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Title: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Tue, 30 September 2014, 15:35:18
I know I'll be getting a spare drive ready for this. Anyone else?

The Verge has a story with some details here: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/30/6868899/windows-10-availability-technical-preview-tomorrow

And MS has a blog up here: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2014/09/30/announcing-windows-10/

The start menu doesn't look like a step in the right direction to me, honestly, but I know a lot of people have been clamoring for it to come back. Personally, that never made sense to me since the new start menu business was fine (and much better after a few days of getting used to it), but I'm not typically a knee-jerk kind of person.

Also, I just want to point out, that Flock of Seagulls haircut is boss.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 30 September 2014, 15:47:31
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 September 2014, 15:48:46
wait why 10...
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 30 September 2014, 15:50:06
wait why 10...

because 'X'
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 30 September 2014, 15:51:32
What happened to 9? Or 8.2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9  :))
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 30 September 2014, 15:55:29
What happened to 9? Or 8.2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9  :))

7 8 9.  :))
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 30 September 2014, 15:57:04
What happened to 9? Or 8.2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9  :))

7 8 9.  :))

that's why 6 is scared of 7 :D
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: lightsout714 on Tue, 30 September 2014, 15:58:15
I am pretty stoked for it. Never really messed with 8 much so this should be fun and new.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Fragil1ty on Tue, 30 September 2014, 16:05:18
I know I'll be getting a spare drive ready for this. Anyone else?

The Verge has a story with some details here: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/30/6868899/windows-10-availability-technical-preview-tomorrow (http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/30/6868899/windows-10-availability-technical-preview-tomorrow)

And MS has a blog up here: http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2014/09/30/announcing-windows-10/ (http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2014/09/30/announcing-windows-10/)

The start menu doesn't look like a step in the right direction to me, honestly, but I know a lot of people have been clamoring for it to come back. Personally, that never made sense to me since the new start menu business was fine (and much better after a few days of getting used to it), but I'm not typically a knee-jerk kind of person.

Also, I just want to point out, that Flock of Seagulls haircut is boss.


I'm not going to try it out, although it will be interesting to see what the new major changes are, as I cannot really see any major differences here.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 September 2014, 16:07:25
They only reason I upgraded from XP  was because of hardware support.. PCIE, Multicore, SSD..


Those things were dramatically improved in recent times, which greatly improved people's computing experience..


Our computing experience is SO GOOD already,  I could hardly imagine making another upgrade until TOTAL robot butler gets invented..   and that is honestly limited by power densities which is 50 years away, so....

Win 7 next 50 Years...
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Tue, 30 September 2014, 16:40:31
I am pretty stoked for it. Never really messed with 8 much so this should be fun and new.
Windows 8 and 8.1 really aren't as bad as everyone made them out to be. I run it on three machines, one for gaming and two for work. That said, 8.1 was a serious improvement from 8.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 September 2014, 17:47:17
I am pretty stoked for it. Never really messed with 8 much so this should be fun and new.
Windows 8 and 8.1 really aren't as bad as everyone made them out to be. I run it on three machines, one for gaming and two for work. That said, 8.1 was a serious improvement from 8.

It's not bad AT ALL..  the h8ers just love to h8...

There are no REAL changes in 8 from 7..... it's just got a new dress...  and if you don't wanna pay for that, Don't...   but as h8ers ...  they MUST tell you how much they won't pay for the dress ONTOP of Not-paying for the dress.

(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/hehe-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Tiramisuu on Tue, 30 September 2014, 18:23:47
I'm holding out for a re release of xp
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 September 2014, 18:24:47
I'm holding out for a re release of xp

XP remastered HD edition..
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 30 September 2014, 18:37:38
What happened to 9? Or 8.2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9  :))

7 8 9.  :))

that's why 6 is scared of 7 :D

Young Jedi, 6 7 8!
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 30 September 2014, 18:48:57
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Yup. Microsoft has made no move to force a change, so why would I buy a new version when the old version works perfectly? When 3rd parties start dropping 7 support is when I'll make a change.
By then Win 12 will be out :))
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 30 September 2014, 18:57:15
There are no REAL changes in 8 from 7..... it's just got a new dress...  and if you don't wanna pay for that, Don't...   but as h8ers ...  they MUST tell you how much they won't pay for the dress ONTOP of Not-paying for the dress.

I think you've been sipping something toxic here, Win 8 has that ABORTION known to everyone here as METRO.  The most useless piece of crap ever to come from Redmond.  In fact if you traced back all the garbage released by them this ranks up there with Vista and ME as the most horrendous, putrid smell of cretinous software ever attached to any operating system, just like some sort of trojan.

At least with traditional trojans you can eventually remove it but not Metro, it sits there taking up valuable ram and hard drive space for no reason other than for Microsoft to force people into their gawd awful store and buy worthless crud (never needed).  That is why Windows 8 is a total, fvcking failure and will continue to be unless until the morons at head office slice it away like an ugly tumour growth, then maybe Win 8 can survive.  More than likely it'll head into the Vista Morgue for a decent cut up and burial where it belongs  >:D .
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 September 2014, 19:05:36
There are no REAL changes in 8 from 7..... it's just got a new dress...  and if you don't wanna pay for that, Don't...   but as h8ers ...  they MUST tell you how much they won't pay for the dress ONTOP of Not-paying for the dress.

I think you've been sipping something toxic here, Win 8 has that ABORTION known to everyone here as METRO.  The most useless piece of crap ever to come from Redmond.  In fact if you traced back all the garbage released by them this ranks up there with Vista and ME as the most horrendous, putrid smell of cretinous software ever attached to any operating system, just like some sort of trojan.

