IMHO if your CPU is a 950 or higher you might not get a huge performance increase in that budget.
Your ram is good, but that system should be running 3-channel so if you have 16GB doesn't seem like you have it set up optimally.
If it was me I would buy a new GPU and SSDs and hang on for a year or two more.
If you want MATX, then I would say that the best looking one and most functional one is the Node 804
Ok.. so good.. we have a budget.. $800
what are you going to DO.... with this PC.....
Ok.. so good.. we have a budget.. $800
what are you going to DO.... with this PC.....
It's mostly going to be for media storage, (hence the 8TB) streaming and a little bit of gaming. No AAA titles at Ultra high graphics, but for LAN parties occasionally.
Let me give you an example of vanity..
You have a computer case.. Buying a new case..
Anything related to Microatx or Itx..
Buying a $50 cpu cooler..
For the current gen haswell, you HAVE TO delid.. for maximum overclocking.
Let me give you an example of vanity..
You have a computer case.. Buying a new case..
Anything related to Microatx or Itx..
Buying a $50 cpu cooler..
For the current gen haswell, you HAVE TO delid.. for maximum overclocking.
It is not for vanity. It is for convenience. It is the whole point in this build to get it smaller. I have a main desktop PC now, and I don't want another full tower just for storage and the occasional game.
what are you going to do with ur old setup.
How's about this one?
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2QJrt6) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2QJrt6/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646g3258) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87I-Deluxe Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z87ideluxe) ($133.79 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00) ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct256mx100ssd1) ($109.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n750titf2gd5oc) ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Mini R2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcaarcminir2blw) ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 400W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss400fl2) ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-bc12b1stblkbas) ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $833.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-19 19:59 EST-0500
My reasonings and thoughts:
1. You are factoring in size over power.
2. You said "occasional game" which I took to mean nothing seriously resource intensive, so the CPU should be just fine. As such:
3. Stock cooling should be just fine.
4. The Crucial MX100 series is the best bang-for-your-buck on the market at the moment.
5. The case will hold all your drives. I could have gone for a MiniITX case, but you would sacrifice the side window to get one capable of holding all the drives.
6. For occasional gaming, a 750 Ti should work.
7. DDR3-1600 RAM is enough. If you need higher RAM speeds, you should invest more money into the computer to bring it closer to the other desktop's configuration.
8. For such a small form factor case, you want a fully modular PSU so you don't have excess cables sitting inside the case.
9. The ODD is what I would put into it. You can opt for just a DVD-RW for less or just omit it altogether.
How's about this one?
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2QJrt6) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2QJrt6/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646g3258) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87I-Deluxe Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z87ideluxe) ($133.79 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00) ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct256mx100ssd1) ($109.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n750titf2gd5oc) ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Mini R2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcaarcminir2blw) ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 400W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss400fl2) ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-bc12b1stblkbas) ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $833.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-19 19:59 EST-0500
My reasonings and thoughts:
1. You are factoring in size over power.
2. You said "occasional game" which I took to mean nothing seriously resource intensive, so the CPU should be just fine. As such:
3. Stock cooling should be just fine.
4. The Crucial MX100 series is the best bang-for-your-buck on the market at the moment.
5. The case will hold all your drives. I could have gone for a MiniITX case, but you would sacrifice the side window to get one capable of holding all the drives.
6. For occasional gaming, a 750 Ti should work.
7. DDR3-1600 RAM is enough. If you need higher RAM speeds, you should invest more money into the computer to bring it closer to the other desktop's configuration.
8. For such a small form factor case, you want a fully modular PSU so you don't have excess cables sitting inside the case.
9. The ODD is what I would put into it. You can opt for just a DVD-RW for less or just omit it altogether.
no no no no no no no no no
you're totally wasting money if you have $800 and put together a g3258 ..
G3258 only beats 4690/4790 in price to performance @ less than $600
When I read your topic I said to myself: "wow what a nice GPU. I or my brother (who also has a 6950) could make good use of that". Then I read your post later on and I apparently already mentioned something.what are you going to do with ur old setup.
