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Title: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:06:58
update 22/12/2014:

decided to go for GON thanks everyone for their input :D next step ... keycaps!!!
more info: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66850.msg1569255#msg1569255

original post:

Ok, I've posted about getting my boyfriend a keyboard for our anniversary in the Keycaps forum :\ But tbh I'm also stuck on choosing which keyboard I want to get. I've been doing some research and spoken to several ppl already (probably annoying the hell out of them)...

It's suppose to be a surprise but I gathered that:

1. he likes keyboards to have the numpad... so I'm guessing I need 104/108
2. once he showed me the Filco Ferrari keyboard ... so I'm guessing he likes flashy/red ones
3. he likes crispy key sounds

other things:
1. he's a professional dota 2 player so from what i've read black/red switches are best for gaming?
2. he needs to carry the keyboard around sometimes because of tournaments ... (i really like the duck v2 look but it's too heavy)
3. he's favourite hero is the clockwerk (i've attached an image below) i'm thinking to go for the clockwerk colour theme...
4. he doesn't know anything about mechanical keyboards... ok he knows filco... and that's about it... not even switches and stuff... the same can be said about me before i started doing my research a week ago...

Right now my options are...

1. Filco Ferrari. Downside: no led, not as special, he's shown it to me before
2. Cherry 1869 mod into red... Downside: again, easily obtained.. so not as special a gift
3. GON 108 Downside: takes more than 2 months and somewhat over my budget
4. GON NS87 (A really nice guy offered me his so I can get an assembled on in one week and it's in red) Downside: Not 104/8

So I would really need your help and ideas on how I can solve my dilemma! Thanks!!

Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Lastpilot on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:20:28
This would be amazingly perfect.

#3 Found here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66645.0

More pictures: http://22kbd.com/147

Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:22:33
What is your budget?  I am assuming you are not looking for nice keycaps as well since that will basically double your cost.

Filco's are great quality boards, so that is never a bad option in my opinion.  It took me about 4 keyboards to finally replace my Filco as my daily driver.  They are well built and are a joy to use...

As for switches.  If he was not a gamer, I would suggest mx blues if he likes the crispy key sounds, but since he is a gamer I would NOT get mx blue switches.  I tried to game on mx blues for a while and they drove me nuts.  I think you should consider mx browns.  I find them very nice for gaming and I also find them to be my favorite all around switch.  I think people like linear switches for gaming if play games where they have to hover around the actuation point and DOTA is not really one of those games.  I play LoL (which has all the same mechanics as DOTA) and I enjoyed playing on browns.

I have heard good things about the different Ducky keyboards, but I don't have personal experience with them, so I will let others comment on that.  Don't let the fact that it is heavy turn you off too much.  The board being heavy is usually preferable when you are actually using it. 

I personally would not focus too much on backlighting unless you know he commonly plays in dimly lit areas and actually wants backlighting.  I have backlighting on some of my boards and I rarely use it.  That is just me though.  I know others love their backlighting, but I personally think it is over hyped. 

If I can think of other good insight or options, I will post back.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:24:28
This would be amazingly perfect.

#3 Found here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66645.0

More pictures: http://22kbd.com/147

I also thought of that board.  I agree, that would be pretty much perfect.  You are going to end up spending close to that much anyway and you get such an awesome board with that one that it is probably your best bet.  That is a great option...

Edit:  Looking at that board again, I think that is exactly what you want.  I would recommend you buy that one...
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:33:12
This would be amazingly perfect.

#3 Found here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66645.0

More pictures: http://22kbd.com/147

oh wow thanks! it actually is!
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:36:00
This would be amazingly perfect.

#3 Found here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66645.0

More pictures: http://22kbd.com/147

I also thought of that board.  I agree, that would be pretty much perfect.  You are going to end up spending close to that much anyway and you get such an awesome board with that one that it is probably your best bet.  That is a great option...

Edit:  Looking at that board again, I think that is exactly what you want.  I would recommend you buy that one...

argh wait - - i thought it was perfect until i saw there's no f keys... which is much more important than the numpad since in his games he has to press f1 - 4 lol... so the f row is essential...
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:40:34
This would be amazingly perfect.

#3 Found here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66645.0

More pictures: http://22kbd.com/147

I also thought of that board.  I agree, that would be pretty much perfect.  You are going to end up spending close to that much anyway and you get such an awesome board with that one that it is probably your best bet.  That is a great option...

Edit:  Looking at that board again, I think that is exactly what you want.  I would recommend you buy that one...

argh wait - - i thought it was perfect until i saw there's no f keys... which is much more important than the numpad since in his games he has to press f1 - 4 lol... so the f row is essential...

Fair enough.  Ya, I don't use function keys when I game, but I am a n00b in comparison... :)
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:48:01
Without going overboard, there aren't many "flashy" keyboards other than the ducky that would fit all your criteria, especially when you throw backlighting into the mix. Other than he Corsair RGB line... Which we choose not to talk about here.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:51:26
I don't either XD  = = I play on a Mac and the F row is too far for my hands anyway...

