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:34:04
If you haven't figured it out yet, you are the one instigating the hostile posts. Maybe if you would think before you post for once, you might avoid sounding like a douchebag. Trying to defend yourself with circular arguments about posts you wrote at reddit, and which are there for all to see, only makes you more reviled.
Dude are you blind? I already told you that I'm done with you.
I'm not asking for your advice or opinion, just do me a favor and quit this thread.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:37:48
I'm not asking for your advice or opinion, just do me a favor and quit this thread.
I'm not doing you any favors anymore. I helped you with the PuLSE keyset, and I now regret to have done so, after seeing your true colors.
This discussion is relevant, because people need to be aware of the type of person they are entrusting to lead their group buy.
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:39:00
Coming from a neutral standpoint and being newish to the community, I honestly feel both sides (mito + recent r/mk migrators and the long time GH leaders) are in the wrong. This is a childish argument and should stop now. I sympathize with the existing community and that there has been a huge influx of new users who don't understand the history of GH, and I'm sure that is very frustrating especially with new competition. But at the same time Mito is a new comer who has a passion for mechanical keyboards and keysets just like the rest of us, and he just like the rest of the group buy leaders needs to get started somewhere. Also mito you should change your avatar, it is childish and if you have ever dealt with BunnyLake you would know he is really one of the most upstanding members of this community.Oh, wow. You're so right. I can't believe I posted that. Because so many people have come out in supporting MiTo and his behavior. I was totally wrong that GH members don't want him around if he behaves as he is. Supporting counterfeiting and acting with disrespect to other members in these threads.
Disrespect me and I disrespect you.
Now shut the hell up and quit the thread like your other buddies already did.
If you haven't figured it out yet, you are the one instigating the hostile posts. Maybe if you would think before you post for once, you might avoid sounding like a douchebag. Trying to defend yourself with circular arguments about posts you wrote at reddit, and which are there for all to see, only makes you more reviled.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:47:38
This discussion is relevant, because people need to be aware of the type of person they are entrusting to lead their group buy.
WHOAH, CALM DOWN EVERYBODY.
We need Gandhi himself to "lead" a group buy nowadays (read submit a drawing to PMK).
Let's bring this huge leader of the human kind to GH so we can have a keyset going on, and we shall all succeed with pride of our great leader.
Post by: bueller on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:49:53
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 13 October 2014, 23:51:15
Coming from a neutral standpoint and being newish to the community, I honestly feel both sides (mito + recent r/mk migrators and the long time GH leaders) are in the wrong. This is a childish argument and should stop now. I sympathize with the existing community and that there has been a huge influx of new users who don't understand the history of GH, and I'm sure that is very frustrating especially with new competition. But at the same time Mito is a new comer who has a passion for mechanical keyboards and keysets just like the rest of us, and he just like the rest of the group buy leaders needs to get started somewhere. Also mito you should change your avatar, it is childish and if you have ever dealt with BunnyLake you would know he is really one of the most upstanding members of this community.
Bunny did this avatar on the other thread and suggested that I should use it. Because he's an outstanding member of this community, I couldn't deny such a personal request.
However, because you are far more relevant to me than he is, I'll change my avatar right now, as you suggested.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 14 October 2014, 00:02:51
REDDIT lovers can go suck their own arses, in fact go back to their respective website and be happy in complaining about GH forever on, because we here don't care one bit on anything they have to whinge about :)) .
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 00:11:21
The party is over.
I will not answer to flamers or trolls anymore. Their only point here is to derail this Group Buy by making me look unreliable.
They are failling hard, because my previous project succeeded very well thanks to the nice GH members, /r/MK, DT and of course Signature Plastics.
We'll do the same with Cospar, as I'm taking care of every single detail you can imagine about this keyset.
Everything so you can have something nice on your desk, in a couple of months.
PuLSE was first presented on August 15th and it's being manufactured as we speak. By the end of November, shipping will conclude. It was 60% the price of a regular SA keyset. It took 4 months for it to go from a rough sketch on my LCD to one of the most incredible SA keysets ever seen, on people's desk.
Other keysets were presented almost one year ago and their shipping is still running - can you believe it?!
Believe me, you can trust me and PMK. Let's talk about Cospar.
Post by: slickmamba on Tue, 14 October 2014, 01:54:24
The party is over.
I will not answer to flamers or trolls anymore. Their only point here is to derail this Group Buy by making me look unreliable.
They are failling hard, because my previous project succeeded very well thanks to the nice GH members, /r/MK, DT and of course Signature Plastics.
We'll do the same with Cospar, as I'm taking care of every single detail you can imagine about this keyset.
Everything so you can have something nice on your desk, in a couple of months.
PuLSE was first presented on August 15th and it's being manufactured as we speak. By the end of November, shipping will conclude. It was 60% the price of a regular SA keyset. It took 4 months for it to go from a rough sketch on my LCD to one of the most incredible SA keysets ever seen, on people's desk.
Other keysets were presented almost one year ago and their shipping is still running - can you believe it?!
Believe me, you can trust me and PMK. Let's talk about Cospar.
