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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 18:39:16

Title: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 18:39:16

I was muted for the last 30 hours and couldn't reply to anything or anyone here on GeekHack and all I could do was reading.

And thinking.

I decided to write what is below after reading this: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64061.msg1502426#msg1502426

Before you throw rocks, please read - like I did.

I read BunnyLake's statement on his Ctr.Alt sub forum and yes, I could totally comprehend him this time (the problem was indeed the lack of punctuation). I read JD's statements as well, but that was after I already wrote everything and I also read MOZ declarations. I was amazed from what I've read in his (MOZ) reply. That was absolutely fantastic from his part and he clearly understood all of my point of views, regarding everything that I ever spoke about. 

With MOZ statements, I think that I understood how much respect should be given to JDcarpe and BunnyLake in all of the communities there are. I decided to look at both of these guys from a different perspective, because MOZ mentioned something that I'll probably never forget.

Not everybody has the patience and calm to kindly explain things, 100% of the time.

Maybe that day in which BunnyLake first replied on PuLSE regarding ownership of molds, he was just having a bad day, or was too busy to give a more detailed explanation about the legends ownership. I was probably having a bad day too, or was in a bad mood and completely misunderstood his approach - at the moment. I know that they tried to explain in different ways later on (JD did a great job, since I learned a lot), but I believe that the first impression on that thread was very significant so it was kinda hard to picture Bunny and JD in a more friendly way from that day and beyond. Then, everything ran out of control and became a complete mess. We traded blows back and forth for absolutely nothing, if you pay attention. We were both speaking roughly and with anger, not really trying to understand one another and that was very bad to everyone. To both of ourselves and to this community as a whole, because we both are content creators. And as content creators, we should be spending our energies on creating amazing stuff to everybody, and not with stupid subjects.

BunnyLake mentioned that I only decide to show sincerity about my mistakes and actions when it's in my best interest to do so. But he's wrong with this one, because I'm being sincere right now and don't have any other interests besides designing beautifull keysets to all of the enthusiasts out there - in exchange of anything. Bunny also said that I've been running over the internet spreading lies and offendind him, for the last couple of months. This is not true, why would I do that? I never spoke anything about BunnyLake, anywhere, since his last reply on PuLSE's IC.

I offended him on Reddit yesterday and the day before (I absolutely regret it), but that was all. I wasn't bullying him for the last couple of months.

We had a hard time after PuLSE and right after his last reply on PuLSE I PMd him very kindly, asking him if he could forgive me or if he could be a little more friendly to me. I even designed him a new avatar and invited him to play Counter Strike: Global Offensive, some day. He never answered.

I supposed that he was busy and I moved on. Never spoke a word about him ever since.

Sometimes, Bunny, I can't promptly comprehend what's going on but now I had some time to shut my mouth, think and decide to look at you and JD with another pair of eyeballs - which I borrowed from MOZ.

Because of that, I'd like to ask BunnyLake (one more time), the Ctrl.Alt team and jdcarpe for forgiveness.

I'm very sorry for all of the bad words I said about you all as individuals, I acted in anger and with emotions, multiple times. On GeekHack and Reddit. You are not the terrible things that I said you were and my behaviour was completely childish and stupid. I hope you understand, it's going to be benefical to all of us. We've got so much energy, let's use it for the good. We three can great amazing things, everybody knows that. I'm not being humble here. Both of you deserve credit to PuLSE, yes, as you showed me the way to go. But I designed it and took hours and hours to create it, from scratch. It was a triple effort and that's why it succeed to an extreme. Also, I'm sorry if I couldn't comprehend you since my first day here. I was new and I'm still new, but I'm learning everyday. I think that after this huge hit, my behaviour needs to change - and now it's the moment.

I messed up on PuLSE but it wasn't my fault. The conditions were there and the mess just happened to be. And now I messed up big time again, but I really need to change, because I want to stay here and provide you all interesting keycaps (even though many of you will dislike'em regardless).

Please, let's be friendly with one another from today and beyond - we deserve it.

Oh.

I mentioned eyeballs. And when it comes to eyeballs, the only thing I can think of when I'm in this forum is about another user's avatar, nubbinator. Our problems began quite some time ago, but I don't really now how. Maybe because I criticized his project Royal Apollo GT 10 way too hard, in the worst way that could ever be. Again, things spiraled very bad and blows were traded. He started to ignore me and never answered myself again even when I offered him some help. I also decided to look at him from another point of view. Maybe I criticized his project in a wrong way, or maybe I should've just offered help to him since I saw room for improvement. Royal Apollo failed, and I wrote a little article about it that was also misunderstood by him. I tried to spot the failures that killed the keyset, in order to succeed it next time but I shouldn't have done that in the way I did. Nubbinator probably felt exposed and attacked, which is not good.

I'd like to ask nubbinator for forgiveness too, since I've got something to him.

MOZ mentioned that I should use my strenghts and well, nubb, here they are.

(http://i.imgur.com/5DA1M25.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/OtVfkb0.png)

I completely redesigned Royal Apollo GT 10 for you yesterday and designated it as "nubbinator's Royal DSA". I'd like to ask you for permission to help you with the next round (whenever it may happen) and I believe that it will succeed next time on PMK. I polished Royal Apollo GT 10 for you and corrected some mistakes that I spotted. All of the concepts and ideas you had were kept. Legends, lines, tones and other visual aspects were tuned. We can talk about it whenever you want to, if you ever decide that you want to do so. All of the packages and mockups you idealized and need are already done and ready to be launched. I don't want absolutely nothing, it's your group buy and I just want you to succeed. Think about it.

Another thing that I realized is that I shouldn't be supporting someone that clearly has no point in this forum. K3 should be spending time creating his own designs, as I already mentioned. He can do it, but he doesn't want to. So I give up. He just want to troll and snap an opportunity to make money. He completely ignored the constructive suggestions that were made and took a lot of pride about his counterfeiting efforts on offering "different colors" on the Fake Clack thread. If you counterfeit and rub that on people face's, that's way too much. It's like Jiorgio Arnami trying to compete on a high end fashion event. If he can't identify his own mistakes, maybe he should think about what he has been doing, because it's not right. Or maybe he won't ever realize that because he just wants a couple of dollars on his pocket - which seems to be the most likely scenario. That's what I concluded about him.