Well, I wish there was a place where I can go try out these different switches...

My budget is somewhere under 500$ ...

regarding LEDs - - oh well, he's a "boy" ... he likes shiny stuff
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:53:00
Without going overboard, there aren't many "flashy" keyboards other than the sucky that would fit all your criteria, especially when you throw backlighting into the mix. Other than he Corsair RGB line... Which we choose not to talk about here.

lol ... to be honest, corsair rbg was what came up to my google search for keyboards and what i was gonna buy before i came across this forum along with custom keyboards and everything ... XDDDDD
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Lastpilot on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:54:07
Oh wow under $500! And f-row keys huh...

In that case: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66319

Just FYI, you'll still need keycaps. Which may bring you close to $500 lol. But this is a really nice korean custom board that you don't see often for sale.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 10:56:19
Oh wow under $500! And f-row keys huh...

In that case: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66319

Yeah! I saw this and I really liked it but the thing is I heard that it weighs like 3kg? and also I didn't know what mushy + rattling stabs meant...
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Fri, 19 December 2014, 11:21:21
Oh wow under $500! And f-row keys huh...

In that case: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66319

Yeah! I saw this and I really liked it but the thing is I heard that it weighs like 3kg? and also I didn't know what mushy + rattling stabs meant...

It means that they are cherry stabilizers and he didn't clip the dampener on the bottom of the stabilizer.  So at the very bottom of the keypress there is a little piece of plastic which bends (this is how cherry designed them).  Most people cut off those little dampeners because they seem to think it makes a difference.  I did on my builds because I am a sheep and I followed the herd.  :P

For the rattle, you can ask him if he would lube the stabs for you (without unsoldering) and it will probably take care of the rattle.

The nice thing about that board is the F row is closer to the num row, so it would probably be awesome for a gamer. 

The MX clears are not ideal to be honest.  However, I currently game on 65g lubed clears and it is fine.  I preferred browns though for gaming to be honest.  I think the 67g lubed clears will be pretty nice though.  In my opinion, that is right around the sweet spot for clears.  I like anywhere between 65g and 68g on clears.  Less and the recoil of the key is hindered IMO, more and they just feel too heavy (for me, who likes lighter switches).
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 19 December 2014, 12:06:43
Is this a Christmas present, because otherwise I would just suggest doing something custom like a GON, that or you could find someone on the artisan section (such as myself, deffinetly not a shameless plug) that could modify any keyboard on the classifieds to MX red or brown.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Touch_It on Fri, 19 December 2014, 12:52:13
Unfortunately I can't really contribute to the thread as anything outside of IBM keyboards I don't know a ton on.  I just wanted to say he is a really lucky guy.  I wish my wife would try to find a keyboard for me for Christmas or my birthday, or at least take time to try to do some research.  So I guess bump, +1, and good luck!.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: eth0s on Fri, 19 December 2014, 12:56:09
Hmm, well, there is a lot going on here.  Here is my input:

1.  I understand that this is an anniversary present and not a Christmas present.  What is our date that you must receive the keyboard by?  Most likely you do not have time to get a Korean custom keyboard.

2.  $500 is way, way, WAY too much to spend if you are a noob.  You don't even know what you want or like, so please DO NOT SPEND $500 on your first mech keyboard. 

3.  Your budget should be under $200, and closer to $100 per keyboard at this point.

4.  However, you might consider buying 2-3 keyboards for around $100-150 each, and comparing them, and then selling the 1-2 that you do not like, or keeping 1 for you and 1 for him. 

5.  If he is a "Pro" gamer, I'm surprised his "Pro" team does not supply him with a sponsored keyboard.  But, that is a discussion for another day, so w/e, maybe he needs a better e-sports agent, if there are any e-sports agents, or a better team.

6.  For "Pro" gaming any MX switch will work great:  red, black, brown, or blue.  It really comes down to his personal preference.  Personally, I would like browns or reds, but everybody is different.

7.  For "Pro" gaming, he does not need LED lights.  No "Pro" gamer ever looks at the keyboard when they are playing, b/c there is no time to look down.  IMHO, he should have a blank keyboard, but that might freak him out, I dunno.

8.  I dunno if boys like "flashy" things.  I'm a boy and I don't like shiny things simply because they are shiny.  Boys do like Ferrari's however, and so his interest in the Ferrari-themed Filco may have been more about Ferrari than the flashiness of the keyboard.  I've never met a boy who did not like Ferrari's.  Gay, straight and in-between, they all like Ferrari's.  Why?  Ask Enzo Ferrari why he was such a genius.  Well, he's dead, so you have to ask him in heaven, but you know what I mean.  Some little rich boy paid $52M for a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO, in August 2014, which is most expensive Ferrari evar.  I woulda bought that car too, but I was $51.99M short that day.

(http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2014/07/07/101815726-Ferrari_250_GTO_Berlinetta_-_Credit_Bonhams.530x298.jpeg?v=1404737687)

9.  Back to keyboards, IMHO you want a TKL with reds or browns.  Flashy does not matter.  LED's are a waste of money, and they ruin the keyboard, b/c usually you need painted keycaps which are HORRID.  You could get translucent blanks, which are kewl, but again, a "Pro" gamer does not need LED's.