I don't think anyone is trying to make you look unreliable. Hypocritical, yes. You can't run a job or business and expect your public statements to not affect your customers or support. Imagine if a large company(say Google, Apple, etc) came out and said something like they think slave labor is a good thing as long as it gets customers cheaper stuff. Not a great example, but I have **** to do and not much time.
Obviously there is going to be a difference between reddit and here. Reddit is a collection of mediocrity on almost all fronts. Which isn't a bad thing necessarily since it gets many people exposed to the subject, but it also means that people are usually a bit uninformed and are usually beginners. Forums tend to have a higher level of dedication, support and information, but it means that they have a strong culture that people may not understand from the outside and hold strong views.
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 14 October 2014, 02:24:49
You've got to be careful here on Geekhack if anyone defames REDDIT. Hence you are now targeted by those same scumbags 8) .
REDDIT lovers can go suck their own arses, in fact go back to their respective website and be happy in complaining about GH forever on, because we here don't care one bit on anything they have to whinge about :)) .
Reddit isn't the one competing with GH it is the r/mechanicalkeyboard subreddit specifically. Just to clear that up.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 14 October 2014, 04:04:38
Reddit isn't the one competing with GH it is the r/mechanicalkeyboard subreddit specifically. Just to clear that up.
Never been to Reddit hence I only hear from the negative responses from current Geekhackers who sometimes frequent that site. Suppose I let loose my own ignorance here painting every Reddit user with the same brush.
Only ever drop by here on Geekhack when I've got spare time to waste hence my understanding of every aspect and subject that is affecting people here is somewhat lacking. Also understand that MiTo isn't some jerk here to cause problems for anyone instead he's probably a young person (my guess only) who didn't understand that voicing any type of opinion here on Geekhack could back fire and cause problems.
Hence a little forgiveness can go a long way instead of being another place to lynch and burn someone because of a mistake or subject matter being voiced (have no idea what the issues are but I'm sure it's not life threatening or nasty in any way). Of course I'm not ever running any type of Group Buy where the lynchers with pitchforks can hunt me down or threaten me in any way (not that I would personally care in real life) but MiTO is most probably a young person who regrets what he might of said and deserves some forgiveness.
When you're young you always say some regrettable things, just like the abusers here who have had time to think about their own over the top responses. Hence everyone cool down this shouldn't be a place to burn people because of what was said elsewhere. Don't let Geekhack degenerate into something out of Reddit's keyboard division then we can no longer pretend to be a BETTER place then any other nasty forum out there on the web.
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 14 October 2014, 06:35:29
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 07:31:43
I don't think anyone is trying to make you look unreliable. Hypocritical, yes. You can't run a job or business and expect your public statements to not affect your customers or support. Imagine if a large company(say Google, Apple, etc) came out and said something like they think slave labor is a good thing as long as it gets customers cheaper stuff. Not a great example, but I have **** to do and not much time.
I see what you're talking about, but I shouldn't behave like a company, since I'm not one. I'm a single individual with unpolished ideas that have potential to become very good, with your help.
Also, I agree that Reddit can be a little too noisy sometimes and that forums are completely different. Visions were too strong here for me to change them, and I'm taking about K3. Well, turns out that he's also a silly bastard, as it seems, so I don't really know if I should spend more time talking about him.
Probably not, but that's not my focus as currently, I'm working on improving the idea suggested in this thread, nothing else.
And that's what I'll keep doing.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 07:37:50
Reddit isn't the one competing with GH it is the r/mechanicalkeyboard subreddit specifically. Just to clear that up.
Never been to Reddit hence I only hear from the negative responses from current Geekhackers who sometimes frequent that site. Suppose I let loose my own ignorance here painting every Reddit user with the same brush.
Only ever drop by here on Geekhack when I've got spare time to waste hence my understanding of every aspect and subject that is affecting people here is somewhat lacking. Also understand that MiTo isn't some jerk here to cause problems for anyone instead he's probably a young person (my guess only) who didn't understand that voicing any type of opinion here on Geekhack could back fire and cause problems.
Hence a little forgiveness can go a long way instead of being another place to lynch and burn someone because of a mistake or subject matter being voiced (have no idea what the issues are but I'm sure it's not life threatening or nasty in any way). Of course I'm not ever running any type of Group Buy where the lynchers with pitchforks can hunt me down or threaten me in any way (not that I would personally care in real life) but MiTO is most probably a young person who regrets what he might of said and deserves some forgiveness.
When you're young you always say some regrettable things, just like the abusers here who have had time to think about their own over the top responses. Hence everyone cool down this shouldn't be a place to burn people because of what was said elsewhere. Don't let Geekhack degenerate into something out of Reddit's keyboard division then we can no longer pretend to be a BETTER place then any other nasty forum out there on the web.
The hunt is over, I suppose, they will eventually show up and troll/flame a little bit. But since they're doing this for the second time straight, now I know how to handle the situation. Turns out that the amazing member of this community are keeping me motivated to continue to deploy efforts and deliver you nice stuff, real quick.
/r/MK is a nice place, with friendly members and good content, just like GeekHack. There are differences of course, but both places are very good to share out appreciation for mechanical keyboards.
