no.
hhkb is the best keyboard.
The FC660C has a more solid build and has dedicated arrow keys.Pretty sure the FC660c is also extremely expensive.
I find it more useful than my (extremely expensive) HHKB.
layout & mobility wise -> hhkbThat's like saying you want a bicycle and a unicycle but don't want to buy both so you buy a 1.5-cycle that is a gimped version of both.
typing experience and metal plate -> 87u (55)
I have fc660c and is eating dust at this moment, probably will sell it at some point.
Anyway, with a big smile, I think that leo keyb is for this "smart ones", who don't want ending buying both hhkb & 87u combo, just like to have something in between.
HHKB by far > everything else.The FC660C has a more solid build and has dedicated arrow keys.Pretty sure the FC660c is also extremely expensive.
I find it more useful than my (extremely expensive) HHKB.
HHKB is case-mounted, and from all accounts sounds better than FC660C.
HHKB by far > everything else.The FC660C has a more solid build and has dedicated arrow keys.Pretty sure the FC660c is also extremely expensive.
I find it more useful than my (extremely expensive) HHKB.
The FC660C has arrow keys, which makes it a safe purchase.
Can't go by the prices of last year when making these comparisons when they aren't valid anymore. I got my Type-S for 250 (can still be had for this price) and the cheapest FC660C is now 230+HHKB by far > everything else.The FC660C has a more solid build and has dedicated arrow keys.Pretty sure the FC660c is also extremely expensive.
I find it more useful than my (extremely expensive) HHKB.
My HHKB Type-S ($350) is almost twice as expensive than my FC660C ($180).
The lack of dedicated arrow keys on the HHKB make purchasing one a risky bet: what if you don't adapt to this? I have read plenty of stories here about people selling theirs after a few weeks.
The FC660C has arrow keys, which makes it a safe purchase.
Can't go by the prices of last year when making these comparisons when they aren't valid anymore. I got my Type-S for 250 (can still be had for this price) and the cheapest FC660C is now 230+I completely agree with the above because they cost pretty much the same nowadays for me to get them. Still torn between these two.
No need to be torn between the two. The HHKB is the correct choice in this situation :thumb:Can't go by the prices of last year when making these comparisons when they aren't valid anymore. I got my Type-S for 250 (can still be had for this price) and the cheapest FC660C is now 230+I completely agree with the above because they cost pretty much the same nowadays for me to get them. Still torn between these two.
No need to be torn between the two. The HHKB is the correct choice in this situation :thumb:Can't go by the prices of last year when making these comparisons when they aren't valid anymore. I got my Type-S for 250 (can still be had for this price) and the cheapest FC660C is now 230+I completely agree with the above because they cost pretty much the same nowadays for me to get them. Still torn between these two.
The only reason the FC660C is selling for so much money now is because there is no readily available source from which to buy it so sellers with the board jack up the prices because there are still those who will want to buy it.
Hell, when the FC660C was selling for 189 on EliteKeyboards.com, tons of people still bought the HHKB over it even though the HHKB cost 300-400 (dollars depending on model) back then.
Now that the FC660C supply has dried out and HHKB prices have dropped (this most likely has something to do with the Japanese currency exchange rate), the choice is a no-brainer.
You're just putting words in my mouth. I never implied I had sales figures nor have I posted any statement that would need justification from sales figures.No need to be torn between the two. The HHKB is the correct choice in this situation :thumb:Can't go by the prices of last year when making these comparisons when they aren't valid anymore. I got my Type-S for 250 (can still be had for this price) and the cheapest FC660C is now 230+I completely agree with the above because they cost pretty much the same nowadays for me to get them. Still torn between these two.
The only reason the FC660C is selling for so much money now is because there is no readily available source from which to buy it so sellers with the board jack up the prices because there are still those who will want to buy it.
Hell, when the FC660C was selling for 189 on EliteKeyboards.com, tons of people still bought the HHKB over it even though the HHKB cost 300-400 (dollars depending on model) back then.
Now that the FC660C supply has dried out and HHKB prices have dropped (this most likely has something to do with the Japanese currency exchange rate), the choice is a no-brainer.
And then the guy will come back, trying to sell his HHKB, explaining he didn't realize how much he needed direct access to the arrow keys.
Would you care to share with us the sales numbers of EliteKeyboards? Because you certainly know them, as you say that tons of people bought the HHKB over the FC660C.
So, what are the numbers?
You're just putting words in my mouth. I never implied I had sales figures nor have I posted any statement that would need justification from sales figures.No need to be torn between the two. The HHKB is the correct choice in this situation :thumb:Can't go by the prices of last year when making these comparisons when they aren't valid anymore. I got my Type-S for 250 (can still be had for this price) and the cheapest FC660C is now 230+I completely agree with the above because they cost pretty much the same nowadays for me to get them. Still torn between these two.
The only reason the FC660C is selling for so much money now is because there is no readily available source from which to buy it so sellers with the board jack up the prices because there are still those who will want to buy it.