I also would like to ask GeekHack for forgiveness and for another chance.

I'm seeking redemption and from now on you should expect a different behaviour from this MiTo guy.

I'm not a thug.

Can we shake hands?

Thank you very much for taking some of your time to read this post.

MiTo, also know as Lyqu1d.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:02:47

denying everything, telling more lies and backhanded insults, is not an apology

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:05:04

damn nubs they redid your keyset lol

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:06:45

This post is my personal opinion, and is in no way reflective of any other GH staff member's opinions on the matter. I have no say in what mod action gets/got taken anyway.

If you can prove that you deserve the respect you're asking for, then I'll at least stop being mad at you.

It's REALLY hard to re-earn respect in this community after you've made a big mistake. If you can show everyone that you can be a sensible human being and not constantly baiting/fighting/whatever everyone, then people might actually listen to what you have to say. You've already managed to throw some mild insults into your apology post. This is not a very good start.

For now, I still think you're a ****head. You somehow managed to make bunnylake angry, and I'm not sure how that happens. If you can not be a ****head for the rest of forever, then we're cool.

Just know, this isn't something people forget. The posts you've made these last few days will haunt you.

I'm interested to see everyone's reactions to this, including yours.

-TS

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:07:31

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:05:04

damn nubs they redid your keyset lol

yeah, i think thats just a way to try and belittle nubbs, totally out of order and outright insulting

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:08:47

Quote from: TacticalStache on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:06:45

This post is my personal opinion, and is in no way reflective of any other GH staff member's opinions on the matter. I have no say in what mod action gets/got taken anyway.

If you can prove that you deserve the respect you're asking for, then I'll at least stop being mad at you.

It's REALLY hard to re-earn respect in this community after you've made a big mistake. If you can show everyone that you can be a sensible human being and not constantly baiting/fighting/whatever everyone, then people might actually listen to what you have to say. You've already managed to throw some mild insults into your apology post. This is not a very good start.

For now, I still think you're a ****head. You somehow managed to make bunnylake angry, and I'm not sure how that happens. If you can not be a ****head for the rest of forever, then we're cool.

Just know, this isn't something people forget. The posts you've made these last few days will haunt you.

I'm interested to see everyone's reactions to this, including yours.

-TS

great post

+ 10

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:13:30

Quote from: TacticalStache on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:06:45

It's REALLY hard to re-earn respect in this community after you've made a big mistake. If you can show everyone that you can be a sensible human being and not constantly baiting/fighting/whatever everyone, then people might actually listen to what you have to say. You've already managed to throw some mild insults into your apology post. This is not a very good start.

If it's hard, at least I'm trying, and what I quotted in red is exactly what I'm doing.

Also, if you believe that I insulted people in this post, I don't know what to say.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: 01111000 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:16:02

Mito, at the end of the day, I don’t think you have the community’s best interest at heart.  There have been numerous times where you have been corrected on various subjects or have been suggested something valid yet you went ahead and did what you wanted anyway.

For example:
-Choosing the SA profile, and your descriptions of how it feels (when you don’t have a set yourself)
-Only willing to do one round, although there was great interest.  This only hurts the community
-Unwillingness to add blank keycaps of all sizes for the many of us who requested it (starting with me).  Why?  What are you protecting exactly?
-The whole color issue with the blue/cyan hue used in Pulse.  The other user you argued with had a great point, and you flamed him.  I’m not sure how you know what the color looks like without a color wheel (no your monitor is not 100% accurate to real life).
-Suggestions to Cospar; for example, I pointed out how similar it is to 7bit's buy and suggested to wait yet you're launching it because you think so different (its not that unique, antique or whatever you described it as).
-The way you word some of your posts and your analysis’ are just wrong in some instances.  Why do you think you needed to make a post explaining why Royal DSA didn't tip?  How are you an expert?  https://mitokeysets.silvrback.com/royal-apollo-failed  Why do you now think he needs your help? 

You take yourself too seriously man.  These other users like BunnyLake and Matt3o take their time and effort to bring the whole community these sets and don’t have the ego that you have.  Pulse did great, but you chose a very popular color scheme.  If Pulse was green, for example, it wouldn't have done so good.  I'm not sure why you now think you're a keycap design god but I hope you grow up a bit and stick around. 

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:17:12

God, there's no end to the Drama with ya'll .... (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/hehe-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507)

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:18:32

Quote from: 01111000 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:16:02

You take yourself too seriously man.

This, this, this!

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:18:41

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:02:47

denying everything, telling more lies and backhanded insults, is not an apology

The only thing I denied, Bunny, is that I'm not bullying you over the internet. I offedend you on 3 or 4 posts on Reddit that I wrote over the last 2 or 3 days. I didn't speak a word to you and about you since my last PM with the blue bunny image and the Steam invite.

I'm also not offending anyone in this post. After demik's reply I suppose you're talking about Nubbinator.

He was asking for mockus and a good presentation for months, that's all I did.

I'm not fighting or insulting anyone anymore.

Please.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:20:06

what's a mockus.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:22:58

Quote from: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:20:06

what's a mockus.

Mockup

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:25:18

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:18:41

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:02:47

denying everything, telling more lies and backhanded insults, is not an apology

The only thing I denied, Bunny, is that I'm not bullying you over the internet. I offedend you on 3 or 4 posts on Reddit that I wrote over the last 2 or 3 days. I didn't speak a word to you and about you since my last PM with the blue bunny image and the Steam invite.

I'm also not offending anyone in this post. After demik's reply I suppose you're talking about Nubbinator.

He was asking for mockus and a good presentation for months, that's all I did.

I'm not fighting or insulting anyone anymore.