And as long as it stay that way, I'll be a part of both communities, as an enthusiast and content creator.
Post by: henz on Tue, 14 October 2014, 07:42:22
Damn I just read this thread and it's hilarious. The last like 30 comments need to just be nuked. All I will say is that the community is diverse and has different interests. If you like Mitos designs then buy his stuff, and if you don't, don't buy it and don't say a word. We don't need personal attacks here or having anyone get defensive.
Melrose geekhack >_<
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 14 October 2014, 08:08:50
im just gonna draw a line in the sand here
anyone seen to be supporting/buying anything mito does from now, is banned from ctrlalt, that means banned from the store, giveaways, gbs and bro caps sales
you can say im being petty, but i dont want to deal with anyone who is either gullible enough to fall for this guys bull****, or complacent enough to deal with him anyway
if you wanna get an idea for who the person you are dealing with or defending is, just flick through his posts, every post will be one of 2 things, either him being a **** to people, or him blowing himself
if you wanna support the guy that made pulse a success, follow jd, if you want cospar, leave raindrop out in the sun for a few hours
Post by: margo baggins on Tue, 14 October 2014, 08:26:34
Though it's fun to watch people getting all big for their boots as they have run a group buy (through pmk) and they've got some sales (<100).
FWIW - /r/MK is not a nice place.
Post by: henz on Tue, 14 October 2014, 08:35:00
Post by: strict on Tue, 14 October 2014, 09:16:40
We don't want you or your "designs" here. Supporting cloners and ****ting on two members (jd and bunny) who regularly contribute more to this community in a single day than you could ever hope to in a lifetime is inexcusable. We could replace your "contributions" to this community with an algorithm that randomly chooses colors and profiles. Take you're totally unique and super original ideas and go peddle them to cesspool user base on /r/mk.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 14 October 2014, 09:25:16
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 09:54:24
I think Colepar should be easy to tip as it's smaller and Colemak is very popular these days... I'm only worried about Dvoryke.
On the other hand, I don't think I've ever seen a sculpted layout for dvorak users ever so maybe it will sell well.
Agreed, setting the MOQ to 10 will make both Colepar and Dvoryke easier to tip. The price of both add-ons will increase by some margin, but I don't believe it's enough to hurt the sales.
Of course, since it doesn't seem to exist any sculptured Dvorak layouts out there, the one featured on Cospar should work well. However, as I mentioned before, both kits will need a redesign in order to completely cover the Alphas cluster.
Also, since now we'll have separate modifiers from Alphas, Dvorak and Colemak users should join the modifiers child deal, together with the QWERTYers out there.
That means savings to everybody, since we all need the same modifiers.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 10:22:51
And I had an idea last night when I was revising some details, forgot to mention it.
I'll request PMK to add a key-cap puller child deal so that all of you that don't have nice key-pullers already, can grab a few.
I'm not sure if that's possible, because I don't know if PMK manufacture and sell keycap pullers anymore, or if they ever did. I'll contact Matt3o (since he did this with Granite) in order to see what's about it.
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 14 October 2014, 10:40:01
so you piece of ****, you wanna run around the internet calling me bumlake, thats fine, we can play this game if you like
im just gonna draw a line in the sand here
anyone seen to be supporting/buying anything mito does from now, is banned from ctrlalt, that means banned from the store, giveaways, gbs and bro caps sales
you can say im being petty, but i dont want to deal with anyone who is either gullible enough to fall for this guys bull****, or complacent enough to deal with him anyway
if you wanna get an idea for who the person you are dealing with or defending is, just flick through his posts, every post will be one of 2 things, either him being a **** to people, or him blowing himself
if you wanna support the guy that made pulse a success, follow jd, if you want cospar, leave raindrop out in the sun for a few hours
Wonder how Elrick is going to cope since seems to support these SA keysets from MiTo with a fervor.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 11:03:45
Wonder how Elrick is going to cope since seems to support these SA keysets from MiTo with a fervor.
Elrick doesn't support my SA designs. Elrick supports good SA designs. My design getting his attention is just a consequence, of a deep thinked combination of colors, legends, icons, texture and profile - as always.
Elrick and every other supporter will be just fine. After all, this is the Internet.
People can't ban anyone from anywhere.
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 14 October 2014, 11:13:27
Wonder how Elrick is going to cope since seems to support these SA keysets from MiTo with a fervor.
Elrick doesn't support my SA designs. Elrick supports good SA designs. My design getting his attention is just a consequence, of a deep thinked combination of colors, legends, icons, texture and profile - as always.
Elrick and every other supporter will be just fine. After all, this is the Internet.
People can't ban anyone from anywhere.
oh how wrong you are on that one
i can and will ban anyone associated with you in any way, they will be IP banned on ctrlalt, and added to my ignore list here among other measures we have in place
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 11:33:05
It will be here in a couple of weeks, so we don't have those problems with color accuracy we had with PuLSE. You know, the blue barbecue.
Since I don't have any plans on working with PBT anytime soon, the ABS one with the color samples is going to work fine.