At least with traditional trojans you can eventually remove it but not Metro, it sits there taking up valuable ram and hard drive space for no reason other than for Microsoft to force people into their gawd awful store and buy worthless crud (never needed).  That is why Windows 8 is a total, fvcking failure and will continue to be unless until the morons at head office slice it away like an ugly tumour growth, then maybe Win 8 can survive.  More than likely it'll head into the Vista Morgue for a decent cut up and burial where it belongs  >:D .

Metro is a stylistic choice..  it's not crippling to modern hardware.. 

I wouldn't say that's a problem...  it's not like they force you to use Win 8, you can still use 7.. just don't switch..

if you h8 metro, just don't use 8..

Like I said, 8 is just a new dress...  metro is no reason to h8 on win 8 though..
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Smasher816 on Tue, 30 September 2014, 19:13:24
The snapping and multiple desktops makes me happy, and will make coming back from a tiling WM on linux not quite so painful.

Making store apps act like normal windows is great and might actually cause people to it to find programs. I know I never used apps because they were huge fullscreen programs that took me away from whatever I was doing before.

I dont' agree with everything but I do think they are making some changes for the better.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: strict on Tue, 30 September 2014, 19:15:52
The most logical reason I've seen hypothesized for why Microsoft decided against including "9" in the name of the next version of windows is that there is likely still software out there that tries to determine if it's running on Win95/98 by looking to see if a "9" can be found in the OS string. By skipping the number 9 they can avoid some potential headache dealing with other peoples ****ty code.

crude vbscript example
Code: [Select]
if ( InStr(OSver, "9") ) Then
   WScript.Echo "win9x found"
Else
   WScript.Echo "some other version of windows"
End If
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 September 2014, 19:24:37
The most logical reason I've seen hypothesized for why Microsoft decided against including "9" in the name of the next version of windows is that there is likely still software out there that try's to determine if it's running on Win95/98 by looking to see if a "9" can be found in the OS string. By skipping the number 9 they can avoid some potential headache dealing with other peoples ****ty code.

crude vbscript example
Code: [Select]
if ( InStr(OSver, "9") ) Then
   WScript.Echo "win9x found"
Else
   WScript.Echo "some other version of windows"
End If

hrmm..... makes sense...... 
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: dorkvader on Tue, 30 September 2014, 19:55:04

I'm not going to try it out, although it will be interesting to see what the new major changes are, as I cannot really see any major differences here.

The important changes are all behind the scenes, but the changes all the people worry about are meaningless UI tweaks.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Vibex on Tue, 30 September 2014, 19:57:44

I'm not going to try it out, although it will be interesting to see what the new major changes are, as I cannot really see any major differences here.

The important changes are all behind the scenes, but the changes all the people worry about are meaningless UI tweaks.
I beg to differ on UI being meaningless (though I might be a bit biased  :))). But I know what you mean.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 30 September 2014, 20:52:42
I think you've been sipping something toxic here, Win 8 has that ABOMINATION known to everyone here as METRO.
FTFY

At least with traditional trojans you can eventually remove it but not Metro, it sits there taking up valuable ram and hard drive space for no reason other than for Microsoft to force people into their gawd awful store and buy worthless crud (never needed).
Yep. Who has used that store anyway? (except for accessing the free upgrade from 8 to 8.1)

Metro is a stylistic choice..  it's not crippling to modern hardware.. 
Metro is bloat. Bloat is bloat. Bloat is bad.

The important changes are all behind the scenes, but the changes all the people worry about are meaningless UI tweaks.
I've heard that the handling of multiple monitors has been improved significantly, and that does matter to people.
(I have yet to use 8.1 with multiple monitors myself though, so I can't comment more.)

By skipping the number 9 they can avoid some potential headache dealing with other peoples ****ty code.
If that was the real reason, .... <facepalm>.

There is an internal version number that is different from the marketing number. Windows 8.1 does actually have version number 6.3. Real program code checks for that. There are already lots of incompatibility with old ****ty programs. Let the bad programs die, I'd say!
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 30 September 2014, 21:13:42
I'm still using Windows XP at home.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 30 September 2014, 22:25:28
I'm still using Windows XP at home.

One of the few smart men here on Geekhack  :thumb: .  The poor bastards at Redmond is quickly shoving Windows 8 into it's crypt faster than Vista, goes to show how confident they were for it's longevity in the world of Computers  :)) .

As it stands now, WINDOWS 7 and Windows XP will be used by business for many decades to come simply because of Microsoft's complete stupidity in publishing and selling the current monstrosity, pretending to be an OS of some sort.  Very glad to see them setting them selves for a major fall in the coming years when it comes to profits and share holding within the business community.

I always wanted to see Microsoft shaft itself in such a way that it will most probably be splintered off in small chunks for sale, but who would waste valuable money buying into Redmond's current failures within key business services and products  ??? ?
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: inanis on Tue, 30 September 2014, 22:33:41
I'll be happy if the new server version isn't treated as a desktop OS. Whoever came up with putting Metro in Server2012 should be shot out of a canon. It is nearly impossible to use. Who has a touchscreen in a datacenter! It is even worse running as a VM. I don't know what they were thinking. Just because you don't have to use the GUI doesn't mean they should make it a nightmare for those who do.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 30 September 2014, 22:39:49
I'll be happy if the new server version isn't treated as a desktop OS. Whoever came up with putting Metro in Server2012 should be shot out of a canon. It is nearly impossible to use. Who has a touchscreen in a datacenter! It is even worse running as a VM. I don't know what they were thinking. Just because you don't have to use the GUI doesn't mean they should make it a nightmare for those who do.

