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Title: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: mdf on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:19:19
Was just swapping in the Massdrop Granite keycaps on a KUL ES87 I'd gotten a few months ago with Clears, and got a bit of a surprise on the last keycap I removed: http://imgur.com/8BwjUiF (http://imgur.com/8BwjUiF)

A Cherry Black for the right arrow key?  WTF?

Anyone seen something like this happen before?
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: Hypersphere on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:24:15
Very interesting!

I had a problem with a Kul keyboard as well -- a cosmetic issue with some splotches on the finish of the case. I also confirmed that I don't like Cherry stabilizers. Therefore, I am going back to WASD or Filco for a Cherry mx board.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: HPE1000 on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:25:17
lol wth I have never seen that before

If you need a clear switch and can solder I am happy to send one your way. (Assuming you don't want to deal with return/RMA/whatever and don't mind probably voiding your warranty)
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:38:45
That's pretty funny

it's an easy fix, though
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: Fragil1ty on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:40:08
Quote from: Hypersphere on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:24:15
Very interesting!

I had a problem with a Kul keyboard as well -- a cosmetic issue with some splotches on the finish of the case. I also confirmed that I don't like Cherry stabilizers. Therefore, I am going back to WASD or Filco for a Cherry mx board.


I'm not a big fan on the stabalisers either, :/, but unfortunately, I've got no other working keyboards to revert back too, so that's always a disappointment.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:46:09
I'm just wondering how that mixup would even happen
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: katushkin on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:49:00
Didn't want to go right anyway.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: eddie on Mon, 01 December 2014, 19:23:07
this happened w/ my noppoo choc mini mx reds. it's got a mx black pause/break scrlock key that doesn't work all the rest is red
(https://i.imgur.com/1XRoc4c.jpg) pic
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 01 December 2014, 19:39:05
(http://static-3.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/18911-1-1339907682.jpg)
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 01 December 2014, 20:07:15
Quote from: FrostyToast on Mon, 01 December 2014, 19:39:05
Show Image
(http://static-3.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/18911-1-1339907682.jpg)


Only if you're implying the Black switch stole the Clear one.  I prefer to think of it as a slightly more diverse board.  He just moved into the neighborhood and is trying to desegregate the area.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 01 December 2014, 20:43:22
Quote from: nubbinator on Mon, 01 December 2014, 20:07:15
Quote from: FrostyToast on Mon, 01 December 2014, 19:39:05
Show Image
(http://static-3.nexusmods.com/15/mods/110/images/18911-1-1339907682.jpg)


Only if you're implying the Black switch stole the Clear one.  I prefer to think of it as a slightly more diverse board.  He just moved into the neighborhood and is trying to desegregate the area.

 :thumb:
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: spiceBar on Mon, 01 December 2014, 21:19:19
Quote from: mdf on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:19:19
Was just swapping in the Massdrop Granite keycaps on a KUL ES87 I'd gotten a few months ago with Clears, and got a bit of a surprise on the last keycap I removed: http://imgur.com/8BwjUiF (http://imgur.com/8BwjUiF)

A Cherry Black for the right arrow key?  WTF?

Anyone seen something like this happen before?

Another thing I find surprising is that you never noticed while using it.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: limitz on Tue, 02 December 2014, 00:15:26
My problem with the KUL-87 is that the switch on the L key sticks. An easy fix... but nonetheless... kind of bothersome. I think I like the CODE a bit better.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 02 December 2014, 00:49:23
Quote from: mdf on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:19:19
Was just swapping in the Massdrop Granite keycaps on a KUL ES87 I'd gotten a few months ago with Clears, and got a bit of a surprise on the last keycap I removed: http://imgur.com/8BwjUiF (http://imgur.com/8BwjUiF)

A Cherry Black for the right arrow key?  WTF?

Anyone seen something like this happen before?

The surprise, my dear friend, is that you used the keyboard for a few months without noticing the difference.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: Dihedral on Tue, 02 December 2014, 02:07:22
Quote from: spiceBar on Mon, 01 December 2014, 21:19:19
Quote from: mdf on Mon, 01 December 2014, 18:19:19
Was just swapping in the Massdrop Granite keycaps on a KUL ES87 I'd gotten a few months ago with Clears, and got a bit of a surprise on the last keycap I removed: http://imgur.com/8BwjUiF (http://imgur.com/8BwjUiF)

A Cherry Black for the right arrow key?  WTF?

Anyone seen something like this happen before?

Another thing I find surprising is that you never noticed while using it.