Post by: BunnyLake on Tue, 14 October 2014, 16:44:00
mito, you are the scum of the ****ing earth, keep running around the net posting **** about me, see how it goes for you
to everyone else, no i do not intend to track everyone down who buys the set, but i will be watching any thread mito starts, and anyone who posts anything in it showing any signs of interest and support, will be banned from ctrl alt
see this post
so you piece of ****, you wanna run around the internet calling me bumlake, thats fine, we can play this game if you like
im just gonna draw a line in the sand here
anyone seen to be supporting/buying anything mito does from now, is banned from ctrlalt, that means banned from the store, giveaways, gbs and bro caps sales
you can say im being petty, but i dont want to deal with anyone who is either gullible enough to fall for this guys bull****, or complacent enough to deal with him anyway
if you wanna get an idea for who the person you are dealing with or defending is, just flick through his posts, every post will be one of 2 things, either him being a **** to people, or him blowing himself
if you wanna support the guy that made pulse a success, follow jd, if you want cospar, leave raindrop out in the sun for a few hours
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 17:08:50
It will be the same featured on their keycap store:
(http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/images/Products/KeycapPuller-4.jpg)
I spoke to PMK and she (Melissa) confirmed that they can totally include the pullers on the group buy for only $1.50 each.
Post by: Moralless on Tue, 14 October 2014, 17:23:26
As I mentioned later on, the keypuller child deal is going to be included on Cospar's group buy.
It will be the same featured on their keycap store:Show Image(http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/images/Products/KeycapPuller-4.jpg)
I spoke to PMK and she (Melissa) confirmed that they can totally include the pullers on the group buy for only $1.50 each.
Those keycap pullers are cheap and horrible to work with. But I'm not surprised you'd want something like that in your group buys.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 14 October 2014, 17:24:02
Alright, I'm going to give a final reminder to take off-topic posts elsewhere. I know we all have strong feelings towards this situation, but this IC is not the place. The word is out for anyone considering joining this, and that's all that needs to be done in this thread. Please take any further discussion to their relevant threads or to PMs.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 17:29:22
Those keycap pullers are cheap and horrible to work with. But I'm not surprised you'd want something like that in your group buys.
Oh, thanks for the warning.
In this case, we'll stick to the wired ones.
(http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/images/Products/Red-Keycap-Puller-Wire-6.jpg)
They are a little bit more expensive than the plastic ones ($5) but as you are suggesting, they'll work better.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 14 October 2014, 20:52:47
OP is updated, including more precise infos. Check it out!
Post by: Grendel on Wed, 15 October 2014, 01:52:38
Post by: DzyDzyDino on Wed, 15 October 2014, 10:43:45
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 15 October 2014, 13:06:29
Very nice, I like it ! Looks like this will become my 1st SA set. :)
We are scheduled to launch on December 1st!
Also, as mentioned on OP, I'm redesigning Colemak and Dvorak packages.
If my Internet is working when I get home, I'll update OP again with better images.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 21:16:35
Yes. I'm so in on this.
I'm glad you like it, I'm trying my best to bring you a very nice new keyset.
Make sure to check OP in order to get updates about the group buy format we're going with.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 19 October 2014, 21:07:24
I need your help, Colemak and Dvorak users.
Could you please provide me a picture of these layouts, so I can properly look into the add-ons?
Post by: agbockus on Sun, 19 October 2014, 21:33:42
Hey guys, long time!
I need your help, Colemak and Dvorak users.
Could you please provide me a picture of these layouts, so I can properly look into the add-ons?
I'm not a Colemak or Dvorak user - but I found some images that could probably be helpful:
Colemak:
(http://colemak.com/wiki/images/8/80/Colemak_layout_2.png)
Dvorak:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg/1280px-KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg.png)
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 19 October 2014, 21:36:30
Hey guys, long time!
I need your help, Colemak and Dvorak users.
Could you please provide me a picture of these layouts, so I can properly look into the add-ons?
I'm not a Colemak or Dvorak user - but I found some images that could probably be helpful:
Colemak:Show Image(http://colemak.com/wiki/images/8/80/Colemak_layout_2.png)
Dvorak:Show Image(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg/1280px-KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg.png)
I was using these two, actually.
But I'm afraid I'm missing something since I've never used Dvorak or Colemak.
Post by: agbockus on Sun, 19 October 2014, 21:42:29
Hey guys, long time!
I need your help, Colemak and Dvorak users.
Could you please provide me a picture of these layouts, so I can properly look into the add-ons?
I'm not a Colemak or Dvorak user - but I found some images that could probably be helpful:
Colemak:Show Image(http://colemak.com/wiki/images/8/80/Colemak_layout_2.png)
Dvorak:Show Image(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg/1280px-KB_United_States_Dvorak.svg.png)
I was using these two, actually.
But I'm afraid I'm missing something since I've never used Dvorak or Colemak.
I tried learning Dvorak. Honestly, I've seen "adapter" sets what just have replacement deep dish keys for the home keys (like F and J on qwerty). I think it was available for Granite R2?
