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geekhack Community => Input Devices => Topic started by: JPG on Wed, 24 September 2014, 12:49:12
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So, I have been using a Deathadder for a year. I really like it mostly because of the shape and also the sensor is doing a very good job for me. No problem with the software either. I am not saying it's a perfect mouse, but as far as I am concerned it has done a very very good job so far.
The thing is, while I like being able to adjust the dpi setting to what I prefer, what I use is FAR from the max dpi. I also understand that it's nice to have a wider range of dpi available (as long as they are accurate with a small incremental factor), but I just don't get it why then even try to reach a higher dpi after getting to 6k+ already. If they went with an argument of the likes "our new sensor is more precise/dependable than ever" or "even if the shape of the mouse was already super nice we managed to improve the fit by bla bla bla" I would understand, but instead here's what we get: 10000 dpi, 16.8 millions color. God they just nailed what they needed to improve on this mouse (hail sarcasm).
Now I don't say this new mouse is bad. In fact maybe this new sensor is really better than the last one that was already very good even if 99.99% for the users will have no need for such a high dpi, but god they don't try to help their reputation of selling so gaming gimmick bling bling toys.
It's not a rant about razor. I like my Deathadder and if I had to change my mouse I would consider getting another since I really like the way it fits my hand and even if other products are supposed to have a similar shape, it would still be a risk of not fitting as much as this one does. But damn I can't help but be shocked (not surprised) that they really went with some HUGE MARKETING ****TY ARGUMENTS for a very nice mouse.
I am also quite curious to see how effective this marketing approach will be. I sadly think that it will actually work. Sad ...
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3310 sensor Deathadder maybe? with custom SROM/firmware stuff like the DA2013 had (right? I don't remember wrong I hope).
if it's that, the sensor may just be better at any DPI setting. but it is likely that the rest is the same as the previous, just a new sensor, and customizable lighting - from what I can tell?
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Sadly, It's basic marketing.
People, especially the uninformed/teenagers who are their target demographic, like bigger numbers.
People will simply buy your product if you advertise that your product has a bigger number than previous versions(even if it is detrimental like it is in this case[can you imagine trying to legitimately use 10000 dpi? it's ****ing beyond belief])
This obsession with using ridiculous laser sensors with 6k+ dpi needs to stop, but I can pretty much guarantee it will not, because people buy the products.
The companies need to stick to using a DECENT sensor such as the 3090/3310/3888, and THEN focus all their efforts on making the mouse comfortable and aesthetically pleasing. Rather than designing a good looking mouse and just throwing in the highest DPI sensor they can find, despite it being riddled with flaws such as acceleration(negative and positive), smoothing issues, huge lift-off-distances.
Honestly, who can says they use, or know someone who uses over 2300 dpi and actually makes it work in gaming(what these mice are predominantly designed for).
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I had the Deathadder 2013. Good ergonomics and sensor. Exteremelly bad build quality.
Right button become oversensitive and just slight pressure on the button triggered the switch. And the buttons on thumb cluster were getting stuck in pressed state.
Roccat mouse that i also have is like a swiss watch in comparison the Razers junk.
Please dont ever jump on some Razer's marketing hype. Their products are just not worth it.
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I had the Deathadder 2013. Good ergonomics and sensor. Exteremelly bad build quality.
Right button become oversensitive and just slight pressure on the button triggered the switch. And the buttons on thumb cluster were getting stuck in pressed state.
Please dont ever jump on some Razer's marketing hype. Their products are just not worth it.
I ended up buying the Asus ROG Gladius Mouse and guess what, it's sensor might well be the DA2013's edition - ONLY situated in a decent housing made by Asus. For the first time ever a Razer sensor used inside a firm, quality housing.
Just love the feel of the mouse being IE 3.0 like with better switches and ergonomics. So far really liking with what Asus has done with this latest mouse model :thumb: .
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Sadly, It's basic marketing.
People, especially the uninformed/teenagers who are their target demographic, like bigger numbers.
People will simply buy your product if you advertise that your product has a bigger number than previous versions(even if it is detrimental like it is in this case[can you imagine trying to legitimately use 10000 dpi? it's ****ing beyond belief])
This obsession with using ridiculous laser sensors with 6k+ dpi needs to stop, but I can pretty much guarantee it will not, because people buy the products.
The companies need to stick to using a DECENT sensor such as the 3090/3310/3888, and THEN focus all their efforts on making the mouse comfortable and aesthetically pleasing. Rather than designing a good looking mouse and just throwing in the highest DPI sensor they can find, despite it being riddled with flaws such as acceleration(negative and positive), smoothing issues, huge lift-off-distances.
Honestly, who can says they use, or know someone who uses over 2300 dpi and actually makes it work in gaming(what these mice are predominantly designed for).
