Improved TKL:I'm not sure how I feel about this...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/agK3Fmr.png)
I like things about that suggested TKL, but for starters ... the backspace & space have been reversed.Sure, put space on whichever thumb you currently use for for the spacebar.
To be honest Dihedral, it sounds like you just need a Leopold FC660 layout.
Do you use Insert a lot? Since it isn't mentioned in your OP. I hate that key, then again I write reports and stuff in which the Home-cluster is quite useful.
Improved TKL:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/agK3Fmr.png)
Here is a picture of the layouts of a 22miniShow Image(http://kbdlab.co.kr/files/attach/images/26648/426/052/969820671488cbfabd43f5b7f9ff52aa.jpg)
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HHKB with split Space Bar, arrow keys, navigation cluster and function keys.
Eject is for Mac users. If you use PC, swap Meta and Alt keys and make Eject into an Insert key.
"Erase Eaze" is the another name used for second Backspace, used on NMB keyboards and also named in the USB HID spec for the code assigned to it.
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HHKB with split Space Bar, arrow keys, navigation cluster and function keys.
Eject is for Mac users. If you use PC, swap Meta and Alt keys and make Eject into an Insert key.
"Erase Eaze" is the another name used for second Backspace, used on NMB keyboards and also named in the USB HID spec for the code assigned to it.
I very much like Findecanor's effort. I am still not going for the TKL layout, but at least his is a big improvement without idiosyncratic swapping around of keys.
That said, I am tremendously surprised that most of you programmers haven't figured out what to do with useless keys. Surely you can program scripts to run macros on them! I use scroll lock all the time (for non scroll lock purposes!)
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HHKB with split Space Bar, arrow keys, navigation cluster and function keys.
Eject is for Mac users. If you use PC, swap Meta and Alt keys and make Eject into an Insert key.
"Erase Eaze" is the another name used for second Backspace, used on NMB keyboards and also named in the USB HID spec for the code assigned to it.
I very much like Findecanor's effort. I am still not going for the TKL layout, but at least his is a big improvement without idiosyncratic swapping around of keys.
That said, I am tremendously surprised that most of you programmers haven't figured out what to do with useless keys. Surely you can program scripts to run macros on them! I use scroll lock all the time (for non scroll lock purposes!)
I also very much like it. It influenced the v2 of my TKL as shown in the updated version (here (http://tinyurl.com/dihedral77-v2))
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HHKB with split Space Bar, arrow keys, navigation cluster and function keys.
Eject is for Mac users. If you use PC, swap Meta and Alt keys and make Eject into an Insert key.
"Erase Eaze" is the another name used for second Backspace, used on NMB keyboards and also named in the USB HID spec for the code assigned to it.
I very much like Findecanor's effort. I am still not going for the TKL layout, but at least his is a big improvement without idiosyncratic swapping around of keys.
That said, I am tremendously surprised that most of you programmers haven't figured out what to do with useless keys. Surely you can program scripts to run macros on them! I use scroll lock all the time (for non scroll lock purposes!)
I also very much like it. It influenced the v2 of my TKL as shown in the updated version (here (http://tinyurl.com/dihedral77-v2))
That exact layout is a bit of a unicorn at least for factory boards. The only one that I know of that will get you close is the IBM 4704 terminal board in the 77 key variety. There are only 3 known boards in the GH/DT community. One owner at DT has a pair and might be selling one. The problem is it will be VERY expensive. I am not going to say the price (I was talking with him on a possible trade with some cash exchange for it but got shot down), but I will say it was more than the Sherline 2000 mill with DRO I was looking at.
Outside of that, you are looking at a custom job.
I also very much like it. It influenced the v2 of my TKL as shown in the updated version (here (http://tinyurl.com/dihedral77-v2))
I also very much like it. It influenced the v2 of my TKL as shown in the updated version (here (http://tinyurl.com/dihedral77-v2))
Amazingly designed :thumb:
If it were a commercial product I would pruchase one
How about a very small change? If you put the top row 0.25 to the left (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/23e55e13c44c3812573a06ea2c666a04), the layout is more symmetric, yet still familiar.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OsexkoF.png)
How about a very small change?(http://i.imgur.com/OsexkoF.png)
Because now you have non standard caps aside from just the bottom row.Keycaps is not the main reason to avoid this though. The main reason is that shifting away from the standard stagger imposes a big learning cost and big switching-back-and-forth cost for anyone with years of experience on other keyboards. Shifting the top row over by 3/16" yields almost no practical benefit (the keyboard is still terrible from an “ergonomics” perspective); the only real advantages are (subjective) aesthetic ones. Not worth it.
That said, I am tremendously surprised that most of you programmers haven't figured out what to do with useless keys.I've got PrtScr, ScrLk and Pause mapped as media keys on my home computer. Pause is of course Play/Pause.
How about a very small change?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OsexkoF.png)Because now you have non standard caps aside from just the bottom row.Keycaps is not the main reason to avoid this though. The main reason is that shifting away from the standard stagger imposes a big learning cost and big switching-back-and-forth cost for anyone with years of experience on other keyboards. Shifting the top row over by 3/16" yields almost no practical benefit (the keyboard is still terrible from an “ergonomics” perspective); the only real advantages are (subjective) aesthetic ones. Not worth it.
instead of having a full PCB for testing and prototype, just get some enablers form techkeys.
instead of having a full PCB for testing and prototype, just get some enablers form techkeys.
So you just lay those guys out how you like, hook them up to a teensy and test?
instead of having a full PCB for testing and prototype, just get some enablers form techkeys.