10.  Numpad?  Why?  I've never seen a Pro gamer use a numpad.  But maybe he does something special with it.  I dunno. 

If you're a TL;DR person:

Final Answer:  get him a full-size 104 Filco with reds or browns.  Then get a TKL Filco with browns or reds (w/e you didn't get on the full-size), and compare them.  I'm sure you and the BF will enjoy both keyboards.   Filco is probably about the best choice in the world for a first mechanical keyboard. 

Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 19 December 2014, 13:05:01
^fair
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: JDorfler on Fri, 19 December 2014, 13:13:44
I'd say get a WASD so you can customize it so he thinks of you every time he uses it.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Fri, 19 December 2014, 13:50:14
I would also echo the sentiment that he probably wants a TKL (he may just not know that yet).  :)  I personally find a full size keyboard way too big when gaming because my mouse is a half mile away.  I personally prefer a 75% board, but that is just me. 

I am not saying you should get this keyboard because I agree that it is probably more than you should spend on the first keyboard, but this shows what a 75% looks like.  They are pretty hard to come by, so if that is a nice form factor, you might have to spend that kind of money to get one.

#1 at: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66645.msg1561305#msg1561305
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: pichu23 on Fri, 19 December 2014, 13:54:21
Sorry if this is oot, but may I ask who is your boyf since you're saying he's a professional dota 2 player ?
Just curious as I follow the scene a lot. Makes me wonder a lot :D
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Defect on Fri, 19 December 2014, 14:45:14
Ducky Shine 3.  Can find them for around 120-150.  Great lighting options for a non Kustom board, full size, and pretty standard layout so it'll be easy to get custom caps.  Check some videos on youtube.  I always liked the reactive lighting setting.  Has 6KRO over USB (and I believe NKRO with a dip switch setting), which is enough for DOTA.  Build quality is great.  Only reason I don't use my Shine II anymore is because I can't stand full size boards.

For DOTA 2 you'd be fine with almost any switch type.  I personally would never recommend clicky switches for gaming, but skill > keyboard.

I think 2 boards with different switches would be better than 1 really expensive board if it's your first mech.


If you can change his mind...smaller boards are "Better" for gaming.  Lets your mouse hand sit closer to your left hand...more practice hours in comfort.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 17:57:14
Is this a Christmas present, because otherwise I would just suggest doing something custom like a GON, that or you could find someone on the artisan section (such as myself, deffinetly not a shameless plug) that could modify any keyboard on the classifieds to MX red or brown.

Nope it's an anniversary present which is in two months!I will definitely go check out your works and the artisans section
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 18:11:22
Hmm, well, there is a lot going on here.  Here is my input:

1.  I understand that this is an anniversary present and not a Christmas present.  What is our date that you must receive the keyboard by?  Most likely you do not have time to get a Korean custom keyboard.

2.  $500 is way, way, WAY too much to spend if you are a noob.  You don't even know what you want or like, so please DO NOT SPEND $500 on your first mech keyboard. 


1. Yup anniversary present so I have bout two months

2. 3. 4. After doing all these research I think I'm really liking these keyboards. Maybe I might try out different ones for myself in the future but him it's really more like a one-off kind of present :/ but yea you have a point, 500 might be too much ...

5. They had a contract with steelseries but broke off so now they just use whatever they like...

6. He hasn't had any experience with switches before so I don't think he knows which he likes either ...

Yea, he doesn't need numpad for his games but just used to it ... Once he used a tkl and said he didn't know where to put his right hand lol I think he's other team members also use full size keyboards ...

And of course he doesn't need leds ... Just for the aesthetics

Anyway I enjoyed reading your reply and very helpful :D

Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 18:21:02
^fair

I would also echo the sentiment that he probably wants a TKL (he may just not know that yet).  :)  I personally find a full size keyboard way too big when gaming because my mouse is a half mile away.  I personally prefer a 75% board, but that is just me. 

I also think that he just doesn't know it but as a present I just thought it should reflect his habits? I dunno ... If you were to get something would u prefer it to be what you are used to or something that requires you to get used to?
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 18:25:25
Sorry if this is oot, but may I ask who is your boyf since you're saying he's a professional dota 2 player ?
Just curious as I follow the scene a lot. Makes me wonder a lot :D

Well he's in Invictus Gaming, they haven't been doing great for the past few months but picking up pace recently ... Going to star ladder in January XD
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: munch on Fri, 19 December 2014, 19:12:05
haha. sorry for OT but I read the original post and saw dota 2 + ferrari... I could only think of this one dota 2 player... ;)

more on topic...
while I like the idea of getting a custom kb and make it a little personalized and all... I can't help wondering, what if he gets sponsored by another sponsor soon again?

