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Title: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: Novus on Sat, 27 December 2014, 02:11:25
Final Mouse

   This is a new company, founded by a small group of folks that have worked in the peripheral industry before.    This device is inspired by classic shapes like the DA and MX 518. As this is a new start-up company, Final Mouse is using a generic OEM shell (outside of the mouse) but they’ve designed and customized the innards of the mouse.

Amazon Link - this is not a final product yet (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MX8QSLW/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)

   I was lucky enough to receive a sample to demo and I was very surprised to see this device arrive early this morning (day after Christmas). I’ve had this mouse for less than a day so here’s a quick overview of what I think.

At a glance:
•   Light Weight (74 grams)
•   ADNS 3310 Sensor
•   Driverless
•   4 DPI settings (400, 800, 1600, 3200)

So what’s the big deal with light weight and the ADNS 3310? Why not get a 8200 DPI 4g sensor mouse instead? It’s a long story.

Most people are sort of sold into the idea that a heavier mice represents better quality (built as a tank as some people like to say) and that higher DPI represents technical advancement in action. Higher monitor resolutions and the transition into 4k monitors is also reinforcing this train of thought. What enthusiasts have actually realized is that a lot of tradeoffs happen at higher DPI’s.

Higher DPI isn’t always a good thing. We’ve long known that a lot of tradeoffs happen when you try to crank out the DPI and precision is adversely affected. You can read entire threads about this – there’s quite a few threads dedicated to architecture, optical vs laser and things like that. I don’t really want to get into this but the 3310 is generally a well-regarded sensor that has been around since late 2013 that enthusiasts like. Enthusiasts also prefer to use low DPI and flick/swipe their mice over long distances. That’s where this emphasis on lightweight devices come into play.
I went on about this longer than I would have liked and sidetracked

Right, so to the mouse.

Clicks are crisps. The scroll wheel is very nice and uses an alps encoder (I think – I’m just going by my feels here). The side buttons and the DPI changer feel a bit hallowed out and could be a tad bit better in all honesty. The mouse retains a bit of that generic OEM feeling and for that reason I’m actually reminded of the gigabyte aivia krypton which I’ve briefly used. Mouse cord is braided but not stiff.

I’m not a fan of this rubber, porous thumb rest – it’s a bit sticky right off the bat and I bet it’ll accumulate some gunk over time. On the rest of this mouse, there’s no soft touch rubber or matte finish which you expect to find adorned on a lot of gaming devices these days. I don’t know how you feel but personally, I find that soft touch rubber tends to be very slippery and wears quickly (I’m looking at you roccat kone pure) and matte touch is just a smudge magnet.

As for this OEM shell … well I hope they continue revising it in the future  :lol:  because there’s a giant hole that carried over for the original OEM device that isn't present on here that’s being covered by only the sticker. That’s not entirely a bad thing in this case because this does mean they significantly changed the PCB. There’s no DPI indicator either.
Again, this is an advance sample.


Max speed of 7.6 m/s at 400 dpi on enotus. Polling is locked at 500Hz. From what I’ve seen, reported DPI and actual DPI do seem to have a bit of variance. The sensor performs well from my subjective experience.

I always find myself torn between ergonomic (right handed) and ambidextrous devices. I like to fingertip and claw grip but I always tend to have complaints about most ambidextrous mice. I’ll find them a tad bit too small or too flat. It’s a bit weird for a fingertip grip guy to say this but I miss the hump on right handed devices. Ergonomic mice have always been associated as larger, heavier devices that are palm orientated and a bit clunky and unwieldy. It’s very nice to have an ergonomic (right handed) device which retains some of the better qualities of their ambidextrous cousins. You don’t normally associate right handed devices as being lightweight and claw friendly.