Well the old GPU is probably going to go to Dorkvader because he asked me a while ago for it, but I may keep the old CPU cooler. I'm going to keep using all the HDDs and optical drives, but the PSU, Mobo and CPU, I have no idea.
Unless he's planning to run heavy duty, resource intensive games, a 4690/4790 would be overkill.
I guess the most important thing to know is exactly what games he's planning to play on it so we can plan accordingly.
How's about this one?
PCPartPicker part list (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2QJrt6) / Price breakdown by merchant (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2QJrt6/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646g3258) ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z87I-Deluxe Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-motherboard-z87ideluxe) ($133.79 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-memory-bls2kit8g3d1609ds1s00) ($149.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/crucial-internal-hard-drive-ct256mx100ssd1) ($109.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-video-card-n750titf2gd5oc) ($134.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Mini R2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcaarcminir2blw) ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic X Series 400W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss400fl2) ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer (http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-bc12b1stblkbas) ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $833.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-11-19 19:59 EST-0500
My reasonings and thoughts:
1. You are factoring in size over power.
2. You said "occasional game" which I took to mean nothing seriously resource intensive, so the CPU should be just fine. As such:
3. Stock cooling should be just fine.
4. The Crucial MX100 series is the best bang-for-your-buck on the market at the moment.
5. The case will hold all your drives. I could have gone for a MiniITX case, but you would sacrifice the side window to get one capable of holding all the drives.
6. For occasional gaming, a 750 Ti should work.
7. DDR3-1600 RAM is enough. If you need higher RAM speeds, you should invest more money into the computer to bring it closer to the other desktop's configuration.
8. For such a small form factor case, you want a fully modular PSU so you don't have excess cables sitting inside the case.
9. The ODD is what I would put into it. You can opt for just a DVD-RW for less or just omit it altogether.
no no no no no no no no no
you're totally wasting money if you have $800 and put together a g3258 ..
G3258 only beats 4690/4790 in price to performance @ less than $600
Your concern would be understandable if this were a budget gaming machine, but Katushkin specifically stated that this machine would primarily be a media storage machine... basically a glorified NAS server with a few extra capabilities.
Unless he's planning to run heavy duty, resource intensive games, a 4690/4790 would be overkill.
I guess the most important thing to know is exactly what games he's planning to play on it so we can plan accordingly.
right.. but his budget is $800... if we take that as "the constant".. there's a better way to spend $800, and that's with the 4690k ..That's not the only parameter. He's not wanting to get the most performance for his money, he wants the most performance optimized for his use case for the money. If I want a computer to run 12*4TB drives and also be able to play chips challenge (classic windows98 game ported from atari lynx) then a 4690K is not the best answer at any budget.
right.. but his budget is $800... if we take that as "the constant".. there's a better way to spend $800, and that's with the 4690k ..
anyway I agree here. I used to game on a first gen mac pro from 2006 with two dual core intel xeons from long before core i7 was a thing. On that system I was able to run all my games with settings almost all the way up and the bottleneck was the GPU (CPU usage remained at or about 50% for all cores). A modern CPU will be way better than those monsters unless you're trying to render physx on your CPU or something.
right.. but his budget is $800... if we take that as "the constant".. there's a better way to spend $800, and that's with the 4690k ..
I would argue against that.
Unless you plan on overclocking your machine, the K-series processors are a waste of money. Given his declared use for the computer, overclocking will likely never come into play. As to the "dual core vs quad core" thing, unless he's running programs that require a quad core processor (those are typically higher end software and high end games), then a quad core will be useless as well. It would be wasted money to get one, as the capabilities would never come into play. It's like getting a dual-CPU motherboard with two high end Xeon processors just to play Sim City. It's a colossal waste of money and resources, and the money could be better spent elsewhere.
When I read your topic I said to myself: "wow what a nice GPU. I or my brother (who also has a 6950) could make good use of that". Then I read your post later on and I apparently already mentioned something.
Overclocking is non-negotiable...Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/whaaat3-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862525)
Case wise, I think the Node 804 is perfect for what I want. Lots of drive bays, small form factor, windowed side, I think that's what I will stick with.
I have never overclocked any machines I've owned, and I don't ever factor it in to my builds. I don't think I'm going to do it this time either... Sorry...