I have been sponsored with hardware during my gaming in the past, and you kind of have to adapt to the gear they want you to use... :( not a lot of fun when you're super into computer peripherals like keyboards, mice, mousing surfaces etc.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Fri, 19 December 2014, 20:37:26
Lol not Ferrari 430 but they are teammates

Yes there is the chance of getting sponsored but I don't think any Chinese teams have one yet maybe just for headsets
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: pichu23 on Fri, 19 December 2014, 23:06:49
Sorry if this is oot, but may I ask who is your boyf since you're saying he's a professional dota 2 player ?
Just curious as I follow the scene a lot. Makes me wonder a lot :D

Well he's in Invictus Gaming, they haven't been doing great for the past few months but picking up pace recently ... Going to star ladder in January XD

Wut ? Are you serious ? iG ?  :eek: Guessing ChuaN ?
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Sat, 20 December 2014, 20:56:43
XD not ChuaN either!
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 20 December 2014, 23:59:44
What keyboard does he use now?

I haven't tried them, but I would go for:
WASD keyboards barebones (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/mechanical-keyboard/wasd-v2-104-key-barebones-mechanical-keyboard.html), with
Vortex' white on black PBT double-shot moulded keycaps (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=774).
The stabilised keys could be a bit tricky to install, but they will not be mushy.

Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Oobly on Sun, 21 December 2014, 01:33:24
I'd recommend a Ducky Shine 3 with MX Browns or Reds. Personally I don't like linear switches like Reds and I think Browns are the best switches to get on a first mechanical board since it gives you a good reference point. Blues or Greens will give that click sound when they actuate, but they have somethimg called hysteresis which means the release point is much higher than the actuation point so you have to lift your finger practically to the top of the movement before pressing again if ypu want to double tap, which can be irritating when gaming. Reaction speed is better on Reds and Browns and Browns have a bump near the actuation point so you can find it easily.

The Shine 3 is fully backlit and has some nice lighting modes like the reactive ones which light up the you are pressing with a fade effect so you see a trail of where you've typed. Flashy, but fun.

Then find a nice keycap set that matches your theme. Keycaps are a whole other rabbit hole to go down and learn about. The 'best' are thicker, heavier caps that add some nice feel to the press. Most of the high quality and custom coloured keycaps don't allow light to shine through the letters, though.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Mon, 22 December 2014, 06:15:10
 ;) ok i just order the GON 108 housing ...
I've spoken to GON, he needs 2 months no matter what but he can help me engrave our names on top of the arrow keys so I'm also preparing .ai file for that.

now I'm deciding on the colour theme and keycaps... i'm thinking ... the clockwerk colours are red, silver, bronze, cyan. I wanted to get a red housing at first but GON recommended non-glazed black. i think that would be better too with red side LEDs.

I used the keyboard layout editor and made some templates...

Regarding the keycaps set ... A friend told me that they had a GB for GMK silver/white/red and silver/white/blue caps and will arrive in a month, so I thought I'd probably buy that off someone. They had 250 orders in total surely I can hack a set off someone :P.

Then the next time I will need is to find a red set of f keys... does anyone know anywhere i can find these or what the set may be called?

For the ESC key, I'm going to order this https://www.shapeways.com/model/2967695/clockwerk-cherry-mx-keycap.html?li=shortUrl&materialId=61. Tasker helped me make a clockwerk cap 3d model after I pmed him. I want it in bronze/silver and cyan/blue led light under it... haven't decided which...

mmmm that's that so far,  wish me luck and if you know where i can find the caps i would really appreciate it XDDDD

Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Mon, 22 December 2014, 06:36:26
Oh wow under $500! And f-row keys huh...

In that case: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66319

Just FYI, you'll still need keycaps. Which may bring you close to $500 lol. But this is a really nice korean custom board that you don't see often for sale.

i love your post on building your snowy white gon <3333
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Mon, 22 December 2014, 06:37:33
I'd recommend a Ducky Shine 3 with MX Browns or Reds. Personally I don't like linear switches like Reds and I think Browns are the best switches to get on a first mechanical board since it gives you a good reference point. Blues or Greens will give that click sound when they actuate, but they have somethimg called hysteresis which means the release point is much higher than the actuation point so you have to lift your finger practically to the top of the movement before pressing again if ypu want to double tap, which can be irritating when gaming. Reaction speed is better on Reds and Browns and Browns have a bump near the actuation point so you can find it easily.

The Shine 3 is fully backlit and has some nice lighting modes like the reactive ones which light up the you are pressing with a fade effect so you see a trail of where you've typed. Flashy, but fun.

Then find a nice keycap set that matches your theme. Keycaps are a whole other rabbit hole to go down and learn about. The 'best' are thicker, heavier caps that add some nice feel to the press. Most of the high quality and custom coloured keycaps don't allow light to shine through the letters, though.

ducky is really common in China and on Taobao :\ I don't want something that's easily obtainable ...

now i'm jumping in into that keycaps rabbit hole
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: katushkin on Mon, 22 December 2014, 06:48:37
asif YYF's girlfriend is on Geekhack :kreygasm:

Also, it's interesting to see that he uses the F row as some of his keybinds...
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:06:12
asif YYF's girlfriend is on Geekhack :kreygasm:

Also, it's interesting to see that he uses the F row as some of his keybinds...

