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Title: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 17 January 2015, 08:36:06
RIP my Steam dedicated SSD. Going to have to make some tough calls on what to delete. :(
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Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: baldgye on Sat, 17 January 2015, 08:37:08
damn
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 17 January 2015, 08:39:01
And you may as well triple that once people start releasing texture mods and such.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 17 January 2015, 08:59:07
I knew this 1TB ssd would come in handy..

I

JUST

KNEW

IT


It wasn't an impulse buy... AT ALL... (http://s4.postimage.org/1gcnakles/th_46.gif)
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 17 January 2015, 09:24:39
Are you ****ing serious? What the **** is all of that going to be used for?
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 17 January 2015, 09:37:36
Are you ****ing serious? What the **** is all of that going to be used for?

My GUESS... uncompressed audios... and Large textures...

They probably want to get latency down as much as possible..  and reduce CPU usage..
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 17 January 2015, 10:26:51
Are you ****ing serious? What the **** is all of that going to be used for?

My GUESS... uncompressed audios... and Large textures...

They probably want to get latency down as much as possible..  and reduce CPU usage..

Yes, it's mainly to reduce load times and keep the world seamless for large online groups. I feel like it should've been optional though and used matchmaking to match players with full installs with one another.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: slip84 on Sat, 17 January 2015, 10:32:52
It absolutely kills me that storage became a moot point several years ago (1TB+ drives were becoming common and cheap), but now there is a space crunch again, which is typically self-imposed. I boot from an SSD, but all my games are still on a spinner. Performance isn't big enough to convince me to drop serious dough on a large SSD yet.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 17 January 2015, 10:39:19
It absolutely kills me that storage became a moot point several years ago (1TB+ drives were becoming common and cheap), but now there is a space crunch again, which is typically self-imposed. I boot from an SSD, but all my games are still on a spinner. Performance isn't big enough to convince me to drop serious dough on a large SSD yet.

Where've u been..  SSD isn't serious dough anymore..   
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sat, 17 January 2015, 11:14:52
SSD prices have been dropping huge the last month. There has been loads of SSDs on sale for $50-70 range for 128-256GB. I'm totally positive those rumors I've been hearing about that new intel/micron 3D nand toppling SSD prices and having large capacity in the 2TB+ being close to current hdd prices may really turn out to be true. There is also some talk about dram/nand replacement that will be slot compatible with ddr4 that will replace both which can dynamically change between memory and storage use on the fly... starting at 256GB per stick capacity.
Exciting stuff! I can't wait to dump all my traditional hard drives.

As far as games getting bigger... it really doesn't matter to me. I only install one game at a time as it encourages me to try and actually finish it instead of allowing myself to get distracted with something else. The only thing that sucks for me about big games is with digital distribution and that it takes days to download it. As far as GTAV specifically, I wasn't really that excited for it until I saw you will be able to play in first person without having to resort to hacky mods. I really did enjoy playing 4 with the first person mod despite some of the glitchiness so that is just great to me as I've always massively preferred first person to third person.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Doyniish on Sat, 17 January 2015, 11:15:59
It's a HUGE and very detailed game. This isn't surprising to me at all.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: exitfire401 on Sat, 17 January 2015, 11:42:49
Noisy, use steam mover. It's free and you won't have to pick and choose then. When i finish a game, i move it to one of my 2TB externals.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 17 January 2015, 11:58:10
Can Steam read from directories on separate drives? Do I need to do a 2nd install of Steam and mess with the save folders?
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: slip84 on Sat, 17 January 2015, 12:54:56
I have Steam store games on two different drives without issue. No hacks or whatever. Just when I go to install, I install it to the disc that I want. A quick google search found this: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-1853743/steam-multiple-drives.html
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Joey Quinn on Sat, 17 January 2015, 19:27:58
I guess it isn't going on my SSD, but I'll still probably get it.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Sent on Sat, 17 January 2015, 19:32:15
I knew this 1TB ssd would come in handy..

I

JUST

KNEW

IT


It wasn't an impulse buy... AT ALL...
Show Image
(http://s4.postimage.org/1gcnakles/th_46.gif)


Yuuuuppppp.  Amen to that.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 17 January 2015, 19:32:34
I guess it isn't going on my SSD, but I'll still probably get it.

why not..  such a big game, means it's probably going to be hitting the drive more than other games.. so.. it'd make even more sense to load it on the SSD.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Coreda on Sat, 17 January 2015, 19:37:46
Titanfall was 50GB, so it's not surprising. Every game going forward is getting bigger.

Lord knows how big Star Citizen will eventually be.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: exitfire401 on Sat, 17 January 2015, 19:43:06
Can Steam read from directories on separate drives? Do I need to do a 2nd install of Steam and mess with the save folders?

Steam can read from as many as 6 different directories from my experience. Origin only reads from one.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: PunksDead on Sat, 17 January 2015, 20:54:38
Wheew thats a nice chunk of hardrive, atleast my laptop can hold 2 SSD's, now to see if the 680m can hold up for another season...
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 17 January 2015, 21:02:25
Wheew thats a nice chunk of hardrive, atleast my laptop can hold 2 SSD's, now to see if the 680m can hold up for another season...

Derrr... 680m is equivalent to a desktop nvidia 660 or an amd 7950...