Please.

all of this just smacks of you realising the position you are now in, and desperately trying to back pedal and get away with it, you didnt apologise, you denied, made excuses and continued to belittle people

you even managed to turn this post about you and your apparent design skills

do you not understand, that relentlessly teasing someone for their design, offending them, and telling them to **** off, isnt fixed by you renaming their buy, redoing their artwork and insinuating they need your help to make it a success, you are doing everything you can to make him feel as small as possible

im not gonna get started on all the backhanded insults you made at me, people can clearly read that for what it is

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:30:14

Quote from: 01111000 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:16:02

Mito, at the end of the day, I don’t think you have the community’s best interest at heart.  There have been numerous times where you have been corrected on various subjects or have been suggested something valid yet you went ahead and did what you wanted anyway.

For example:
-Choosing the SA profile, and your descriptions of how it feels (when you don’t have a set yourself)
-Only willing to do one round, although there was great interest.  This only hurts the community
-Unwillingness to add blank keycaps of all sizes for the many of us who requested it (starting with me).  Why?  What are you protecting exactly?
-The whole color issue with the blue/cyan hue used in Pulse.  The other user you argued with had a great point, and you flamed him.  I’m not sure how you know what the color looks like without a color wheel (no your monitor is not 100% accurate to real life).
-Suggestions to Cospar; for example, I pointed out how similar it is to 7bit's buy and suggested to wait yet you're launching it because you think so different (its not that unique, antique or whatever you described it as).
-The way you word some of your posts and your analysis’ are just wrong in some instances.  Why do you think you needed to make a post explaining why Royal DSA didn't tip?  How are you an expert?  https://mitokeysets.silvrback.com/royal-apollo-failed  Why do you now think he needs your help? 

You take yourself too seriously man.  These other users like BunnyLake and Matt3o take their time and effort to bring the whole community these sets and don’t have the ego that you have.  Pulse did great, but you chose a very popular color scheme.  If Pulse was green, for example, it wouldn't have done so good.  I'm not sure why you now think you're a keycap design god but I hope you grow up a bit and stick around.

Binary,

- You're right, I don't own any SA keysets at the moment but I already told you that I used a terminal with such keycaps a while ago, on a cabinetry industry. I believe they were all flat Row 3 or some variation of it;
- I want to do one Round only because I want to keep some exclusivity to the supporters and becuase I think there are many color schemes and ideas that can be applied to keysets. I want to do new things and spend my efforts on that, I don't want to spend time repeating old ideas;
- I was protecting the Base Set. If I added blanks in all of the colors, sizes and rows, people would be able to pick and build a completely customized blue and black SA keyset. Many would choose this path and the Base Set would be harmed. I didn't know it would succeed that much;
- You did a suggestion, yes, but I don't think we should wait because as I already said (at least to me) Cospar and R5 are totally different. The only thing they've got in common is the Space theme and profile. Not even colors are shared.
- I did a small analysis and couldn't talk more about it because my license to use Silvrback expired and I lost control over that blog you linked. I moved to tumblr and decided it was a bad idea to repeat the analysis, since it was very bad written and stupid. That was a mistake and I pointed that on this thread's OP. I'm not a god or an expert, I only believe that I understand at least a couple of aspects about making a keyset since I, with the help of a lot of people, managed to create one in a couple of weeks.

I'm trying to change my behaviour and I'm taking some steps to do so...

I hope you understand.

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Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:34:57

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Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:38:29

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:25:18

all of this just smacks of you realising the position you are now in, and desperately trying to back pedal and get away with it, you didnt apologise, you denied, made excuses and continued to belittle people

you even managed to turn this post about you and your apparent design skills

do you not understand, that relentlessly teasing someone for their design, offending them, and telling them to **** off, isnt fixed by you renaming their buy, redoing their artwork and insinuating they need your help to make it a success, you are doing everything you can to make him feel as small as possible

im not gonna get started on all the backhanded insults you made at me, people can clearly read that for what it is

Bunny, I'm not in any kind of position. I'm not desperately trying to do anything.

I tried to apologize, but I believe that you simply can't see this because you hate me much more than I used to dislike you.

Many of you hate me, yes (I'm trying to change that) but I could simply close Google Chrome and walk away right now, because I don't earn anything for being here, besides satisfaction to share ideas and opinions about something that I like.

You're almost talking like I ruined my entire life.

I spoke the more sincere words I could find to you, JD and nubbinator. I'm not insinuating that he (nubbinator) needs anything or that he needs me. I just offerend him a hand Bunny, that was all. He requested it so many times, and there's at least some help from my side.

Please, Bunny.

EDIT: I don't understand this statement you made, I don't know what "backhanded insults" are, as I already told you many times, english is not my native language. I'm not being able to comprehend what you're trying to say here:

"im not gonna get started on all the backhanded insults you made at me, people can clearly read that for what it is"

Could you please repeat that using different words or something?

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:43:39

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:38:29

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:25:18

all of this just smacks of you realising the position you are now in, and desperately trying to back pedal and get away with it, you didnt apologise, you denied, made excuses and continued to belittle people

you even managed to turn this post about you and your apparent design skills

do you not understand, that relentlessly teasing someone for their design, offending them, and telling them to **** off, isnt fixed by you renaming their buy, redoing their artwork and insinuating they need your help to make it a success, you are doing everything you can to make him feel as small as possible

im not gonna get started on all the backhanded insults you made at me, people can clearly read that for what it is

Bunny, I'm not in any kind of position. I'm not desperately trying to do anything.

I tried to apologize, but I believe that you simply can't see this because you hate me much more than I used to dislike you.

Many of you hate me, yes (I'm trying to change that) but I could simply close Google Chrome and walk away right now, because I don't earn anything for being here, besides satisfaction to share ideas and opinions about something that I like.

You're almost talking like I ruined my entire life.

I spoke the more sincere words I could find to you, JD and nubbinator. I'm not insinuating that he (nubbinator) needs anything or that he needs me. I just offerend him a hand Bunny, that was all. He requested it so many times, and there's at least some help from my side.

