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Title: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: Protato_Tubby on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:36:31
So, MSI's new Gaming Laptop has a built in mech keyboard.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/30/msi-gt80-titan/?ncid=rss_truncated (http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/30/msi-gt80-titan/?ncid=rss_truncated)
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:41:29
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Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:43:09
I'm not sure how I feel about this...
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:43:24
That laptop I'd way too thick for normal use.  5cm is just too much. I think those caps are oem as well which is really quite silly I would like it instead if we got a laptop with Matias switches that came with dsa caps.
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Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:45:18
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Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:46:22
I'm more worried about what the heck is going on with the tenkey.

It almost looks like a touch-ten key that maybe doubles as the touch pad?
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:48:19
I'm more worried about what the heck is going on with the tenkey.

It almost looks like a touch-ten key that maybe doubles as the touch pad?

Pretty sure that is exactly what it is.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:49:53
I'm more worried about what the heck is going on with the tenkey.

It almost looks like a touch-ten key that maybe doubles as the touch pad?

The two buttons at the bottom lead me to believe that that is the touchpad which is really quite innovative imo. I don't really care that we don't get a real tenkey if it means thinning things down. God knows how bad it would be if this was any larger.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: ideus on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:50:54
I just wonder what is the actual demography that made up the market for this thing.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:52:47
The two buttons at the bottom lead me to believe that that is the touchpad which is really quite innovative imo. I don't really care that we don't get a real tenkey if it means thinning things down. God knows how bad it would be if this was any larger.

I'm thinking more from a functional perspective. You have a widescreen monitor with a touchpad that is in a portrait layout.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 30 October 2014, 13:54:45
The two buttons at the bottom lead me to believe that that is the touchpad which is really quite innovative imo. I don't really care that we don't get a real tenkey if it means thinning things down. God knows how bad it would be if this was any larger.

I'm thinking more from a functional perspective. You have a widescreen monitor with a touchpad that is in a portrait layout.

Still, if you're someone who can tolerate a laptop this bulky, you won't mind if you have to carry a mouse as well.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: inanis on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:08:13
I don't get these huge laptops at all. At that point a desktop seems to make more sense to me. Also, if you are going to get a mechanical keyboard in a laptop I would expect the caps to be DSA, it seems like an extraordinarily poor choice to use DCS/OEM. This thing must be a behemoth even when closed up.

In summary, it is just too big.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:08:28
The two buttons at the bottom lead me to believe that that is the touchpad which is really quite innovative imo. I don't really care that we don't get a real tenkey if it means thinning things down. God knows how bad it would be if this was any larger.

I'm thinking more from a functional perspective. You have a widescreen monitor with a touchpad that is in a portrait layout.

Still, if you're someone who can tolerate a laptop this bulky, you won't mind if you have to carry a mouse as well.

I'd prbably get a PCMCIA mouse. A laptop this huge would pretty much have to have a pcmcia port on it.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: JinDesu on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:10:54
Isn't there a lower profile mechanical key than MX browns? Seems like a solution to a question no one asked.
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Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:11:10
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Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: JDorfler on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:13:22
All ya'all can complain all you want.  I'm thinking of getting it.  Why, because I can.  Just need to know I can slap Linux on it.
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Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:15:47
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Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: JDorfler on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:20:25
All ya'all can complain all you want.  I'm thinking of getting it.  Why, because I can.  Just need to know I can slap Linux on it.

>almost 2015
>buying a gaming laptop
>intentionally limiting the amount of games you can play on it

ishygddt

Why?  Because I can.  Compiz Cube will never look better than on this laptop.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: inanis on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:33:06
Why?  Because I can.  Compiz Cube will never look better than on this laptop.

I don't know about that since according to the linked article they haven't released any of the specs, other than it has a Mechanical Keyboard.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Sygaldry on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:52:02
I read somewhere that this thing comes with options for 32GB Ram and 2x Nvidia 900 series in SLI (don't quote me on this).

Still ugly as sin though.
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Post by: esoomenona on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:53:35
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Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 30 October 2014, 14:56:13
Isn't there a lower profile mechanical key than MX browns? Seems like a solution to a question no one asked.

Cherry ML switches are about half as high as mx and have been used in laptops for years.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: connorelsea on Thu, 30 October 2014, 15:02:54
Of course initially  the target market may be questioned, but I see people at school all these time using these HUGE laptops.

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Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: inanis on Thu, 30 October 2014, 15:03:19
Why?  Because I can.  Compiz Cube will never look better than on this laptop.

I don't know about that since according to the linked article they haven't released any of the specs, other than it has a Mechanical Keyboard.

http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/matthew-wilson/msi-reveals-gt80-titan-gaming-laptop/

This site claims to have a source on GPU spec at least.