I disagree, there are legitimate reasons to have higher DPI,a nd many use cases where 10,000 or even 50,000 would be entirely usable and expected. In similar use cases other aspects, like lift-off distance are almost meaningless.
I have a few 8200 DPI sensors and I'm worried that they won't be enough for my application. I would feel a lot better if I had 10,000 DPI or higher, but they didn't exist at the time.
I will fully admit and agree that I wouldn't use over about 2500 DPI in a normal computer mouse though.
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Sadly, It's basic marketing.
People, especially the uninformed/teenagers who are their target demographic, like bigger numbers.
People will simply buy your product if you advertise that your product has a bigger number than previous versions(even if it is detrimental like it is in this case[can you imagine trying to legitimately use 10000 dpi? it's ****ing beyond belief])
This obsession with using ridiculous laser sensors with 6k+ dpi needs to stop, but I can pretty much guarantee it will not, because people buy the products.
The companies need to stick to using a DECENT sensor such as the 3090/3310/3888, and THEN focus all their efforts on making the mouse comfortable and aesthetically pleasing. Rather than designing a good looking mouse and just throwing in the highest DPI sensor they can find, despite it being riddled with flaws such as acceleration(negative and positive), smoothing issues, huge lift-off-distances.
Honestly, who can says they use, or know someone who uses over 2300 dpi and actually makes it work in gaming(what these mice are predominantly designed for).
I disagree, there are legitimate reasons to have higher DPI,a nd many use cases where 10,000 or even 50,000 would be entirely usable and expected. In similar use cases other aspects, like lift-off distance are almost meaningless.
I have a few 8200 DPI sensors and I'm worried that they won't be enough for my application. I would feel a lot better if I had 10,000 DPI or higher, but they didn't exist at the time.
I will fully admit and agree that I wouldn't use over about 2500 DPI in a normal computer mouse though.
What's your application, a 4 monitor osu! game? :O I can't imagine a world where 8200 DPI is not enough...
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3310 sensor Deathadder maybe? with custom SROM/firmware stuff like the DA2013 had (right? I don't remember wrong I hope).
DA 2013/Chroma is 3988, which is Razer proprietary, altough both are derived from the same platform, which is A9800.
This obsession with using ridiculous laser sensors with 6k+ dpi needs to stop, but I can pretty much guarantee it will not, because people buy the products.
The companies need to stick to using a DECENT sensor such as the 3090/3310/3888, and THEN focus all their efforts on making the mouse comfortable and aesthetically pleasing. Rather than designing a good looking mouse and just throwing in the highest DPI sensor they can find, despite it being riddled with flaws such as acceleration(negative and positive), smoothing issues, huge lift-off-distances.
Well, the "ridiculous laser sensors with 6k+ dpi" have actually brought you the 3310, and 3988 is similar, not to mention that 3310 and 3090 SROM-6x come with smoothing as well, 3310 even exhibits the same behaviour as A9800, altough on a much smaller scale.
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As stated before it's simply marketing with the big DPI numbers.
Don't most pro fps gamers use sub2k DPI? (Don't quote me on that one though)
I personally have never used an application that required such high DPI
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As stated before it's simply marketing with the big DPI numbers.
Don't most pro fps gamers use sub2k DPI? (Don't quote me on that one though)
I personally have never used an application that required such high DPI
Sounds right to me. I know most stick around 1200-1600 range. I can't even control my mouse past like 4-5k lol.
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Well I can see that if you switch to a 4K monitor that you would want something that is about four times more sensitive than what you would use for a 1080p monitor.
However, the 10000 is ridiculously stupid. Razer seems the be the master of ****ty and awful yet effective marketing.
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10000 DPI is obviously marketing BS. I use 2400 on 1080p screeen, any faster and I'd misclick icons and units in game (I play RTS).
I don't know about you guys but I have had more problems with Steelseries than Razer. My recent DA 2013 has not had any issues for 1.5 years. Only problem is that liftoff adjusment straight up doesn't work - I feel no difference from 1 to 10 - but that seems to be universal as my current Chroma does the same thing...And then Synapse keeps freezing on me every time I try to change the lighting, I have to go into task manager to close it... Despite all that sh*t I keep coming back to Razer for my mouse simply because I wasn't able to find anything else that fits my hand better. The G400/s came very close, so does the G402 but I'm not a fan of Logitech's new, cheesy design.
My first mech was also a Blackwidow, did have to RMA the first one due to dead cable but the second one held its own until I gave it to a friend. Guess I'm still lucky compared to many other Razer owners. I don't agree with their marketing strategies either, but a business's job is to make money and Razer seems to be doing that very well.
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I use 400 dpi on my g502. Max dpi is 12,000. I don't really mind that the option is there because I still can use 400dpi and the sensor is flawless and doesnt have problems.