Windows, to me, is still a single user gaming operating system.  Due to the proliferation of hardware and drivers, it is reasonably good at that.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: inanis on Tue, 30 September 2014, 22:46:57
I'll be happy if the new server version isn't treated as a desktop OS. Whoever came up with putting Metro in Server2012 should be shot out of a canon. It is nearly impossible to use. Who has a touchscreen in a datacenter! It is even worse running as a VM. I don't know what they were thinking. Just because you don't have to use the GUI doesn't mean they should make it a nightmare for those who do.

Windows, to me, is still a single user gaming operating system.  Due to the proliferation of hardware and drivers, it is reasonably good at that.

The server platform is quite good. I know people like to give Windows a hard time and it isn't the "cool" choice, but Server 2003 was very reliable and it was not treated as though it was a desktop OS. 2008, while the look and feel was very different, still was a very solid server OS. 2012 might be the best thing on the planet, but the struggle to do things do basic things is beyond annoying. Yes, you can create shortcuts, yes there are multiple was to access things, but WHY did they have to make something that was so easy so flipping difficult. And when you are working in a VM and have you have to get your mouse juuuust right in order to trigger the menu, it can make you lose your mind. One pixel over and your not in the VM anymore, but one pixel the other way and you get no menu. Drives me crazy I tell you.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Tue, 30 September 2014, 23:05:32
I'm still using Windows XP at home.

One of the few smart men here on Geekhack  :thumb: .  The poor bastards at Redmond is quickly shoving Windows 8 into it's crypt faster than Vista, goes to show how confident they were for it's longevity in the world of Computers  :)) .

As it stands now, WINDOWS 7 and Windows XP will be used by business for many decades to come simply because of Microsoft's complete stupidity in publishing and selling the current monstrosity, pretending to be an OS of some sort.  Very glad to see them setting them selves for a major fall in the coming years when it comes to profits and share holding within the business community.

I always wanted to see Microsoft shaft itself in such a way that it will most probably be splintered off in small chunks for sale, but who would waste valuable money buying into Redmond's current failures within key business services and products  ??? ?
Windos XP came out in October of 20001.

Windows Vista came out in January of 2007.

Windows 7 came out in October of 2009.

Windows 8 came out in October of 2012.

Windows 10 is scheduled for "late" next year.

So, that's just a little over five years between XP and Vista. Just about three years between Vista and 7. Another three between 7 and 8. And now it's going to be just about three years between 8 and 10. Your logic isn't too good.

Any halfway intelligent business is dumping XP as fast as it can. The company I work for shut down the final few Windows XP machines when I started with them last year. It's a major security blight for any company that hasn't elected to finally move on from an OS that is old enough to like the Twilight series. And while I'll admit that Windows 8 server products are pretty odd for including the "Modern" user interface in lieu of something more business styled, it's really odd that a business would purposely lag behind in terms of technology because of a UI hiccup. And that's all it really is. At the end of the day, if you're not smart enough to find your way out of the Modern UI to the desktop... well, I don't know. There isn't a good phrase for that.

Either way, those praying for Microsoft to fail will continue to hold their breaths. Windows 10 will be reluctantly adopted by many, people will ***** that it's not like Windows XP, and the rest of us will use it because it's probably going to be a fine operating system, iteratively better, just like every other OS released in the last decade or two.

Or you could buy a Mac or evangelize Linux. Whatever.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 30 September 2014, 23:34:09
Mac's biggest mistake, is that they don't let people pirate their software...   That is the SUREFIRE way to gain market share..
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: rowdy on Wed, 01 October 2014, 01:00:09
Mac's biggest mistake, is that they don't let people pirate their software...   That is the SUREFIRE way to gain market share..

Most commercial vendors do not let people pirate their software!

In Apple's case, they limit by licence that you can only install OS X on Apple-branded hardware, and further try to enforce that by only implementing drivers for Apple-built hardware.  Those drivers happen to work with similar third-party hardware, hence the rise of the Hackintosh.

OS X can be downloaded for free from the App Store.

Microsoft are yet to provide free downloads of their operating systems.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 01 October 2014, 01:52:05
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Same here.

I dual booted for 8 and hated it. Went back to windows 7 only partition. It's perfect.

Now another new OS? Damnit.. Hopefully I can use 7 forever.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: byker on Wed, 01 October 2014, 01:55:55
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Same here.

I dual booted for 8 and hated it. Went back to windows 7 only partition. It's perfect.

Now another new OS? Damnit.. Hopefully I can use 7 forever.

After disabling metro and using Classic Start menu, I have no complaints with 8..
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: dustinhxc on Wed, 01 October 2014, 01:56:32
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Same here.

I dual booted for 8 and hated it. Went back to windows 7 only partition. It's perfect.

Now another new OS? Damnit.. Hopefully I can use 7 forever.

After disabling metro and using Classic Start menu, I have no complaints with 8..

That sounds decent actually. Good tweaks!
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: byker on Wed, 01 October 2014, 02:21:25
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Same here.

I dual booted for 8 and hated it. Went back to windows 7 only partition. It's perfect.

Now another new OS? Damnit.. Hopefully I can use 7 forever.

After disabling metro and using Classic Start menu, I have no complaints with 8..

That sounds decent actually. Good tweaks!

Yeah, in my experience it looks and feels like 7 but a little bit faster!
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: atlas3686 on Wed, 01 October 2014, 03:41:16
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Same here.