Okay, that does sound pretty decent.  :thumb:

I still think that the over all experience would be better on a desktop, or at bare minimum a separate monitor. I guess a person could carry this around so that they have their system if they need it, but I think the size and weight take away from the enjoyment. Everyone has different needs though. So while this may not be my cup of tea, I'm sure it suits someone just perfectly. To each there own and all that.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 30 October 2014, 15:20:51
I still prefer Poker+tablet. Occasionally I wish they were integrated, but then I see this beast and its size and weight, and yeah I'm happy with my current setup again.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: jbondeson on Thu, 30 October 2014, 15:34:13
Why?  Because I can.  Compiz Cube will never look better than on this laptop.

I don't know about that since according to the linked article they haven't released any of the specs, other than it has a Mechanical Keyboard.

http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/matthew-wilson/msi-reveals-gt80-titan-gaming-laptop/

This site claims to have a source on GPU spec at least.

Damn near 2 inches thick and 10 lbs... oof. That thing is going to be a brick.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: bazh on Thu, 30 October 2014, 16:38:17
Why?  Because I can.  Compiz Cube will never look better than on this laptop.

I don't know about that since according to the linked article they haven't released any of the specs, other than it has a Mechanical Keyboard.

http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/matthew-wilson/msi-reveals-gt80-titan-gaming-laptop/

This site claims to have a source on GPU spec at least.

Damn near 2 inches thick and 10 lbs... oof. That thing is going to be a brick.

My friend brought his M18x the other day to the school, and I tried to put a Poker on it..

(https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10441029_886448208034655_5405387508200762506_n.jpg?oh=8f71ca405e266d32faa1af5eb8a2b5c9&oe=54F38654)


having a proper keyboard in a gaming laptop is actually good I think, giving how I imagine carry those 2 separate things around
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: AuRinBei on Thu, 30 October 2014, 19:41:08
I don't get these huge laptops at all. At that point a desktop seems to make more sense to me. Also, if you are going to get a mechanical keyboard in a laptop I would expect the caps to be DSA, it seems like an extraordinarily poor choice to use DCS/OEM. This thing must be a behemoth even when closed up.

In summary, it is just too big.

Even if you build micro ATX, the limiting factor in transporting your desktop a lot will become the screen. You'd have to save the original box or get a specialized carrying bag. Even then you have to find places to set everything up, including speakers if you use those. This thing might weigh 10 pounds, but in the end everyone can carry that, and it comes with a screen and speakers attached to it, so it's much, much easier to carry around and set up than any desktop.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Tiramisuu on Thu, 30 October 2014, 19:53:33
Most of my laptops have been luggables.   

Desktop replacement that I can actually do work on.   It would be nice to be able to rely on having a docking station and a 34" monitor so that I could go with a small laptop with a big video card  and plug in my machine at the keyboard monitor and mouse of my choice but traditionally I haven't been able to in a consulting role.

As an employee an obscenely overpowered laptop that I can dock is becoming a bit more appealing but it's still nice to be able to sit down and open a vm, a development ides,  a modelling tool, and a word processor and do some work.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: johndavis33 on Fri, 31 October 2014, 00:01:13
I like having a small laptop in terms in screensize/footprint, but I really don't mind a thick or heavy laptop at all. My thinkpad x220 tablet with the slice battery is about 3 inches thick, and is about 4-5 pounds heavy. Thought I would remove the slice at times when i felt it was too heavy or thick. Nope. I just leave it on. I certainly wouldn't mind adding an extra inch or so and an extra pound to include a mechanical keyboard. As long as I can balance it on one knee and carry it with one hand, it's small enough for me.

I can do without the "gaming" stuff, however.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: JDorfler on Fri, 31 October 2014, 03:31:56
Why?  Because I can.  Compiz Cube will never look better than on this laptop.

I don't know about that since according to the linked article they haven't released any of the specs, other than it has a Mechanical Keyboard.
I'm trying to be funny.  However, I'm pretty sure my plans will work.  I do dual boot.  I just use Linux more than Windows.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: crazystu on Fri, 31 October 2014, 04:12:22
This reminds me of those old computers that had the keyboard built in.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Coreda on Fri, 31 October 2014, 05:07:44
Also, for those people who use NoScript/RequestPolicy and don't want to jump through hoops to see a picture on engadget:

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(http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/news/36/36499/MSI-GT80-Titan.jpg)


I'm somewhat puzzled as to what the blank area above the keyboard is intended for, is it because of the monitor's aspect ratio?
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 31 October 2014, 05:14:02
Also, for those people who use NoScript/RequestPolicy and don't want to jump through hoops to see a picture on engadget:

Show Image
(http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/news/36/36499/MSI-GT80-Titan.jpg)


I'm somewhat puzzled as to what the blank area above the keyboard is intended for, is it because of the monitor's aspect ratio?

