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Title: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: exit on Wed, 17 September 2014, 07:34:10
http://www.techpowerup.com/205349/logitech-unveils-the-g910-orion-spark-rgb-mechanical-keyboard.html

With exclusive Romer-G (Omron) mechanical switches rated to 70 million keystrokes, Logitech jumps on the RGB mechanical train.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 17 September 2014, 07:43:45
Romer-G eh?


hmmm... 70million LOLOL... i doubt most people make it to 10 million in their lifetime.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: janvkn on Wed, 17 September 2014, 07:44:18
That keyboard looks like it was designed for 12 year olds. Yuck.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:01:03
That keyboard looks like it was designed for 12 year olds. Yuck.

News flash.. 

Video games are for children

People buying mechanical keyboards are predominantly CHILDREN..


If you play video games, you've not grown up...   


Therefore, your aversion to said-kid-product is a contradiction to your own self.





I'm not saying you need to grow up, or that video game is bad, or that I'm any better..

Do no misunderstand...   I am merely explaining that your angst is misplaced and hypocritical.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Tempest790 on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:06:05
The main thing I want to see (like this keyboard) is less light bleed than the Corsair RGB MX.  That keyboard does look horrible though, but I'm still waiting for an RGB Ducky or something similar.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:08:09
I'm assuming they're jumping on the cherry clone train for this
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: jameslr on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:11:17
That keyboard looks like it was designed for 12 year olds. Yuck.
News flash.. 
Video games are for children
People buying mechanical keyboards are predominantly CHILDREN..
If you play video games, you've not grown up...   
Therefore, your aversion to said-kid-product is a contradiction to your own self.
I'm not saying you need to grow up, or that video game is bad, or that I'm any better..

Do no misunderstand...   I am merely explaining that your angst is misplaced and hypocritical.

I know better than to feed the tp troll, but I'll go ahead and throw you a biscuit. What exactly does a "grown up" do then? Read archaic literature, go to plays, and swill brandy? Video games are for everyone and it doesn't mean you've not "grown up" if you play them. You are implying that the activity of playing video games is for immature people. You are wrong, that is all there is to it. :)
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:15:57
That keyboard looks like it was designed for 12 year olds. Yuck.
News flash.. 
Video games are for children
People buying mechanical keyboards are predominantly CHILDREN..
If you play video games, you've not grown up...   
Therefore, your aversion to said-kid-product is a contradiction to your own self.
I'm not saying you need to grow up, or that video game is bad, or that I'm any better..

Do no misunderstand...   I am merely explaining that your angst is misplaced and hypocritical.

I know better than to feed the tp troll, but I'll go ahead and throw you a biscuit. What exactly does a "grown up" do then? Read archaic literature, go to plays, and swill brandy? Video games are for everyone and it doesn't mean you've not "grown up" if you play them. You are implying that the activity of playing video games is for immature people. You are wrong, that is all there is to it. :)

Yes video games are for immature people... I do not claim to be "mature"..


Video game to Children can be a learning experience..

Video games to Adults, who have mastered most gaming concepts, are a mere diversion from OTHER things they could be doing...    Things with higher potential payoff..


These are not absolute terms, no,   but the majority of us PLAY video games knowing they have nothing much left to teach us...  and for the sole purpose of simulating-Progress and an evanescent sense of achievement..


I am right.. and it is you who are both shortsighted and in denial of the choices you make..


 
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: margo baggins on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:24:48
That keyboard looks like it was designed for 12 year olds. Yuck.
News flash.. 
Video games are for children
People buying mechanical keyboards are predominantly CHILDREN..
If you play video games, you've not grown up...   
Therefore, your aversion to said-kid-product is a contradiction to your own self.
I'm not saying you need to grow up, or that video game is bad, or that I'm any better..

Do no misunderstand...   I am merely explaining that your angst is misplaced and hypocritical.

I know better than to feed the tp troll, but I'll go ahead and throw you a biscuit. What exactly does a "grown up" do then? Read archaic literature, go to plays, and swill brandy? Video games are for everyone and it doesn't mean you've not "grown up" if you play them. You are implying that the activity of playing video games is for immature people. You are wrong, that is all there is to it. :)

Yes video games are for immature people... I do not claim to be "mature"..


Video game to Children can be a learning experience..