Please, Bunny.

when he requested help, you insulted him, told him to **** off, made blog posts belittling him, thats the person you are, thats what you did when someone needed help

when you needed help, you did the same to people offering you help, belittled them, took all the credit and praise for yourself

when i and several others wanted to clarify things in threads of yours, you attacked and belittled us

these are the actions you are being judged on, not some canned apology you had a day to go over what everyone was saying and think of the best way to get out of all this

listen to moose, his advice was sound

if i was impartial, or you were a friend, id tell you take a step back, if you arent owning the situation, move away from it, so you dont end up saying something you cant take back, when you arent thinking clearly

Title: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:47:42

I thought MiTo OP post was good until the part where he 'helped' Nubbs with the design and that was a like a slap to my face. I looked at his apology with a different lens and re-read it again and the whole writeup sounded shallow, insincere and left me with a bad after taste. Good try, MiTo, but seriously, perhaps you should just shut up. Don't damage your already low reputation any further.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:48:02

Dude, I don't know what to think. I hate hate fake crap and by marginally encouraging them you put yourself on their side of the fence in most folks eyes (even if you said to do their own designs, I don't know I saw somewhere else a screenie of you trying to buy some, not sure what's up with that). 

I tried to talk about profiles on your Cospar thread and just got flamed down for it. If that's how you want to host your IC or GB then I really wonder if Reddit is a better place for you. I've always enjoyed the civility and helpfulness of this place, but it's been a train wreck since you came along.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:51:39

Quote from: Belfong on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:47:42

I thought MiTo OP post was good until the part where he 'helped' Nubbs with the design and that was a like a slap to my face. I looked at his apology with a different lens and re-read it again and the whole writeup sounded shallow, insincere and left me with a bad after taste. Good try, MiTo, but seriously, perhaps you should just shut up. Don't damage your already low reputation any further.

Maybe because I mentioned that I "completely redesigned it" when in fact, I simply did mockups.

I'll not edit OP though, I think that the core of my message is there - regardless of the words I used.

Anyway, thank you very much for reading the post.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: HipsterPunks on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:54:14

i read this earlier and decided not to comment because it didnt read as an apology, more so a blame shifting, condescending, polished up turd rebuttle.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: ConscienceDrop on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:54:34

I don't have much skin in this whole ordeal, but i have to say something here.

I was not on Mito's side to start at all. I think that his original comment on reddit was kinda ****ed up even if he didn't mean it that way; and his responses when people brought that up were not very mature and only escalated the issue.

but he was not the only one to throw ****, and now he is here covered in **** like you all are, and he is trying to apologize.

even if you don't like how he is apologizing, even if you think some of his conducts in and outside of this debacle are also questionable: he is apologizing.


I will admit, its not the smoothest apology i have ever seen, but we are on the internet and everyone involved is covered in ****, there is only so much we can do before we trust each other enough to move on.



It will be disappointing if this community insists on crucifying Mito until he says something back. and once he says something back that will be taken as further evidence of his guilt and all the goading on will be forgotten. . .

I'm sure there is a possible future where Mito stays a member of geekhack and is a positive influence on the community.

and im sure there is a possible future where Mito is pushed out of the community, by his own or others actions.


I feel at this point it seems that Mito has shown at least a level of cooperation that should be acknowledged, you don't have to like the guy but don't kick more **** on him when he is down.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:55:42

Quote from: heedpantsnow on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:48:02

Dude, I don't know what to think. I hate hate fake crap and by marginally encouraging them you put yourself on their side of the fence in most folks eyes (even if you said to do their own designs, I don't know I saw somewhere else a screenie of you trying to buy some, not sure what's up with that). 

I tried to talk about profiles on your Cospar thread and just got flamed down for it. If that's how you want to host your IC or GB then I really wonder if Reddit is a better place for you. I've always enjoyed the civility and helpfulness of this place, but it's been a train wreck since you came along.

heed, what are you saying?

I didn't "flame" you heed, I think you are mistaken.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62327.msg1496071#msg1496071

Here's your post, please read it again...

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:56:31

backhanded insult is when you say something nice but it comes out ****ed up.

kinda like, man you were really fat.

commenting on weight loss, but still sounding like a d bag.

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Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:56:39

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Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Sent on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:57:38

Forgiveness isn't asked for.  It's earned, just like anything else.  Like Bunny mentioned, you're simply doing this now because, perhaps, you've finally recognized the hole you've dug for yourself.  I can't read your mind but that's what your post smacks of.  I also agree with Tact.  Your post has subtle insults and excuses for your behavior.  You're still trying to rationalize why you said what you said when, in my opinion, you just need to say,"I ****ed up.  I made a mistake.  I'm sorry."  Own up to your mistakes.  Don't try to still get out while saving as much of your skin as possible.  This isn't the time for that.  You should also be smart enough to realize that in a situation of, 'he said', 'she said', it's probably going to go in the favor of the person or persons that are established and have a solid reputation.  No matter what you say at this point, it's hard to believe you when Nubs, JD and Bunny are all saying something else. 

Like I said, stop trying to consider yourself at an equal or greater level than anyone here.  Stop trying to save what little bit of your ass hasn't been chewed out, yet.  I'm not trying to be a ****.  I'm giving you some advice that I learned the hard way.  It's advice that translates well to the real world as you get older.  I'm sure others can back me up on this.  Be humble.  Apologize.  Don't continue to hide behind excuses and your own reasoning.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:59:03

Quote from: ConscienceDrop on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:54:34

I don't have much skin in this whole ordeal, but i have to say something here.

I was not on Mito's side to start at all. I think that his original comment on reddit was kinda ****ed up even if he didn't mean it that way; and his responses when people brought that up were not very mature and only escalated the issue.

but he was not the only one to throw ****, and now he is here covered in **** like you all are, and he is trying to apologize.

even if you don't like how he is apologizing, even if you think some of his conducts in and outside of this debacle are also questionable: he is apologizing.


I will admit, its not the smoothest apology i have ever seen, but we are on the internet and everyone involved is covered in ****, there is only so much we can do before we trust each other enough to move on.



It will be disappointing if this community insists on crucifying Mito until he says something back. and once he says something back that will be taken as further evidence of his guilt and all the goading on will be forgotten. . .

I'm sure there is a possible future where Mito stays a member of geekhack and is a positive influence on the community.

and im sure there is a possible future where Mito is pushed out of the community, by his own or others actions.