Games I'm going to play are probably going to be limited to Runescape and maybe dota, I don't think I'm going to be playing it a lot though, as I don't play it on my main machine very much anymore. I don't think I would be able to go as low as a dual core CPU though. I could get an i3 haswell for about $100 so I might go with that.
Erm... i3 processors are dual core. You only get quad core when you hit i5, i7, and Xeon processors...
Given that the max recommended requirements calls for a dual core, a quad core would be overkill and wasted money. Save the cash and just get a dual core.
No804 is such a crummy case..
Yea it's shorter and boxy.. but that only means it takes up MORE space, unless you're gonna be stacking books ontop of this thing. which you wouldn't because Firehazard + insulates heat.
Something like a carbide 200r is much better AND actually takes up less space..
floor space is the premium (the flat bottom part)Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/hehe-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862507).. case height and total volume is almost completely irrelevant..
If you do NOT overclock..
You are essentially throwing away 50% of what you pay for..
I did what you're going for last summer, Katush, and I'm 100% pleased with the results of my build. Our desires of function are similar, I even went with a Haswell i3 (which I can upgrade later if I feel it's being a bottleneck, but at this point it's been totally sufficient!)
I have to wholeheartedly recommend this case: Fractal Node 304 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352027&cm_re=node_304-_-11-352-027-_-Product) mini-ITX caseShow Image(http://content.hwigroup.net/images/products/xl/162726.jpg)
The layout is fantastic, there's very little wasted space, but it's not so cramped that airflow is restricted. It can fit a large video card, but you have to buy a shallower power supply (which Fractal also makes one that fits the job perfectly).
Well, I think it looks good, and it does everything I want. It's not always about floor space, because the NZXT Phantom I have is 55cmH 59D and 22W, I just want something smaller.
is not really2 old to me :eek:
I thought the same thing! I'm running an Intel Q6300 (I'm pretty sure, I'm not home to double check) on my desktop at home, and it must be 7+ years old. 4GB RAM, EVGA 9800 GT, which is probably slightly less old. Some kind of Gigabyte motherboard. It does everything I need it too. I would love to rebuild it into a smaller form factor, so I can see where the motivation to replace it is coming from. The case I have is huge. I'm too cheap to replace it with no good reason. I would like to upgrade that RAM tho....I'll have to look into that.
7+ years old? Sounds like it may be DDR2 RAM. Good luck with that! Places that do sell it sell it for a premium as it is rare. At this point, you might as well bite the bullet and upgrade the whole thing.
Well, I think it looks good, and it does everything I want. It's not always about floor space, because the NZXT Phantom I have is 55cmH 59D and 22W, I just want something smaller.
Node 804 Dimensions: 344mm W x 307mm H x 389mm D
Arc Mini R2 Dimensions: 210mm W x 405mm H x 484mm D
Basically, the Arc Mini R2 is narrower than the Node 804, but taller and deeper. Sure you get more drive bays in the Node 804, but at the expense of having to buy a slot loading ODD which are hard to find and a bit on the expensive side (that or using an external drive).
Unless you think you're going to fill up the thing with hard drives (in which case you will need a JBOD SATA expansion card to accommodate the drives), then the Arc Mini R2 is a better deal, in my opinion.
pc sice' 08 intel pentium 4,RAM 1gb upgred to 2gb (i want update again to 4gb) RAM ddr2 still expensive to me, i use gigabyte also, VGA is nvidia 9500gt, HDD 320gb (500gb actually but broken :mad: i need upgrade at least can play favorite gameis not really2 old to me :eek:
I thought the same thing! I'm running an Intel Q6300 (I'm pretty sure, I'm not home to double check) on my desktop at home, and it must be 7+ years old. 4GB RAM, EVGA 9800 GT, which is probably slightly less old. Some kind of Gigabyte motherboard. It does everything I need it too. I would love to rebuild it into a smaller form factor, so I can see where the motivation to replace it is coming from. The case I have is huge. I'm too cheap to replace it with no good reason. I would like to upgrade that RAM tho....I'll have to look into that.