Video games to Adults, who have mastered most gaming concepts, are a mere diversion from OTHER things they could be doing...    Things with higher potential payoff..


These are not absolute terms, no,   but the majority of us PLAY video games knowing they have nothing much left to teach us...  and for the sole purpose of simulating-Progress and an evanescent sense of achievement..


I am right.. and it is you who are both shortsighted and in denial of the choices you make..

you're not right - as your post doesn't represent everyone, just your opinions of everyone. Which means - it's anecdotal evidence, which means = BS.

Cite some sources, then you can be right.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Hyde on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:24:55
lol I made another post about this but I think it was under approval while this post was being made, I guess I'll just post it here:


This is what under the keycap look like:

https://www.facebook.com/logitechgaming/photos/a.196540319870.127238.96895859870/10152667296004871/?type=1&theater

Out of the 3 RGB keyboards I think this is the least good looking one.  It's like you guys said it looks like it's made for 12 year olds.

Just when I thought Logitech is stepping it up on mouse designs, I guess their keyboard design is still fail.

I am a bit curious about their new switch though, it is the first true "new" switch in a long while.  Hopefully it will turn out good.  :)
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: ynrozturk on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:27:36
"This keyboard is the culmination of years of ongoing development by our engineering team"

Now all they need is a design team, as that is the ugliest keyboard I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:32:46
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/130997-logitech-g910-orion-spark-is-mother-of-gaming-keyboards-docks-with-iphone-and-android-for-stats/gallery?photo=6 (http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/130997-logitech-g910-orion-spark-is-mother-of-gaming-keyboards-docks-with-iphone-and-android-for-stats/gallery?photo=6)


[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:36:34
"This keyboard is the culmination of years of ongoing development by our engineering team"

Now all they need is a design team, as that is the ugliest keyboard I have ever seen.

They do have some substantial experience with Omron switches -- and selling mice and keyboards.  It isn't to my cup of tea, but perhaps my 12YO and 15YO sons will find it compelling.  Al Logitech will have to do is sell them for this to be a design win.

Because, frankly, they weren't ever going to make a keyboard that would both sell and appeal to geekhackers!

Now, about those switches...

I like Omron switches, and would be interested in trying a keyboard version.  Are they available as spares?  Can we get specs and make a proper TKL keyboard from them?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  And there is SpAmRaY with an answer.  Those pins look very much like Cherry PCB-mount pins rotated 90 degrees.  Are they?
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:42:09
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: jameslr on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:42:44
That keyboard looks like it was designed for 12 year olds. Yuck.
News flash.. 
Video games are for children
People buying mechanical keyboards are predominantly CHILDREN..
If you play video games, you've not grown up...   
Therefore, your aversion to said-kid-product is a contradiction to your own self.
I'm not saying you need to grow up, or that video game is bad, or that I'm any better..

Do no misunderstand...   I am merely explaining that your angst is misplaced and hypocritical.

I know better than to feed the tp troll, but I'll go ahead and throw you a biscuit. What exactly does a "grown up" do then? Read archaic literature, go to plays, and swill brandy? Video games are for everyone and it doesn't mean you've not "grown up" if you play them. You are implying that the activity of playing video games is for immature people. You are wrong, that is all there is to it. :)
Video games to Adults, who have mastered most gaming concepts, are a mere diversion from OTHER things they could be doing...    Things with higher potential payoff..
I am right.. and it is you who are both shortsighted and in denial of the choices you make..

Do you have some examples of the "OTHER things they could be doing"? What provides a "higher potential payoff"? Even if you provide good examples which likely won't be universally applicable - you're still wrong.

Video games are only a waste of time if you give other activities higher value. Such relevant value is to be determined by the individual performing the activity. You're projecting your (or perhaps your parents') archaic values onto others, and I don't accept it. That is why you're wrong.

-----------------------------

Back on topic. I agree this keyboard looks very gamer. Not my style of course, but I've enjoyed many a logitech product. I would buy one for my kids, probably. I wouldn't use it myself though unless I thought it felt nice to type on.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:45:09
http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/rgb-gaming-keyboard-g910?wt.mc_id=global_g910 (http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/rgb-gaming-keyboard-g910?wt.mc_id=global_g910)

http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/articles/romer-g
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:53:32
http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/rgb-gaming-keyboard-g910?wt.mc_id=global_g910 (http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/rgb-gaming-keyboard-g910?wt.mc_id=global_g910)

http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/articles/romer-g

Looks interesting as a switch but it looks like our current keycaps won't be compatible xD
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: JinDesu on Wed, 17 September 2014, 08:56:11
Sooo, no custom keycaps for this keyboard whatsoever eh?
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 17 September 2014, 09:00:56
Sooo, no custom keycaps for this keyboard whatsoever eh?