I dual booted for 8 and hated it. Went back to windows 7 only partition. It's perfect.

Now another new OS? Damnit.. Hopefully I can use 7 forever.

After disabling metro and using Classic Start menu, I have no complaints with 8..

This^

8 is actually perfectly fine just need to do some tweaking. It does have some under the hood improvements on 7 that are worth the effort.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 01 October 2014, 04:08:34
I used windows 8 on a brand new laptop with a touch screen. Before I realised it had a touch screen, it was really really horrible to use. But after it kind of made sense. I have no idea how you could use it on a desktop.

I like the look of the different windows and stuff on 10, but I'm not going to be over eager to swap over to it. I will stick to 7 until I know it's worth it to move to 10.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: The Mad Professor on Wed, 01 October 2014, 21:06:52
wait why 10...

Apparently, the experimental Windows 9 was so horrible, so awful, so Lovecraftian that they've decided to erase all evidence that it ever existed. Somewhere there's a secret insane asylum with mad programmers scrawling disjointed computer code on the walls, and endless repetitions of the number "9".
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: PointyFox on Wed, 01 October 2014, 21:26:48
They skipped 9 because it is too psychologically close to 8, which everyone knows is an abomination.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Wed, 01 October 2014, 21:49:00
The most logical reason I've seen hypothesized for why Microsoft decided against including "9" in the name of the next version of windows is that there is likely still software out there that try's to determine if it's running on Win95/98 by looking to see if a "9" can be found in the OS string. By skipping the number 9 they can avoid some potential headache dealing with other peoples ****ty code.

crude vbscript example
Code: [Select]
if ( InStr(OSver, "9") ) Then
   WScript.Echo "win9x found"
Else
   WScript.Echo "some other version of windows"
End If

It's starting to sound like this is valid: http://www.cnet.com/news/is-this-why-microsoft-named-it-windows-10/
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 01 October 2014, 22:14:53
They skipped 9 because it is too psychologically close to 8, which everyone knows is an abomination.

The real word here is ABOMINATION  :thumb: .  That's basically what Microsoft has been producing since 2012 and it' getting worse by the looks of it.  Don't think that 10 is going to save them hence they'll do the usual stuff of pouring millions of dollars into promoting their latest abortion, hoping that the shills out there will do their paid task, of pushing it hard to the moronic everywhere (which is pretty easy to do).

Shame that they've lost their way from the busniess desktop's in favour of the Phone-using Mafia Clans  ::) .
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Wed, 01 October 2014, 22:42:59
Oi vey. You do realize they've had other stinkers, right? Windows 98 before the SE release was pretty rough around the edges. Windows ME was utter crap in almost every way. Windows XP before SP2 was actually pretty rough in a lot of ways. Windows Vista wasn't nearly as bad as most people made it out to be, but was heralded as one of the worst releases in recent memory.

And, yeah, Windows 8 hasn't exactly had the best reputation, but I've found most people who bag on Windows 8 really haven't ever used it. I bought a Surface Pro in March and had been running Windows 7 on my work laptop and my gaming desktop up to that point. After about a week of using Windows 8, I was inclined to upgrade both my gaming desktop and work laptop to normalize my experience among my machines. My work laptop, in particular, got a HUGE speed boost with no changes in hardware. It boots considerably faster and just seems way, way snappier and this was going from a relatively clean install of Windows 7 to Windows 8.1.

I would ask for those of you bagging on Windows 8 if you've used either 8 or 8.1 at all. I mean, I'm no evangelist for Microsoft, but some people really drive me batty with their assertions that Windows 8 is somehow the worst OS ever without so much as using it for more than a few seconds.

Either way, I've pulled the download and burned to disc. I'll be installing this on my spare desktop this weekend. I'm pretty excited to give it a spin.

For those interested: http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/1/6877195/windows-10-technical-preview-download
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 October 2014, 01:08:53
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Oh no! Go away scary change!!
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Halvar on Thu, 02 October 2014, 01:25:16
We haven't even seen their new business model for Windows!

If they really think they can change Windows to a cloud-based subscription product Bill G & Steve B should better sell their stocks fast.   
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: RED-404 on Thu, 02 October 2014, 01:41:25
So umm the command prompt will finally get Ctrl+C and stuff so that's something. It's good to see windows catching up to *nix, BeOS, Netware, OSX, vending machines and my router.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 02 October 2014, 02:42:00
If they really think they can change Windows to a cloud-based subscription product Bill G & Steve B should better sell their stocks fast.

That will be the ONLY concept for Windows 10, everything has to be installed on Cloud servers - then watch the complete collapse of essential data as they come to realize the very fault of depending upon the "Cloud"  :'( .

Any business relying on Cloud based functions deserves utter decimation and ridicule  8) .
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 October 2014, 03:20:35
So anyone here actually used the preview build yet? Or are we all just crying and *****ing about something we don't understand?
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Thu, 02 October 2014, 08:01:54
So anyone here actually used the preview build yet? Or are we all just crying and *****ing about something we don't understand?
I got as far as downloading it yesterday and burning it to disc last night. Work hit me like a dump truck yesterday. I have to get a machine backed up and get it installed on said machine... so I'll have it going this weekend. Pretty excited!
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Hundrakia on Thu, 02 October 2014, 12:13:00
So far, I'm enjoying it. There's a window snap feature that when you snap half screen (like to the right side) you get a floating menu of what you want to snap to the right, be it desktop or another open window. Kudos on that, but this was like 30 minutes of use.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 02 October 2014, 12:18:21
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Oh no! Go away scary change!!