pc sice' 08 intel pentium 4,RAM 1gb upgred to 2gb (i want update again to 4gb) RAM ddr2 still expensive to me, i use gigabyte also, VGA is nvidia 9500gt, HDD 320gb (500gb actually but broken :mad: i need upgrade at least can play favorite gameis not really2 old to me :eek:
I thought the same thing! I'm running an Intel Q6300 (I'm pretty sure, I'm not home to double check) on my desktop at home, and it must be 7+ years old. 4GB RAM, EVGA 9800 GT, which is probably slightly less old. Some kind of Gigabyte motherboard. It does everything I need it too. I would love to rebuild it into a smaller form factor, so I can see where the motivation to replace it is coming from. The case I have is huge. I'm too cheap to replace it with no good reason. I would like to upgrade that RAM tho....I'll have to look into that.
you want build small PC interisting! :D like liva mini
If I'm honest, I could probably count the amount of times I've used the optical drives in the last 3 years on one hand, so it's not that big a deal to me. Drivers can all be updated online or transferred via USB, and most games you buy have to be activated online through steam if you buy a hard copy anyway.
But I take your point about the R2. I shall bear tat in mind as well as the 304, but then that is getting into Mini ITX and a whole nother kettle of fish =/
My next worry is about getting a small power supply, and having enough connectors to power all my HDDs, although I guess you can always get one cable to power multiple drives so I guess it's not that much of an issue.
it's first pc I do not know much when it, purchase by parent and it's not embedded vga so buy separatepc sice' 08 intel pentium 4,RAM 1gb upgred to 2gb (i want update again to 4gb) RAM ddr2 still expensive to me, i use gigabyte also, VGA is nvidia 9500gt, HDD 320gb (500gb actually but broken :mad: i need upgrade at least can play favorite gameis not really2 old to me :eek:
I thought the same thing! I'm running an Intel Q6300 (I'm pretty sure, I'm not home to double check) on my desktop at home, and it must be 7+ years old. 4GB RAM, EVGA 9800 GT, which is probably slightly less old. Some kind of Gigabyte motherboard. It does everything I need it too. I would love to rebuild it into a smaller form factor, so I can see where the motivation to replace it is coming from. The case I have is huge. I'm too cheap to replace it with no good reason. I would like to upgrade that RAM tho....I'll have to look into that.
you want build small PC interisting! :D like liva mini
You bought a pentium 4 in 08 ?
Core 2 duo came out in 06 ?
TO be totally pragmatic.. anything 2ghz+ Core2duo with an SSD will feel pretty darn fast.. Haswell is roughly twice as fast as the core2duo clock for clock.. which isn't actually that much when it comes to daily tasks...
But the Minimum line is there... if you have anything released prior to c2d, like socket 939, socket 478, early 775.. you'd want to ditch those..
If we look at q6700.. @ 3.7ghz overclock, it punches 4648 points..
the latest 4690k @ 3.7ghz will do 8180 points.. only 75% more..
it's first pc I do not know much when it, purchase by parent and it's not embedded vga so buy separatepc sice' 08 intel pentium 4,RAM 1gb upgred to 2gb (i want update again to 4gb) RAM ddr2 still expensive to me, i use gigabyte also, VGA is nvidia 9500gt, HDD 320gb (500gb actually but broken :mad: i need upgrade at least can play favorite gameis not really2 old to me :eek:
I thought the same thing! I'm running an Intel Q6300 (I'm pretty sure, I'm not home to double check) on my desktop at home, and it must be 7+ years old. 4GB RAM, EVGA 9800 GT, which is probably slightly less old. Some kind of Gigabyte motherboard. It does everything I need it too. I would love to rebuild it into a smaller form factor, so I can see where the motivation to replace it is coming from. The case I have is huge. I'm too cheap to replace it with no good reason. I would like to upgrade that RAM tho....I'll have to look into that.
you want build small PC interisting! :D like liva mini
You bought a pentium 4 in 08 ?
Core 2 duo came out in 06 ?
TO be totally pragmatic.. anything 2ghz+ Core2duo with an SSD will feel pretty darn fast.. Haswell is roughly twice as fast as the core2duo clock for clock.. which isn't actually that much when it comes to daily tasks...