Yeah, (https://d2qmzng4l690lq.cloudfront.net/resizer/1090x310/r/MD-3318_20140823133937_a06c52ac3d2fe351.jpg) is the package that they offered on MD.
It covers T & N for Colemak, and then the U & H for Dvorak.
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 19 October 2014, 21:45:20
I tried learning Dvorak. Honestly, I've seen "adapter" sets what just have replacement deep dish keys for the home keys (like F and J on qwerty). I think it was available for Granite R2?
Yeah,Show Image(https://d2qmzng4l690lq.cloudfront.net/resizer/1090x310/r/MD-3318_20140823133937_a06c52ac3d2fe351.jpg)is the package that they offered on MD.
It covers T & N for Colemak, and then the U & H for Dvorak.
I never tried, actually.
This image you linked is the extra-homing package from Granite and we can't use that as an idea because Granite was DSA and DSA is completely flat.
Since we are going SA (2-1-2-3-4-3) with Cospar, the keys are angled, and can't be swapped just to fit these layouts positioning.
Post by: agbockus on Sun, 19 October 2014, 22:19:26
I tried learning Dvorak. Honestly, I've seen "adapter" sets what just have replacement deep dish keys for the home keys (like F and J on qwerty). I think it was available for Granite R2?
Yeah,Show Image(https://d2qmzng4l690lq.cloudfront.net/resizer/1090x310/r/MD-3318_20140823133937_a06c52ac3d2fe351.jpg)is the package that they offered on MD.
It covers T & N for Colemak, and then the U & H for Dvorak.
I never tried, actually.
This image you linked is the extra-homing package from Granite and we can't use that as an idea because Granite was DSA and DSA is completely flat.
Since we are going SA (2-1-2-3-4-3) with Cospar, the keys are angled, and can't be swapped just to fit these layouts positioning.
Right, I got that.
Basically, the only way to keep the SA and make sure that Colemak and Dvorak is covered (it seems to me anyway), would be to make entire Alpha sets for each of them.
For example:
Dvorak would have
Row 1: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 [ ]
Row 2: ' , . p y f g c r l ? + \
Row 3: a u e o i d h t n s -
Row 4: ; q j k x b m w v z
All the other keys would be the same - such as backspace, tab, enter, shift, etc.
This would then all change for Colemak.
Right?
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 19 October 2014, 22:23:10
Right, I got that.
Basically, the only way to keep the SA and make sure that Colemak and Dvorak is covered (it seems to me anyway), would be to make entire Alpha sets for each of them.
For example:
Dvorak would have
Row 1: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 [ ]
Row 2: ' , . p y f g c r l ? + \
Row 3: a u e o i d h t n s -
Row 4: ; q j k x b m w v z
All the other keys would be the same - such as backspace, tab, enter, shift, etc.
This would then all change for Colemak.
Right?
Exactly, I think that we can trust these both images.
The Alphas are indeed the only difference.
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 20 October 2014, 19:13:55
1 { }
2 " < > F G C L ? +
3 O E U I T N _
4 : Q J K W
total 23 keys
If you end up doing a 60% stripe, Dvorak would be needing '[' & ']' on that row as well to not feel left out.
Some keys of Dvorak are also produced in Colemak in case you feel fusing them is wise
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 20 October 2014, 19:21:39
1 { }
2 " < > F G C L ? +
3 O E U I T N _
4 : Q J K W
So, this is everything we need to cover Dvorak?
I don't think a 60% stripe is needed, let's see what others think. Also, I'm not sure about those two backspaces at Colemak, that seems weird.
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 20 October 2014, 19:36:48
Also, I'm not sure about those two backspaces at Colemak, that seems weird.
Aye, and it just hit me the mods are all spacetalk anyway. Hard Over could just as easily be Control, Fn, Space, Backspace, Shift+F5, or anything else.
Also, I suggest somebody doublecheck my row-swap checks, for Dvorak and Colemak both, as I am drunk and likely to miss something.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 21 October 2014, 10:17:43
Aye, and it just hit me the mods are all spacetalk anyway. Hard Over could just as easily be Control, Fn, Space, Backspace, Shift+F5, or anything else.
Also, I suggest somebody doublecheck my row-swap checks, for Dvorak and Colemak both, as I am drunk and likely to miss something.
I'll bring the Dvorak and Colemak all-alpha add-ons tomorrow, hopefully they'll be correct.
We've got plenty of time to current them though, and then move to double check details.
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 22 October 2014, 17:26:06
UPDATED OP, DECEMBER 1st CONFIRMED!
Post by: Leimi on Fri, 24 October 2014, 07:41:13
Any chance of having a blanks set (at least for alphas)?
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 24 October 2014, 08:27:08
Looks great, good job :)
Any chance of having a blanks set (at least for alphas)?
Commands, which are Row 3 blanks, are included!
Check OP!
Post by: Mc_Masta_Hompus on Fri, 24 October 2014, 16:07:20
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 24 October 2014, 16:43:51
Are the prices going to be confirmed today?
Yes, stand by!
Post by: renne on Fri, 24 October 2014, 17:38:00
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 24 October 2014, 20:41:27
Hi MiTo! When will you schedule a group buy for row4 shift? I'm looking forward to it!