You might be thinking well this kind of sounds like Zowie’s approach. So this vs Zowie? I don’t really know, because this isn’t a final product and well price is going to be an important factor to consider. I will say that I’ve not yet bought a Zowie which hasn’t had an issue before. I’ve had 3 FK1’s which have had defective/skipping scroll wheels and I’ve had 1 EC EVO CL which had bad coating that flaked on me and another EC EVO CL 2 which had light bleeding through the side of the mouse as a giant dot. My experience with Zowie products has just been ridiculous.

I do think this company will one to watch out for in the near future. They've demonstrated they understand the enthusiast mentality. This is something that’s important and I think something that larger companies have continually missed out on by pandering to what they think the mainstream market likes. That being said, there's still some work that needs to be done.

(http://i.imgur.com/BJqzq6n.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qVDL4Pt.jpg)

Smudge magnets :/ ... I need to give my devices a quick wipe down
(http://i.imgur.com/mVDjdHd.jpg)
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 27 December 2014, 03:44:22
that is a gorgeous hhkb
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: paicrai on Sat, 27 December 2014, 03:45:57
typ s
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: fanpeople on Sat, 27 December 2014, 04:14:03
A company that opts to customise the working parts and goes for a generic case, as opposed to most other companies who roll the other way around. This is good to see.
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: woll3 on Sat, 27 December 2014, 08:04:11
Quote from: the1onewolf
As for this OEM shell … well I hope they continue revising it in the future  :lol:  because there’s a giant hole that carried over for the original OEM device that isn't present on here that’s being covered by only the sticker. That’s not entirely a bad thing in this case because this does mean they significantly changed the PCB.

How did you come to this conclusion? The hole doesnt exist on the original shell or is already covered up, so not in use, also where should they have modified the pcb and for what reason? There has been zero "modifications" from the brand itself whatsoever, factory already makes the minor modifications for usage with 3310(instead of A9800) and thats it. Not to mention that their claim about the lens is wrong.
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: munch on Sat, 27 December 2014, 11:44:36
wow, this is actually really cool.

I don't really like that kind of rubber where the thumb rests either, but maybe they could do something about it.
any idea what the button switches are? omron/huanos/other?

also, would you mind snapping some photos of the right side of it, so you can see how ones fingers would rest on it in that area?

thanks for the write-up, really nice.
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: Novus on Sat, 27 December 2014, 15:19:02
Quote from: woll3 on Sat, 27 December 2014, 08:04:11
Quote from: the1onewolf
As for this OEM shell … well I hope they continue revising it in the future  :lol:  because there’s a giant hole that carried over for the original OEM device that isn't present on here that’s being covered by only the sticker. That’s not entirely a bad thing in this case because this does mean they significantly changed the PCB.

How did you come to this conclusion? The hole doesnt exist on the original shell or is already covered up, so not in use, also where should they have modified the pcb and for what reason? There has been zero "modifications" from the brand itself whatsoever, factory already makes the minor modifications for usage with 3310(instead of A9800) and thats it. Not to mention that their claim about the lens is wrong.

If you peel the bottom sticker off you get this (http://i.imgur.com/qt1wKI6.jpg).
If this was just a minor redesign, you would've just had a functional profile button in place there.

Quote from: munch on Sat, 27 December 2014, 11:44:36
wow, this is actually really cool.

I don't really like that kind of rubber where the thumb rests either, but maybe they could do something about it.
any idea what the button switches are? omron/huanos/other?

also, would you mind snapping some photos of the right side of it, so you can see how ones fingers would rest on it in that area?

thanks for the write-up, really nice.

The left and right clicks are omrons.
Quick potatoes for the sides before I head out.

http://i.imgur.com/vC043Oz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NfQNuzz.jpg
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: woll3 on Sat, 27 December 2014, 16:00:20
"The hole doesnt exist on the original shell or is already covered up, so not in use"

Apparently i am writing in chinese or something, so here is a picture.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61xXv0KH3nL._SL1000_.jpg)

Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 27 December 2014, 16:07:54
How is the middle button like?
Is the cable soft and pliable, or do you have to fight it if it isn't laying just right?
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: Novus on Mon, 29 December 2014, 05:00:39
Quote from: Findecanor on Sat, 27 December 2014, 16:07:54
How is the middle button like?
Is the cable soft and pliable, or do you have to fight it if it isn't laying just right?