I feel at this point it seems that Mito has shown at least a level of cooperation that should be acknowledged, you don't have to like the guy but don't kick more **** on him when he is down.

its nice to see people from time to time play devils advocate

but he did all the flinging, he said i was uneducated, he lied about both me and ctrl alt, used lies about ctrl alt and me to promote himself, i have used some rude words about him, WHEN REPLYING, but it was always that, in response, i can see your point of view judging from events that occurred just in the last day or so, but this has gone on much longer than that

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:01:34

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

welcome to geekhack

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:01:36

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

you're in HS? ****, i thought you were like 30.

also i love how drama even creeps up in keyboard forums.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:02:40

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:01:36

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

you're in HS? ****, i thought you were like 30.

also i love how drama even creeps up in keyboard forums.

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Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Sent on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:03:01

Drama's everywhere.  Can't escape it.  Best solution?  Crack a beer and chill out.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:03:14

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:02:40

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:01:36

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

you're in HS? ****, i thought you were like 30.

also i love how drama even creeps up in keyboard forums.

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holy **** you're younger than I am

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:03:34

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:01:36

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

you're in HS? ****, i thought you were like 30.

also i love how drama even creeps up in keyboard forums.

and Between Grown asss men...

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:04:00

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:02:40

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:01:36

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

you're in HS? ****, i thought you were like 30.

also i love how drama even creeps up in keyboard forums.

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wow, now i feel like a **** for sending you back to reddit.

















sike.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:04:46

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

Not everyone here is a grown up.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:07:20

Quote from: Sent on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:57:38

Like I said, stop trying to consider yourself at an equal or greater level than anyone here.  Stop trying to save what little bit of your ass hasn't been chewed out, yet.  (...)

Be humble.  Apologize.  Don't continue to hide behind excuses and your own reasoning.

I will quote myself, Sent.

"I'm very sorry for all of the bad words I said about you all as individuals, I acted in anger and with emotions, multiple times. On GeekHack and Reddit. You are not the terrible things that I said you were and my behaviour was completely childish and stupid. I hope you understand, it's going to be benefical to all of us. (....)

Also, I'm sorry if I couldn't comprehend you since my first day here. I was new and I'm still new, but I'm learning everyday. I think that after this huge hit, my behaviour needs to change - and now it's the moment.

I messed up on PuLSE but it wasn't my fault. The conditions were there and the mess just happened to be. And now I messed up big time again, but I really need to change, because I want to stay here and provide you all interesting keycaps (even though many of you will dislike'em regardless)."

Please, read this again. I'm not saying that I'm on equal level as anyone and I'm not trying to "save my bit of ass".

I'm apologizing, because I want to change the point of view of some users here...

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Sent on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:09:27

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:07:20

Quote from: Sent on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:57:38

Like I said, stop trying to consider yourself at an equal or greater level than anyone here.  Stop trying to save what little bit of your ass hasn't been chewed out, yet.  (...)

Be humble.  Apologize.  Don't continue to hide behind excuses and your own reasoning.

I will quote myself, Sent.

"I'm very sorry for all of the bad words I said about you all as individuals, I acted in anger and with emotions, multiple times. On GeekHack and Reddit. You are not the terrible things that I said you were and my behaviour was completely childish and stupid. I hope you understand, it's going to be benefical to all of us. (....)

Also, I'm sorry if I couldn't comprehend you since my first day here. I was new and I'm still new, but I'm learning everyday. I think that after this huge hit, my behaviour needs to change - and now it's the moment.

I messed up on PuLSE but it wasn't my fault. The conditions were there and the mess just happened to be. And now I messed up big time again, but I really need to change, because I want to stay here and provide you all interesting keycaps (even though many of you will dislike'em regardless)."

Please, read this again. I'm not saying that I'm on equal level as anyone and I'm not trying to "save my bit of ass".

I'm apologizing, because I want to change the point of view of some users here...

Thanks for making my point.  If you can't see what I mean, then I don't know what else to say.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:09:56

Quote from: SpAmRaY on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:04:46

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

Not everyone here is a grown up.

I mean, I'd like to think that even someone my age is at least somewhat mature. But hell for all I know there could be 10 year olds here

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:10:09

listen mito, this post is aimed just at you, but i dont wanna pm you as i dont wanna have any sort of discourse with you now, or in the future

im gonna walk away, and im gonna stay away, so long as you dont mention me, or ctrl alt again, in any capacity, anywhere, and also as long as you dont insult anyone close to me

if you dont insult my friends, or mention me in any way, i have no reason at all to reply to anything or say anything about you, personally i dont want an apology from you, i dont want anything from you, im fed up and upset about this whole thing

this is the time to draw the line, call this over and step away

if you choose not to do that, it is up to you

i cant stop myself from replying, i keep telling myself to walk away and keep end up doing it, so as long as i dont have a reason to, this will end here

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:11:03

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:59:03

its nice to see people from time to time play devils advocate

but he did all the flinging, he said i was uneducated, he lied about both me and ctrl alt, used lies about ctrl alt and me to promote himself, i have used some rude words about him, WHEN REPLYING, but it was always that, in response, i can see your point of view judging from events that occurred just in the last day or so, but this has gone on much longer than that

We are both guilty Bunny.

Your approach on the PuLSE's IC thread was terrible and my comprehension of it, probably even worse.

I didn't lie about Ctrl.Alt or about you anywhere, I insulted you on Reddit and we fought via PMs long time ago - that's all.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: bueller on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:12:37

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:07:20

I'm apologizing, because I want to change the point of view of some users here...

Apologies only go so far. When you've dug a hole as deep as you have you can't expect everyone to just turn around and forgive you at the drop of a hat.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:12:55

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:11:03

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:59:03

its nice to see people from time to time play devils advocate

but he did all the flinging, he said i was uneducated, he lied about both me and ctrl alt, used lies about ctrl alt and me to promote himself, i have used some rude words about him, WHEN REPLYING, but it was always that, in response, i can see your point of view judging from events that occurred just in the last day or so, but this has gone on much longer than that

We are both guilty Bunny.

