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Title: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: cmadrid on Thu, 11 September 2014, 09:23:26
Was tired of how much memory Chrome uses, so I redownloaded firefox, but it wont let me log in to geekhack.  Keeps saying there was a problem please check your cookie settings.  Fresh install, and from what I can see it is set to accept cookies.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 11 September 2014, 09:24:31
Before microsoft windows come in and suggest you use IE, may I interest you in Safari?
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: cmadrid on Thu, 11 September 2014, 09:42:50
lol, +1
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: Signature on Thu, 11 September 2014, 10:27:36
Try opera? Itīs the fastest apart from chrome afaik
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: Snigeln on Thu, 11 September 2014, 11:00:21
Just download more RAM
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: yomammary on Thu, 11 September 2014, 13:09:46
How much RAM was it using?
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: belac on Thu, 11 September 2014, 15:59:25
Just download more RAM

 link for the lazy  (http://downloadmoreram.com)
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 11 September 2014, 16:08:10
How much RAM was it using?

Knowing Chrome, all of it.

Did someone say memory leak?
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 September 2014, 16:57:50
I'm just too adapted to firefox for my daily use..   color toggle + adblock + noscript
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 11 September 2014, 17:11:24
I stopped using Firefox a while ago due to its atrocious memory management, and excruciatingly slow performance (compared to Chrome).
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 11 September 2014, 17:12:38
GH works great in palemoon.

I use it for anything that requires flash.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tbc on Thu, 11 September 2014, 23:45:42
I stopped using Firefox a while ago due to its atrocious memory management, and excruciatingly slow performance (compared to Chrome).

chrome's never had good memory management though.

multiprocess is a clever trick to make it look like you're more efficient.

when 1 chrome tab takes almost as much memory as 10 firefox tabs (both are a single process), isn't that a little worrying?
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 September 2014, 01:57:05
I stopped using Firefox a while ago due to its atrocious memory management, and excruciatingly slow performance (compared to Chrome).

chrome's never had good memory management though.

multiprocess is a clever trick to make it look like you're more efficient.

when 1 chrome tab takes almost as much memory as 10 firefox tabs (both are a single process), isn't that a little worrying?

not reaaaally... since the new 6 cores are comin out, and then 8 cores... gonna have 12 and 16 threads...  (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/embarrassed4-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862503)
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tbc on Fri, 12 September 2014, 02:07:32
did you quote the wrong person?

i said memory.

also we've have 12-16 core cpus for a while now.  that's alot of threads.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 September 2014, 03:33:47
did you quote the wrong person?

i said memory.

also we've have 12-16 core cpus for a while now.  that's alot of threads.

what do you mean WE...  I don't have you... do YOU ?   


MOST people don't got server stuff.. I only just got a dual -quadcore xeon- setup last year, and it's only westmere, freebie from equipment retiring..


Consumers are jussst getting into hex core with the Haswell E..

broadwell SHhhhould breach 4.8ghz on octo..  but current haswell e is kinda sluggish compared to the 4790...
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 12 September 2014, 06:12:29
I stopped using Firefox a while ago due to its atrocious memory management, and excruciatingly slow performance (compared to Chrome).

chrome's never had good memory management though.

multiprocess is a clever trick to make it look like you're more efficient.

when 1 chrome tab takes almost as much memory as 10 firefox tabs (both are a single process), isn't that a little worrying?

I've had Chrome tabs consuming GB RAM (mainly on GH for threads with lots of huge photos).  The PC crawls to a stop.  Close the tab and memory freed - everything back to normal.

Firefox takes ages to start, and does not free memory properly as it is single-threaded.  Sort of.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 12 September 2014, 06:47:39
I stopped using Firefox a while ago due to its atrocious memory management, and excruciatingly slow performance (compared to Chrome).

chrome's never had good memory management though.

multiprocess is a clever trick to make it look like you're more efficient.

when 1 chrome tab takes almost as much memory as 10 firefox tabs (both are a single process), isn't that a little worrying?

I've had Chrome tabs consuming GB RAM (mainly on GH for threads with lots of huge photos).  The PC crawls to a stop.  Close the tab and memory freed - everything back to normal.