Hell, when the FC660C was selling for 189 on EliteKeyboards.com, tons of people still bought the HHKB over it even though the HHKB cost 300-400 (dollars depending on model) back then.
Now that the FC660C supply has dried out and HHKB prices have dropped (this most likely has something to do with the Japanese currency exchange rate), the choice is a no-brainer.
And then the guy will come back, trying to sell his HHKB, explaining he didn't realize how much he needed direct access to the arrow keys.
Would you care to share with us the sales numbers of EliteKeyboards? Because you certainly know them, as you say that tons of people bought the HHKB over the FC660C.
So, what are the numbers?
My post simply stated that a ton of people bought HHKBs over the FC660C, and just that. "A ton" is an ambiguous term that I used to mean "a lot." Any amount can be considered "a lot," even 50. And while I don't have sales figures, I'd bet a good amount of money that EK has sold over 50 HHKBs to people that did not buy FC660Cs.
Drawing from the tone of your post and your demand of sales figures, you seem to have incorrectly interpreted my post as me saying there were more HHKBs sold compared to the FC660C - which is certainly not what I wrote.
Um... You're just being belligerent now. Bravo.You're just putting words in my mouth. I never implied I had sales figures nor have I posted any statement that would need justification from sales figures.No need to be torn between the two. The HHKB is the correct choice in this situation :thumb:Can't go by the prices of last year when making these comparisons when they aren't valid anymore. I got my Type-S for 250 (can still be had for this price) and the cheapest FC660C is now 230+I completely agree with the above because they cost pretty much the same nowadays for me to get them. Still torn between these two.
The only reason the FC660C is selling for so much money now is because there is no readily available source from which to buy it so sellers with the board jack up the prices because there are still those who will want to buy it.
Hell, when the FC660C was selling for 189 on EliteKeyboards.com, tons of people still bought the HHKB over it even though the HHKB cost 300-400 (dollars depending on model) back then.
Now that the FC660C supply has dried out and HHKB prices have dropped (this most likely has something to do with the Japanese currency exchange rate), the choice is a no-brainer.
And then the guy will come back, trying to sell his HHKB, explaining he didn't realize how much he needed direct access to the arrow keys.
Would you care to share with us the sales numbers of EliteKeyboards? Because you certainly know them, as you say that tons of people bought the HHKB over the FC660C.
So, what are the numbers?
My post simply stated that a ton of people bought HHKBs over the FC660C, and just that. "A ton" is an ambiguous term that I used to mean "a lot." Any amount can be considered "a lot," even 50. And while I don't have sales figures, I'd bet a good amount of money that EK has sold over 50 HHKBs to people that did not buy FC660Cs.
Drawing from the tone of your post and your demand of sales figures, you seem to have incorrectly interpreted my post as me saying there were more HHKBs sold compared to the FC660C - which is certainly not what I wrote.
OK, thank you for clarifying that you have actually no idea how many HHKBs and FC660Cs have been sold, and no idea if the HHKB actually sold more or less units than the FC660C in the time frame when both were available on EliteKeyboard.
Um... You're just being belligerent now. Bravo.You're just putting words in my mouth. I never implied I had sales figures nor have I posted any statement that would need justification from sales figures.No need to be torn between the two. The HHKB is the correct choice in this situation :thumb:Can't go by the prices of last year when making these comparisons when they aren't valid anymore. I got my Type-S for 250 (can still be had for this price) and the cheapest FC660C is now 230+I completely agree with the above because they cost pretty much the same nowadays for me to get them. Still torn between these two.
The only reason the FC660C is selling for so much money now is because there is no readily available source from which to buy it so sellers with the board jack up the prices because there are still those who will want to buy it.
Hell, when the FC660C was selling for 189 on EliteKeyboards.com, tons of people still bought the HHKB over it even though the HHKB cost 300-400 (dollars depending on model) back then.
Now that the FC660C supply has dried out and HHKB prices have dropped (this most likely has something to do with the Japanese currency exchange rate), the choice is a no-brainer.
And then the guy will come back, trying to sell his HHKB, explaining he didn't realize how much he needed direct access to the arrow keys.
Would you care to share with us the sales numbers of EliteKeyboards? Because you certainly know them, as you say that tons of people bought the HHKB over the FC660C.
So, what are the numbers?
My post simply stated that a ton of people bought HHKBs over the FC660C, and just that. "A ton" is an ambiguous term that I used to mean "a lot." Any amount can be considered "a lot," even 50. And while I don't have sales figures, I'd bet a good amount of money that EK has sold over 50 HHKBs to people that did not buy FC660Cs.
Drawing from the tone of your post and your demand of sales figures, you seem to have incorrectly interpreted my post as me saying there were more HHKBs sold compared to the FC660C - which is certainly not what I wrote.
OK, thank you for clarifying that you have actually no idea how many HHKBs and FC660Cs have been sold, and no idea if the HHKB actually sold more or less units than the FC660C in the time frame when both were available on EliteKeyboard.