But the Minimum line is there... if you have anything released prior to c2d, like socket 939, socket 478, early 775.. you'd want to ditch those..
If we look at q6700.. @ 3.7ghz overclock, it punches 4648 points..
the latest 4690k @ 3.7ghz will do 8180 points.. only 75% more..
btw the matter procies is core or clock(ghz) like core2duo with 2,4 or core i3 but 1,8ghz? :rolleyes:
I mean that is important from the processor for faster is core or clock exp: core2duo 2,4ghz or core i3 1,8ghz?it's first pc I do not know much when it, purchase by parent and it's not embedded vga so buy separatepc sice' 08 intel pentium 4,RAM 1gb upgred to 2gb (i want update again to 4gb) RAM ddr2 still expensive to me, i use gigabyte also, VGA is nvidia 9500gt, HDD 320gb (500gb actually but broken :mad: i need upgrade at least can play favorite gameis not really2 old to me :eek:
I thought the same thing! I'm running an Intel Q6300 (I'm pretty sure, I'm not home to double check) on my desktop at home, and it must be 7+ years old. 4GB RAM, EVGA 9800 GT, which is probably slightly less old. Some kind of Gigabyte motherboard. It does everything I need it too. I would love to rebuild it into a smaller form factor, so I can see where the motivation to replace it is coming from. The case I have is huge. I'm too cheap to replace it with no good reason. I would like to upgrade that RAM tho....I'll have to look into that.
you want build small PC interisting! :D like liva mini
You bought a pentium 4 in 08 ?
Core 2 duo came out in 06 ?
TO be totally pragmatic.. anything 2ghz+ Core2duo with an SSD will feel pretty darn fast.. Haswell is roughly twice as fast as the core2duo clock for clock.. which isn't actually that much when it comes to daily tasks...
But the Minimum line is there... if you have anything released prior to c2d, like socket 939, socket 478, early 775.. you'd want to ditch those..
If we look at q6700.. @ 3.7ghz overclock, it punches 4648 points..
the latest 4690k @ 3.7ghz will do 8180 points.. only 75% more..
btw the matter procies is core or clock(ghz) like core2duo with 2,4 or core i3 but 1,8ghz? :rolleyes:
what ?
I mean that is important from the processor for faster is core or clock exp: core2duo 2,4ghz or core i3 1,8ghz?it's first pc I do not know much when it, purchase by parent and it's not embedded vga so buy separatepc sice' 08 intel pentium 4,RAM 1gb upgred to 2gb (i want update again to 4gb) RAM ddr2 still expensive to me, i use gigabyte also, VGA is nvidia 9500gt, HDD 320gb (500gb actually but broken :mad: i need upgrade at least can play favorite gameis not really2 old to me :eek:
I thought the same thing! I'm running an Intel Q6300 (I'm pretty sure, I'm not home to double check) on my desktop at home, and it must be 7+ years old. 4GB RAM, EVGA 9800 GT, which is probably slightly less old. Some kind of Gigabyte motherboard. It does everything I need it too. I would love to rebuild it into a smaller form factor, so I can see where the motivation to replace it is coming from. The case I have is huge. I'm too cheap to replace it with no good reason. I would like to upgrade that RAM tho....I'll have to look into that.
you want build small PC interisting! :D like liva mini
You bought a pentium 4 in 08 ?
Core 2 duo came out in 06 ?
TO be totally pragmatic.. anything 2ghz+ Core2duo with an SSD will feel pretty darn fast.. Haswell is roughly twice as fast as the core2duo clock for clock.. which isn't actually that much when it comes to daily tasks...
But the Minimum line is there... if you have anything released prior to c2d, like socket 939, socket 478, early 775.. you'd want to ditch those..
If we look at q6700.. @ 3.7ghz overclock, it punches 4648 points..
the latest 4690k @ 3.7ghz will do 8180 points.. only 75% more..
btw the matter procies is core or clock(ghz) like core2duo with 2,4 or core i3 but 1,8ghz? :rolleyes:
what ?
