Is it me or has there been very little feedback from the community on the G930 and the Omron Romer-Gs?
Is it me or has there been very little feedback from the community on the G930 and the Omron Romer-Gs?
Still new. People are avoiding it because it's not MX.
I don't get it. Not using MX switches should be an excellent reason to buy the thing, not a reason to avoid it.
I don't get it. Not using MX switches should be an excellent reason to buy the thing, not a reason to avoid it.
It would really help if these things were compatible with cherry caps.I don't think that is a bad thing. The Romer-G switch has backlighting in the centre, done precisely right.
It would really help if these things were compatible with cherry caps.I don't think that is a bad thing. The Romer-G switch has backlighting in the centre, done precisely right.
Backlit Cherry keycaps often have the legends in weird places just to make it possible that they would be lit from a LED in that weird place and there is a lot of light bleed.
One way around it like Cherry did in collaboration with corsair was to make the housing transparent.That is not at all around it. Well, yes, it is technically lighting around the part of the key that you want to light.
I'm tempted to do a full review of the G910, as I've got one sitting here alongside a Corsair K95 RGB (MX Brown), and my rather wonderful Filco Multicam MX Blue board with Filco doubleshot caps. Ideally I'd like a Topre board to try against the G910, but never mind.
Briefly then, the board is aimed squarely at gaming, and it does this extremely well. Certainly the Corsair is an extremely nice board to use for typing and gaming, as is the Filco of course, the G910 responsiveness is noticeably sharper than either of the other two. The switch feel radically different from the MX Brown. My initial impression was that Logitech/Omron had created a mechanical rubber dome! After a few minutes of typing, I really started to warm to the Romer switch. On the down stroke, there's an initial resistance as you push through a soft tactile bump, before the stroke quickly becomes linear. The stroke distance is shorter than a Cherry, and bottoming-out feels satisfyingly dampened: More of a 'thump' than a Cherry 'thock!' The Romer stroke has a slightly chalky feel compared to the smooth travel of a Cherry, but it's in no way unpleasant. The caps are very stable and feel extremely sturdy. The typing experience has a 'meaty' sensation, while at the same time feeling extremely light and responsive.
I dismissed the Romer when I heard that Logitech was 'developing their own switch', but when I realised that Omron was involved with that development, it hinted that something a bit special might be happening. Judging by the switches in the K910, I can't wait to see what comes next. I gather that Logitech has an exclusivity on the Romer initially. How long that lasts depends on how deep that design partnership was of course. These switches are no flash-in-the-pans though, They're a stone-cold serious bit of design.
To very quickly compare the three board together (as well as the dismal, appalling Razer Chroma with its joke switches), the G910 comes out on top as a gaming device, and not by a nose, but by a wide margin. The Corsair is a stunningly nice board, but those Cherry RGB switches spill light everywhere, making it very hard to achieve any sort of practically distinctive short cut zones. It's not helped by the Cherry's inability to light up anything on the lower half of a key cap. The G910 absolutely nails the RGB as a gaming tool. It's nowhere near as pretty or artistic as Corsair's, but it's a damned sight more useful for either gaming or typing.
Did I say 'briefly then'?
Does the RGB backlighting really help with gaming, in anyway?
perhaps they will make a mx compatible version kinda like wat cooler master didIs it me or has there been very little feedback from the community on the G930 and the Omron Romer-Gs?
Still new. People are avoiding it because it's not MX.
How do the switches feel on off-centre key presses? If you press one of the 1.5u wide keys at the edge, is the key action as smooth as ever or does it lock up like on a Microsoft rubber dome?
How do the switches feel on off-centre key presses? If you press one of the 1.5u wide keys at the edge, is the key action as smooth as ever or does it lock up like on a Microsoft rubber dome?
How do the switches feel on off-centre key presses? If you press one of the 1.5u wide keys at the edge, is the key action as smooth as ever or does it lock up like on a Microsoft rubber dome?
Funnily enough I've just been testing offset strikes against my Filco blue. There's no lock-up and very little binding if you apply pressure to any of the four sides. Under normal typing pressure, the feel of the switch is practically the same wherever the keycap is struck. That's a bit of an achievement given the wide surface area of the stem.
Regarding the feel of the switch compared to rubber domes, there is that impression initially, but the action is Much more sophisticated. The initial tactile bump moves into linear travel that then ramps up in resistance as the spring compresses and the switch bottoms out. This contributes to the dampening felt when the switch reaches the end of its travel.