Definitely not the demographic they are reaching out to.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: SpecTP on Wed, 17 September 2014, 09:09:06
I see a bit of TRON design influence.  It's an interesting switch.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 17 September 2014, 09:10:53
Anyone have any opinions on the ~$179.99 price tag?
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: nubbinator on Wed, 17 September 2014, 09:17:27
Anyone have any opinions on the ~$179.99 price tag?

If Corsair can do it, why can't they? /s

It's a bit much IMO.  Even with R&D, they have to be making money hand over fist with that price tag.  It's cheap plastic caps, a plastic body, and, aside from the switches, doesn't look like anything too terribly crazy.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: JinDesu on Wed, 17 September 2014, 09:31:46
To be fair, it's not that far off from the latest DAS either. It's certainly flashier/tackier, but it's got a lot of features that brings it to a similar level (except for quality).
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: IPT on Wed, 17 September 2014, 09:49:56
Anyone have any opinions on the ~$179.99 price tag?

sounds about right
remember how much they launched the G15 and G19 for.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: ynrozturk on Wed, 17 September 2014, 10:03:24
To be fair, it's not that far off from the latest DAS either. It's certainly flashier/tackier, but it's got a lot of features that brings it to a similar level (except for quality).

The latest DAS at least looks awesome though. This just looks idiotic.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 17 September 2014, 10:05:18
Anyone have any opinions on the ~$179.99 price tag?

sounds about right
remember how much they launched the G15 and G19 for.

179 sounds bout right for something like this..

it's got all new gimmicks :D
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 17 September 2014, 10:41:55
I am unsure about the profile of the keytops. I don't think it will help with gaming.

On the other hand, this looks like it might respond well to off-axis hits.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: JinDesu on Wed, 17 September 2014, 10:53:00
To be fair, it's not that far off from the latest DAS either. It's certainly flashier/tackier, but it's got a lot of features that brings it to a similar level (except for quality).

The latest DAS at least looks awesome though. This just looks idiotic.

Well yeah, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. DAS has always been sleek and pretty (ignoring the super glossy finish on some of their older ones), while Logitech's been closer to Razer.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: dorkvader on Wed, 17 September 2014, 10:54:42
Well yeah, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. DAS has always been sleek and pretty (ignoring the super glossy finish on some of their older ones), while Logitech's been closer to Razer.
I really like the nice matte finish that DAS had on their older ones. I think they only switched to glossy for the gen 3/3.5 and gen 4 DAS KBs.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: ynrozturk on Wed, 17 September 2014, 10:57:19
Yup.

(http://mindprod.com/image/keyboard/daskeyboard.png)
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: trizkut on Wed, 17 September 2014, 11:13:17
I am unsure about the profile of the keytops. I don't think it will help with gaming.

On the other hand, this looks like it might respond well to off-axis hits.

(http://www.redline360.com/garage/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/sentra-body-kit-wood.jpg)
(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/4/4/1/41441.jpg?v=1)

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=62863.0;attach=77412;image)


Wings make you type faster, right?  :))

This looks hideous.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: MJ45 on Wed, 17 September 2014, 11:26:36
Very interesting looking switch design, if it turns out to be good it could be an alternative choice for mech-kb's. And if its good wait to see what the Korean keyboard communities do with it. "Kgbmac's & LZrgb Nerd-rgbpcb" anyone? 
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: gameaholic on Wed, 17 September 2014, 12:38:19
I might be interested if it was TKL.  These and the other new RGB keyboards like Corsair's are all competing for attention at a lan party.  I go though phases with my computer cases where I alternate between flashy and more plain.  The new switch seems interesting but one review I saw said it felt to rubber dome-ish for their tastes.  The best part of this news is the ARX control app for smartphones and pads.  I always liked the little screens for monitoring CPU and GPU temps as well as vent info or other game specific info.  Looks like you can now have that separate.   
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Grendel on Wed, 17 September 2014, 12:55:40
Still-born w/ that cap mount IMO. Ugly, expensive, too much of a gimmick -- not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: exit on Wed, 17 September 2014, 16:59:34
The design does look like something you'll see in some sci-fi spaceship BUT it is not much worse than the G502 and G402 designs so I don't see why not.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Parak on Wed, 17 September 2014, 20:13:41
I'm a bit surprised by most people here focusing on the wrong things. I don't particularly care if a keyboard is the ugliest thing ever (omg it is), or what the target market is (eh, I sometimes fit), or whether 'cracks' fit on it (rofl), or even what the layout is (to a certain extent). What I primarily care about is the switch - and if you happen to recall which switches I prefer, you'd know this to be true.