No reason to change if Windows 7 does everything I want/need. :P
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 October 2014, 12:42:47
(http://i.imgur.com/AbUe5RH.png)

almost ready!
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: The Mad Professor on Thu, 02 October 2014, 13:18:36
I still hate the Flat Design of the GUI.

Flat Design is the Mega Bloks of software design.

(https://s1.megabrandsmedia.com/catalog/products/megabloks-big-building-bag-classic-80-pieces-8327-6635.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Thu, 02 October 2014, 13:20:41
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Oh no! Go away scary change!!

No reason to change if Windows 7 does everything I want/need. :P

That's one of the most peculiar feelings toward technology that I see expressed almost every day. Sure, the feature set in Windows 7 was pretty complete and good for 2009, but if an OS is innovative, it'll introduce stuff that you never knew you might want or benefit from. Snapping is one of those things, honestly. And I'm glad that Windows is finally introducing a native multiple-desktop management tool. That will be infinitely handy for my work machine.

I mean, at the end of the day, a conventional oven did everything I needed, but I still own a microwave, too.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: RED-404 on Thu, 02 October 2014, 13:24:34
I like flat, clean, sharp corners, but don't like the thick borders, it's a waste of screen space. I really don't like the old bubley rounded corners crap M$ had for years.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 October 2014, 13:24:40
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Oh no! Go away scary change!!

No reason to change if Windows 7 does everything I want/need. :P

If 9 works like 7, but has the updates to optimisation that 8 has and more, then 9 would be a vast improvement over 7. I see no reason to be against it, or to not want to try it... 8 was a step back in alot of directions but not everything about it was terrible... and 7 was far from perfect.

People said the same about XP prior to 7's launch becasue of all the stupid driver issues from 3rd parties at Vista's launch... but XP is actual ****.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: The Mad Professor on Thu, 02 October 2014, 13:26:25
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Oh no! Go away scary change!!

No reason to change if Windows 7 does everything I want/need. :p

That's one of the most peculiar feelings toward technology that I see expressed almost every day. Sure, the feature set in Windows 7 was pretty complete and good for 2009, but if an OS is innovative, it'll introduce stuff that you never knew you might want or benefit from. Snapping is one of those things, honestly. And I'm glad that Windows is finally introducing a native multiple-desktop management tool. That will be infinitely handy for my work machine.

I mean, at the end of the day, a conventional oven did everything I needed, but I still own a microwave, too.

You young'uns and yer new-fangled technology... I still hunt and kill my dinner with a spear made from flint and a branch, and cook it over an open fire! If it was good enough for my ancestors, it's good enough for me!

(http://cdn.overclock.net/f/f4/f4d3ab81_angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://cdn.overclock.net/f/f4/f4d3ab81_angry-old-man-smiley-emoticon.gif)
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 02 October 2014, 13:30:58
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Oh no! Go away scary change!!

No reason to change if Windows 7 does everything I want/need. :P

That's one of the most peculiar feelings toward technology that I see expressed almost every day. Sure, the feature set in Windows 7 was pretty complete and good for 2009, but if an OS is innovative, it'll introduce stuff that you never knew you might want or benefit from. Snapping is one of those things, honestly. And I'm glad that Windows is finally introducing a native multiple-desktop management tool. That will be infinitely handy for my work machine.

I mean, at the end of the day, a conventional oven did everything I needed, but I still own a microwave, too.

snapping is good.. I'll give um that..

Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 October 2014, 13:32:53
I still hate the Flat Design of the GUI.

Flat Design is the Mega Bloks of software design.

Show Image
(https://s1.megabrandsmedia.com/catalog/products/megabloks-big-building-bag-classic-80-pieces-8327-6635.jpg)


inorite? 3D desktops are so much better!!!

(http://sillydog.org/graph/temp/project_looking_glass01.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 02 October 2014, 13:41:12
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Oh no! Go away scary change!!

No reason to change if Windows 7 does everything I want/need. :p

That's one of the most peculiar feelings toward technology that I see expressed almost every day. Sure, the feature set in Windows 7 was pretty complete and good for 2009, but if an OS is innovative, it'll introduce stuff that you never knew you might want or benefit from. Snapping is one of those things, honestly. And I'm glad that Windows is finally introducing a native multiple-desktop management tool. That will be infinitely handy for my work machine.

I mean, at the end of the day, a conventional oven did everything I needed, but I still own a microwave, too.

Corporate IT says no new OS's until they've been out for at least a year and have a service pack issued.  ^-^
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Thu, 02 October 2014, 14:02:39
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Oh no! Go away scary change!!

No reason to change if Windows 7 does everything I want/need. :p

That's one of the most peculiar feelings toward technology that I see expressed almost every day. Sure, the feature set in Windows 7 was pretty complete and good for 2009, but if an OS is innovative, it'll introduce stuff that you never knew you might want or benefit from. Snapping is one of those things, honestly. And I'm glad that Windows is finally introducing a native multiple-desktop management tool. That will be infinitely handy for my work machine.

I mean, at the end of the day, a conventional oven did everything I needed, but I still own a microwave, too.

Corporate IT says no new OS's until they've been out for at least a year and have a service pack issued.  ^-^

I saw your post before you edited it. I get where you're coming from, but I also still feel that new tech is sometimes worth an investment of time.

