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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Bromono on Sat, 27 December 2014, 19:45:37
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I want to say Blacks are my favorite. Even more then Topre. 59g blacks just sound amazing.
This video can put me to sleep:
Also, does anyone know what keyboard this is?
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Ew.
Greeeeeeens maaaaaan...
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Lubed blacks are even better. None of that scratchiness.
Looks like a GON MX Mini to me.
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Wut?
You definitely have not listened to Buckling Spring music son.
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Ew.
Greeeeeeens maaaaaan...
I cant stand clicky boards :-X I had some blues and I hated every bit of them :(
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Black switch is best switch
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Lubed blacks are even better. None of that scratchiness.
Looks like a GON MX Mini to me.
I am getting my Poker done with Lubed stickered vintage blacks and 2x3x4 Leds. going to send it to Thechemist tomorrow so he can solder them on. Kinda wish i bought springs though =(
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Ew.
Greeeeeeens maaaaaan...
I cant stand clicky boards :-X I had some blues and I hated every bit of them :(
Greens are not like blues. I don't like blues, but greens are heavier, the click is deeper, they are awesome.
Black switch is best switch
Linear is murder
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I want to try Blacks sooo bad.
Here's my favorite sound video :
Another Korean girl keyboarder with vintage blacks from G80-3314HAV 65g.
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I want to try Blacks sooo bad.
Here's my favorite sound video :
Another Korean girl keyboarder with vintage blacks from G80-3314HAV 65g.
The sound can put me asleep. I can imagine once mine is finished and my gf is typing away while i sit in bed. ahh...
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I want to try Blacks sooo bad.
Here's my favorite sound video :
Another Korean girl keyboarder with vintage blacks from G80-3314HAV 65g.
The sound can put me asleep. I can imagine once mine is finished and my gf is typing away while i sit in bed. ahh...
Yeaaah...
Here's the Topre version of my lullaby. She did some heavy modding on it but it sounds so nice.
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I want to try Blacks sooo bad.
Here's my favorite sound video :
Another Korean girl keyboarder with vintage blacks from G80-3314HAV 65g.
The sound can put me asleep. I can imagine once mine is finished and my gf is typing away while i sit in bed. ahh...
Yeaaah...
Here's the Topre version of my lullaby. She did some heavy modding on it but it sounds so nice.
That's weird, they sound softer then the 45g hhkbs
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Are we talking just the sound, or are we talking about feel as well? If so, like a nice forged vs cast iron, it's about the whole experience. Not just one aspect it. Something can sound extremely nice, but if you need a hammer to actuate the switch, it really takes away from just the sound aspect.
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Ew.
Greeeeeeens maaaaaan...
I cant stand clicky boards :-X I had some blues and I hated every bit of them :(
Greens are not like blues. I don't like blues, but greens are heavier, the click is deeper, they are awesome.
They are even better with thick SA keycaps :)
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Green + SA/GMK = WIN
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For me, the more silent they are the better. If there has to be sound, then I appreciate when it is the switch rather than the clattering and pinging of other parts of the keyboard.
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Black really is not bad. You cause noise because you type bottom out much more. Pls try type slow & reduce bottom out. After a long times to prepare that, I believe you can type more silent :) Good luck :thumb:
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Mmm.
I heard that vintage Blacks are even better.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Reds sound basically the same as Blacks as long as the typist manages their strength properly and doesn't bottom out?
(Ahem. I, er.. definitely don't bottom out on my Reds. Ahem.)
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Yup, soft typing on linear switches with thick keycaps… mmm!
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I want to say Blacks are my favorite. Even more then Topre. 59g blacks just sound amazing.
Reds will be the same if you swap out the springs..the sliders are the same as blacks...
Of course, depending on whether you believe the existence of vintage blacks as being different or just worn blacks and that the same thing can't be done for reds..
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I want to say Blacks are my favorite. Even more then Topre. 59g blacks just sound amazing.
Reds will be the same if you swap out the springs..the sliders are the same as blacks...