Hey Renne!
Will let you guys know as soon as Signature Plastics have the tooling to produce these keycaps up and running, ok? I'm really looking into that too, and I'm sure they're doing their best to bring these keycaps as soon as they can to us.
OP updated everybody.
What do you think about the price table?
Post by: renne on Fri, 24 October 2014, 21:45:40
Thanks! Also, why don't you try a 1-2-3-3-3-4 SA profile? Since people always want something different, right?Hi MiTo! When will you schedule a group buy for row4 shift? I'm looking forward to it!
Hey Renne!
Will let you guys know as soon as Signature Plastics have the tooling to produce these keycaps up and running, ok? I'm really looking into that too, and I'm sure they're doing their best to bring these keycaps as soon as they can to us.
OP updated everybody.
What do you think about the price table?
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 24 October 2014, 21:49:24
Thanks! Also, why don't you try a 1-2-3-3-3-4 SA profile? Since people always want something different, right?Hi MiTo! When will you schedule a group buy for row4 shift? I'm looking forward to it!
Hey Renne!
Will let you guys know as soon as Signature Plastics have the tooling to produce these keycaps up and running, ok? I'm really looking into that too, and I'm sure they're doing their best to bring these keycaps as soon as they can to us.
OP updated everybody.
What do you think about the price table?
I'm not absolutely sure, but I believe that Commando SA was 1-2-3-3-3-4. I know it's not sculptured, but I believe that it was the first SA keyset to feature Row 1 on the F-Row.
In the other hand, I don't think that Cospar's 2-1-2-3-4-3 was ever tried before!
Post by: renne on Fri, 24 October 2014, 21:53:40
I mean, comparing to Pulse SA, their profiles are the same except F-Row.Thanks! Also, why don't you try a 1-2-3-3-3-4 SA profile? Since people always want something different, right?Hi MiTo! When will you schedule a group buy for row4 shift? I'm looking forward to it!
Hey Renne!
Will let you guys know as soon as Signature Plastics have the tooling to produce these keycaps up and running, ok? I'm really looking into that too, and I'm sure they're doing their best to bring these keycaps as soon as they can to us.
OP updated everybody.
What do you think about the price table?
I'm not absolutely sure, but I believe that Commando SA was 1-2-3-3-3-4. I know it's not sculptured, but I believe that it was the first SA keyset to feature Row 1 on the F-Row.
In the other hand, I don't think that Cospar's 2-1-2-3-4-3 was ever tried before!
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 24 October 2014, 22:11:54
I mean, comparing to Pulse SA, their profiles are the same except F-Row.
Absolutely, I see your point.
We are choosing a sculptured profile again because some people totally hated the recently made "all flat Row 3" SA keysets. They mentioned that the lack of ergonomics was a huge issue.
If we really go 2-1-2-3-4-3 with Cospar, and we probably will, I'll look into flatter profiles on my next projects, because aesthetically, at least, they look very good.
Post by: renne on Sat, 25 October 2014, 01:45:29
Agree. I'd rather choose DSA than "all flat row3". Also, you said Cospar will be launched at the beginning of Dec, right? After you finish this GB, will you have some free time? I wanna talk about my ideas with you. ;)I mean, comparing to Pulse SA, their profiles are the same except F-Row.
Absolutely, I see your point.
We are choosing a sculptured profile again because some people totally hated the recently made "all flat Row 3" SA keysets. They mentioned that the lack of ergonomics was a huge issue.
If we really go 2-1-2-3-4-3 with Cospar, and we probably will, I'll look into flatter profiles on my next projects, because aesthetically, at least, they look very good.
Post by: Leimi on Sat, 25 October 2014, 05:19:56
Looks great, good job :)
Any chance of having a blanks set (at least for alphas)?
Commands, which are Row 3 blanks, are included!
Check OP!
Row 3 only sadly. I was talking about alphas :)
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 25 October 2014, 12:45:30
Agree. I'd rather choose DSA than "all flat row3". Also, you said Cospar will be launched at the beginning of Dec, right? After you finish this GB, will you have some free time? I wanna talk about my ideas with you. ;)
Yes, December 1st confirmed!
Absolutely, I'm willing to help and we can talk whenever you want to.
That's for you and everybody else, feel free to PM whenever you guys need a hand.
Post by: renne on Sat, 25 October 2014, 18:58:37
Great! Thanks!Agree. I'd rather choose DSA than "all flat row3". Also, you said Cospar will be launched at the beginning of Dec, right? After you finish this GB, will you have some free time? I wanna talk about my ideas with you. ;)
Yes, December 1st confirmed!
Absolutely, I'm willing to help and we can talk whenever you want to.
That's for you and everybody else, feel free to PM whenever you guys need a hand.
Post by: renne on Sun, 26 October 2014, 21:28:13
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 26 October 2014, 21:35:26
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 27 October 2014, 15:14:58
that looks normal to me
the modifiers kit seems very expensive...
Mostly because their legends are completely customized and therefore new molds are needed.
One way to chop down these costs by a margin is to use the same legend on both Alts and the same legend on both Controls.
