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Title: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 18:55:18: If I add up all the carbs (incl. fiber), proteins, fats,

and subtract it from the total weight.. The rest is water weight correct??

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Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Hellcatz on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:00:42: LOL wished it work like that but it doesn't. As food gets processed and cooked it often looses weight. Hard to explain but as it cooks it releases partials and reactions happen which uses up some of the ingredients. Not sure if that makes sense but might help.
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Novus on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:10:04: Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 16:59:29
You woman
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:18:39: Quote from: the1onewolf on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:10:04
Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 16:59:29
You woman

I'm trying to perfect my coconut rice.. last time I checked... Pr0 level cooking is dominated by fat-manly men.

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Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:20:45: Quote from: Hellcatz on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:00:42
LOL wished it work like that but it doesn't. As food gets processed and cooked it often looses weight. Hard to explain but as it cooks it releases partials and reactions happen which uses up some of the ingredients. Not sure if that makes sense but might help.

No, I mean if I buy something that's in a CAN..
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Hellcatz on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:21:39: google coconut rice recipes?
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Hellcatz on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:22:45: Quote from: Hellcatz on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:21:39
google coconut rice recipes?
it still applies
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Novus on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:23:09: Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:18:39
Quote from: the1onewolf on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:10:04
Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 16:59:29
You woman

I'm trying to perfect my coconut rice.. last time I checked... Pr0 level cooking is dominated by fat-manly men.

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Well clearly you ain't at the top so that means you a woman.

Also coconut rice... Really?
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:39:24: Quote from: the1onewolf on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:23:09

Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:18:39
Quote from: the1onewolf on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:10:04
Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 16:59:29
You woman

I'm trying to perfect my coconut rice.. last time I checked... Pr0 level cooking is dominated by fat-manly men.

Show Image
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Well clearly you ain't at the top so that means you a woman.

Also coconut rice... Really?

yea..

now that I got my hydration formula down, and my evaporation rate calibrated on the pot I'm using..

All I need to know is how much water is in this can of coconut milk.
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Hellcatz on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:41:49: lol ARE YOU OCD?
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:46:05: WTF... why do you care? How does this improve your rice making in any way?

Why do we need a new thread about ****ing rice everyday?
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:48:47: Quote from: noisyturtle on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:46:05
WTF... why do you care? How does this improve your rice making in any way?

Ok.. this goes back to my hydration function..

I want to PERFECTLY hydrate my rice upon cooking completion @ 58% moisture level..

I have accomplished this using Just water.. this is easy..

However, Now with Coconut milk... it's got oil + proteins + carbohydrates...

That has to be accounted for in the hydration formula..
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Hellcatz on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:48:53: in some way it does but not by much
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 19:59:56: wait wait wait.. totally wiffed.. not a chemist

i totally forgot to account for density.. (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/uhuhuh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862523)
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 20:09:02: Ok... soooo

Fats average: 0.9g / cm^3
Protein: 1.35g / cm^3
Glucose: 1.54g / cm^3

My coconut milk has 70g fat, 5g protein, 15g carb.. PER 403mL total

that means ....

77.77 mL of fat
3.703 mL of protein
9.74 mL of carbs

So..... that is 91.22mL of Stuff, the rest is Water (311.78 mL)..

HURRAY....

Next year, Tp4 cooks meth.... (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/cheer2-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862495)
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Hellcatz on Wed, 10 December 2014, 20:37:03: funny thing is that you asked a bunch of nerds to help you cook when most of us have a diet of cup noodles and fast food XD (I SAID MOST) not including me oc
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 20:47:13: Quote from: Hellcatz on Wed, 10 December 2014, 20:37:03
funny thing is that you asked a bunch of nerds to help you cook when most of us have a diet of cup noodles and fast food XD (I SAID MOST) not including me oc

Meth is next..
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 December 2014, 21:16:14: Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 20:09:02
Ok... soooo

Fats average: 0.9g / cm^3
Protein: 1.35g / cm^3
Glucose: 1.54g / cm^3

My coconut milk has 70g fat, 5g protein, 15g carb.. PER 403mL total

that means ....

77.77 mL of fat
3.703 mL of protein
9.74 mL of carbs

So..... that is 91.22mL of Stuff, the rest is Water (311.78 mL)..

HURRAY....

Next year, Tp4 cooks meth....
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What about all the water in your carbs, fat and protein?
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 21:42:49: Quote from: tjcaustin on Wed, 10 December 2014, 21:16:14
Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 10 December 2014, 20:09:02
Ok... soooo

Fats average: 0.9g / cm^3
Protein: 1.35g / cm^3
Glucose: 1.54g / cm^3

My coconut milk has 70g fat, 5g protein, 15g carb.. PER 403mL total

that means ....

77.77 mL of fat
3.703 mL of protein
9.74 mL of carbs

So..... that is 91.22mL of Stuff, the rest is Water (311.78 mL)..

HURRAY....

Next year, Tp4 cooks meth....
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What about all the water in your carbs, fat and protein?

ah... well.. I'm prettttty sure the food label is using dry weight of those components.. it wouldn't make sense to use a wet-weight, because then it'd be inflating the numbers..

I'm calculating how much of protein.fat.carb is based on a label form a pre-bought coconut milk can..

I'm not making my own coconut milk.. if I were to do that.. I guess... I would measure wet and dry weight to determine the volume of water like I did with the rice.
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Hellcatz on Thu, 11 December 2014, 18:10:19: Your over thinking it Just assume the best case scenario for your equation something reasonable where you will still be able to calculate the amount of water. (CLOSE ENOUGH to the actual value)
It gets really complicated once you try to get 100% accuracy which in the end doesn't really affect the end result be cause your prediction was already close enough
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 11 December 2014, 18:15:46: Quote from: Hellcatz on Thu, 11 December 2014, 18:10:19
Your over thinking it Just assume the best case scenario for your equation something reasonable where you will still be able to calculate the amount of water. (CLOSE ENOUGH to the actual value)
It gets really complicated once you try to get 100% accuracy which in the end doesn't really affect the end result be cause your prediction was already close enough

would you happen to know constituents that wouldn't be on the label ?

like. .they wouldn't add concrete powder right ? if they did, would they have to label it..
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Hellcatz on Thu, 11 December 2014, 18:43:31: depends where you are but where I live (canada) ingredients under a certain amount do not have to be included in the food label.
Title: Re: Food Label Experts... HALP
Post by: Hellcatz on Thu, 11 December 2014, 18:44:45: Is it necessary to declare ingredients in “trace”, i.e., incidental amounts? Can sulfites be considered incidental additives?

Answer: FDA does not define “trace amounts”; however, there are some exemptions for declaring ingredients present in “incidental” amounts in a finished food. If an ingredient is present at an incidental level and has no functional or technical effect in the finished product, then it need not be declared on the label. An incidental additive is usually present because it is an ingredient of another ingredient. Note that major food allergens (as discussed under Food Allergen Labeling), regardless of whether they are present in the food in trace amounts, must be declared.

might be a better answer! XP