Of course, depending on whether you believe the existence of vintage blacks as being different or just worn blacks and that the same thing can't be done for reds..
Very true. I just believe it's the novelty of having vintage blacks. I think it may be more psychological the anything; but the vintage blacks feel so buttery smooth. especially after they are lubed and stickered.
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Wait... you like blacks more than the lovely pitter-pat of a silenced Topre? I am shocked and appalled! Shocked, I say!
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Are vintage blacks actually different or are they just more buttery because they have been used before and the sliders have worn to the parts that it..well..slides against?
If it's because Cherry made "better" keyswitches before, doesn't this mean that vintage Blues, Reds, etc are also better than their modern counterparts?
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Are vintage blacks actually different or are they just more buttery because they have been used before and the sliders have worn to the parts that it..well..slides against?
If it's because Cherry made "better" keyswitches before, doesn't this mean that vintage Blues, Reds, etc are also better than their modern counterparts?
There is both. Worn in blacks and vintage blacks. People say vintage blacks where made differently then modern blacks and have the smoother feeling. hard to say unless you try them for your self. In my opinion vintage blacks feel a little more lighter then modern blacks. but meh could be my mind.
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I'm sorry, but...
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I'm sorry, but...
I like how they feel! just way to noisy =(. That one keyboard sounds like a whole room full of these
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blues. the click is just magical ^-^
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Are vintage blacks actually different or are they just more buttery because they have been used before and the sliders have worn to the parts that it..well..slides against?
If it's because Cherry made "better" keyswitches before, doesn't this mean that vintage Blues, Reds, etc are also better than their modern counterparts?
There is both. Worn in blacks and vintage blacks. People say vintage blacks where made differently then modern blacks and have the smoother feeling. hard to say unless you try them for your self. In my opinion vintage blacks feel a little more lighter then modern blacks. but meh could be my mind.
I think a lot of people used to think that..I think lately most people don't feel that is truly the case but I could be wrong...There seemed to be a general consensus awhile back that vintage blacks were just worn a bit which is why they were smoother....
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Lubed Vintage Blacks (50-55g for me) are my favorite MX switch in feel and sound, but silenced Topres still take the cake for me :thumb:
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I'm sorry, but...
Like hail stones on a cold tin roof :)
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Are vintage blacks actually different or are they just more buttery because they have been used before and the sliders have worn to the parts that it..well..slides against?
If it's because Cherry made "better" keyswitches before, doesn't this mean that vintage Blues, Reds, etc are also better than their modern counterparts?
There is both. Worn in blacks and vintage blacks. People say vintage blacks where made differently then modern blacks and have the smoother feeling. hard to say unless you try them for your self. In my opinion vintage blacks feel a little more lighter then modern blacks. but meh could be my mind.
I think a lot of people used to think that..I think lately most people don't feel that is truly the case but I could be wrong...There seemed to be a general consensus awhile back that vintage blacks were just worn a bit which is why they were smoother....
Sounds like I've missed something, because I've seen only questions in the last several months. My answer remains the same: I can tell blacks on NIB vintage Cherry G80s from blacks on modern gaming keyboards blindfolded.
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So you've removed them and tried them blind? Or blind by using two completely different keyboards where even modern blacks will feel different from each other...not to mention browns, etc...
Maybe we're backing to questioning this..but at least 6+ months ago a lot of people seemed to agree vintage just meant worn...*shrug*
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So you've removed them and tried them blind? Or blind by using two completely different keyboards where even modern blacks will feel different from each other...not to mention browns, etc...
Maybe we're backing to questioning this..but at least 6+ months ago a lot of people seemed to agree vintage just meant worn...*shrug*
Swapped various switch parts on PCB-mounted keyboards, and found vintage (NIB) housing+stem to be consistently significantly different (smoother) from modern linear MX switches.
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I think some others did some tests as well..with many mx blacks...and basically came to the conclusion that vintage blacks does not guarantee you having a smoother black compared to modern mx blacks...although the likelihood of having a smoother switch is higher...