The cable is soft and pliable. It's not stiff like what'd you normally expect from a braided cable.
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: dante on Mon, 29 December 2014, 16:39:38
I just ordered a WMO so I don't need another mouse just yet.

From comments on OverClock there seems to be a lot of QA teething issues.   I do like love the fact that it's driverless.  If it shows up on MassDrop at around a $50 unlocked price I might scoop one up.
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: Novus on Wed, 31 December 2014, 04:25:26
Quote from: woll3 on Sat, 27 December 2014, 16:00:20
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"The hole doesnt exist on the original shell or is already covered up, so not in use"

Apparently i am writing in chinese or something, so here is a picture.

Show Image
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61xXv0KH3nL._SL1000_.jpg[/more])

Oh, I see what you are saying.
I still think they put a lot of work in the PCB though.
I'm sure that oem mouse probably uses a different sensor right?

I don't think its a matter of simple of asking the factory to put the 3310 sensor on the PCB though as you've said.

If that was the case Zowie would have hopped on this bandwagon earlier and god knows they're practically recycling their shells at this point. The cl evo, the fk'14 and the fk'2 are all recycled shells.

Even mionix which has used the same 2 shells for their mice took some sweet time in releasing a 3310.

Anyways for whatever its worth or not worth, I think this finalmouse tracks rather well and I've used most devices that have a 3310.
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: woll3 on Wed, 31 December 2014, 06:34:29
Quote from: the1onewolf on Wed, 31 December 2014, 04:25:26
I don't think its a matter of simple of asking the factory to put the 3310 sensor on the PCB though as you've said.

Well it is, but it still takes time and money, sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on how much already is available and who you are asking, there are actually companies out there which are only designing stuff all day(the peripherals from Asus have been designed by one of those), in this case the R&D department is part of the factory itself, also think about Ninox, do you think that somebody who sells shoes suddenly redesigns the PCB for 20-dip sensor and writes a Firmware for it? Not to mention that Mototech already "publicly offers" mice outfitted with stuff like 5050/3509 up to A9800, so 3310 isnt that far off, if not already readily available.

Quote from: the1onewolf on Wed, 31 December 2014, 04:25:26
If that was the case Zowie would have hopped on this bandwagon earlier and god knows they're practically recycling their shells at this point. The cl evo, the fk'14 and the fk'2 are all recycled shells.

Lol, everything they do is recycled and gone the cheap route, EC is a small redesign from DA, both have been originally designed by Kingsis. Also you should have noticed their pattern by now, the crowd they are aiming at is against everything new and thinks that limiting cpi options magically decreases smoothing on DSP level, they are just going until some part goes EOL or is not available anymore (3060->3090->3310), their mcu´s are also from 2007, FK1/2 only has 4 steps because it cant memorize more than that, so on and so forth, altough it wouldnt surprise me if they finally got their heads out of their arses and bring out something that increases their liquidity.

Quote from: the1onewolf on Wed, 31 December 2014, 04:25:26
Even mionix which has used the same 2 shells for their mice took some sweet time in releasing a 3310.

Oh please, dont get me started on mionix, those "engineers" and "labs", no just no, i dont want to talk about that. You also shouldnt forget that 3310 is actually "mid tier" so it has a lower priority over A9800 versions.
Title: Re: Final Mouse Impressions
Post by: dante on Sat, 06 June 2015, 18:45:24
The summer edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVGmQqRMMa0) has hit the streets.

I'm not sure what all the upgrades are - according to Jude (FM rep) at Overclock (http://www.overclock.net/t/1531877/finalmouse-2015) they have fixed a number of bugs.