But I believe that if we chose to do that, the set would become a little bit boring...
What do you guys think?
Post by: bickle on Mon, 27 October 2014, 16:16:15
COOL!
I have always interested in your design.
Can you add blue enter(launch)?
Because I want to match the color of modifiers. :)
Sure, will add to the Cospars.
Was it decided not to include blue Enter key? :'(
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 27 October 2014, 16:22:43
COOL!
I have always interested in your design.
Can you add blue enter(launch)?
Because I want to match the color of modifiers. :)
Sure, will add to the Cospars.
Was it decided not to include blue Enter key? :'(
Totally forgot about that, I'm so sorry.
The pictures featuring such key were probably lost somewhere, I'll fix that.
Post by: renne on Mon, 27 October 2014, 16:52:18
Maybe normal alt, ctrl, shift, esc and enter in the modifier kit, and then create a novelties kit?that looks normal to methe modifiers kit seems very expensive...
Mostly because their legends are completely customized and therefore new molds are needed.
One way to chop down these costs by a margin is to use the same legend on both Alts and the same legend on both Controls.
But I believe that if we chose to do that, the set would become a little bit boring...
What do you guys think?
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 27 October 2014, 17:11:38
Post by: renne on Mon, 27 October 2014, 17:22:51
Post by: cjhard on Mon, 27 October 2014, 17:27:21
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 27 October 2014, 21:01:25
Maybe normal alt, ctrl, shift, esc and enter in the modifier kit, and then create a novelties kit?
It is an option, but the Novelties would then be extremely expensive and sincerely they would never tip.
Also, if we decided to go with normal legends, Cospar would completely lose it's appeal.
I'm thinking about doing regular legends on Hoccard, which is another project I've got that share some details with Cospar.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 27 October 2014, 21:04:51
Keep in mind at least hopefully there will be one modifier kit bought per alpha kit, of which there are three to buy. Alpha's will be split making it harder to achieve the tiers, but the mods will quickly climb the tiers if this proves to be a popular set.
I see what you're talking about. Do you believe it was a good idea to split the Alphas?
Sincerely, I believe it was. 15 Dvos and 15 Colemakers is not too much and 25 QWERTYers neither. Because of that, 50 Modifiers would easily sell, but again, if Cospar proves to be popular enough.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 27 October 2014, 21:08:30
If you change the profile of qwerty row, asd row, and zxc row into the same, then you don't have to create 3 different alpha kits. And that might help the whole set to be tipped.
But then you wouldn't have the sculpted profile, you'd have just another row 3 SA kit.
CJ made a point here, Renne.
This same thing was suggested by Melissa when I requested MOQ prices for the Colemak and Dvorak Alphas. Swapping the letters positioning would easily solve this problem, non-standard people would only need a Homing Kit in order to achieve their Dvorak and Colemak layouts.
However, because Cospar is going to be completely sculptured, swapping alphas would basically destroy the ergonomy and look of people's keyboards.
That's why I decided to design completely independent alpha packages, you feel me?
Post by: renne on Tue, 28 October 2014, 00:36:05
Yeah, I know. Hope Colemak and Dvorak users could make it tipped. I'm okay with your design, since I'm a qwerty user, haha. :DIf you change the profile of qwerty row, asd row, and zxc row into the same, then you don't have to create 3 different alpha kits. And that might help the whole set to be tipped.But then you wouldn't have the sculpted profile, you'd have just another row 3 SA kit.
CJ made a point here, Renne.
This same thing was suggested by Melissa when I requested MOQ prices for the Colemak and Dvorak Alphas. Swapping the letters positioning would easily solve this problem, non-standard people would only need a Homing Kit in order to achieve their Dvorak and Colemak layouts.
However, because Cospar is going to be completely sculptured, swapping alphas would basically destroy the ergonomy and look of people's keyboards.
That's why I decided to design completely independent alpha packages, you feel me?
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 28 October 2014, 17:58:08
Having these as addon kits appeals to people who want Qwerty as a fallback, but probably would be upsetting to someone who doesn't intend to use Qwerty.
My thoughts: Lets see what happens. It's an interesting gamble. We'll surely have a disproportionate amount of people going Qwerty because it's what they know, and avoiding Colemak and Dvorak because it's more expensive. I think only people with cash to spare would buy into a set of full alphas that isn't the more popular choice.
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 29 October 2014, 21:32:04
My biggest concern is too few people buying Colemak and not being able to tip it, but they don't get alerted to that. If there's no time to convert their Colemak order into a Qwerty order, someone's going to end up with a modifier pack and no alphas. I'm hoping Melissa could kindly help on this if it comes to that once orders are closed.
Having these as addon kits appeals to people who want Qwerty as a fallback, but probably would be upsetting to someone who doesn't intend to use Qwerty.
My thoughts: Lets see what happens. It's an interesting gamble. We'll surely have a disproportionate amount of people going Qwerty because it's what they know, and avoiding Colemak and Dvorak because it's more expensive. I think only people with cash to spare would buy into a set of full alphas that isn't the more popular choice.