This is with swapping the stem/housing with others as well...
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Are vintage blacks actually different or are they just more buttery because they have been used before and the sliders have worn to the parts that it..well..slides against?
If it's because Cherry made "better" keyswitches before, doesn't this mean that vintage Blues, Reds, etc are also better than their modern counterparts?
There is both. Worn in blacks and vintage blacks. People say vintage blacks where made differently then modern blacks and have the smoother feeling. hard to say unless you try them for your self. In my opinion vintage blacks feel a little more lighter then modern blacks. but meh could be my mind.
I think a lot of people used to think that..I think lately most people don't feel that is truly the case but I could be wrong...There seemed to be a general consensus awhile back that vintage blacks were just worn a bit which is why they were smoother....
Sounds like I've missed something, because I've seen only questions in the last several months. My answer remains the same: I can tell blacks on NIB vintage Cherry G80s from blacks on modern gaming keyboards blindfolded.
But that could just be because of the difference in the keyboard....
Hmm.
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Links please, if you have any.
I implanted switch parts from various sources¹ into a late-80's G80-1000, a late-2000's G80-1800 and an early-90's 5191. I did the test² repeatedly with various keycaps too. (Several other people (non-enthusiasts) were asked to do brief ABX testing as well.)
Nothing stood out in terms of smoothness, except the 80's G80 MX Black housing+stem (and old/used brown stems, but I don't know enough to make any conclusions from that and it's not the point here); even blacks from the Wyse keyboards would require Cherry picking (pun not intended), not to start with old blues (or their housings, respectively).
I should start a thread with all the details… some day.
¹ MX Black from mid-to-late-80's Cherry G80s in NIB to newish condition, late-80's/early-90's Wyse terminal keyboards in newish to heavily-used condition, a late-2000's heavily used Cherry G80 (to the point of inconsistently shiny PBT keycaps), and early-2010's slightly used gaming keyboards (QFR, choc mini) and NIB switches (Massdrop); I also tested MX Blue from late-80's/early-90's 5191s in NIB and heavily-used condition and from WASD (bought in 2012/2013, never used), and MX Brown from an 1996 heavily-used G80-11802 and a NIB 2012 Kinesis Advantage
² puzzle games played on ASDF remapped to arrows
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Any reason you like blacks over reds? In theory they should sound the same, unless you're a very heavy handed typist :P
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Any reason you like blacks over reds? In theory they should sound the same, unless you're a very heavy handed typist :P
Reds are 55g. To light for me. Lightest I will go is 59g.
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Any reason you like blacks over reds? In theory they should sound the same, unless you're a very heavy handed typist :P
Isn't that kind of like asking why someone prefers one sort of cheese over another?
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Links please, if you have any.
Just search for vintage blacks. I think the two that did the tests I remember seeing were WFD and tp4. It was some time in late 2013 I think...
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Any reason you like blacks over reds? In theory they should sound the same, unless you're a very heavy handed typist :P
Isn't that kind of like asking why someone prefers one sort of cheese over another?
Sorry, you misunderstood me; I meant the sound of the switch, not the feel :p
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Again the lightness. Easier to bottom out reds and not get that nice thock sound. When I type on reds I feel like my fingers are the hulk and are about to smash through the board.
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Again the lightness. Easier to bottom out reds and not get that nice thock sound. When I type on reds I feel like my fingers are the hulk and are about to smash through the board.
But you just said you want 59g blacks..Korean springs are measured at bottom so they're about the same (slightly less since I think normal cherries are 60g). Since the sliders for reds and balcks are the same shape you're actually talking about reds that are slightly lighter than what you've already said are too light...
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Any reason you like blacks over reds? In theory they should sound the same, unless you're a very heavy handed typist :P
Isn't that kind of like asking why someone prefers one sort of cheese over another?
Sorry, you misunderstood me; I meant the sound of the switch, not the feel :p
Oh, I see.