What Omron and Logitech have done here is make a brand new keyswitch, which is a far cry from what Razer did for example, where they didn't even bother to clone a clone., but merely rebadge. Although while with all due credit Matias has made a superb switch offering improving upon the status quo, their switch is also a clone of the ALPS switches. So, once again, we have Omron which has a history of making quality switches (including keyswitches) create an entirely new keyswitch, with specific and rather different accommodation for backlighting at that. That's very exciting.

So, maybe they really did make some special and awesome switch, maybe not, but I feel that this should be the primary metric upon which the keyboard is judged by us. Even if Logitech doesn't particularly care about us as a marketing demographic, as otherwise pointed out earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: demik on Wed, 17 September 2014, 20:29:43

this is so stupid.

hey lets put people we are paying to say how great our product is.

totally not bias, at all.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: epzy on Wed, 17 September 2014, 20:43:22
insta buy from me xDDd
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Tiramisuu on Wed, 17 September 2014, 20:54:35
I should drop one of these on my desk in the office.   so meh.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: cherpalla on Wed, 17 September 2014, 21:31:40
lol I made another post about this but I think it was under approval while this post was being made, I guess I'll just post it here:


This is what under the keycap look like:

https://www.facebook.com/logitechgaming/photos/a.196540319870.127238.96895859870/10152667296004871/?type=1&theater

Out of the 3 RGB keyboards I think this is the least good looking one.  It's like you guys said it looks like it's made for 12 year olds.

Just when I thought Logitech is stepping it up on mouse designs, I guess their keyboard design is still fail.

I am a bit curious about their new switch though, it is the first true "new" switch in a long while.  Hopefully it will turn out good.  :)

I think the design fits their target market of 10-25 year olds just fine.

I am curious about the switch. It is a new design and the soft-click tactile response seems interesting. I always prefer linear for gaming, but I would like to test them. I feel like I might have to make new caps for them, though.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 18 September 2014, 01:17:47
I'm curious about the switch type, too, but not enough to buy one of these. They're expensive, ugly and once again, they've let their marketing department have too much drugs free reign and they've gone nuts. "It's better because it's been tested for 70 million keypresses!"... whereas Cherry MX are rated for over 50 million. Which means there is no marked change in actuation point or operation for 50 million presses. No mention of how many presses these are actually rated for.

I don't really care about the LED thing since the best keycaps are not "backlit-compatible" anyway, not to mention they're only available with MX stems.

If the switch itself is good, we may start to see Omron selling them to other OEMs. If that happens, they may become popular enough for SP to invest in new cap stem molds. Then you could replace the caps, but until then you're stuck with those butt-ugly thin ABS things that Logitech made.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: jacobolus on Thu, 18 September 2014, 02:49:50
What Omron and Logitech have done here is make a brand new keyswitch, which is a far cry from what Razer did for example, where they didn't even bother to clone a clone., but merely rebadge. Although while with all due credit Matias has made a superb switch offering improving upon the status quo, their switch is also a clone of the ALPS switches. So, once again, we have Omron which has a history of making quality switches (including keyswitches) create an entirely new keyswitch, with specific and rather different accommodation for backlighting at that. That's very exciting.
Maybe exciting. Depends on what the switch is actually like inside. We’ll have to see once these are actually in people’s hands. From the description I saw online it sounds like they were aiming for a Cherry MX brown feeling with a slightly shorter travel to actuation and a slightly shorter throw overall.

In the “gamer switch” market, I’m curious to see what Matias’s upcoming “linear” switch (same as their other switches but with a new spring and no click leaf?) is like.