Either way, we are left to the calling of our IT overlords, right? Oh, never mind. I am my own. Yay!
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 October 2014, 14:39:26
It's a real pain in the ass having to burn an iso to a disc before I can install it to a partition... why can't the exe software ****e that works with windows updater do it??


where the hell do you buy dvd's from these days that isn't amazon, and that isn't in a pack of 100 or something silly..
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: rowdy on Thu, 02 October 2014, 15:17:52
I plan on using Windows 7 for as long as possible.

Oh no! Go away scary change!!

No reason to change if Windows 7 does everything I want/need. :p

That's one of the most peculiar feelings toward technology that I see expressed almost every day. Sure, the feature set in Windows 7 was pretty complete and good for 2009, but if an OS is innovative, it'll introduce stuff that you never knew you might want or benefit from. Snapping is one of those things, honestly. And I'm glad that Windows is finally introducing a native multiple-desktop management tool. That will be infinitely handy for my work machine.

I mean, at the end of the day, a conventional oven did everything I needed, but I still own a microwave, too.

Corporate IT says no new OS's until they've been out for at least a year and have a service pack issued.  ^-^

I saw your post before you edited it. I get where you're coming from, but I also still feel that new tech is sometimes worth an investment of time.

Either way, we are left to the calling of our IT overlords, right? Oh, never mind. I am my own. Yay!

Despite Microsoft's minimum requirements, most OS major upgrades require a refresh of hardware.

Most large corporations don't want to buy 10,000 new PCs every 2 or 3 years just to keep up with operating systems, especially if there are application compatibility issues.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Thu, 02 October 2014, 15:35:29
I'm running Windows 8 on a three-year-old desktop without any issues. I'm currently installing Windows Technical Preview on a desktop that's roughly six years old. My work laptop is probably 3+ years old, too, running Windows 8.1 without a qualm.

I don't think they're pushing hardware as hard as they used to for the OS's sake. The real hardware requirements come in to play with the software you'll be using. A Core 2 Duo with 4GB should fly through Windows 10 when it comes out, which is what I'm installing the Technical Preview on.

From this article:http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690912/trying-windows-10-tech-preview-keep-these-7-things-in-mind.html

Quote
System requirements include a 1GHz or faster processor, 1GB of RAM for the 32-bit version and 2GB of RAM for the 64-bit version, and 16GB of free hard disk space.

I mean it's really not pushing the envelope on hardware requirements.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: RED-404 on Thu, 02 October 2014, 16:07:06
It can really run on a slower system the minimum specs are really an attempt to minimize the chance that someone will try to install on a system without PAE, NX, and SSE2 which won't work...
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Thu, 02 October 2014, 16:10:42
Woohoo. Posting from a Core 2 Duo with 4GB of RAM and Windows Technical Preview is snappy as hell!

The Start Menu, while it will appease the majority, is a weird step backward. I get why they're doing it, but it really doesn't make sense after using Windows 8/8.1 for a week. Whatever, though.

Install was relatively fast. I upgraded over Windows 7 and apart from one motherboard device I need to identify and get a driver for, the install has no issues. Everything is still in place. Seems solid on a quick impression. VirtualBox is hosed, however. I'll have to research that. Had been using it to run Windows XP so I could use the Aikon software to set my Gon keyboard up. If anyone has another workable suggestion on that, I'm all ears, otherwise I'll set VirtualBox up on another machine and copy my VM over.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Hundrakia on Thu, 02 October 2014, 16:13:05
Mine is running on an old unit as well, over a raid 0 I popped over some old HHD's. It indeed is snappy, in contrast to windows 7/8. Not quite as fast as the Arch I had on there before.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: strict on Thu, 02 October 2014, 16:35:20
I'm kind of surprised that they're releasing an x86 version of Win10. I had hoped\imagined that by now they would be able to justify letting 32 bit systems go extinct.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Halvar on Thu, 02 October 2014, 16:42:34
I have Win 8.1 32 bit running on a very nice Atom tablet -- there's no need and no advantage with a 64 bit version on that.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 02 October 2014, 16:44:06
WINX
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Thu, 02 October 2014, 17:13:58
I'm also kind of surprised they don't ditch x86. I don't think there are many cpu that meet the instruction set requirements that aren't also x64 capable. Even on low spec atoms... there is no detriment to running x64 even if there is no real advantage. Seems like things might go better if there are less branches to support. I think thats why they killed x86 in the server side.
System requirements have gone back down since 7. Even on the bare minimum it's useable as long as the OS drive is an SSD.
I dislike the new start menu implementation. It's going backwards and just to appease those who hate change. I thought there was supposed to be an option to have 8.x style, or I am missing something. Other UI stuff is cool, running modern apps windowed is better for multitasking to be sure. More interested in under the hood stuff though. I really wish they would fix sleep... **** still dosen't sleep properly if it's in a homegroup or if you ever open an rdp session on a machine that is still up unless reboot to fully sever.
I don't think I will be updating to 10 unless its free. Not enough to be willing to pay anything for over 8.1. This **** should be a feature/service pack like they were originally going to do not a whole new OS.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: RED-404 on Thu, 02 October 2014, 17:23:34
Yeah M$ needs to ditch 3͖̗̣̱͉2͚̺̥̩b̦͈̻̺̲͖̖̮̦i̪̥͇͈͕͈̹̪ț̱̙̼̣͇̠̟ Its starting to get a little glitchy and insecure without DEP, PatchGuard, ect.

Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Fri, 03 October 2014, 07:34:13
Turns out 10gb isn't enough space for winx... so lets try 100gb...
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: evolveS on Fri, 03 October 2014, 09:13:20
There's a checkbox in the Start Menu properties to switch back to the Windows 8 style start screen instead of the Windows 10 Start menu.