No.. if you get the Goku3258 for an $800 build.. You're throwing money down the toilet.. you'll be cpu bottlenecked for whatever GFX card you get in the 150-200 range..
Again.. for an $800 budget.. you're really putting money in the WRONG PLACE by going itx..
if you're DEAD SET on itx... get a $150 itx z87 which is usually cheaper than similar quality z97...
and get the i7 4690k..
Then figure it out from there.. You can probably get the motherboard Used as well.. many people ditch itx once they realize that it's just fun to look at, but horribly impractical later on..
No.. if you get the Goku3258 for an $800 build.. You're throwing money down the toilet.. you'll be cpu bottlenecked for whatever GFX card you get in the 150-200 range..
Again.. for an $800 budget.. you're really putting money in the WRONG PLACE by going itx..
if you're DEAD SET on itx... get a $150 itx z87 which is usually cheaper than similar quality z97...
and get the i7 4690k..
Then figure it out from there.. You can probably get the motherboard Used as well.. many people ditch itx once they realize that it's just fun to look at, but horribly impractical later on..
I'm pretty sure I've still got an 1150 socket cooler from an i5 as well, so I might use that as a "stock" cooler too.
I'm pretty sure I've still got an 1150 socket cooler from an i5 as well, so I might use that as a "stock" cooler too.
If it's the one that came with the i5, it's indistinguishable from the stock cooler for any 1150. That's why they are stock coolers. Every 1150 processor gets one.
No.. if you get the Goku3258 for an $800 build.. You're throwing money down the toilet.. you'll be cpu bottlenecked for whatever GFX card you get in the 150-200 range..
Again.. for an $800 budget.. you're really putting money in the WRONG PLACE by going itx..
if you're DEAD SET on itx... get a $150 itx z87 which is usually cheaper than similar quality z97...
and get the i7 4690k..
Then figure it out from there.. You can probably get the motherboard Used as well.. many people ditch itx once they realize that it's just fun to look at, but horribly impractical later on..
Media Storage Build with Light Gaming.
A quad core processor would be utterly wasted.
Yeah, but to continue the car analogy, your idea is the same as getting a Mustang Cobra and adding a turbocharger, then giving it to someone who only drives it to pick up and drop off their kids from school and drive to and from work, with the occasional night out at the movies. It's wasted potential. Better to have the Civic that will cost FAR less and accomplish the same task.
After reading through the recommendations already noted, may I suggest this? Since you will not be overclocking, get the standard version of the Pentium and pair it with a B85 mobo (make sure it has enough sata ports - the entry boards only have 4 and 2 of those are sata2). As for cases, I highly recommend against a cube case unless you have a shelf to put it on. They take up a ton of desk space. Also, as much as I want to like the Fractal cases, I just can't take the build quality. I have owned a couple of them and they both had issues with cross threaded screws and flimsy panels.
CPU: 41.99 http://www.ebuyer.com/629969-intel-pentium-dual-core-g3240-3-10ghz-socket-1150-3mb-l3-cache-retail-bx80646g3240 (http://www.ebuyer.com/629969-intel-pentium-dual-core-g3240-3-10ghz-socket-1150-3mb-l3-cache-retail-bx80646g3240)
Mobo: 44.39 http://www.ebuyer.com/630800-gigabyte-ga-b85m-d2v-socket-1150-vga-dvi-hd-audio-micro-atx-motherboard-ga-b85m-d2v (http://www.ebuyer.com/630800-gigabyte-ga-b85m-d2v-socket-1150-vga-dvi-hd-audio-micro-atx-motherboard-ga-b85m-d2v)
keep your memory, hdds. This plus a 750Ti 2gb (my recommendation for GPU) and a gold rated 500w psu and you are good to go.
Yeah, but to continue the car analogy, your idea is the same as getting a Mustang Cobra and adding a turbocharger, then giving it to someone who only drives it to pick up and drop off their kids from school and drive to and from work, with the occasional night out at the movies. It's wasted potential. Better to have the Civic that will cost FAR less and accomplish the same task.
Yes but with the turbocharge cobra.. you get a "turbocharged cobra"..
If you buy a civic with rims.. which is exactly what the g3258 + itx is gonna be.. after spending $800 on so little power..