It's somewhat feasible - similar actuation forces - but obviously the lack of a bump should be very noticeable.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: Battou62 on Tue, 02 December 2014, 07:51:02
Nice, you got a free upgrade on that one switch :P
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 02 December 2014, 08:05:32
Quote from: Battou62 on Tue, 02 December 2014, 07:51:02
Nice, you got a free upgrade on that one switch :P

Speaks the guy who obviously likes black switches, since he bought them from me!  :p :thumb: :))
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: eth0s on Tue, 02 December 2014, 08:06:10
This is from KUL website:

"Our mission is to challenge the norms of the computer peripheral market, which too often tends towards corner-cutting and exaggerated hype, by offering products with uncomparable design, unique functionality, and the highest reliability. We confidently seek to accomplish this by leveraging extensive manufacturing and engineering experience and by being honest with ourselves and our customers...the rest is what we'll just call science!" [emphasis added] ~ http://keyeduplabs.com/about.html

I guess that lone black mx switch is part of the "uncomparable design" and "unique functionality", lol.  Surely it has nothing to do with "corner-cutting", or piss-poor manufacturing.  Maybe it was a "science" experiment?   
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: Battou62 on Tue, 02 December 2014, 08:10:39
Quote from: berserkfan on Tue, 02 December 2014, 08:05:32
Quote from: Battou62 on Tue, 02 December 2014, 07:51:02
Nice, you got a free upgrade on that one switch :P

Speaks the guy who obviously likes black switches, since he bought them from me!  :p :thumb: :))

I like to kid people. I like clear switches also, except for the tight stems.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 02 December 2014, 09:29:13
Quote from: eth0s on Tue, 02 December 2014, 08:06:10
This is from KUL website:

"Our mission is to challenge the norms of the computer peripheral market, which too often tends towards corner-cutting and exaggerated hype, by offering products with uncomparable design, unique functionality, and the highest reliability. We confidently seek to accomplish this by leveraging extensive manufacturing and engineering experience and by being honest with ourselves and our customers...the rest is what we'll just call science!" [emphasis added] ~ http://keyeduplabs.com/about.html

I guess that lone black mx switch is part of the "uncomparable design" and "unique functionality", lol.  Surely it has nothing to do with "corner-cutting", or piss-poor manufacturing.  Maybe it was a "science" experiment?

Um, I don't see what KUL says that Razer would not have said. And surely you do not treat Razer's claims seriously.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: nubbinator on Tue, 02 December 2014, 09:54:27
Quote from: berserkfan on Tue, 02 December 2014, 09:29:13

Um, I don't see what KUL says that Razer would not have said. And surely you do not treat Razer's claims seriously.

(https://new1.fjcdn.com/comments/4863406+_2ef3ee90975f1f5a847110d7b8fa2fc1.png)
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: mougrim on Tue, 02 December 2014, 10:17:32
Heh. They wanted to sell one more board so much, that one broken Clear switch didn't stop them.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: Hypersphere on Tue, 02 December 2014, 11:55:05
These switch substitutions could be mutations arising from cosmic rays.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 02 December 2014, 11:57:47
Confession: I put it there just to **** with you.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 02 December 2014, 15:17:46
Quote from: Hypersphere on Tue, 02 December 2014, 11:55:05
These switch substitutions could be mutations arising from cosmic rays.

Like The Flash?
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 02 December 2014, 15:50:27
Quote from: limitz on Tue, 02 December 2014, 00:15:26
My problem with the KUL-87 is that the switch on the L key sticks. An easy fix... but nonetheless... kind of bothersome. I think I like the CODE a bit better.
Maybe he doesn't use the arrows?
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: eth0s on Tue, 02 December 2014, 17:13:19
Quote from: TacticalStache on Tue, 02 December 2014, 15:17:46
Quote from: Hypersphere on Tue, 02 December 2014, 11:55:05
These switch substitutions could be mutations arising from cosmic rays.

Like The Flash?

I thought it was the Hulk?  Or did he use gasmic rays?

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/14/145389/3227507-3233848431-30023.jpg)

Personally, I like Iron BartMan teh best.

(http://www.therpf.com/attachments/f24/new-idea-batman-iron-man-crossover-building-iron-bat.jpg-76742d1323033368)

Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: mdf on Tue, 02 December 2014, 19:04:11
lol, don't use the arrow much and totally didn't notice it until the keycaps were off.

What do you think the way to go is?  Desolder it and put in a clear?

I'd gotten two of these from elitekeyboards and thankfully the one I use at home has all clears, this is the one I use at work.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: mdf on Tue, 02 December 2014, 19:49:16
Elite just got back to me, they offered to have it shipped back so the key could be replaced or to just send me a cherry clear.  I took them up on just sending me a new switch, so I can change it out if it bothers me.
Title: Re: KUL ES87 with Clears - Surprise!
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 02 December 2014, 21:07:01
Quote from: mdf on Tue, 02 December 2014, 19:49:16
Elite just got back to me, they offered to have it shipped back so the key could be replaced or to just send me a cherry clear.  I took them up on just sending me a new switch, so I can change it out if it bothers me.

If it hasn't bothered you before, it won't bother you now. Looks like you can just have a free switch to hold for the eventual day, 5 or 10 years later, when there is a switch failure.

What I am most interested in hearing, is how long a keyboard really lasts.

I'll start a thread on that right away!