"It's better because it's been tested for 70 million keypresses!"... whereas Cherry MX are rated for over 50 million. Which means there is no marked change in actuation point or operation for 50 million presses. No mention of how many presses these are actually rated for.
Who cares? Cherry switches’ feeling changes long before even getting to 10 million keypresses, but even the most dedicated full-time player is going to have a hell of a time getting millions of keystrokes in. Everything else on the board is going to break sooner.

Here’s another marketing case of “our completely meaningless big number is bigger than your completely meaningless big number.” This one happens to be even less meaningful than megapixels or gigahertz, but whatever.

I could definitely imagine the new switches feeling nicer than Cherry MX though: that’s a really low bar to clear. ;-)

If the switch itself is good, we may start to see Omron selling them to other OEMs. If that happens, they may become popular enough for SP to invest in new cap stem molds.
I’ll give you 10 to 1 odds if you want to bet that this will happen, for any size bet smaller than the cost of fully funding new keycap tooling. :-)

I think this is about as likely as Unicomp coming out with a buckling spring Ergodox.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 18 September 2014, 02:56:34
Wow. What the hell. It seems like people think they can just highlight a WASD cluster and say anything is designed for "gamers". This is by far one of the ugliest boards I've ever seen, and that price tag is just ridiculous. Who is going to want to spend $180 on a keyboard for their 7 year old who plays LoL?
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: exit on Thu, 18 September 2014, 05:15:18
Wow. What the hell. It seems like people think they can just highlight a WASD cluster and say anything is designed for "gamers". This is by far one of the ugliest boards I've ever seen, and that price tag is just ridiculous. Who is going to want to spend $180 on a keyboard for their 7 year old who plays LoL?

Could say the same thing about the Corsair k70 or crappy razer.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: cherpalla on Thu, 18 September 2014, 07:41:45
I'm curious about the switch type, too, but not enough to buy one of these. They're expensive, ugly and once again, they've let their marketing department have too much drugs free reign and they've gone nuts. "It's better because it's been tested for 70 million keypresses!"... whereas Cherry MX are rated for over 50 million. Which means there is no marked change in actuation point or operation for 50 million presses. No mention of how many presses these are actually rated for.

I don't really care about the LED thing since the best keycaps are not "backlit-compatible" anyway, not to mention they're only available with MX stems.

If the switch itself is good, we may start to see Omron selling them to other OEMs. If that happens, they may become popular enough for SP to invest in new cap stem molds. Then you could replace the caps, but until then you're stuck with those butt-ugly thin ABS things that Logitech made.

I could just make my own caps ;)

Also, I don't think the keycaps are entirely a gimmick. Anyone who has misfired after edging another key can attest to this. I think that this is severely overdone, but it's not a bad thought entirely.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: ynrozturk on Thu, 18 September 2014, 09:04:56
Don't waste your time making caps for this... monstrosity.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 18 September 2014, 09:08:28
I'm going to agree with Parak. I'm stoked to try out a new keyswitch, especially if it's from Omron. The board may not be for me but who knows, maybe the switches are great and we can design a board around the switches.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: munch on Thu, 18 September 2014, 09:25:13
switches look cool, will see if I can try it out in a store at some point. the rest? well you all said it.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 18 September 2014, 09:52:06
I'm going to agree with Parak. I'm stoked to try out a new keyswitch, especially if it's from Omron. The board may not be for me but who knows, maybe the switches are great and we can design a board around the switches.

I really hope this new switch will have something that ensures smooth operation at all angles with reduced friction points...

Both cherry and topre, I find are unsmooth near the bottom of the keystroke.


But... overall, i'm not hopeful seeing how large that slider is..
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: tgujay on Thu, 18 September 2014, 10:11:52

this is so stupid.

hey lets put people we are paying to say how great our product is.

totally not bias, at all.

Well otherwise they would have to pay people that they aren't already paying to say their keyboard is awesome.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Thu, 18 September 2014, 10:48:10
I'm curious about the switch type, too, but not enough to buy one of these. They're expensive, ugly and once again, they've let their marketing department have too much drugs free reign and they've gone nuts. "It's better because it's been tested for 70 million keypresses!"... whereas Cherry MX are rated for over 50 million. Which means there is no marked change in actuation point or operation for 50 million presses. No mention of how many presses these are actually rated for.