While it sounds very rubber dome-ish, the switch action is unmistakably mechanical and feels very stable and sturdy. The shorter travel distance and very fast actuation gives the switch a very distinctive character. If I were to choose a comparison with another type of switch, it wouldn't be a rubber dome, but rather a tactile Cherry Red, but not a Brown!
For me, after years of Cherries and and the occasional Alp, it's really refreshing to see a decent new switch. Sitting here with Browns and Blues to compare agains, I'm not thinking that the Romer are inferior in quality by any means; just very different. I love that.
Serious question: Does anyone want to pool money to buy a board and then do a tour within the buyer pool?
So are they "tactile" (no number of scare quotes is adequate) like MX Brown or are they actually tactile like Alps black or orange/salmon?
So are they "tactile" (no number of scare quotes is adequate) like MX Brown or are they actually tactile like Alps black or orange/salmon?
What is the difference?
So are they "tactile" (no number of scare quotes is adequate) like MX Brown or are they actually tactile like Alps black or orange/salmon?
The tactile element sits so high in the travel that you blow though it as soon as you hit the key.
So are they "tactile" (no number of scare quotes is adequate) like MX Brown or are they actually tactile like Alps black or orange/salmon?What is the difference?
Yeah (having never used alps/matias linears), what is the difference?So are they "tactile" (no number of scare quotes is adequate) like MX Brown or are they actually tactile like Alps black or orange/salmon?
The tactile element sits so high in the travel that you blow though it as soon as you hit the key.
I actually love how close the tactile bump is to the top. I bought this keyboard after trying all the boards in the shop (20-30) - I preferred this to the blue, red and brown (and membrane) boards on display. They just felt so quick to type on.
My desire for custom layouts led me to invest in gateron browns (recommended to me by many as 'closest to romer-g'). Different, but close.
I now prefer gateron yellows to browns due to how quick they are to type on - although I occasionally miss the slight, high bump.
Reading through this post and what I've just written, I think I might actually prefer romer-g's still. I need to try them. I still have the board.
Has anyone successfully harvested the switches and made their own board? I don't like legacy layouts at all.
If you want to get your hands on Romer-G but without the atrociously tacky looks, give the G810 a shot:Show Image(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41jCD2hLQeL.jpg)
Amazon (https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Spectrum-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B01BBKYM3I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1480953953&sr=8-1&keywords=Logitech+G810).
I got a G410 a few days ago, and to me, the Romer-G switch's tactile bump feels like something between brown and clear Cherry MX, but with higher actuation point and shorter travel, as well as softer landing. The weight of the switch feels close to brown. If you are in any way a mechanical keyboard enthusiast, you'll understand what all that means. If not, then it won't be important enough to you anyway.
Overall, I like the feel of the keys, and the RGB-lighting with no back-light spill is the best there is on the market (I can't stand light spilling--it distracts from the readability of the legends), and the software is very easy to use (one of logitech's strengths).
The cheap feel of the plastic frame (it flexes) is what you'd expect from a product targeted at gamers instead of serious mechanical keyboard enthusiasts, but I generally don't mind it when the frame has some flex, because let's be honest--why would anyone sit there and try to bend the frame for no reason? You type on it, not wrestle with it.
With that said, I do have one major gripe about this keyboard, and it's that idiotic angled wrist rest. It is completely useless because your wrist can't even actually rest on it. It only reaches to about halfway of your palm, so how the hell can it be a wrist rest? It's not even a hand rest. This "gamer aesthetic" BS is just so pointless and silly, and I hate it with a passion. I don't mind when it's actually ergonomic and functional, but when it's done for useless or obtrusive visual flare, it pisses me off. If Logitech had kept the frame a simple and slim rectangle with no unnecessary width that takes up precious desk space (or get in the way of a REAL wrist rest, such as the foam ones I use. I ended up having to cut into the front edge of the foam wrist rest so I can push the G410's stupid protruding "fake wrist rest" about an inch and half into the foam so the keyboard can be in optimal typing position relative to my arms), then this keyboard would be just about perfect. But as it is, the ludicrous "wrist rest" ruins this keyboard and I have to deduct two stars for that.
What Logitech needs to do, is release a TKL (Tenkeyless) version of the G810, which has a normal looking frame, but unfortunately is a full-size keyboard, which means the numpad on the right will offset the center of your home-row while typing, as well as push your mouse too far to the right. This "standard" layout is also idiotic because vast majority of the population are right-handed. Ironically, "left-handed" keyboards are actually ergonomically far superior to standard keyboards, because the numpad is on the left side. But Tenkeyless is the best solution right now, since you can just add a standalone numpad to the left of the keyboard.