Firefox takes ages to start, and does not free memory properly as it is single-threaded.  Sort of.

what are your PC spex
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: yomammary on Fri, 12 September 2014, 07:06:28
I have 8gb at home and 24gb at work and never encountered memory leaks on Chrome. Might just be me I guess...
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: osi on Fri, 12 September 2014, 08:13:53
..opens firefox...

Please wait while the latest update is installed...



Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 12 September 2014, 09:21:52
..opens firefox...

Please wait while the latest update is installed...





That release cycle :(

I used mozilla and then firefox, but I never made the switch to 4.*

Then I switched to Opera but it had even worse memory management. I usually have a few hundred tabs open. Web browsing used up ~3-7 GB of RAM/swap. I tried midori for a while (and would load/unload tabs as I needed them) but it's too buggy to work.

Now I use Iron (chromium) for most things and palemoon (firefox) for media-things as it seems to work better for that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: osi on Fri, 12 September 2014, 09:53:42
..opens firefox...

Please wait while the latest update is installed...





That release cycle :(

I used mozilla and then firefox, but I never made the switch to 4.*

Then I switched to Opera but it had even worse memory management. I usually have a few hundred tabs open. Web browsing used up ~3-7 GB of RAM/swap. I tried midori for a while (and would load/unload tabs as I needed them) but it's too buggy to work.

Now I use Iron (chromium) for most things and palemoon (firefox) for media-things as it seems to work better for that sort of thing.

Yes -- chromium ftw!!
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 13 September 2014, 07:07:55
I stopped using Firefox a while ago due to its atrocious memory management, and excruciatingly slow performance (compared to Chrome).

chrome's never had good memory management though.

multiprocess is a clever trick to make it look like you're more efficient.

when 1 chrome tab takes almost as much memory as 10 firefox tabs (both are a single process), isn't that a little worrying?

I've had Chrome tabs consuming GB RAM (mainly on GH for threads with lots of huge photos).  The PC crawls to a stop.  Close the tab and memory freed - everything back to normal.

Firefox takes ages to start, and does not free memory properly as it is single-threaded.  Sort of.

what are your PC spex

Paltry.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tbc on Sat, 13 September 2014, 09:57:53
..opens firefox...

Please wait while the latest update is installed...





That release cycle :(

I used mozilla and then firefox, but I never made the switch to 4.*

Then I switched to Opera but it had even worse memory management. I usually have a few hundred tabs open. Web browsing used up ~3-7 GB of RAM/swap. I tried midori for a while (and would load/unload tabs as I needed them) but it's too buggy to work.

Now I use Iron (chromium) for most things and palemoon (firefox) for media-things as it seems to work better for that sort of thing.

firefox tab groups.

best feature ever.

Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: taylordcraig on Sat, 13 September 2014, 10:36:57
I hate wrestling with browsers, I recommend buying more ram.
[never had a problem with 8gb ram in any browser]
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: cmadrid on Sat, 13 September 2014, 14:59:41
Its not that I was having 'problems' with Chrome.. I was just wanting to try Firefox again because I haven't in ages, and Chrome does love to use whatever RAM it can find.  But, I can't log in to Geekhack on Firefox (or waterfox) it says there was an error please log in again
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 13 September 2014, 22:31:09
I hate wrestling with browsers, I recommend buying more ram.
[never had a problem with 8gb ram in any browser]

Get 32GB of ram and be done with it.  After loading that much into your PC no browser can take away valuable ram from the system when it runs.

Currently using Firefox 32.0.1 and have on average up to 47 to 63 tabs opened (mainly due to successive Ebay pages) for browsing and purchases.  Never had it quit on me or slow down in any way BUT the trick is to permanently terminate Adobe Flash, do not have it installed in any browser or even use that piece of abortion masquerading as something essential to any internet experience.

Since I permanently deleted everything connected to Adobe from my system builds have never had crashes or freezing, like when I use to have with Adobe garbage installed all those years ago.

Be smart and never use anything connected to Adobe Corp and you should have a very reliable and pleasant internet experience.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: Novus on Sat, 13 September 2014, 22:34:57
I hate wrestling with browsers, I recommend buying more ram.
[never had a problem with 8gb ram in any browser]

Get 32GB of ram and be done with it.  After loading that much into your PC no browser can take away valuable ram from the system when it runs.