I do that :x

Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:10:57
GON makes some sweet stuff, pricey though if you let him build it. If you want to save some time and money you could just order all the parts (I'm sure GON or someone else could help you compile the parts) and have someone just build it for you.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:17:10
I'd recommend a Ducky Shine 3 with MX Browns or Reds. Personally I don't like linear switches like Reds and I think Browns are the best switches to get on a first mechanical board since it gives you a good reference point. Blues or Greens will give that click sound when they actuate, but they have somethimg called hysteresis which means the release point is much higher than the actuation point so you have to lift your finger practically to the top of the movement before pressing again if ypu want to double tap, which can be irritating when gaming. Reaction speed is better on Reds and Browns and Browns have a bump near the actuation point so you can find it easily.

The Shine 3 is fully backlit and has some nice lighting modes like the reactive ones which light up the you are pressing with a fade effect so you see a trail of where you've typed. Flashy, but fun.

Then find a nice keycap set that matches your theme. Keycaps are a whole other rabbit hole to go down and learn about. The 'best' are thicker, heavier caps that add some nice feel to the press. Most of the high quality and custom coloured keycaps don't allow light to shine through the letters, though.

ducky is really common in China and on Taobao :\ I don't want something that's easily obtainable ...

now i'm jumping in into that keycaps rabbit hole

What about the Cherry replica set? (http://techkeys.us/products/cherry-replica-set)

I love my set and it fits the clockwerk color scheme nicely.

It's not GMK, but it's still a good set... backlight compatible... and I say that as someone who loves GMK (I own 3 sets...) and hangs out with a bunch of dota pros...

Either way, that GMK klaxon GB should be coming up soon if this isn't your thing.

GON makes some sweet stuff, pricey though if you let him build it. If you want to save some time and money you could just order all the parts (I'm sure GON or someone else could help you compile the parts) and have someone just build it for you.

You realize that it would cost about the same if someone other than GON builds it, right?

His prices are roughly in line with everyone else's.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:25:10

I'd recommend a Ducky Shine 3 with MX Browns or Reds. Personally I don't like linear switches like Reds and I think Browns are the best switches to get on a first mechanical board since it gives you a good reference point. Blues or Greens will give that click sound when they actuate, but they have somethimg called hysteresis which means the release point is much higher than the actuation point so you have to lift your finger practically to the top of the movement before pressing again if ypu want to double tap, which can be irritating when gaming. Reaction speed is better on Reds and Browns and Browns have a bump near the actuation point so you can find it easily.

The Shine 3 is fully backlit and has some nice lighting modes like the reactive ones which light up the you are pressing with a fade effect so you see a trail of where you've typed. Flashy, but fun.

Then find a nice keycap set that matches your theme. Keycaps are a whole other rabbit hole to go down and learn about. The 'best' are thicker, heavier caps that add some nice feel to the press. Most of the high quality and custom coloured keycaps don't allow light to shine through the letters, though.

ducky is really common in China and on Taobao :\ I don't want something that's easily obtainable ...

now i'm jumping in into that keycaps rabbit hole

What about the Cherry replica set? (http://techkeys.us/products/cherry-replica-set)

I love my set and it fits the clockwerk color scheme nicely.

It's not GMK, but it's still a good set... backlight compatible... and I say that as someone who loves GMK (I own 3 sets...) and hangs out with a bunch of dota pros...

Either way, that GMK klaxon GB should be coming up soon if this isn't your thing.

GON makes some sweet stuff, pricey though if you let him build it. If you want to save some time and money you could just order all the parts (I'm sure GON or someone else could help you compile the parts) and have someone just build it for you.

You realize that it would cost about the same if someone other than GON builds it, right?

His prices are roughly in line with everyone else's.

Other than mine hehehe
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:31:27
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Title: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:35:31
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That wasn't my intent, there are other people who also offer free soldering services, I just wanted to make sure the OP knew the options if there was a time crunch.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:37:05
asif YYF's girlfriend is on Geekhack :kreygasm:

Also, it's interesting to see that he uses the F row as some of his keybinds...


aww too bad hes retired (。•ˇ‸ˇ•。)
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: katushkin on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:40:06
asif YYF's girlfriend is on Geekhack :kreygasm:

Also, it's interesting to see that he uses the F row as some of his keybinds...


aww too bad hes retired (。•ˇ‸ˇ•。)

Yeah, I'm an idiot.

After even more investigation, I'm going with my final answer of June. Because google is hard when you can't go on liquidpedia and look at current team comps hah.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:48:06
i do like the cherry replica but im looking for red..mm whats this gmk set that u said is coming up?

glad to meet a fellow dota player
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: katushkin on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:50:32
glad to meet a fellow dota player

There are dozens of us!