I don't really care about the LED thing since the best keycaps are not "backlit-compatible" anyway, not to mention they're only available with MX stems.

If the switch itself is good, we may start to see Omron selling them to other OEMs. If that happens, they may become popular enough for SP to invest in new cap stem molds. Then you could replace the caps, but until then you're stuck with those butt-ugly thin ABS things that Logitech made.

I could just make my own caps ;)

Also, I don't think the keycaps are entirely a gimmick. Anyone who has misfired after edging another key can attest to this. I think that this is severely overdone, but it's not a bad thought entirely.

most of the comments on this thread seem to be forgetting the point that this is marketed solely towards gamers. They couldn't give a flying penguin if geekhackers don't like the design because we're not the ones that care about LEDs more than the switches. We're not the ones that buy a keyboard specifically for gaming (those 2 examples don't uniformly apply to us but may apply to specific members). We're the ones that buy aftermarket keysets that cost as much as these RGB keyboards. We're the ones buying clacks that sell on the market for more than most keyboards.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: wes1099 on Thu, 18 September 2014, 15:27:18
It looks hideous. I think that it will end up being a piece of trash, but the switches might be nice.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: davkol on Thu, 18 September 2014, 17:11:26
most of the comments on this thread seem to be forgetting the point that this is marketed solely towards idiots.
FTFY
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: C5Allroad on Thu, 18 September 2014, 17:56:06
most of the comments on this thread seem to be forgetting the point that this is marketed solely towards idiots.
FTFY
Like Razer is too? All people know is Razer and Corsair, at school that's all they talk about and then I mention Ducky or Filco and their faces go blank.

Caps look pretty cool, don't seem to provide much function. To me it seems that you would type a lot slower than a cherry profile set at first.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Roibhilin on Thu, 18 September 2014, 18:02:55
That keyboard looks like it was designed for 12 year olds. Yuck.
News flash.. 
Video games are for children
People buying mechanical keyboards are predominantly CHILDREN..
If you play video games, you've not grown up...   
Therefore, your aversion to said-kid-product is a contradiction to your own self.
I'm not saying you need to grow up, or that video game is bad, or that I'm any better..

Do no misunderstand...   I am merely explaining that your angst is misplaced and hypocritical.

I know better than to feed the tp troll, but I'll go ahead and throw you a biscuit. What exactly does a "grown up" do then? Read archaic literature, go to plays, and swill brandy? Video games are for everyone and it doesn't mean you've not "grown up" if you play them. You are implying that the activity of playing video games is for immature people. You are wrong, that is all there is to it. :)

Yes video games are for immature people... I do not claim to be "mature"..


Video game to Children can be a learning experience..

Video games to Adults, who have mastered most gaming concepts, are a mere diversion from OTHER things they could be doing...    Things with higher potential payoff..


These are not absolute terms, no,   but the majority of us PLAY video games knowing they have nothing much left to teach us...  and for the sole purpose of simulating-Progress and an evanescent sense of achievement..


I am right.. and it is you who are both shortsighted and in denial of the choices you make..
(http://puu.sh/bEDq3/7028be8e90.png)
wow are all 7k of those ergodox elitism or posts like that
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: HighhBrid on Thu, 18 September 2014, 21:34:11

this is so stupid.

hey lets put people we are paying to say how great our product is.

totally not bias, at all.

I'm not big into League, but I know that Dyrus is one of the most respected players of the game. I think it's hilarious that everyone was going on about it, but all they could get out of him was a sound bite lol...
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: cherpalla on Thu, 18 September 2014, 22:13:53
Don't waste your time making caps for this... monstrosity.

The caps are for the switches, which may actually be good. New can be cool.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: cherpalla on Thu, 18 September 2014, 22:32:55
I'm curious about the switch type, too, but not enough to buy one of these. They're expensive, ugly and once again, they've let their marketing department have too much drugs free reign and they've gone nuts. "It's better because it's been tested for 70 million keypresses!"... whereas Cherry MX are rated for over 50 million. Which means there is no marked change in actuation point or operation for 50 million presses. No mention of how many presses these are actually rated for.

I don't really care about the LED thing since the best keycaps are not "backlit-compatible" anyway, not to mention they're only available with MX stems.