This is indeed very serious CJ, that's why I chose a lower and yet affordable tier for Cole and Dvo.
15 is a realistic number and maybe, it will succeed.
I'm pretty sure Melissa will be able to cancel the "Modifier-only" orders for Colemakers and Dvoers, if their Alphas don't eventually tip. However, this would happen only if the cancelled orders aren't too many...
Because what if they drop the Modifiers orders to a point below the tipping point?
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Post by: cjhard on Thu, 30 October 2014, 08:14:27
There's currently no way in this GB system to specify that ordered product A is dependent on ordered product B tipping, and alternate product C is acceptable in place of ordered product B, or cancel ordered product A if B fails
Post by: Data on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:48:50
Or MiTo could message her about it and maybe make it part of the GB that if one or both of the alternate layouts fail to tip, they default to Qwerty to keep the rest of the GB from falling apart..
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 04 November 2014, 08:56:21
You could probably arrange that if you email Melissa.
Or MiTo could message her about it and maybe make it part of the GB that if one or both of the alternate layouts fail to tip, they default to Qwerty to keep the rest of the GB from falling apart..
I'd rather my order be changed to the cheaper QWERTY with full impact on the MOQ of QWERTY (49 people order qwerty, 3 people dvorak, 3 people move to qwerty and causes a new tier to be hit), as well as that tier and differing product being reflected on the invoice after the GB is over.
There's currently no way in this GB system to specify that ordered product A is dependent on ordered product B tipping, and alternate product C is acceptable in place of ordered product B, or cancel ordered product A if B fails
I'm sorry for taking so long to answer you guys, College has been killing me these past couple of weeks. I've got a last test on Friday and then I'll have a nice time window, I believe we'll be good.
Regarding these suggestions you guys made, I believe that the we can set a up a "If This Than This" system with Signature Plastics for Cospar.
Something like this:
* QWERTY Alphas are the main priority;
* Modifiers are the secondary priority;
* Dvorak and Colemak are both terciary;
- If both Colemak and Dvorak fail, both Dvorak and Colemak orders instantly combine with QWERTY orders, regardless of how many orders were placed for Colemak and Dvorak;
- If Colemak fails and Dvorak tips, Colemak orders combine with QWERTY orders, regardless of how many Colemak orders were placed;
- If Dvorak fails and Colemak tips, Dvorak orders combine with QWERTY orders, regadless of how many Dvorak orders were placed.
Problem is that I don't know if Signature Plastics will accept this (I think they will agree), but if they do, maybe customers will claim the following, in the future:
"But I wanted Colemak/Dvorak Alphas, and that only! Not getting Colemak/Dvorak is a deal breaker cause I don't own a QWERTY board. I want a refund!"
And in the worst case scenario, refunds will pile up to a point where the Modifiers will fall below their 50 MOQ tipping point.
We've got two options:
-> Set up the ITTT system mentioned above and hopefully, people won't complain if their layout (Dvo/Cole) eventually fail;
-> Offer a Base Set (QWERTY + Mods) and sculptured Dvo/Cole add-ons as child deals, like it was before my 'splitting update'.
What do you guys think?
Post by: Data on Tue, 04 November 2014, 09:51:28
Post by: cjhard on Tue, 04 November 2014, 10:47:41
Mods commit depends on a and/or b
Dvorak commit at Tip, optionally fallback to x
where user could specify if dvorak does not tip, fallback on a more popular alpha's pack, or don't get alphas, which causes the dependant modifiers to not order.
You could also include only the alphas that are static to all layouts in the mods kit, and deltas for dvorak and colemak and qwerty.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 06 November 2014, 17:13:10
It'd be nice if they had a committal dependency.
Mods commit depends on a and/or b
Dvorak commit at Tip, optionally fallback to x
where user could specify if dvorak does not tip, fallback on a more popular alpha's pack, or don't get alphas, which causes the dependant modifiers to not order.
You could also include only the alphas that are static to all layouts in the mods kit, and deltas for dvorak and colemak and qwerty.
MiTo - You can also ask Melissa if they'd be willing to force the Dvorak and Colemak sets to tip at whatever Order Quantity they happen to be at, assuming all the other kits tip. I've seen them do this before for kits that were very close but didn't tip. SP understands that some people would rather cancel their entire order if a specific child deal doesn't tip, because that might make the entire keyset useless to them.
The IFTT system was way too complicated and I believe that if we decided to go with it, Cospar would fail.
A more realist GB format was adopted, like we had before. The delta system Data suggested would cause confusion within first time customers so even though it was a nice idea, I believe it's too risky.
However, the Colepar and Dvoryke kits were tuned and the "ABORT" keycap on the Copsars was switched to "PANIC" in order to reduce costs.
Updated op.
Post by: Arvid on Tue, 02 December 2014, 19:34:38
Post by: JinDesu on Tue, 02 December 2014, 19:40:43
So whats the status on this?
See here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66212.msg1549558
Post by: frosty on Thu, 04 December 2014, 10:47:03
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 04 December 2014, 15:18:05
can someone lock this thread since mito is no longer on geekhack (i think)
I reported it but nobody locked it