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56127.0
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:51:59
asif YYF's girlfriend is on Geekhack :kreygasm:

Also, it's interesting to see that he uses the F row as some of his keybinds...


aww too bad hes retired (。•ˇ‸ˇ•。)



Yeah, I'm an idiot.

After even more investigation, I'm going with my final answer of June. Because google is hard when you can't go on liquidpedia and look at current team comps hah.

ok sherlock theres still ch is bug and luo XD ... anyways he uses f1 for hero f2 to speak and f3 to control courier i think...
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:53:23
i do like the cherry replica but im looking for red..mm whats this gmk set that u said is coming up?

glad to meet a fellow dota player

It's called "Klaxon" or "Red Alert"

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64679.0

This is the interest check for a GMK version, but you can get a signature plastics version in the classifieds.

Check out the rules for the classifieds here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0).
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:54:08
GON makes some sweet stuff, pricey though if you let him build it. If you want to save some time and money you could just order all the parts (I'm sure GON or someone else could help you compile the parts) and have someone just build it for you.

yes thats what i was thinking too!!!

so i bought the housing already still need PCb and a little confused as to whether I need to buy diodes and resistors and bolts
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:59:21
i do like the cherry replica but im looking for red..mm whats this gmk set that u said is coming up?

glad to meet a fellow dota player

It's called "Klaxon" or "Red Alert"

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64679.0

This is the interest check for a GMK version, but you can get a signature plastics version in the classifieds.

Check out the rules for the classifieds here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0).

Woah!!! Gonna watch that thread
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:59:46
GON makes some sweet stuff, pricey though if you let him build it. If you want to save some time and money you could just order all the parts (I'm sure GON or someone else could help you compile the parts) and have someone just build it for you.

yes thats what i was thinking too!!!

so i bought the housing already still need PCb and a little confused as to whether I need to buy diodes and resistors and bolts

You said you talked to GON, yeah?

Ask him, he's nice.

If you want LEDs and switches, you'll need diodes and resistors and things like that. Ask GON about which ones to get.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 22 December 2014, 10:59:59

GON makes some sweet stuff, pricey though if you let him build it. If you want to save some time and money you could just order all the parts (I'm sure GON or someone else could help you compile the parts) and have someone just build it for you.

yes thats what i was thinking too!!!

so i bought the housing already still need PCb and a little confused as to whether I need to buy diodes and resistors and bolts

You will need the through hole diodes he sells as well as SMD resistors and both SMD and in switch through hole LEDs.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Mon, 22 December 2014, 11:14:09
GON makes some sweet stuff, pricey though if you let him build it. If you want to save some time and money you could just order all the parts (I'm sure GON or someone else could help you compile the parts) and have someone just build it for you.

yes thats what i was thinking too!!!

so i bought the housing already still need PCb and a little confused as to whether I need to buy diodes and resistors and bolts

You said you talked to GON, yeah?

Ask him, he's nice.

If you want LEDs and switches, you'll need diodes and resistors and things like that. Ask GON about which ones to get.

I just realised it just now... Before our conversation was mainly about lead time, which colour and engraving lol .. I will ask him tmr ... It's 2 am in korea ...

Btw just realise it's so adorable u name ur keyboards so curious what cersei looks like
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 22 December 2014, 11:18:26
GON makes some sweet stuff, pricey though if you let him build it. If you want to save some time and money you could just order all the parts (I'm sure GON or someone else could help you compile the parts) and have someone just build it for you.

yes thats what i was thinking too!!!

so i bought the housing already still need PCb and a little confused as to whether I need to buy diodes and resistors and bolts

You said you talked to GON, yeah?

Ask him, he's nice.

If you want LEDs and switches, you'll need diodes and resistors and things like that. Ask GON about which ones to get.

I just realised it just now... Before our conversation was mainly about lead time, which colour and engraving lol .. I will ask him tmr ... It's 2 am in korea ...

Btw just realise it's so adorable u name ur keyboards so curious what cersei looks like

You're lucky I'm still home.

I'll PM you pictures so that this thread can stay on topic.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Mon, 22 December 2014, 11:55:47
i do like the cherry replica but im looking for red..mm whats this gmk set that u said is coming up?

glad to meet a fellow dota player

It's called "Klaxon" or "Red Alert"

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=64679.0

This is the interest check for a GMK version, but you can get a signature plastics version in the classifieds.

Check out the rules for the classifieds here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56284.0).
If you plan to buy a GMK set which is still in IC, expect to wait for over 6 months to get the caps.

Buying from a GB will take some time. If the GB is currently running it will take 3-4 months.  Just wanted to give you an idea of what to expect.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: wyatt8740 on Mon, 22 December 2014, 11:58:38
why aren't clicky boards good for gaming? I play minecraft on my model M's all the time.

And on the subject of keybinds: The numpad is a great place for hotkeys to go.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: katushkin on Mon, 22 December 2014, 12:11:50
why aren't clicky boards good for gaming? I play minecraft on my model M's all the time.

Playing minecraft is different to playing MOBAs/FPSs to a high level. Professional esports players need to have lightning fast reactions, and a lot of top tier players swear by linear switches, especially reds.

