Try it for 2 weeks before you decide. Topre need some getting used to.
I just got CM Novatouch which has 45g topre. I am not sure if i like it :(.
I come from red and brown cherry and so far it feels kind of like going back to a dome keyboard. Anyone else had the same experience?
Will i eventually grow to appreciate it?
That's a relief. I will stick with it.
Do you guys bottom out on the topre? To me it seems impossible not to. Do you find the joy in bottoming out it?
That's a relief. I will stick with it.
Do you guys bottom out on the topre? To me it seems impossible not to. Do you find the joy in bottoming out it?
I wish everyone had the chance with a 55G Topre... It's like "the" Topre to experience... :p
To me, the HHKB is the only good reason to be using Topre. I'm not a fan of the Realforce, and I haven't yet tried a Novatouch.
I just got CM Novatouch which has 45g topre. I am not sure if i like it :(.People tend to be unsure about liking something if their expectations of the thing were not met on the first encounter. With this in mind, it could be helpful to ask yourself what you were expecting vs what you got. Comparing your expectations with what you found could help with either adjusting to the keyboard or knowing what to look for in a different keyboard.
I come from red and brown cherry and so far it feels kind of like going back to a dome keyboard. Anyone else had the same experience?
Will i eventually grow to appreciate it?
That's a relief. I will stick with it.
Do you guys bottom out on the topre? To me it seems impossible not to. Do you find the joy in bottoming out it?
I just got CM Novatouch which has 45g topre. I am not sure if i like it :(.
I come from red and brown cherry and so far it feels kind of like going back to a dome keyboard. Anyone else had the same experience?
Will i eventually grow to appreciate it?
I just got CM Novatouch which has 45g topre. I am not sure if i like it :(.
I come from red and brown cherry and so far it feels kind of like going back to a dome keyboard. Anyone else had the same experience?
Will i eventually grow to appreciate it?
I'm in the same boat. Only I've been using my Novatouch for nearly a month and it's not getting better. I really don't get it.
I just got CM Novatouch which has 45g topre. I am not sure if i like it :(.
I come from red and brown cherry and so far it feels kind of like going back to a dome keyboard. Anyone else had the same experience?
Will i eventually grow to appreciate it?
I'm in the same boat. Only I've been using my Novatouch for nearly a month and it's not getting better. I really don't get it.
Not sure what you mean by this. The actuation point for Cherry and Alps are lower than the tactile bump.
- The actuation point is lower than the tactile bump. My fingers find that bizarre.
It definitely feels different than cherry where the resistance increases as you get closer to the bottom..
- The jar is annoying when the rubber cup collapses and my fingers free-fall to the metal plate.
I wish everyone had the chance with a 55G Topre... It's like "the" Topre to experience... :p
Damn it man :D! It sux that i have to buy everything abroad with no chance to try it. Not to mention the price.
For example a Realforce 87U Tenkeyless 55g is 215$ in US will cost me more than 300$ :(.
For me, personally, I didn't find Topre to be such a revelation at first and wondered what the fuss was about. When switching back to Cherry MX though, I found them much worse than I remembered. I had grown accistomed to the buttery smooth feeling of Topre, and there sort of is no going back to Cherry for me now. I still have linear Cherries to try, but I rather like some tactility.
Not sure what you mean by this. The actuation point for Cherry and Alps are lower than the tactile bump.
- The actuation point is lower than the tactile bump. My fingers find that bizarre.
If you dont like it, get a Realforce 45g. They are the best, hands down. Ive traded all my boards and its my end game board.
No i haven't. Not sure what kind the space bar is on the Novatouch but it feels nice. It is just about the only think i like about this keyboard.If you dont like it, get a Realforce 45g. They are the best, hands down. Ive traded all my boards and its my end game board.
Have you tried the Realforce 55g?
No. Just stick to cherry MX
I'm just here to say that I think the analogy of Topre keys feeling a bit like piano keys is the best way I've ever heard it described. That's exactly how they feel to me too.
I'm one of those people whose initial response to Topre was, "This is it? It's just like a more solid/smooth rubber dome!" It took a few weeks of alternating between a few different switch types to start to really understand why some people claim Topre is the king of all switches, and now I'm a convert too.
4) Topre keyboards are historically by default, of very high quality (although some might say the recent development with the Novatouch has changed that somewhat. I have no experience with the Novatouch, so I can't say).
Well I left the Novatouch for a while as suggested, and then used it at work again. Still wasn't feeling it. It was actually starting to annoy me.
Someone had left a Lenovo rubber dome keyboard on my desk so out of curiosity I plugged it in for a break from the Novatouch. And it was when I found I got more enjoyment typing on this cheap rubber dome keyboard than I ever have from the Novatouch - including preferring the thock sound of the Lenovo- I shelved the Nova permanently. Topre is just not for me.
Mind you, I suspect the Lenovo board is on the higher end of rubber dome. The keys look well used but still have their rough surface, so I suspect they're PBT.