I am keeping an eye on SATA connections, I really don't want to be left short on that front.
Yeah, but to continue the car analogy, your idea is the same as getting a Mustang Cobra and adding a turbocharger, then giving it to someone who only drives it to pick up and drop off their kids from school and drive to and from work, with the occasional night out at the movies. It's wasted potential. Better to have the Civic that will cost FAR less and accomplish the same task.
Yes but with the turbocharge cobra.. you get a "turbocharged cobra"..
If you buy a civic with rims.. which is exactly what the g3258 + itx is gonna be.. after spending $800 on so little power..
no one said u should get the i7.. i7 is honestly not even in the $800 budget if you include a graphics card..
I also don't see why you NEED to put storage in "this computer"..
if you can just put drives in your old one..
I am keeping an eye on SATA connections, I really don't want to be left short on that front.
Well, based on the OP and suggestions, we're looking at 4 HDDs, an SSD, and an ODD (with the potential for more HDDs). That's six SATA ports.
There are plenty of mATX LGA1150 mobos that support six SATA connections, but only two that support more (the ASUS Maximus VI Gene at $170 and the ASUS Maximus VII Gene at $200). The issue is size. There simply isn't enough room to put more.
Basically, here are your choices:
1) Stick with the six-port mobo and add a PCI to SATA card (which will give you, at most, six extra ports, but most often only four)
2) Go with the eight-port mobo and add a PCI to SATA card
3) Swallow your pride and desire for an SFF media storage computer and go up to an ATX motherboard, which has more SATA Ports on average (some have as many as ten, which really opens up your expansion capabilities when coupled with a PCI to SATA card.
I am keeping an eye on SATA connections, I really don't want to be left short on that front.
Well, based on the OP and suggestions, we're looking at 4 HDDs, an SSD, and an ODD (with the potential for more HDDs). That's six SATA ports.
There are plenty of mATX LGA1150 mobos that support six SATA connections, but only two that support more (the ASUS Maximus VI Gene at $170 and the ASUS Maximus VII Gene at $200). The issue is size. There simply isn't enough room to put more.
Well yeah, at the moment I'm sat at 6 and I don't need any more, but for expansion you are right, I would need more a PCI to SATA card. FML.Fortunately they're super cheap as long as you don't need great RAID / cache support. Unfortunately it won't fit in your mini itX with a decent GPU.
I reckon I could stick with just the 6 ports for now tbh... Any more and I will fork out for a card if I need to.
I am keeping an eye on SATA connections, I really don't want to be left short on that front.
Well, based on the OP and suggestions, we're looking at 4 HDDs, an SSD, and an ODD (with the potential for more HDDs). That's six SATA ports.
There are plenty of mATX LGA1150 mobos that support six SATA connections, but only two that support more (the ASUS Maximus VI Gene at $170 and the ASUS Maximus VII Gene at $200). The issue is size. There simply isn't enough room to put more.
This guy will fit in most mini ITX cases (the ones with support for extended min ITX AKA all the ones with 2 pci slots) and has support for 12 sata3 drives and 2 more sata2 ones
http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=E3C224D4I-14S#
That's for server use but asrock has done some really stupid things with drives. If you want a larger MB, here's one with 22 sata3 ports:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z87%20Extreme11ac/Show Image(http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u69/asrock_storage.jpg)
I don't think either of these are ideal for katushkin's use case though.Well yeah, at the moment I'm sat at 6 and I don't need any more, but for expansion you are right, I would need more a PCI to SATA card. FML.Fortunately they're super cheap as long as you don't need great RAID / cache support. Unfortunately it won't fit in your mini itX with a decent GPU.
I reckon I could stick with just the 6 ports for now tbh... Any more and I will fork out for a card if I need to.
It may be better to just build or buy a NAS for storage to run quietly in the corner and have a separate box for gaming / multimedia use.
I am keeping an eye on SATA connections, I really don't want to be left short on that front.
Well, based on the OP and suggestions, we're looking at 4 HDDs, an SSD, and an ODD (with the potential for more HDDs). That's six SATA ports.