After the 8.1 changes to the start screen made it usable, I'm less attached to the old start menu. With the Win+X shortcuts it's also easier to get into the system settings instead of typing them into the search bar.

I'd really like to see an Openbox-eqsue start menu implementation where a key combination pops up a menu from where your cursor is. It's a shame Litestep isn't still under development...
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Fri, 03 October 2014, 09:13:23
Alright, just been playing with it a bunch and god damn... if they can get this right... WinX will be a HUGE improvement over Win7.

(http://i.imgur.com/M5qfpPN.png)


If and when programs you can pin to the start menu get good (like a twitter live feed, or fb live feed) your start menu becomes 10x more powerful and means you don't have to have so many tabs or windows open on your browser (which is something I feel has become the bane of modern computing).

Having so much more control over your windows is also pretty damn awesome... now I just have to start to live with it for a week or so and see how much better it feels compared to Win7 and if I can actually do and get more done.
Installing/downloading Starcraft 2 atm!
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 03 October 2014, 10:39:50
I feel like the first thing people r gonna do... is turn off MOST of the new stuff

then it'll pretty much look like window 7

Just like how on Window 7 , i turn off all the new stuff so it looks like XP


Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Fri, 03 October 2014, 11:40:38
Well, after trying to config some settings in sc2, winX bsod'd on me and when it rebooted wouldn't let me login becasue I wasn't connected to the internets becasue my network adapter had also crashed :/
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Fri, 03 October 2014, 11:46:34
What's the error message you get when you attempt to log in? Windows 8.1 allows offline login based on the last password your Live account was using when it was last online, assuming you're tied to a Live account. I find it odd that they would elect to change that in Windows Technical Preview, unless it's something related to the reporting it does.

Either way, weird. You would have to assume there would be times you would be offline.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Fri, 03 October 2014, 12:45:02
Windows 8.1 allows offline login based on the last password your Live account was using when it was last online

Thats what it said, but my login dsnt have a password... but I guess misunderstood which account it was talking about...
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Fri, 03 October 2014, 14:25:57
Well had my second bsod, pretty sure it my network adapter... Not much I can do about it though :/
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Limewirelord on Fri, 03 October 2014, 15:11:29
Guys, make sure you use the Windows Feedback app as much as you can.  It takes very little time and you can suggest what or how something should be implemented or if you like or don't like things.  You can also just vote "Me too" on an issue that already exists.

Working fine on a VM but the charms bar never shows up...
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: baldgye on Fri, 03 October 2014, 15:20:18
Working fine on a VM but the charms bar never shows up...

There isn't one...
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: slip84 on Sat, 04 October 2014, 09:37:37
For anyone maybe using VirtualBox and getting weird kernel-related errors on starting a VM, downgrade to 4.3.12 if you're running 4.3.16. Fixed my VM.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 10 October 2014, 13:01:25
I put Windows 10 on a machine at work to test it out and it looks very promising. The new start menu design certainly has potential.

I read online that Microsoft decided to not call it "Windows 9" because it sounds too much like "Windows 98". Just can't unseat the king of operating systems I guess.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: atlas3686 on Mon, 13 October 2014, 01:56:53
I'm also kind of surprised they don't ditch x86. I don't think there are many cpu that meet the instruction set requirements that aren't also x64 capable. Even on low spec atoms... there is no detriment to running x64 even if there is no real advantage. Seems like things might go better if there are less branches to support. I think thats why they killed x86 in the server side.
System requirements have gone back down since 7. Even on the bare minimum it's useable as long as the OS drive is an SSD.
I dislike the new start menu implementation. It's going backwards and just to appease those who hate change. I thought there was supposed to be an option to have 8.x style, or I am missing something. Other UI stuff is cool, running modern apps windowed is better for multitasking to be sure. More interested in under the hood stuff though. I really wish they would fix sleep... **** still dosen't sleep properly if it's in a homegroup or if you ever open an rdp session on a machine that is still up unless reboot to fully sever.
I don't think I will be updating to 10 unless its free. Not enough to be willing to pay anything for over 8.1. This **** should be a feature/service pack like they were originally going to do not a whole new OS.

Agreed, wish they would do more under the hood, fixing sleep would be a great start. It's one of the things that really annoys me moving between OS X and Windows, how is OS X sleep so good and windows so **** :(
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: osi on Tue, 21 October 2014, 18:05:42
Put the tech preview on a very low end machine with an ssd equipped. Runs fine so far but haven't gotten too friendly with it yet.

The multiple desktops feature has a lot of room to grow
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 24 October 2014, 10:40:00
I'm also kind of surprised they don't ditch x86. I don't think there are many cpu that meet the instruction set requirements that aren't also x64 capable. Even on low spec atoms... there is no detriment to running x64 even if there is no real advantage. Seems like things might go better if there are less branches to support. I think thats why they killed x86 in the server side.
System requirements have gone back down since 7. Even on the bare minimum it's useable as long as the OS drive is an SSD.
I dislike the new start menu implementation. It's going backwards and just to appease those who hate change. I thought there was supposed to be an option to have 8.x style, or I am missing something. Other UI stuff is cool, running modern apps windowed is better for multitasking to be sure. More interested in under the hood stuff though. I really wish they would fix sleep... **** still dosen't sleep properly if it's in a homegroup or if you ever open an rdp session on a machine that is still up unless reboot to fully sever.
I don't think I will be updating to 10 unless its free. Not enough to be willing to pay anything for over 8.1. This **** should be a feature/service pack like they were originally going to do not a whole new OS.