And on the subject of keybinds: The numpad is a great place for hotkeys to go.

Again, not really playing Dota, as the default keybinds are QWER and ZXCVBN, plus you are on your mouse all the time.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: wyatt8740 on Mon, 22 December 2014, 12:13:34
Playing minecraft is different to playing MOBAs/FPSs to a high level. Professional esports players need to have lightning fast reactions, and a lot of top tier players swear by linear switches, especially reds.
Okay, but I play a lot of Star Wars battlefront (you can still get multiplayer over tunngle) and have had no issues with my M's. In fact I prefer them to my infinitely less tactile AT101W.

And why are the reds and blacks faster?
(I've never had any MX switches, so please bear with me. Only got two M's and the dell which has ALPS blacks)
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 22 December 2014, 12:39:32
Playing minecraft is different to playing MOBAs/FPSs to a high level. Professional esports players need to have lightning fast reactions, and a lot of top tier players swear by linear switches, especially reds.
Okay, but I play a lot of Star Wars battlefront (you can still get multiplayer over tunngle) and have had no issues with my M's. In fact I prefer them to my infinitely less tactile AT101W.

And why are the reds and blacks faster?
(I've never had any MX switches, so please bear with me. Only got two M's and the dell which has ALPS blacks)

Linear MX switches are especially easy to doubletap. Non-linear ones are still pretty easy, but doubletapping is harder to do quickly.

For example, in something like TF2, where doubletapping is vital to avoid damage, a model M won't help you. Something with MX reds/blacks, however, will.

In DotA 2, there's a lot of fast inputs required, and MX blues will let you know that they've actuated. For the same reason, this is why SC2 players love blues as much as they do.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: wyatt8740 on Mon, 22 December 2014, 15:26:10
Alright, I think I can see that.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Tue, 23 December 2014, 05:46:08
Guys ... I'm stuck with this dilemma the whole day ... black or silver black or silver black or silver black or silver black or silver black or silver
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Tue, 23 December 2014, 08:29:18
Guys ... I'm stuck with this dilemma the whole day ... black or silver black or silver black or silver black or silver black or silver black or silver
For the case?
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Tue, 23 December 2014, 08:44:52
Guys ... I'm stuck with this dilemma the whole day ... black or silver black or silver black or silver black or silver black or silver black or silver
For the case?

yup... coz i'm having second thoughts on the clockwerk theme... i'm afraid that it wouldn't look good ... so now i'm just thinking silver or black case or red... lol
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 23 December 2014, 08:55:55
Black goes with any keyset, that's my vote!
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Tue, 23 December 2014, 10:43:10
Black goes with any keyset, that's my vote!
True, but then it could easily be mistaken for any stock plastic case by just looking at it. I vote silver. It will still look nice with different caps. :)
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Lu_e on Tue, 23 December 2014, 10:59:43
Black
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Daniel Beardsmore on Tue, 23 December 2014, 15:17:27
Dark silver maybe?
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 23 December 2014, 15:27:43
Dark silver maybe?

The hard coat color he offers is a dark grey that is very nice!
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Tue, 23 December 2014, 15:53:01


Dark silver maybe?

The hard coat color he offers is a dark grey that is very nice!

Is almost like a gunmetal?  A dark grey would look really good.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 23 December 2014, 15:56:47


Dark silver maybe?

The hard coat color he offers is a dark grey that is very nice!

Is almost like a gunmetal?  A dark grey would look really good.

my GON skinny:

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Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Tue, 23 December 2014, 15:58:34


Dark silver maybe?

The hard coat color he offers is a dark grey that is very nice!

Is almost like a gunmetal?  A dark grey would look really good.

my GON skinny:

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Nice. That is a pretty good looking option. Pretty much any set of caps will look good on it too.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 23 December 2014, 16:03:58
Yeah especially if this person plans on carrying the board around because the hard coating is really scratch resistant!
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Tue, 13 January 2015, 08:46:58
Mmmm they are starting to sell these caps in a Chinese QQ group for 185USD a set, worth buying or no?
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Tue, 13 January 2015, 09:27:07
Mmmm they are starting to sell these caps in a Chinese QQ group for 185USD a set, worth buying or no?

I have never spent 185USD on a set of keycaps and I don't plan to.  That seems very expensive.  They do appear to be GMK though, so they are the best quality keycaps you can buy, so at least that is good. 

As a comparison.  Ivan ran a GMK Dolch GB and the (very similar) base set was 110USD.  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.msg1338971#msg1338971

Keep in mind that GMK GBs do not come up very often, but I know that BunnyLake (https://ctrlalt.io/) is planning to run some GMK buys soon, so you may want to wait for that... 

Thats my two cents anyway...
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: hwood34 on Tue, 13 January 2015, 09:42:16
Mmmm they are starting to sell these caps in a Chinese QQ group for 185USD a set, worth buying or no?
Why are they so expensive? For that kit I don't think I've ever seen a GMK set higher than around $100
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Tue, 13 January 2015, 10:39:15
Mmmm they are starting to sell these caps in a Chinese QQ group for 185USD a set, worth buying or no?