Your approach on the PuLSE's IC thread was terrible and my comprehension of it, probably even worse.

I didn't lie about Ctrl.Alt or about you anywhere, I insulted you on Reddit and we fought via PMs long time ago - that's all.

ok scratch my above post

this guys a ****head

see sents last reply above, sums it all up

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:13:21

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:04:00

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:02:40

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:01:36

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:00:43

So how bout everyone just chill the **** out? It's a keyboard forum full of grown-ass adults. This kind of flame-war is even beyond the level of childishness displayed by the kids at my highschool

you're in HS? ****, i thought you were like 30.

also i love how drama even creeps up in keyboard forums.

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wow, now i feel like a **** for sending you back to reddit.

















sike.

Yay










Aww

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:14:20

Someone link this "HOLE" that's been dug... is it on reddit..

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:15:55

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:10:09

listen mito, this post is aimed just at you, but i dont wanna pm you as i dont wanna have any sort of discourse with you now, or in the future

im gonna walk away, and im gonna stay away, so long as you dont mention me, or ctrl alt again, in any capacity, anywhere, and also as long as you dont insult anyone close to me

if you dont insult my friends, or mention me in any way, i have no reason at all to reply to anything or say anything about you, personally i dont want an apology from you, i dont want anything from you, im fed up and upset about this whole thing

this is the time to draw the line, call this over and step away

if you choose not to do that, it is up to you

i cant stop myself from replying, i keep telling myself to walk away and keep end up doing it, so as long as i dont have a reason to, this will end here

Walking away is not a good solution to me Bunny, we've got an opportunnity to solve this issue.

We can shake our hands and move on, being nice with each other like it should've happened since day one.

Please consider this path, Bunny.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: byker on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:17:14

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:15:55

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:10:09

listen mito, this post is aimed just at you, but i dont wanna pm you as i dont wanna have any sort of discourse with you now, or in the future

im gonna walk away, and im gonna stay away, so long as you dont mention me, or ctrl alt again, in any capacity, anywhere, and also as long as you dont insult anyone close to me

if you dont insult my friends, or mention me in any way, i have no reason at all to reply to anything or say anything about you, personally i dont want an apology from you, i dont want anything from you, im fed up and upset about this whole thing

this is the time to draw the line, call this over and step away

if you choose not to do that, it is up to you

i cant stop myself from replying, i keep telling myself to walk away and keep end up doing it, so as long as i dont have a reason to, this will end here

Walking away is not a good solution to me Bunny, we've got an opportunnity to solve this issue.

We can shake our hands and move on, being nice with each other like it should've happened since day one.

Please consider this path, Bunny.

He gave you this option right in the quote you posted...

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: bueller on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:17:58

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:15:55

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:10:09

listen mito, this post is aimed just at you, but i dont wanna pm you as i dont wanna have any sort of discourse with you now, or in the future

im gonna walk away, and im gonna stay away, so long as you dont mention me, or ctrl alt again, in any capacity, anywhere, and also as long as you dont insult anyone close to me

if you dont insult my friends, or mention me in any way, i have no reason at all to reply to anything or say anything about you, personally i dont want an apology from you, i dont want anything from you, im fed up and upset about this whole thing

this is the time to draw the line, call this over and step away

if you choose not to do that, it is up to you

i cant stop myself from replying, i keep telling myself to walk away and keep end up doing it, so as long as i dont have a reason to, this will end here

Walking away is not a good solution to me Bunny, we've got an opportunnity to solve this issue.

We can shake our hands and move on, being nice with each other like it should've happened since day one.

Please consider this path, Bunny.

Seriously it's like you have multiple personalities or something, I've never seen someone switch so effortlessly between being an arsehole and begging for forgiveness. Just **** off back to Reddit already.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:19:07

Quote from: byker on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:17:14

He gave you this option right in the quote you posted...

I understood that he just wants to walk away and completely ignore myself and my efforts to change this situation.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:19:53

Hush, MiTo, hush!

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Photekq on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:20:13

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:11:03

We are both guilty Bunny.

Your approach on the PuLSE's IC thread was terrible and my comprehension of it, probably even worse.

I didn't lie about Ctrl.Alt or about you anywhere, I insulted you on Reddit and we fought via PMs long time ago - that's all.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: byker on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:20:23

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:19:07

Quote from: byker on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:17:14

He gave you this option right in the quote you posted...

I understood that he just wants to walk away and completely ignore myself and my efforts to change this situation.

Respect is earned, not given. I will not respect you until I have seen you act nicely to this community, I am sure the same goes with Bunny.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:24:11

i gave you the out, but you just cant help yourself, you just have to keep twisting the knife

its like banging my head against a brick wall, i cant be bothered to waste my time copying and pasting, mito is denying stuff, all you have to do is flick through his threads or his gh posts to see that isnt the case, let alone reddit etc

i cant believe im gonna say this

but in order to help you, step away, you arent reading what people are saying to you, step back, and take their points in before rushing to reply, because you are proving them right, not convincing them they are wrong

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: ConscienceDrop on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:24:21

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:59:03

Quote from: ConscienceDrop on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:54:34

I don't have much skin in this whole ordeal, but i have to say something here.

I was not on Mito's side to start at all. I think that his original comment on reddit was kinda ****ed up even if he didn't mean it that way; and his responses when people brought that up were not very mature and only escalated the issue.

but he was not the only one to throw ****, and now he is here covered in **** like you all are, and he is trying to apologize.

even if you don't like how he is apologizing, even if you think some of his conducts in and outside of this debacle are also questionable: he is apologizing.


I will admit, its not the smoothest apology i have ever seen, but we are on the internet and everyone involved is covered in ****, there is only so much we can do before we trust each other enough to move on.



It will be disappointing if this community insists on crucifying Mito until he says something back. and once he says something back that will be taken as further evidence of his guilt and all the goading on will be forgotten. . .

I'm sure there is a possible future where Mito stays a member of geekhack and is a positive influence on the community.

and im sure there is a possible future where Mito is pushed out of the community, by his own or others actions.


