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Title: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 04 December 2014, 18:31:37
Don't Buy a Fountain-Pen,  Just-because !!!


If you practice with ANY pen under the premise -to improve your Penmanship-,  it WILL happen, given at least 100 hours..

However....  for Novice penman or anyone who missed the boat at a young age, fountain pens tend to cause RUSH-ing.. The ink flows very fast with only light pressure, and it's very slippery..

For practicing letter rhythm and shape..  this is best done on Pencil, or Ball point..( you already own a billion of these)

Take your time, USE the grittiness to CONTROL your shapes,  until you achieve a good visual balance..



Telling someone to buy a fountain pen is like telling them to buy a mechanical keyboard..

The tool  AT BEST  may push them to use it, to write more, to type more.

HOWEVER, that novelty feeling is short lived...  and it will NOT carry you very far into penmanship or 100+ wpm typing speed..


Better writing and faster typing must COME from Deeper.. you have to have a pure desire for it..


Most people here I find are just shopaholics who like hitting-drugs, tend to buy things and then stash them on a shelf..

< this is the greatest waste of ones time >

- I confess.. I've done this in the past.. But I've since recognized the pattern, and kept myself in check.
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 04 December 2014, 18:36:42
I've created this thread, because it has become apparent that despite perhaps good intentions.. All other fountain pen threads on this forum has been about SHOPPING..


I'm not against shopping.. I just want to get a message out, that if anyone's looking to Truly improve their penmanship.. 

You already Have the tools... 

The only thing you need is to put in the TIME...
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: Novus on Thu, 04 December 2014, 18:37:01
Now if only you would lose the prose.
Brevity is your friend.
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 04 December 2014, 18:38:50
Quote from: the1onewolf on Thu, 04 December 2014, 18:37:01
Now if only you would lose the prose.
Brevity is your friend.

Honestly.. I get it.. but.. you know what.. If you can't get past the initial hurdle of reading.. writing may indeed be a secondary pursuit..
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: Novus on Thu, 04 December 2014, 18:40:33
The English language was meant to be concise my friend.

And yes Teepee, I'm just ****ing with you
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 04 December 2014, 18:42:39
Quote from: the1onewolf on Thu, 04 December 2014, 18:40:33
The English language was meant to be concise my friend.

And yes Teepee, I'm just ****ing with you

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Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: Evo_Spec on Thu, 04 December 2014, 19:26:32
luckily i only spent 100yen for my fountain pen and realized that i really don't care for writing but i do enjoy using it for when i have to since it is smoother.
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: dorkvader on Thu, 04 December 2014, 20:15:11
yeah I use my FP as an excuse to write better.

If I'm just writing a note to myself there's a good chance it'll be illegible to other people. But forget them they don't need to read it :p

Otherwise makes a lot of sense though.
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 04 December 2014, 20:49:13
One more good tip..

Don't worry about wasting PAPER...   even if you write 1 letter per page..  YOU CAN AFFORD IT... !!!

Just remember to recycle.. and it all good... (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/pretty-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862516)
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: dorkvader on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:47:40
Quote from: tp4tissue on Thu, 04 December 2014, 20:49:13
One more good tip..

Don't worry about wasting PAPER...   even if you write 1 letter per page..  YOU CAN AFFORD IT... !!!

Just remember to recycle.. and it all good...
Show Image
(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/pretty-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862516)


I thought the nicer paper for fountain pens was expensive.
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 05 December 2014, 20:32:18
Quote from: dorkvader on Fri, 05 December 2014, 13:47:40
Quote from: tp4tissue on Thu, 04 December 2014, 20:49:13
One more good tip..

Don't worry about wasting PAPER...   even if you write 1 letter per page..  YOU CAN AFFORD IT... !!!

Just remember to recycle.. and it all good...
Show Image
(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/pretty-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862516)


I thought the nicer paper for fountain pens was expensive.


Maybe when it's in a notebook with leather covers..


But the paper itself isn't really that special..

They sell paper in printer stacks comparable to any claire fontaine Sn00ty notebook Bull****.



Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: Binge on Fri, 05 December 2014, 20:35:20
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Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 05 December 2014, 21:49:59
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Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 05 December 2014, 22:13:38
Also Guys.. There is a huge difference between  writing... and drawing..   You can not write with nearly as much uniformity as drawing..

The first picture I posted is Written..    This picture below is drawn..   the written first picture took 30sec for the whole thing,  the drawn one below took 20-25sec for just those 3 lines..  NOTE that it's NOT time efficient to have higher uniformity..

The following post is 45-60 seconds, notice even greater uniformity.

This is especially time consuming on small letters..  Large is slightly faster, but not by much.

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Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 05 December 2014, 22:27:59
This is EVEN slower.. 45-60 seconds..

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Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: munch on Sat, 06 December 2014, 01:23:57
I got a fountain pen cause I thought it was pretty. my writing will forever remain that of a 5-year old with parkinsons though.
I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I think people don't expect to write better just cause they have a fancy pen. they just enjoy using them regardless.
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: Coreda on Sat, 06 December 2014, 02:27:49
Coming from your previous thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66250.0) I thought this was going to be about becoming better writers without buying more keyboards  :p

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 05 December 2014, 22:13:38
Also Guys.. There is a huge difference between  writing... and drawing..   You can not write with nearly as much uniformity as drawing..

The first picture I posted is Written..    This picture below is drawn..

(Attachment Link)

They're both writing, one is just slower and more careful. Writing is as many strokes as parts, drawing is more strokes than parts (aka lettering).
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 06 December 2014, 07:49:06
Quote from: Coreda on Sat, 06 December 2014, 02:27:49
Coming from your previous thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66250.0) I thought this was going to be about becoming better writers without buying more keyboards  :p

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 05 December 2014, 22:13:38
Also Guys.. There is a huge difference between  writing... and drawing..   You can not write with nearly as much uniformity as drawing..

The first picture I posted is Written..    This picture below is drawn..

(Attachment Link)

They're both writing, one is just slower and more careful. Writing is as many strokes as parts, drawing is more strokes than parts (aka lettering).

I don't want to turn it into a semantics-battle..

I recognize writing/drawing more traditionally coming from an Asian-Calligraphy background.

The distinction between writing and drawing in Chinese characters is tremendous.

Due to the complexity and density of the characters, perfect uniformity requires very close scrutiny and the difference between grass/cursive-like style writing and li-shu (print-style) is 4x to 5x the time requirement increase.

The reason for this difference is the same in western-calligraphy, but it is less pronounced because the western calligraphy we're usually talking about has an alphabet and is very spacious.



So.. I guess. what i'm trying to say is.. 

Writing is like having thoughts flow onto the page.. (Efficiency)

whereas

Drawing is pre-assembling the thoughts to put down, and then FOCUSING on making the letters uniform and subjectively prettier..   (Vanity)



Go on youtube... notice there is no such thing as FAST calligraphy.. because it simply can not be done.. 

the Uniformity that is required to produce the iconic Calligraphy feel, can't be done at the rate of your ideas..
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 December 2014, 06:26:40
Wearing down your pens.. breaking them.. running out of ink, running out of paper..

Those are badges of improvement.. wear them with pride..

From the beginning of your writing career until you actually break a pen from wear,  the difference in your skill level is phenomenal..

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Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: dorkvader on Mon, 08 December 2014, 15:49:02
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Dear TP4tissue
I have worn through an entire ballpoint pen at least twice in my life without losing or breaking it. It hasn't done anything for my handwriting though.
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 08 December 2014, 16:13:00
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Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: Binge on Mon, 08 December 2014, 16:54:43
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Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 08 December 2014, 17:02:55
This thread is against buying m0re pens !
Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 08 December 2014, 17:32:07
This V is quite pretty.. Took a long time for me to understand V-s..  basically visualize them as curves, instead of lines..   they'll arrive much more naturally when you do..

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Title: Re: Writing Better, sans the Shopping Bull****
Post by: Binge on Mon, 08 December 2014, 17:44:25
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