There are plenty of mATX LGA1150 mobos that support six SATA connections, but only two that support more (the ASUS Maximus VI Gene at $170 and the ASUS Maximus VII Gene at $200). The issue is size. There simply isn't enough room to put more.
This guy will fit in most mini ITX cases (the ones with support for extended min ITX AKA all the ones with 2 pci slots) and has support for 12 sata3 drives and 2 more sata2 ones
http://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=E3C224D4I-14S#
That's for server use but asrock has done some really stupid things with drives. If you want a larger MB, here's one with 22 sata3 ports:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z87%20Extreme11ac/Show Image(http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u69/asrock_storage.jpg)
I don't think either of these are ideal for katushkin's use case though.Well yeah, at the moment I'm sat at 6 and I don't need any more, but for expansion you are right, I would need more a PCI to SATA card. FML.Fortunately they're super cheap as long as you don't need great RAID / cache support. Unfortunately it won't fit in your mini itX with a decent GPU.
I reckon I could stick with just the 6 ports for now tbh... Any more and I will fork out for a card if I need to.
It may be better to just build or buy a NAS for storage to run quietly in the corner and have a separate box for gaming / multimedia use.
Actually, a renderer's dream would be the ASUS X99-E WS.
It's 4-way SLI and all four channels run at x16. Unlike previous generations, 4 GPUs now equals 4 times the GPU power.
That is my fetish.
Actually, a renderer's dream would be the ASUS X99-E WS.
It's 4-way SLI and all four channels run at x16. Unlike previous generations, 4 GPUs now equals 4 times the GPU power.
That is my fetish.
My 24 core 4cpu x7460 server can easily pwnz0r ur dumbass n00ber sli setup..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Actually, a renderer's dream would be the ASUS X99-E WS.
It's 4-way SLI and all four channels run at x16. Unlike previous generations, 4 GPUs now equals 4 times the GPU power.
That is my fetish.
My 24 core 4cpu x7460 server can easily pwnz0r ur dumbass n00ber sli setup..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
***** please...
call me when you get a Supermicro X9QRi-F+ with quad-CPU setup running Xeon E5-2697 v3's
56 total cores. 112 threads.
Also with Titan-Z's in 2-way SLI.
Actually, a renderer's dream would be the ASUS X99-E WS.
It's 4-way SLI and all four channels run at x16. Unlike previous generations, 4 GPUs now equals 4 times the GPU power.
That is my fetish.
My 24 core 4cpu x7460 server can easily pwnz0r ur dumbass n00ber sli setup..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
***** please...
call me when you get a Supermicro X9QRi-F+ with quad-CPU setup running Xeon E5-2697 v3's
56 total cores. 112 threads.
Also with Titan-Z's in 2-way SLI.
cept you don't have one of ^^^ those either..
At least I got my x7460 server... 2 of them ..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/victory-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Actually, a renderer's dream would be the ASUS X99-E WS.
It's 4-way SLI and all four channels run at x16. Unlike previous generations, 4 GPUs now equals 4 times the GPU power.
That is my fetish.
My 24 core 4cpu x7460 server can easily pwnz0r ur dumbass n00ber sli setup..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
***** please...
call me when you get a Supermicro X9QRi-F+ with quad-CPU setup running Xeon E5-2697 v3's
56 total cores. 112 threads.
Also with Titan-Z's in 2-way SLI.
cept you don't have one of ^^^ those either..
At least I got my x7460 server... 2 of them ..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/victory-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Congrats. Now what do you use them for?
Actually, a renderer's dream would be the ASUS X99-E WS.
It's 4-way SLI and all four channels run at x16. Unlike previous generations, 4 GPUs now equals 4 times the GPU power.
That is my fetish.
My 24 core 4cpu x7460 server can easily pwnz0r ur dumbass n00ber sli setup..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
***** please...
call me when you get a Supermicro X9QRi-F+ with quad-CPU setup running Xeon E5-2697 v3's
56 total cores. 112 threads.
Also with Titan-Z's in 2-way SLI.
cept you don't have one of ^^^ those either..
At least I got my x7460 server... 2 of them ..Show Image(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/victory-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Congrats. Now what do you use them for?
pr0n..