I feel at this point it seems that Mito has shown at least a level of cooperation that should be acknowledged, you don't have to like the guy but don't kick more **** on him when he is down.

its nice to see people from time to time play devils advocate

but he did all the flinging, he said i was uneducated, he lied about both me and ctrl alt, used lies about ctrl alt and me to promote himself, i have used some rude words about him, WHEN REPLYING, but it was always that, in response, i can see your point of view judging from events that occurred just in the last day or so, but this has gone on much longer than that

I really respect your work, and I know you will be a valued member of this community no matter what happens; this may not be the same for Mito.
 Please let me say one more thing then I will mind my own business.


The nature of an apology is sometimes more grey than the black and white we like to think it is.

Mito is offering some form of an apology, it might not be a total apology and maybe he is unable to allow himself to truly admit all his wrongs.
Maybe later he will see the foolishness of certain actions and he will apologize further.


It is not weakness to accept a partial apology, you don't need to excuse every action someone has done on order to move forward.
It really does seem to me that Mito would like to move forward (for whatever reasons). And while it is fair to not drop Mito's actions entirely you must at least acknowledge that he is in some way (however small you think it is) trying to make things better.


like I said before, I am certain that there is a possible future for Mito here that is positive, and it is just as possible that he is pushed out by people who cannot forgive him.


All I can really say is that Mito can only truely stop defending himself once he is no longer afraid of being hung for his actions.

 You are arguing for understandable reasons, but your continued place in this community does not depend on you winning the argument.
Mito is not only arguing because of personal reasons, he is also arguing to stay alive as a member of Geekhack in general.

if you are all able to forgive Mito (even to a small extent) then it will give Mito more room to reflect upon his own actions. He needs to feel that he will actually be heard and not just punished before he is able to truly apologize.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:28:48

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:28:48

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: jackalope on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:23

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:28:48

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

If i may, I would like to give you a piece of advice,  you put your own foot in the trap , stop shooting yourself in the other foot.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:33:12

i think the problem is that you aren't owning up to your mistakes, but instead blaming others for the way you acted. which is a half assed apology. and the fact you re-did nub's keyset publicly, just to look like a good guy. you could have sent that to him over PM, as this has NOTHING to do with the matter at hand.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:35:05

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:28:48

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

i have no idea what you are reading

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:37:18

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:35:05

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:28:48

This thread is becoming really stressful to me.

I knew that some people wouldn't comprehend my core message but I wasn't expecting it to be like this. This whole issue is not something that could be fixed just with a couple of posts because much damage was done, I know.

I though it would be a good first step but you're showing me otherwise.

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

i have no idea what you are reading

I'm just saying, he hasn't gone to the "you're a ****ing retard, shut the **** up" level he has in the past. That alone is impressive to me. That's all I'm saying. That, and he needs to give respect to get it. I'm not saying that his comments aren't backhanded, I'm just saying I feel he genuinely has made some comments here that show he can act as a level headed individual. He may have gone about it incorrectly, but it's better than what he's done in the past.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:37:38

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread and rest a bit.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:38:41

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:37:38

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:41:09

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:38:41

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:37:38

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:42:15

Quote from: TacticalStache on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:41:09

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:38:41

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:37:38

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

Thirded.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:46:26

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:42:15

Quote from: TacticalStache on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:41:09

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:38:41

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:37:38

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

Thirded.

420ed

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: bueller on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:51:40

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:46:26

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:42:15

Quote from: TacticalStache on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:41:09

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:38:41

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:37:38

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

Thirded.

420ed

blazeit***et!

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:54:50

Quote from: bueller on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:51:40

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:46:26

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:42:15

Quote from: TacticalStache on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:41:09

Quote from: demik on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:38:41

Quote from: MiTo on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:37:38

Quote from: exitfire401 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 20:32:11

It is a good first step. It's just going to be something that takes more time. You've really got to prove it. I'm impressed by how mature you're being, and though your comments may be coming off as backhanded to some, I'm still taking the difference you've shown from the past to be at least somewhat genuine. I would suggest locking the thread and just knowing that you've done what you can as to keep your stress level down. I'm not going to interfere, as you've dug your grave with the way you decided to act in the past. If you had this attitude from the beginning, you would be in a much better place, and I'm glad you see that now.

Thank you for at least trying to understand my statements, I can't lock the thread because I'm expecting JD's and nubbinator's replies. I will just walk away from now and take care of the Cospar's IC thread.

I wish there was a way to lock this thread and only allow BunnyLake, JD and nubbinator to post.

Thank you again, I'll follow your advice.

3 way private messages. they can all read it and all reply.

If you're insinuating that this should be handled privately from here on I agree with you

Thirded.

420ed

blazeit***et!

mito RIP in panini

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: nubbinator on Thu, 16 October 2014, 21:13:47

Since MiTo is waiting for my reply and I've seen a lot of dirt flung about, I'll go ahead and give my reply.

You pretty much nailed it on why I have a hard time with you.  And, for the record, I have not gone out of my way to try and belittle you or anything else.  When I posted my original comment in the BB thread it was because I felt genuine betrayal to see someone who got so much help from the community and who got a successful buy out of it go out and say something that totally spat in the face of the community. Maybe it wasn't right of me to air it in public like that, but at the same time, I felt that something needed to be said.  It had nothing to do with prior history.  After all, I also called out PMH (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64061.msg1499303#msg1499303) and we have no history.

So onto the history.  If I'm going to be completely honest, you always annoyed me a little.  Plenty of people on here do though.  You had a way of self-promotion that just rubbed me wrong.  Then I watched as you began to belittle people's designs and mock-ups, my own included.  When stuff went down, I felt like your apologies weren't apologies, but an attempt to save face and paint yourself as a good guy.  The "analysis" on why the buy failed and then posting it to Reddit was just twisting the knife and felt like a vindictive slap in the face.  In fact, many of your following comments have felt that way, bragging about how well your GB did, then belittling mine for failing and all the negativity sent my way.  It pissed me off and I decided to cut you out and ignore you.  I've learned that it's better to cut people out in life and ignore them than to face the drama that can come about by interacting with them.  I have enough stress from my job, I don't need it from my hobbies too. 