I have never spent 185USD on a set of keycaps and I don't plan to.  That seems very expensive.  They do appear to be GMK though, so they are the best quality keycaps you can buy, so at least that is good. 

As a comparison.  Ivan ran a GMK Dolch GB and the (very similar) base set was 110USD.  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.msg1338971#msg1338971

Keep in mind that GMK GBs do not come up very often, but I know that BunnyLake (https://ctrlalt.io/) is planning to run some GMK buys soon, so you may want to wait for that... 

Thats my two cents anyway...

Yeah, I thought it was really expensive too.

Apparently this wasn't a group buy, some guy ordered 500 sets using his own money. He said it costed him 89EUROs per set and then there's a 20% tax for goods shipped into China and then the rest is profit for himself I guess.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: swill on Tue, 13 January 2015, 10:44:20
Mmmm they are starting to sell these caps in a Chinese QQ group for 185USD a set, worth buying or no?

I have never spent 185USD on a set of keycaps and I don't plan to.  That seems very expensive.  They do appear to be GMK though, so they are the best quality keycaps you can buy, so at least that is good. 

As a comparison.  Ivan ran a GMK Dolch GB and the (very similar) base set was 110USD.  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.msg1338971#msg1338971

Keep in mind that GMK GBs do not come up very often, but I know that BunnyLake (https://ctrlalt.io/) is planning to run some GMK buys soon, so you may want to wait for that... 

Thats my two cents anyway...

Yeah, I thought it was really expensive too.

Apparently this wasn't a group buy, some guy ordered 500 sets using his own money. He said it costed him 89EUROs per set and then there's a 20% tax for goods shipped into China and then the rest is profit for himself I guess.
BunnyLake should have both of his GBs live by the end of the week, so I would recommend checking them when they are up to see if they are to your taste.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Tue, 13 January 2015, 11:26:09
Mmmm they are starting to sell these caps in a Chinese QQ group for 185USD a set, worth buying or no?

I have never spent 185USD on a set of keycaps and I don't plan to.  That seems very expensive.  They do appear to be GMK though, so they are the best quality keycaps you can buy, so at least that is good. 

As a comparison.  Ivan ran a GMK Dolch GB and the (very similar) base set was 110USD.  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58608.msg1338971#msg1338971

Keep in mind that GMK GBs do not come up very often, but I know that BunnyLake (https://ctrlalt.io/) is planning to run some GMK buys soon, so you may want to wait for that... 

Thats my two cents anyway...

Yeah, I thought it was really expensive too.

Apparently this wasn't a group buy, some guy ordered 500 sets using his own money. He said it costed him 89EUROs per set and then there's a 20% tax for goods shipped into China and then the rest is profit for himself I guess.
BunnyLake should have both of his GBs live by the end of the week, so I would recommend checking them when they are up to see if they are to your taste.

the dolch set is so pretty <3 i wonder if anyone would sell theirs on classifieds... i'm also in love with a similar one with led windows on the f row ... but pretty sure i can't find those anywhere.

looking forward to see what bunnylake has to offer in his GB but i'm kind of weary about GBs since I heard they take ages (6months?) - -.
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: magically on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:17:10
So happy I got my Clockwerk cap from Shapeways today! It's so beautiful! Tons of pics incoming...
(http://i.imgur.com/Cf2boJd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4Tvvpvc.jpg)
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Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 20 January 2015, 07:54:39
...snip...

the dolch set is so pretty <3 i wonder if anyone would sell theirs on classifieds... i'm also in love with a similar one with led windows on the f row ... but pretty sure i can't find those anywhere.

looking forward to see what bunnylake has to offer in his GB but i'm kind of weary about GBs since I heard they take ages (6months?) - -.

Zeal has some sets of GMK Dolch for sale on his site: http://zealpc.net/collections/keycap-sets/products/dolch

It's marked up a bit from the Group Buy prices, but if you don't find someone willing to sell a set, that's a good option.

Group Buys can take time, sometimes a LONG time (Ivan's Pitch Black PBT one for example has taken more than a year and a couple of 7bit's ones also), but some are pretty short (especially the PMK ones, where you have about a month to order and usually the caps arrive about a month after the orders close).

GMK Group Buys don't happen that often, though, and usually the end product is well worth the wait.

And at least the production part of the GB with GMK buys goes pretty quickly unless you catch them during summer holiday time. Ivan is running one right now (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=66364.0).

BunnyLake will be running a GMK Group Buy for the Hyperfuse set, but I don't know quite when. Here is a pic of the Signature Plastics DCS version:

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-k4JAPvAjvTQ/Uw3z7uMKDsI/AAAAAAAAHOA/ZDxOLdFMKjA/s1600/DSC00506.jpg)
Title: Re: Keyboard for BF! Your inputs needed!!!
Post by: Huxley2500 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 10:54:50
So happy I got my Clockwerk cap from Shapeways today! It's so beautiful! Tons of pics incoming...
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Congratulations!