I never even said the HHKB sold more units than the FC660C. Can you not read? All I said was that there are many people that chose the HHKB over the FC660C.
Since you insist on putting words in others' mouths I'll just leave you with this: I know you're upset that I pointed out that your "extremely expensive" description of the HHKB is moot in this conversation now because both keyboards in question are similarly priced. Regardless, that is no reason to try to debunk my post on false and fanciful grounds.
I appreciate the fact that you've made some constructive posts and contributions to this forum in the past but now you're being nothing more than petty, antagonistic, and defensive without properly thinking out your replies in this thread.
Go home before you lose all the respect you've gained previously.
I have used them extensively for months and I still use them. I have disassembled them both and modded them. I did more work on the FC660C because my HHKB was already silenced.
Even if the FC660C was as expensive as the HHKB, in my opinion it would still compare favorably.
It's better built. For example, it has a strong metal plate which the HHKB lacks. The metal plate provide a solid feel overall, which also translate to a better typing feel! This is subjective, I know, but I really can't see how it would be worse than no plate at all. And it has a more "solid" sound: the HHKB sounds hollow because it is indeed a hollow plastic case. I have posted earlier a sound comparison with 9 keyboards, including the HHKB Type-S and the silenced FC660C.
The FC660C has arrow keys. This makes it much more approachable for most users, and arguably will contribute to the "feel" or overall impression of the keyboard.
I think the HHKB should be priced much less than the FC660C due to the fact that it provides neither the solid build nor the arrow keys.
In favor of the HHKB, which I use and like, I would mention the minimalist design and the weight: it's lighter than the FC660C and is more adapted to mobile use.
I have used them extensively for months and I still use them. I have disassembled them both and modded them. I did more work on the FC660C because my HHKB was already silenced.
Even if the FC660C was as expensive as the HHKB, in my opinion it would still compare favorably.
It's better built. For example, it has a strong metal plate which the HHKB lacks. The metal plate provide a solid feel overall, which also translate to a better typing feel! This is subjective, I know, but I really can't see how it would be worse than no plate at all. And it has a more "solid" sound: the HHKB sounds hollow because it is indeed a hollow plastic case. I have posted earlier a sound comparison with 9 keyboards, including the HHKB Type-S and the silenced FC660C.
The FC660C has arrow keys. This makes it much more approachable for most users, and arguably will contribute to the "feel" or overall impression of the keyboard.
I think the HHKB should be priced much less than the FC660C due to the fact that it provides neither the solid build nor the arrow keys.
In favor of the HHKB, which I use and like, I would mention the minimalist design and the weight: it's lighter than the FC660C and is more adapted to mobile use.
Well I'll call you on this one. First, the price.
HHKB typs-s coming with 2 usb ports (unpowered but enough to plug the mouse), silenced mod (increased stem height), lubed stabilizers (I know not big deal but always), 6 dip switches (info on the back of keyb), and even landing pads for space barShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/su9Saki.jpg)
Now let’s look on Leo; metal plate, 2 additional keys (caps lock & control key), 4 dips switches, arrows keys.
It will require job around to make apply silent mod, which will reduce key travel (what in my opinion is killing the idea), and lube stabilizers.
Not sure how difference in the price between this two keyboards can even be questionable. Still, there is open question – if this products are worthy the money tag on them – but there is no easy answer for it.
Subjective impressions;
Fc660c has metal plate and arrow keys. HHKB is “plastic” with special layout . In my opinion, both got different selling points.
HHKB is “daily all around with you” mobile keyboard. To accomplish this, it need to be light and small. Yet, is easy to buy key replacement (expensive though) and even alternative controller to make HHKB full programmable.
I really like typing on it, my fatigued fingers (I use 87u 55 in home office) welcome light keys with pleasure.
Leo for me is striped version of TKL, the “space saver”. FN + arrow is great idea (was hard for me to make it work on mac though), is not as big as 87u, yet still provide similar (yet not the same) typing experience.
Is rather hard to find full key replacement if someone like to, but still it can be done. This is my version when I was using it (with 55gr keys):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/r7Z45vD.jpg?1)
So which one is better. For me ;) , HHKB for all around keyboard.
Fc660c is making sense only if you have terribly busy desk (at work/home) and needs for smaller keyboard without big difference in layout. Otherwise, I’ll advise to get Realofrce 87u instead of Leopold.
Vary similar price now, and regarding topre feeling, nothing can beat 87u 55gr. And Leo is not even close…
Where did you find a FC660C with 55g keys?
I know Hasu has been working on this for a while, and I really hope he succeeds eventually.
Oh man, a bluetooth HHKB might just make me come back to Topre land
But just to add my two cents here (having previously owned both):
On Mac/*nix I'd have to give it to the HHKB. Dat sound. Dat feel. But on a Windows box, where you regularly need arrows and home/end/pgup/pgdown, I gotta give it to the 660C.
Both are great boards, although (oddly) I do wish the 660C weren't plate mounted and instead was "case"-mounted like the HHKB.