I think that's where the laptop components are, since they can't fit below the switches/pcb for the keyboard (which also looks to be lowered compared to the rest of the laptop).
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Motan22 on Fri, 31 October 2014, 05:18:45
I could actually see the appeal in this laptop myself if it was less gaming orientated and had more of a clean and refined look suitable for business.

As a contractor I have to lug my work laptop in and out of the site on a daily basis and the size of it does not matter too much since I just throw it in a laptop bag and it ends up getting slung in the back of the car. Basically it is a desktop replacement for me.

Not sure about the implementation shown here either though. At least MSI have decided to give it a shot and open it up to the market. Looking forward to seeing reviews.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Coreda on Fri, 31 October 2014, 05:43:45
I wonder if these type of hybrid laptops will find a market, as any enthusiast likely prefers their custom standalone board. Seems targeted at gamers who have only vaguely heard about mechanical boards, but the design may appeal to some.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: coreXeon on Fri, 31 October 2014, 05:46:03
This just looks stupid to me, I would personally choose a laptop with a 60 percent mechanical keyboard over this any day.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: dimamantra on Fri, 31 October 2014, 08:42:43
I'm more worried about what the heck is going on with the tenkey.

It almost looks like a touch-ten key that maybe doubles as the touch pad?

Yeah for a gaming laptop I would probably leave this out and if anything, use this are for macro keys. Maybe its for accountants that also likes to game when they are done with the audit...
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Post by: esoomenona on Fri, 31 October 2014, 09:02:29
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Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: dimamantra on Fri, 31 October 2014, 09:13:48
I wonder if these type of hybrid laptops will find a market, as any enthusiast likely prefers their custom standalone board. Seems targeted at gamers who have only vaguely heard about mechanical boards, but the design may appeal to some.

I don't think so. I think these types of things are marketed at gamers because it seems they will pay inordinate amounts of money, in comparison to the average consumer.

You pretty much nailed it right here.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Coreda on Fri, 31 October 2014, 19:15:47
Seems targeted at gamers...

I don't think so. I think these types of things are marketed at gamers...

Seems we're in agreement  ;D
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Protato_Tubby on Fri, 31 October 2014, 20:07:10
I feel like it's probably trying to be a desktop replacement.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 01 November 2014, 01:26:03
Vintage MX blue switches, with amber Omrons for spacebar/enter, plus hawt 640x200 monochrome widescreen display, 8MHz CPU, and dual floppy drives!

List price of only ~ $2,500 in 2014 dollars (i.e. adjusted for inflation; $1300 in 1989).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321558184027

(http://i.imgur.com/2hxQyC1.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6529vpq.jpg)
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: jackalope on Sat, 01 November 2014, 03:42:15
Vintage MX blue switches, with amber Omrons for spacebar/enter, plus hawt 640x200 monochrome widescreen display, 8MHz CPU, and dual floppy drives!

List price of only ~ $2,500 in 2014 dollars (i.e. adjusted for inflation; $1300 in 1989).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321558184027

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2hxQyC1.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/6529vpq.jpg)


Gutted with a raspberry pi it could be interesting.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: bazh on Sat, 01 November 2014, 04:22:27
the keycaps look beautiful!
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: jackalope on Sat, 01 November 2014, 04:33:05
Also, for those people who use NoScript/RequestPolicy and don't want to jump through hoops to see a picture on engadget:

Show Image
(http://img1.lesnumeriques.com/news/36/36499/MSI-GT80-Titan.jpg)


Thank you.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: jacobolus on Sat, 01 November 2014, 04:38:46
the keycaps look beautiful!
Pad printed ABS. If you want I’ll sell you some!
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: yasuo on Sat, 01 November 2014, 04:53:53
 ;D
(http://www.sieler.com/lexbook/lb10open.jpg)
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: jackalope on Sat, 01 November 2014, 04:58:41
;D
Show Image
(http://www.sieler.com/lexbook/lb10open.jpg)


Love the look of old keyboards
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: yasuo on Sat, 01 November 2014, 05:05:30
yup i think ml switch
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Post by: esoomenona on Sun, 02 November 2014, 05:22:33
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Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Coreda on Sun, 02 November 2014, 05:41:55
Vintage MX blue switches, with amber Omrons for spacebar/enter, plus hawt 640x200 monochrome widescreen display, 8MHz CPU, and dual floppy drives!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2hxQyC1.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/6529vpq.jpg)


Looks more appealing than the MSI one.

Way to ignore context. You wondered if there would be a market outside of gamers, I gave a thought as to why not. You said it was marketed to gamers, I gave a reason why.