Retaining an X86 platform is important for working with legacy equipment. I have a printer from 1994 that doesn't have any X64 drivers. Many other cases of specialized equipment exist as well. With an X86 version of Windows 10, at least people will be able to work with 16-bit software and drivers on a modern platform.

Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: strict on Fri, 24 October 2014, 11:51:34
Retaining an X86 platform is important for working with legacy equipment. I have a printer from 1994 that doesn't have any X64 drivers. Many other cases of specialized equipment exist as well. With an X86 version of Windows 10, at least people will be able to work with 16-bit software and drivers on a modern platform.

(http://i.imgur.com/nSb4COE.jpg)
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Fri, 24 October 2014, 17:03:10
What I would do if I were MS is release a product called Windows Legacy. That OS would be a modern x86 32bit OS with a 16bit subsystem and a built in DOSbox type solution for the even older 16bit stuff that dosen't work worth a **** outside of DOS or 9x if you're lucky. It would have the lowest hardware requirements possible... as in it would run on a Galileo low so people could also run it on the ancient PentiumII or AMD Athlon system. Give it a 15 year support window and allow people to get their stuff updated.
At the same time it would allow them to strip all that crap out of the current OS so we could get it all lean and mean for current hardware and get rid of all that legacy bloat and security issues.

I appreciate vintage/retro PC and I have a couple myself, but I have no expectation to have modern OS run on that crap. Lets get real.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Altis on Sat, 25 October 2014, 20:43:48
I've been looking at the new design and features of Windows 10 and I have to say that I'm quite happy with the direction they are taking it.

I like the new Start menu, the taskbar, the multiple desktops, and snapping to corners.

It should make desktop/laptop users more at home than Win 8 did.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: DasHHKBProM on Sat, 25 October 2014, 21:16:08
I've been looking at the new design and features of Windows 10 and I have to say that I'm quite happy with the direction they are taking it.

I like the new Start menu, the taskbar, the multiple desktops, and snapping to corners.

It should make desktop/laptop users more at home than Win 8 did.

I really hope so, For me personally windows 8 was unpleasant experience. Prior to windows 8 I would consider myself a loyal customer to ms. I loved windows vista(un popular opinion meme inserted here) for me personally, i never had one issue with it. it wasn't until a fresh system build, i moved on to windows 7(3 years after it's initial release in 09.) windows snap whaaaaat.

then came 4k technology, the experience, well it was not a pleasant one in the windows 7 environment for me personally it did not feel natural trading 150% dpi readable text with unfocused icons and webtext. Now im forced to OSX for any functional work in everyday life, using xcode in replace of VS and the experience seems to be going from bitter to sweet in comparison to windows 8.   

anyways i want to love my desktop more than my ****ing laptop again please ms let windows 10 do this for me!!!! ~rant(); :eek:
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tbc on Sat, 25 October 2014, 23:35:00
doesn't compatibility mode handle all of this?  it SHOULD be able to emulate 32-bit XP.

or are people saying that 16-bit programs that worked on 32-bit XP no longer works in XP-emulation mode on 64-bit windows?
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Altis on Sun, 26 October 2014, 08:06:10
I've been looking at the new design and features of Windows 10 and I have to say that I'm quite happy with the direction they are taking it.

I like the new Start menu, the taskbar, the multiple desktops, and snapping to corners.

It should make desktop/laptop users more at home than Win 8 did.

I really hope so, For me personally windows 8 was unpleasant experience. Prior to windows 8 I would consider myself a loyal customer to ms. I loved windows vista(un popular opinion meme inserted here) for me personally, i never had one issue with it. it wasn't until a fresh system build, i moved on to windows 7(3 years after it's initial release in 09.) windows snap whaaaaat.

then came 4k technology, the experience, well it was not a pleasant one in the windows 7 environment for me personally it did not feel natural trading 150% dpi readable text with unfocused icons and webtext. Now im forced to OSX for any functional work in everyday life, using xcode in replace of VS and the experience seems to be going from bitter to sweet in comparison to windows 8.   

anyways i want to love my desktop more than my ****ing laptop again please ms let windows 10 do this for me!!!! ~rant(); :eek:

I think that's the common sentiment (pretty well everyone I know feels this way about 8), and MS knows it. 10 should be what 8 should have been. Until then, it's 7 for me.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 26 October 2014, 11:49:12
64bit Windows lacks the 16bit subsystem entirely. Compatibility mode can't do anything since the subsystem it needs doesn't exist in the OS. 32bit version still have 16bit subsystem, but getting it to run old DOS/9x stuff can be hit and miss. Some retro software works fine, some has strange behavior or just doesn't work at all on current OS and hardware.
If you mean XP mode, as in where you install XP as an internal VM thing... I never tried it. Seems like overkill and a huge waste of disk space when you could just use DOSbox.
I prefer to use an old machine with old OS version for that stuff instead. It's a lot less hassle to run software on the kind of hardware and OS it expects. It just works like expected (or as well as it ever did anyway), and no need to do odd work arounds or hacks to get it to run.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: tbc on Sun, 26 October 2014, 12:38:14
okay, so people are specifically having issues with true 16-bit problems.  that's according to spec.

compatibility mode as in the option under properties.  for some reason, it doesn't always kick in automatically and for aome other reason, it sometimes doesn't warn you that sometimes you need admin privileges.
Title: Re: Windows 9... erm 10 Technical Preview
Post by: Altis on Sun, 26 October 2014, 17:37:27
Wouldn't you be able to run an older Windows virtual machine and still use the 16-bit stuff if 64-bit Windows no longer supports it?