If the switch itself is good, we may start to see Omron selling them to other OEMs. If that happens, they may become popular enough for SP to invest in new cap stem molds. Then you could replace the caps, but until then you're stuck with those butt-ugly thin ABS things that Logitech made.

I could just make my own caps ;)

Also, I don't think the keycaps are entirely a gimmick. Anyone who has misfired after edging another key can attest to this. I think that this is severely overdone, but it's not a bad thought entirely.

most of the comments on this thread seem to be forgetting the point that this is marketed solely towards gamers. They couldn't give a flying penguin if geekhackers don't like the design because we're not the ones that care about LEDs more than the switches. We're not the ones that buy a keyboard specifically for gaming (those 2 examples don't uniformly apply to us but may apply to specific members). We're the ones that buy aftermarket keysets that cost as much as these RGB keyboards. We're the ones buying clacks that sell on the market for more than most keyboards.

I'm not sure if you're quoting me on purpose, but I care about keycaps as much as I care about switches; I find using a keyboard to be pretty crappy if either of those aren't top-notch these days. There are plenty of gamers on this site, myself included. While most of the **** that's on these boards is completely overdone (or even completely useless), it doesn't mean there isn't something salvageable in it.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: exit on Fri, 19 September 2014, 00:37:18
most of the comments on this thread seem to be forgetting the point that this is marketed solely towards idiots.
FTFY

If you want to know what is marketed towards idiots look at the MadCatz STRIKE 7 or even the razer ****widow Chroma. Don't bash good products.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: davkol on Fri, 19 September 2014, 03:03:02
most of the comments on this thread seem to be forgetting the point that this is marketed solely towards idiots.
FTFY

If you want to know what is marketed towards idiots look at the MadCatz STRIKE 7 or even the razer ****widow Chroma. Don't bash good products.
Same marketing crap...

"shiny! colors! shiny!" whatever
"the 0.5mm difference in actuation will make you a better gamer!" yeah, true story bro
"70M cycles switch life for superb durability" who cares, if the PCB sucks?
"macro keys for an ultimate gaming experience" what they don't tell you is that macros are banned from a lot of competitive gaming and the software was designed by someone, who'd never heard of accessibility
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 19 September 2014, 05:04:01
That keyboard looks like it was designed for 12 year olds. Yuck.
News flash.. 
Video games are for children
People buying mechanical keyboards are predominantly CHILDREN..
If you play video games, you've not grown up...   
Therefore, your aversion to said-kid-product is a contradiction to your own self.
I'm not saying you need to grow up, or that video game is bad, or that I'm any better..

Do no misunderstand...   I am merely explaining that your angst is misplaced and hypocritical.

I know better than to feed the tp troll, but I'll go ahead and throw you a biscuit. What exactly does a "grown up" do then? Read archaic literature, go to plays, and swill brandy? Video games are for everyone and it doesn't mean you've not "grown up" if you play them. You are implying that the activity of playing video games is for immature people. You are wrong, that is all there is to it. :)

Yes video games are for immature people... I do not claim to be "mature"..


Video game to Children can be a learning experience..

Video games to Adults, who have mastered most gaming concepts, are a mere diversion from OTHER things they could be doing...    Things with higher potential payoff..


These are not absolute terms, no,   but the majority of us PLAY video games knowing they have nothing much left to teach us...  and for the sole purpose of simulating-Progress and an evanescent sense of achievement..


I am right.. and it is you who are both shortsighted and in denial of the choices you make..
Show Image
(http://puu.sh/bEDq3/7028be8e90.png)

wow are all 7k of those ergodox elitism or posts like that

(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/victory-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 19 September 2014, 06:22:54
Going to test the switches ASAP...

but I will definitely be wearing a blind-fold when I do so.
Title: G910 orion spark with romer-G (logitech)
Post by: STR8_AN94BALLER on Fri, 19 September 2014, 13:17:47
http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/rgb-gaming-keyboard-g910

Discuss.


Personally I would like a pure 80% version with the five macro keys still included in the left side. But hey...

Edit: Omron mechanical switches. Not the mainstream Kailh RGB. Nice gesture from Logitech to use a different solution compared to most companies nowadays (other than A4Tech B640 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62215.0))
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: MasterBash on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:39:07
So the keyboard is finally in-stock. Anyone ordered one? There is a review here : http://www.tomsguide.com/us/logitech-g910-orion-spark,review-2436.html but it doesnt say that much about it.