Actually my post said if this had a market at all, although it seemed targeted at gamers.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Sun, 02 November 2014, 05:52:27
Vintage MX blue switches, with amber Omrons for spacebar/enter …

What a weird combination. I guess green didn't exist yet, and Cherry wanted to charge too much to make some up.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: shut up on Sun, 02 November 2014, 10:01:25
I think I like the idea, but the execution is a little bit meh.

Also, a mechanical keyboard wouldn't really fit  with the profile of a laptop, especially if you're bringing it into public places. Even if it's got browns.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: C5Allroad on Sun, 02 November 2014, 11:41:13
It's an interesting idea...
But it looks terrible...
I get that it's a desktop replacement, but it's almost useless because of how large.
Title: Re: Mechanical Keyboard in a laptop
Post by: awhitedev on Sun, 02 November 2014, 16:27:20
I bet this thing is going to weigh a ton! I'd much rather have a laptop that is light weight and small. I'd just bring a TKL board with me if I wanted to type for long periods of time.
Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: mkawa on Tue, 04 November 2014, 06:46:59
my this is that we're infection the rest of the world

we're spreading! like a virus!rararaghrgahrgahrgarhgahrg (virus noises)
Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 04 November 2014, 07:04:58
Personally, I think this is pretty awesome. My brother would probably be very interested in this. He tends to need a desktop replacement in a laptop and doesn't mind the bulk since it's certainly more portable than a full desktop system.

Also, standard layout!.... STANDARD LAYOUT! Hallelujah!
Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: Matias on Tue, 04 November 2014, 08:07:57
You might see something like this from Lenovo as well.

I know that they are looking into it.  Apparently they wanted to use Cherry ML switches.

Looks like MSI beat them to the punch.

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Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: katushkin on Tue, 04 November 2014, 08:15:02
"The first ever gaming notebook..."

I thought notebooks were meant to be a smaller version of a laptop?
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Post by: esoomenona on Tue, 04 November 2014, 08:16:30
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Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: Matias on Tue, 04 November 2014, 08:20:26
"The first ever gaming notebook..."

I thought notebooks were meant to be a smaller version of a laptop?




I think we're going to have to start calling them tomes (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tome)

Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: MOZ on Tue, 04 November 2014, 11:33:42
This is pretty cool IMO. I know at least a few guys that look for portable workstations, not something portable, they have smaller netbooks for that. The only downer is the flashy look.
Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: NeedAFix on Tue, 04 November 2014, 17:50:08
That is a nice laptop.

I'm a desktop only person now though.
Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: False_Dmitry_II on Wed, 05 November 2014, 01:01:49
Among other things, I have a 17.3 inch gaming laptop. The point of the laptop is ease of use, it doesn't matter how heavy it is. Plop it right down on a table, open it up and there you are in Dead Space or Battlefield or whatever else. The larger screen itself also adds to the experience.

As opposed to having to then bring in the monitor, keyboard and speakers and an extra power strip to plug it all into. I've seen some comments on tech sites that gaming all-in-ones because of the larger screen issue (up to 24-inches) would make those good for people who end up in hotels for long amounts of time, because they have most of the ease of carrying of gaming laptops, the same performance profile, and a larger screen.

"The first ever gaming notebook..."

I thought notebooks were meant to be a smaller version of a laptop?

No those two terms are interchangeable. (Or at least they are in the states) As has been said it's netbooks that are small.

"The first ever gaming notebook..."

I thought notebooks were meant to be a smaller version of a laptop?


I think we're going to have to start calling them tomes[/url
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That's fantastic. I never liked the term notebook, but I may start using tome. Or maybe grimoire...
Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: Grim Fandango on Wed, 05 November 2014, 01:15:46
For me, a laptop is to use on the go and in different places. The last thing I want is a noisy keyboard on them, and all Cherry MX switches are incredibly noisy.
Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: BlackWidowMan777 on Wed, 05 November 2014, 01:30:29
You might see something like this from Lenovo as well.

I know that they are looking into it.  Apparently they wanted to use Cherry ML switches.

Looks like MSI beat them to the punch.

I wonder why Microsoft, with their surface pro 2 and 3, didn't do this first. I guess lenovo and microsoft R&D don't read geekhack.
Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: Motan22 on Wed, 05 November 2014, 01:38:04
This is pretty cool IMO. I know at least a few guys that look for portable workstations, not something portable, they have smaller netbooks for that. The only downer is the flashy look.

Pretty much my opinion on this too Moz.

I use my laptop as a large but portable CAD machine solely for business purposes. If something like this was to be incorporated into a workstation laptop in a more tasteful and less flashy way, I would definitely be interested.
Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 09 January 2015, 16:28:31

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Title: Re: MSI laptop with mechanical keyboard?
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Fri, 09 January 2015, 18:27:22
YouTube is broken on geekhack now ... assuming that's what you've posted, and not a load of blank lines.