Currently using Firefox 32.0.1 and have on average up to 47 to 63 tabs opened (mainly due to successive Ebay pages) for browsing and purchases.  Never had it quit on me or slow down in any way BUT the trick is to permanently terminate Adobe Flash, do not have it installed in any browser or even use that piece of abortion masquerading as something essential to any internet experience.

Since I permanently deleted everything connected to Adobe from my system builds have never had crashes or freezing, like when I use to have with Adobe garbage installed all those years ago.

Be smart and never use anything connected to Adobe Corp and you should have a very reliable and pleasant internet experience.

Nein!
Bad Advice!
Wait until DDR4.

Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: dustinhxc on Sat, 13 September 2014, 22:35:15
I've been using Firefox for like 10 years. Love it! :) used chrome for a couple months when it was in beta. Try ctrl alt del close it and reopen it. :/ not sure man.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: Novus on Sat, 13 September 2014, 22:36:58
The rendering in the new chrome is pretty bad I gotta say.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 13 September 2014, 22:40:36
I hate wrestling with browsers, I recommend buying more ram.
[never had a problem with 8gb ram in any browser]

Get 32GB of ram and be done with it.  After loading that much into your PC no browser can take away valuable ram from the system when it runs.

Currently using Firefox 32.0.1 and have on average up to 47 to 63 tabs opened (mainly due to successive Ebay pages) for browsing and purchases.  Never had it quit on me or slow down in any way BUT the trick is to permanently terminate Adobe Flash, do not have it installed in any browser or even use that piece of abortion masquerading as something essential to any internet experience.

Since I permanently deleted everything connected to Adobe from my system builds have never had crashes or freezing, like when I use to have with Adobe garbage installed all those years ago.

Be smart and never use anything connected to Adobe Corp and you should have a very reliable and pleasant internet experience.

Nein!
Bad Advice!
Wait until DDR4.

What does Dance Dance Revolution have to do with all this?  :p
Are we going to dance while we wait for our computers to unfreeze  :))
(inb4 DDR4 is the new RAM. LOL dingus u freal?)
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: taylordcraig on Sun, 14 September 2014, 07:33:10
It went ddr2 and then ddr3 so I don't see how ddr4 is a stretch.
Also you'd have to upgrade your MOBO, so waiting until 4 is probably bad advice.
You're telling him to wait and rebuild his computer.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 September 2014, 07:35:11
I hate wrestling with browsers, I recommend buying more ram.
[never had a problem with 8gb ram in any browser]

Get 32GB of ram and be done with it.  After loading that much into your PC no browser can take away valuable ram from the system when it runs.

Currently using Firefox 32.0.1 and have on average up to 47 to 63 tabs opened (mainly due to successive Ebay pages) for browsing and purchases.  Never had it quit on me or slow down in any way BUT the trick is to permanently terminate Adobe Flash, do not have it installed in any browser or even use that piece of abortion masquerading as something essential to any internet experience.

Since I permanently deleted everything connected to Adobe from my system builds have never had crashes or freezing, like when I use to have with Adobe garbage installed all those years ago.

Be smart and never use anything connected to Adobe Corp and you should have a very reliable and pleasant internet experience.

Nein!
Bad Advice!
Wait until DDR4.

What does Dance Dance Revolution have to do with all this?  :p
Are we going to dance while we wait for our computers to unfreeze  :))
(inb4 DDR4 is the new RAM. LOL dingus u freal?)

I remember Dance Dance Revolution..  I was less fat when I played it..
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 14 September 2014, 08:49:29
No love for Safari huh? It's available in Windows too, not just the premier Mac OS.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 14 September 2014, 17:34:17
No love for Safari huh? It's available in Windows too, not just the premier Mac OS.

Windows port of Safari is waaay out of date :(
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tbc on Sun, 14 September 2014, 23:46:01
No love for Safari huh? It's available in Windows too, not just the premier Mac OS.

