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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: whitefang on Wed, 26 November 2014, 00:39:47
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I'm looking for a full size mechanical keyboard with full NKRO (USB or PS/2 is fine). So far the Das Keyboard 4 Ultimate, the Deck Hassium Pro, or maybe a WASD which doesn't look like it has full NKRO over USB are what I'm seeing as my options. Are there any other keyboards I'm overlooking? The Deck Legend looks like a maybe but I'm having a hard time finding a comparison between the Legend and Hassiums.
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Oh yeah, primary for gaming but I am a touch typist. Will MX browns be the way to go?
I also would prefer PBT keycaps which Das Keyboard doesn't mention anything about.
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Filco with MX Browns.
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+1 for the Filco, browns are probably the way to go. Switch type is a difficult conversation though you ideally need to try and decide. I ended up going with Topre because I love the switches not traditionally for gaming but I do quite a bit of gaming and am very happy. :cool:
Side note: NKRO is sooooo unimportant, any decent keyboard will have enough roll over for it not to be an issue unless you are this guy:
(http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/ap/cuba%2024%20fingers%20and%20toes--1943903396_v2.grid-6x2.jpg)
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So really... Since all you want is a full sized board with MX browns and since NKRO is useless, I think pretty much anything will do.
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The only keyboard I have that can do NKRO is my IBM XT with a Teensy and Soarer's Converter installed; this is one of my favorite keyboards, along with my HHKB Pro 2 and RF 87ub 55g.
Cherry mx switches are my least favorite, but I have owned quite a few keyboards with these switches. Some of these keyboards had Cherry stabilizers, which make it easy to switch keycaps on the stabilized keys, but to me these stabilizers make the stabilized keys feel mushy. I much prefer Costar-type wire stabilizers, such as used in keyboards made by Filco and WASD Keyboards. I think that Filco and WASD keyboards have 6KRO over USB, which is more than I would ever need.
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The NKRO is actually important to me. I occasionally play an old-school game called Subspace Continuum. So many boards key lock on me if I'm holding CTRL+SHIFT+3 Arrow Keys+Tapping Spacebar to shoot. I had a terrible old logitech PS/2 keyboard a long time ago that handled it fine. I replaced that with "fancy" new microsoft keyboard, and then I had key locking like crazy. Same problem with a Logitech G510. Drove me crazy. Ended switching to this Steelseries 7g with Cherry Blacks but the keycaps are terrible. Currently 6 keycaps are completely busted, I've moved keys around to replace the ones that I use all the time but still several key slip off if I'm button mashing hard enough. Super frustrating.
I was definitely leaning towards browns already so your input has affirmed that. I will go with browns. Any reason not to get the Hassium Pro? I don't need backlighting but I also don't mind the font on them either. I no longer am considering a Das.
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QFR converted to PS/2 (passively) has NKRO
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Cherry mx brown is a good all-around switch in the Cherry realm. I've tried blue, green, brown, clear, red, and black. At various time, I liked each of them, but overall I think I prefer browns.
Regarding NKRO, I have a thread on this over on DT:
http://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/nkro-and-6-key-rollover-on-usb-test-t9223-30.html#p195747
Today, I discovered that with two 6KRO keyboards connected to my Mac with a USB hub, I can get 12KRO by using both keyboards at the same time. Not that anyone would ever want to do this, but it was a way of testing the parallelism of NKRO over USB.
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Alright, thanks everyone. I think I'm decided on the Deck Hassium, Blue LEDs, Brown switches. Does anyone know of a place to order those to Canada?
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The NKRO is actually important to me. I occasionally play an old-school game called Subspace Continuum. So many boards key lock on me if I'm holding CTRL+SHIFT+3 Arrow Keys+Tapping Spacebar to shoot. I had a terrible old logitech PS/2 keyboard a long time ago that handled it fine. I replaced that with "fancy" new microsoft keyboard, and then I had key locking like crazy. Same problem with a Logitech G510. Drove me crazy. Ended switching to this Steelseries 7g with Cherry Blacks but the keycaps are terrible. Currently 6 keycaps are completely busted, I've moved keys around to replace the ones that I use all the time but still several key slip off if I'm button mashing hard enough. Super frustrating.
I was definitely leaning towards browns already so your input has affirmed that. I will go with browns. Any reason not to get the Hassium Pro? I don't need backlighting but I also don't mind the font on them either. I no longer am considering a Das.
Any good mechanical with diodes in the matrix would see that as 4KRO+mods, in other words, NKRO is useless as others have said, you only need a properly implemented matrix and standard USB 6KRO.
Aside from the font and the price, the Hassium is a decent board. I'd rather get a Ducky for cheaper (Zero, Zero Shine or Shine), but if you like the Déck, go for it.
If you don't need backlighting the CMStorm QuickFire XT is great value, good board for the price.
Also, do you really need full-size? TKL is great for gaming since you can move the mouse in closer to the other hand.
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Agreed. Full sized keyboards just look weird to me now.
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My Hassium arrived today. Feels pretty nice. Unfortunately I didn't get a space bar with a transparent Deck logo so it doesn't light up even though the space bar has an LED under it. My board also has an FN keycap where the PN keycap should be so maybe deck will send me a PN cap. You know, because the P and the F look so much different. Its definitely weird typing on browns after using blacks for almost 4 years, I'm liking them though.