However, I am a bit confused about the spec at the bottom of the page :

Spectations: 60 g
Key Travel: 3.14 mm bottom out, 1.92 mm actuation
In-Key rollover: >10 keys
Size: 19.9 x 8.3 x 1.4 inches
Weight: 3.3 pounds

Hope thats a mistake, wasnt it supposed to be 1.5mm actuation and 45g?
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: pbtforever on Thu, 30 October 2014, 16:48:46
RIPster has one here:

Looks liek 45g.

(https://i.imgur.com/GOx0c42.jpg)

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/2km3vn/yep_id_say_the_new_logitech_romerg_switch/
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Roibhilin on Thu, 30 October 2014, 18:38:34
did logitech ever rationalize the awful angled keycaps
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Novus on Thu, 30 October 2014, 20:18:05
I got to beta test one of these and
Its definitely tactile 45g.

The angled keycaps are basically designed to be anti slip aka gamer wamer stuff.


Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 31 October 2014, 05:48:36
That keyboard looks like it was designed for 12 year olds. Yuck.
News flash.. 
Video games are for children
People buying mechanical keyboards are predominantly CHILDREN..
If you play video games, you've not grown up...   
Therefore, your aversion to said-kid-product is a contradiction to your own self.
I'm not saying you need to grow up, or that video game is bad, or that I'm any better..

Do no misunderstand...   I am merely explaining that your angst is misplaced and hypocritical.

I know better than to feed the tp troll, but I'll go ahead and throw you a biscuit. What exactly does a "grown up" do then? Read archaic literature, go to plays, and swill brandy? Video games are for everyone and it doesn't mean you've not "grown up" if you play them. You are implying that the activity of playing video games is for immature people. You are wrong, that is all there is to it. :)

Yes video games are for immature people... I do not claim to be "mature"..


Video game to Children can be a learning experience..

Video games to Adults, who have mastered most gaming concepts, are a mere diversion from OTHER things they could be doing...    Things with higher potential payoff..


These are not absolute terms, no,   but the majority of us PLAY video games knowing they have nothing much left to teach us...  and for the sole purpose of simulating-Progress and an evanescent sense of achievement..


I am right.. and it is you who are both shortsighted and in denial of the choices you make..
Show Image
(http://puu.sh/bEDq3/7028be8e90.png)

wow are all 7k of those ergodox elitism or posts like that

Show Image
(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/victory-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)


http://www.gamespot.com/articles/average-age-of-us-gamers-now-30/1100-6380546/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/8564342/Average-video-gamer-is-37.html

Maturity has nothing to do with gaming. Separate thing entirely. IRL you can be Mr. super straight down-the-line full of responsibility and stiffness and then buy a game and let rip. It's not about maturity, but about what you get from a game. Different people have different reasons for gaming.

Most gamers use their PC's for "serious" tasks, too and I suspect many of them don't want a bunch of flashy lights and gimmicks giving them a headache while working in Excel, but will accept that if it gives them an edge in their favourite game... Which it doesn't, but the marketing people play on their hope that it might.

Still find the switches interesting and would like to try them out, but I'm not buying this monstrosity just to do that.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: berserkfan on Fri, 31 October 2014, 08:03:04
Anyone have any opinions on the ~$179.99 price tag?

I am not about to use this keyboard, not even if they paid my $179.99 to do so. It looks like a joke and any grown up man using it in his office would be treated as a joke. I've used many a keyboard in my office, including a Model F XT and a backlit Deck (which at least looks black and unfashionable) but seriously, I can't use this. It is too embarrassing.
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: MOZ on Fri, 31 October 2014, 12:35:43
So the switches feel like browns?
Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: Findecanor on Thu, 01 January 2015, 06:56:26
Video review on HardwareCanucks

Title: Re: Logitech releases the G910 Orion Spark RGB Romer-G Mechanical Keyboard
Post by: JDorfler on Thu, 01 January 2015, 11:33:03
Logitech does make good stuff.  As long as you are a Windows user, you'll be okay.  I wouldn't buy it, or most any other Logitech product, due to their lack of Linux support.  However, with that said, I'm not judging anything I can't get a hold of.  I still sport a Logitech G-13 for FPS in Windows.  I'm trying to reteach myself to play with an actual keyboard in Linux.  So far it's going well, but some games I just need the G-13.