HUGE security risk
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 16 September 2014, 12:29:22
So NOBODY has a suggestion as to what is causing me to be unable to log in with Firefox?  Freshly installed, no add-ons or anything
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: mreverything on Tue, 16 September 2014, 12:33:56
Did you import settings from Chrome?

I've never had a problem with GH on Chromium or Firefox. I keep them updated through homebrew on OS X, but that's probably not helpful info.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: cmadrid on Tue, 16 September 2014, 12:37:58
I worked it out.. had to manually adjust some settings and then delete my cookies to get rid of a corrupted cookie file.  Yay
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: osi on Tue, 16 September 2014, 12:39:52
So NOBODY has a suggestion as to what is causing me to be unable to log in with Firefox?  Freshly installed, no add-ons or anything


Wierd problem for sure. Try :


- launch firefox incognito mode and attempt to login to geekhack
- create a new firefox (user) profile ; launch firefox under newly created user ; attempt to login to geekhack
- log out of your OS ; log in as another user ; launch firefox and attempt to login to geekhack


Should give us some more clues about your situation
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: Coreda on Tue, 16 September 2014, 12:50:29
Firefox takes ages to start, and does not free memory properly as it is single-threaded.  Sort of.

Strange, I've been using Firefox v25-28 for the past year and have had no such issues on my older Macbook (2GB memory, HDD) and Windows 8 box (8GB memory, SSD). Both open fast.

Opera 12 was once the best choice for lower spec'd systems, it's unfortunate they disbanded the team to focus on the Webkit/Blink engine.

Re: OP. You could also ask on the Mozilla IRC channel (https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.mozilla.org/#firefox) for help. I have on occasions and they can be knowledgeable about such issues.

Edit:

I worked it out.. had to manually adjust some settings and then delete my cookies to get rid of a corrupted cookie file.  Yay

Yay :)
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: paicrai on Tue, 16 September 2014, 12:53:18
I worked it out.. had to manually adjust some settings and then delete my cookies to get rid of a corrupted cookie file.  Yay
i was just going to tell you to do that, no ****ing joke
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: Novus on Tue, 16 September 2014, 14:12:03
I hate wrestling with browsers, I recommend buying more ram.
[never had a problem with 8gb ram in any browser]

Get 32GB of ram and be done with it.  After loading that much into your PC no browser can take away valuable ram from the system when it runs.

Currently using Firefox 32.0.1 and have on average up to 47 to 63 tabs opened (mainly due to successive Ebay pages) for browsing and purchases.  Never had it quit on me or slow down in any way BUT the trick is to permanently terminate Adobe Flash, do not have it installed in any browser or even use that piece of abortion masquerading as something essential to any internet experience.

Since I permanently deleted everything connected to Adobe from my system builds have never had crashes or freezing, like when I use to have with Adobe garbage installed all those years ago.

Be smart and never use anything connected to Adobe Corp and you should have a very reliable and pleasant internet experience.

Nein!
Bad Advice!
Wait until DDR4.

What does Dance Dance Revolution have to do with all this?  :p
Are we going to dance while we wait for our computers to unfreeze  :))
(inb4 DDR4 is the new RAM. LOL dingus u freal?)

I remember Dance Dance Revolution..  I was less fat when I played it..

I played DDR and I was absolute **** at it.
I can't even believe I played a musical instrument too.
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 16 September 2014, 20:11:19
How much RAM was it using?

Knowing Chrome, all of it.

Did someone say memory leak?
Indeed lol.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99587511/chrome.jpg)
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: tbc on Tue, 16 September 2014, 22:22:24
chrome user: "so memory efficient - only 300mb!!!" /nosarcasm

LAWL
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 17 September 2014, 01:03:47
How much RAM was it using?

Knowing Chrome, all of it.

Did someone say memory leak?
Indeed lol.
Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99587511/chrome.jpg)



But, if you close those tabs you get all the memory back straight away (more or less under Windows).
Title: Re: Just downloaded firefox again
Post by: C5Allroad on Wed, 17 September 2014, 05:36:39
How much RAM was it using?

Knowing Chrome, all of it.

Did someone say memory leak?
Indeed lol.
Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/99587511/chrome.jpg)



But, if you close those tabs you get all the memory back straight away (more or less under Windows).
I had 5 tabs open. :)