If you are genuinely sorry and want to be seen as a good guy, cut back on the self-promotion, listen when people give advice and respond politely.  If they over step, politely call them out in private or ignore them.  Do stuff to help the community behind the scenes or without any hope of benefiting from it.  Maybe that means PMing people their own mock ups if they're asking for help.  To be frank, that would have gone a long way with you and me.  If you had just kept your mouth closed and PMed mock ups, I would have graciously said thank you and posted them.

I can see why others are pissed about the new mockup for my GB.  I can see why, though I don't share in their level of animosity.  I do think it is a little rude to state that you made it better when you abandoned the stripe concept central to it and that you stated you corrected some mistakes without discussing it with me.  At the same time, I do appreciate that you are attempting to mend bridges; however, part of that is putting your ego aside and letting someone else realize their concept.  If you want to give suggestions politely (have you thought about doing XYZ), that's always appreciated, but reworking a concept without discussion does kind of give an I know better than you feel.

In short, Bunny pretty much nailed some of my sentiments, if a bit more...passionately than I would:

More

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:25:18

do you not understand, that relentlessly teasing someone for their design, offending them, and telling them to **** off, isnt fixed by you renaming their buy, redoing their artwork and insinuating they need your help to make it a success, you are doing everything you can to make him feel as small as possible

I'm someone who is willing to give people second chances, but they have to earn their respect back.  After what's happened, it will be a journey.  Part of that is owning up to your mistakes, something I see has only been partially done in this thread.  It's not an easy thing to fess up to your mistakes (like when I dropped and broke a $5000 lens), but it does clear the air and start to rebuild trust.

I want to be in the same camp as Moz, believing in the goodness of people, but ****ty experiences throughout my life have taught me to be skeptical.  So I encourage you to keep trying to rebuild trust with the community and show that you can change and that you are maturing.  I know I'm not perfect, but that is something I strive for and I strive to see in others.  It is that sustained change that builds trust.

Something that would go a long way in my book would be calling out K3 and denouncing him on Reddit.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: strict on Thu, 16 October 2014, 21:19:25

Quote from: BunnyLake on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:25:18

all of this just smacks of you realising the position you are now in, and desperately trying to back pedal and get away with it, you didnt apologise, you denied, made excuses and continued to belittle people

you even managed to turn this post about you and your apparent design skills

do you not understand, that relentlessly teasing someone for their design, offending them, and telling them to **** off, isnt fixed by you renaming their buy, redoing their artwork and insinuating they need your help to make it a success, you are doing everything you can to make him feel as small as possible

im not gonna get started on all the backhanded insults you made at me, people can clearly read that for what it is

Quote from: HipsterPunks on Thu, 16 October 2014, 19:54:14

i read this earlier and decided not to comment because it didnt read as an apology, more so a blame shifting, condescending, polished up turd rebuttle.

This is really how I interpreted this whole thread. I cringed hard reading his "apology" and every post after that just made it seem ever-more insincere.

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: whentheclouds on Thu, 16 October 2014, 21:27:23

i thought this whole fiasco blew over already? anyway, i've always had a less than stellar opinion of Mito since his first GB, especially his 'community' rhetorics, but this comment really solidified my view of him:

"Do you believe that the ****er just printed this comment, went to the Cospar thread and said that he will ban everybody (from his site) that shows interest on my stuff? I'm laughing so hard (lol), he's looking like those dictators that manipulate everyone in order to impose his point of view and desires. Poor man, should've graduated from college, at least. I'm not a native english speaker and apparently I've got more knowledge over the English language than he does, as he can't even use commas or capitals. Seriously, sometimes I struggle to read his ****. He believes that banning people from that **** is a big deal. I'm probably banned already, so sad... Now I can't buy overpriced stuff to make him profit."

i'm completely aware bunny and co said were also guilty of making some unpleasant statements, but i didn't see anything close to resembling the level of malice found in the above comment. i doubted that the same person who was capable of such vitriol just a day or two prior could write anything more than a half assed apology, and reading it confirms what i was thinking. even in his posts itt, he is trying to say 'yes i ****ed up but you also ****ed up', which isn't what an apology is.

Mito, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt as to the sincerity of your apology, but ultimately you're further distancing yourself from the people you're trying to reconcile with, which include those who have helped you with your first foray into leading a GB, and neutral onlookers who might enjoy your designs but refrain from purchasing due to the infamy you have attained in that last few days. i hope you take a break from the site, learn more about keyboarding and return later when this is buried and forgotten

edit:

Quote from: nubbinator on Thu, 16 October 2014, 21:13:47

Then I watched as you began to belittle people's designs and mock-ups, my own included.

this too. he got into a spat with another guy on Reddit over some frivolous BS relating to their respective keysets. also it was pretty funny to see him post his opinion on others' designs like some kind of expert. i still don't hate him, but he should be aware of how he carries himself in other people's views. if the posts made by numerous individuals over the last few days didn't make it clear, then i'm not sure how else we can help him

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 16 October 2014, 22:13:18

So dang. More drama. How hard is it to say 'Sorry, I messed up. I'll try to do better in the future. Just watch.'?

I missed all of this when it was happening, but was asked by one of the parties to look at it today.  I did.

At this point, I think that everyone who is going to apologize has done so - to the best of their ability. And now we have freakin' official threads from everybody.

AND NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT KEYBOARDS..

So dang.

Can everyone PLEASE just move on?  MiTo, just pipe down and give it time.  More words won't help. Everyone else, please no more threads about 'the situation',  Please, I beg you.

How about that new Ducky Shine Mini, eh?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 22:16:34

So... time for a lock?

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 16 October 2014, 22:25:11

Quote from: hwood34 on Thu, 16 October 2014, 22:16:34

So... time for a lock?

I cannot argue with a cyberpunk vulture.

Done.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Title: Re: MiTo's statements about the BunnyLake, JD and Nubbinator situation.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 16 October 2014, 22:36:28

Since you are waiting on my reply, MiTo, I'll just let you know that I am not going to comment at this time, other than to say that I am taking some time to reflect on this thread, recent events, and how you present yourself in the near future, before I post anything further on the matter.