So you just lay those guys out how you like, hook them up to a teensy and test?
see https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=67848.0
true but more difficult soldering plus with enablers there is the option of PCB mount stabs
Personally I think the enablers are a total waste of money that don’t save any effort. But YMMV.
Have you considered moving the integrated numpad to the left side of the keyboard?
I use a separate numpad currently and it sits on the left side, although the arrows and nav cluster are still on the left of my TKL
Have you considered moving the integrated numpad to the left side of the keyboard?
I use a separate numpad currently and it sits on the left side, although the arrows and nav cluster are still on the left of my TKL
This would be great for people who need space between the right side of their keyboard and the mouse, like me =)
Or.... put the numblock in the middle (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/9401691045e4dd32e73acdc55b019ac7)? That way you get more hand separation plus easier access to the mouse, for both righthanders and lefthanders.
I did maintain the standard stagger in this suggestion. For easier adoption.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9cpWj9G.png)
I made some mistakes, this one (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/313bd168a0e593ba9ec9224996dfba25)is better.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aB9mn6a.png)
I made some mistakes, this one (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/313bd168a0e593ba9ec9224996dfba25)is better.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aB9mn6a.png)
I did maintain the standard stagger in this suggestion. For easier adoption.Have you ever found any backwards Enter keys like those?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9cpWj9G.png)
I made some mistakes, this one (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/313bd168a0e593ba9ec9224996dfba25)is better.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aB9mn6a.png)
I made some mistakes, this one (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/313bd168a0e593ba9ec9224996dfba25)is better.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/aB9mn6a.png)
This actually looks very inviting.
Hi Dihedral - yes, the arrows may (or may not) be in a hard position? Got to try that out. Anyway, feel free to steal any idea from me. Or not, the Improved TKL is your idea and project.
Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35223.0;attach=3265;image)
This is the best layout for TKL.
Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=35223.0;attach=3265;image)
This is the best layout for TKL.
I was thinking about how to improve the board from a hardware perspective, not the layout... there are plenty of threads on that topic.
While not all keys are on the correct row, they are all standard sized keys (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@=Esc&_x:1%3B&=F1&=F2&=F3&=F4&_x:2.25%3B&=Num%20Lock&=Delete&=%2F%2F&=*&=-&_x:1.75%3B&=F5&=F6&=F7&=F8&_x:0.5%3B&=F9&=F10&=F11&=F12%3B&@_y:0.5%3B&=~%0A%60&=!%0A1&=%2F@%0A2&=%23%0A3&=$%0A4&=%25%0A5&=%5E%0A6&_x:1.25%3B&=Home&=7%0AHome&=8%0A%E2%86%91&=9%0APgUp&=PgUp&_x:2.25%3B&=%2F&%0A7&=*%0A8&=(%0A9&=)%0A0&=%2F_%0A-&=+%0A%2F=&_w:2%3B&=Backspace%3B&@_w:1.5%3B&=Tab&=Q&=W&=E&=R&=T&_x:1.75%3B&=End&=4%0A%E2%86%90&=5&=6%0A%E2%86%92&=PgDn&_x:1.75%3B&=Y&=U&=I&=O&=P&=%7B%0A%5B&=%7D%0A%5D&_w:1.5%3B&=%7C%0A%5C%3B&@_w:1.75%3B&=Caps%20Lock&=A&=S&=D&=F&=G&_x:1.5&h:2%3B&=+&=1%0AEnd&=2%0A%E2%86%93&=3%0APgDn&_h:2%3B&=Enter&_x:2%3B&=H&=J&=K&=L&=%2F:%0A%2F%3B&=%22%0A'&_w:2.25%3B&=Enter%3B&@_w:2.25%3B&=Shift&=Z&=X&=C&=V&_x:3%3B&=0%0AIns&=%E2%86%91&=.%0ADel&_x:2.5%3B&=B&=N&=M&=%3C%0A,&=%3E%0A.&=%3F%0A%2F%2F&_w:2.75%3B&=Shift%3B&@_w:1.5%3B&=Ctrl&_w:1.5%3B&=Alt&_w:6.25%3B&=&=%E2%86%90&=%E2%86%93&=%E2%86%92&_w:6.25%3B&=&_w:1.5%3B&=Alt&=Win&=Menu&_w:1.5%3B&=Ctrl). Thoughts, comments, critiques?
this requested layout does not existWorks for me. Here’s a different link format:
this requested layout does not existWorks for me. Here�s a different link format:
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/9b1dc2d0e7835ad4bf92e6f2a9fc68f9Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Bbl773L.png)
The spacebars are ridiculous.
Why not split the spacebars (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/3dbc3910336862f6578444e5a4e5b6d7) and do something useful with them?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7NXi0gu.png)
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HHKB with split Space Bar, arrow keys, navigation cluster and function keys.
Eject is for Mac users. If you use PC, swap Meta and Alt keys and make Eject into an Insert key.
"Erase Eaze" is the another name used for second Backspace, used on NMB keyboards and also named in the USB HID spec for the code assigned to it.
Thanks. BTW, I am actually building one almost like it, without the function row. It is an old project that has been laying dormant for much too long that I restarted the other day. After not having had any luck in getting any Red Scarf II PCB or GH60 PCB to use as base, I'm going to do direct wiring. I posted a project thread (http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/wip-custom-69-key-t9786.html#p206756) over on Deskthority.
The space bar is not split right now, but I might do that now that I am not restricted to a PCB.