No. Just stick to cherry MX
Lenovo makes nice rubber dome keyboards, I really like the ones on my X220 - which actually feel surprisingly similar to dampened Topre. I agree that I did not like the Novatouch, even after using it for a week. The Novatouch felt and sounded terrible compared to other Topre keyboards. Silent modding the Novatouch changes the experience completely.
No. Just stick to cherry MX
said no one ever
There are certainly high quality rubber dome keyboards, and I don't look down on them the way some people in the community do. It's perfectly fine to end up with a standard rubber dome keyboard as your favorite daily driver, even after trying out all the fancy mechanical keyboards--I wouldn't think anything of it. It's what you do with the keyboard that really matters, so if you have a fancy keyboard but do nothing worthwhile with it, then the keyboard becomes the focus of what you do. But if you are happy with a standard rubber dome keyboard but write amazing novels and screenplays or code awesome software on it, then that's far more meaningful than obsessing over the keyboard itself.
I'm one of those people whose initial response to Topre was, "This is it? It's just like a more solid/smooth rubber dome!" It took a few weeks of alternating between a few different switch types to start to really understand why some people claim Topre is the king of all switches, and now I'm a convert too.
4) Topre keyboards are historically by default, of very high quality (although some might say the recent development with the Novatouch has changed that somewhat. I have no experience with the Novatouch, so I can't say).
I'm a Topre convert too. I used to have an HHKB and Type S, and now I have a Realforce 45g, 55g, FC660C, and Novatouch and I plan to keep the 55g, FC, and Novatouch. None of the MX switches feel as good anymore after getting used to Topre.
Having disassembled a Novatouch and seen the insides, I can say that the build quality is actually very nice - better than a Realforce. Like I mentioned earlier though, it's very difficult to take apart the Novatouch versus a Realforce. I'll describe some of the details:
- The Novatouch case is secured by 4 screws, two of which are hidden, and the two halves of the case are held together by snap-in clips similar to CM's other mechanical keyboards in which you have to use a flat-head screwdriver or some thin lever to pry the case apart carefully.
- The Novatouch uses large continuous sheets of rubber domes, as opposed to the Realforce in which each key has an individual rubber dome.
The only thing CM cheaped out on is the keycaps, which look and feel cheap, but they're probably intended to be replaced by nicer sets with Novatouch's unique MX compatibility.
More like a drug addict. I am in no way wealthy.I'm one of those people whose initial response to Topre was, "This is it? It's just like a more solid/smooth rubber dome!" It took a few weeks of alternating between a few different switch types to start to really understand why some people claim Topre is the king of all switches, and now I'm a convert too.
4) Topre keyboards are historically by default, of very high quality (although some might say the recent development with the Novatouch has changed that somewhat. I have no experience with the Novatouch, so I can't say).
I'm a Topre convert too. I used to have an HHKB and Type S, and now I have a Realforce 45g, 55g, FC660C, and Novatouch and I plan to keep the 55g, FC, and Novatouch. None of the MX switches feel as good anymore after getting used to Topre.
Having disassembled a Novatouch and seen the insides, I can say that the build quality is actually very nice - better than a Realforce. Like I mentioned earlier though, it's very difficult to take apart the Novatouch versus a Realforce. I'll describe some of the details:
- The Novatouch case is secured by 4 screws, two of which are hidden, and the two halves of the case are held together by snap-in clips similar to CM's other mechanical keyboards in which you have to use a flat-head screwdriver or some thin lever to pry the case apart carefully.
- The Novatouch uses large continuous sheets of rubber domes, as opposed to the Realforce in which each key has an individual rubber dome.
The only thing CM cheaped out on is the keycaps, which look and feel cheap, but they're probably intended to be replaced by nicer sets with Novatouch's unique MX compatibility.
Jesus Christ man, are you Bill Gates or something?
More like a drug addict. I am in no way wealthy.
Edit: I also bought my keyboards at pretty good second hand deals too, novatouch at around 130, modded 55g at 180, and fc at 200. Paid way too much for a modded rf 45g, keyboard felt mushy.
Lenovo makes nice rubber dome keyboards, I really like the ones on my X220 - which actually feel surprisingly similar to dampened Topre. I agree that I did not like the Novatouch, even after using it for a week. The Novatouch felt and sounded terrible compared to other Topre keyboards. Silent modding the Novatouch changes the experience completely.
Normally we have those hideous Logitech K120's at work, so the Lenovo KB1021 was a pleasant surprise compared to those (and the Novatouch). This is the board I'm talking about (if it's not blasphemy to publish a picture of a rubber dome!), but with the Lenovo logo, not IBM:Show Image(http://forumspp.vr-zone.net/512/medium/Image0111.jpg)
I have a couple of these, including one NiB. They are definitely amongst the better rubber dome keyboards I have used.It was a pleasant surprise. I guess even if they need to resort to making rubber domes, Lenovo/IBM make sure to do them well.
I have a couple of these, including one NiB. They are definitely amongst the better rubber dome keyboards I have used.It was a pleasant surprise. I guess even if they need to resort to making rubber domes, Lenovo/IBM make sure to do them well.
Do you know if the keys are PBT?