So.... @ 1080p  it should be fine.. 
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 17 January 2015, 23:06:04
lol **** that noise

i'll have to uninstall some of the games i never planned on playing
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: bueller on Sat, 17 January 2015, 23:08:18
Wow. Looks like I need to buy another SSD.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: byker on Sat, 17 January 2015, 23:10:40
Do you guys like having games on an ssd? I use an SSD for windows and some programs, but a regular hdd for games and larger files. I am considering buying a nice and big ssd for everything sometime.. Would be able to remove the hd cage in my hadron air then.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Sat, 17 January 2015, 23:23:40
Do you guys like having games on an ssd? I use an SSD for windows and some programs, but a regular hdd for games and larger files. I am considering buying a nice and big ssd for everything sometime.. Would be able to remove the hd cage in my hadron air then.

I don't notice any real performance increase except with games tbh. Stuff like Maya, UDK, and 3DSM still run the same on SSD or HDD for me.
I use one as a boot drive to though, and it makes a huge difference there.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Sent on Sat, 17 January 2015, 23:39:26
Do you guys like having games on an ssd? I use an SSD for windows and some programs, but a regular hdd for games and larger files. I am considering buying a nice and big ssd for everything sometime.. Would be able to remove the hd cage in my hadron air then.

I don't notice any real performance increase except with games tbh. Stuff like Maya, UDK, and 3DSM still run the same on SSD or HDD for me.
I use one as a boot drive to though, and it makes a huge difference there.

One SSD.  Everything on it.  I love it, especially for games.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 18 January 2015, 12:19:00
Depends a lot on what ssd if it's going to perform better in some situations. Like some ssd have crap write speeds (where I am calling anything under 200mb/s 'crap' and which is even more true on sata 3gbps) that are about the same as a fast hdd, so clearly it wouldn't give much benefit there.
Lately I have been using ssd for transcoding, then copy over to the hdd when it's done. I can see a definite improvement there as my ssd has 5x faster writes than my hdd, so it actually does finish about 5x faster since it's not being held up by write performance. While I don't do much things like 3D renders, I am pretty sure the same can apply there if the rest of the hardware is performing the task fast enough where it's being held up by write speeds.

Now is not a great time to buy ssd really to invest in 'top performance' sata ssd currently on the market... there is too many new things coming. Most important of which will be sane priced consumer level pci-e based or m.2 ssd using the new nvm express interface which will become new common standard. NVMe has a massive performance increase, and will leave current sata ahci ssd in the dust. Pairing NVMe with new 3D nand, and we may end up with drives that perform magnitudes faster than sata ssd at cheaper prices.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 18 January 2015, 12:58:12
Depends a lot on what ssd if it's going to perform better in some situations. Like some ssd have crap write speeds (where I am calling anything under 200mb/s 'crap' and which is even more true on sata 3gbps) that are about the same as a fast hdd, so clearly it wouldn't give much benefit there.
Lately I have been using ssd for transcoding, then copy over to the hdd when it's done. I can see a definite improvement there as my ssd has 5x faster writes than my hdd, so it actually does finish about 5x faster since it's not being held up by write performance. While I don't do much things like 3D renders, I am pretty sure the same can apply there if the rest of the hardware is performing the task fast enough where it's being held up by write speeds.

Now is not a great time to buy ssd really to invest in 'top performance' sata ssd currently on the market... there is too many new things coming. Most important of which will be sane priced consumer level pci-e based or m.2 ssd using the new nvm express interface which will become new common standard. NVMe has a massive performance increase, and will leave current sata ahci ssd in the dust. Pairing NVMe with new 3D nand, and we may end up with drives that perform magnitudes faster than sata ssd at cheaper prices.

NVMe will do nothing for consumers..

All that stuff only matter to servers.. because none of it helps low queue depth..


Servers are essentially what's deciding which storage frontier to push.

Because for the Consumer,, their needs have been met and exceeded LONG AGO, ever since the beginning of SSDs.    When we first got ~ 20MB/s random 4k... Job DONE...
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: hwood34 on Sun, 18 January 2015, 19:20:36
Do you guys like having games on an ssd? I use an SSD for windows and some programs, but a regular hdd for games and larger files. I am considering buying a nice and big ssd for everything sometime.. Would be able to remove the hd cage in my hadron air then.
It really only makes a difference for boot times, no real advantage for games. I just have a small SSD for my OS, and a 4TB HDD for everything else
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: byker on Sun, 18 January 2015, 20:15:49
Do you guys like having games on an ssd? I use an SSD for windows and some programs, but a regular hdd for games and larger files. I am considering buying a nice and big ssd for everything sometime.. Would be able to remove the hd cage in my hadron air then.
It really only makes a difference for boot times, no real advantage for games. I just have a small SSD for my OS, and a 4TB HDD for everything else


Yeah thats what I do too. I think I will stick with this for now, maybe move to an all ssd setup in the future sometime.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tbc on Sun, 18 January 2015, 20:45:12
ssds are dirt cheap nowadays.  buy the cheap ones; this ain't 1st, 2nd, or even 3rd gen anymore.  ALL modern ssds are good enough for mass storage usage (frankly, they're all good enough for every usecase except scratch drives)
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:40:06
Just pre-ordered. That deal was too sweet
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: byker on Mon, 19 January 2015, 16:14:08
Just pre-ordered. That deal was too sweet


On steam?
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 16:21:27
Just pre-ordered. That deal was too sweet


On steam?
yessir
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: byker on Mon, 19 January 2015, 16:23:05
Just pre-ordered. That deal was too sweet


On steam?
yessir


I am thinking I should preorder because I will want to play it as soon as it comes out. But what if it doesn't live up to the expectations?  :-\
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 16:26:56
Just pre-ordered. That deal was too sweet


On steam?
yessir


I am thinking I should preorder because I will want to play it as soon as it comes out. But what if it doesn't live up to the expectations?  :-\
Well you can already see how good it was for console, it really just comes down to how well of a port it is, and from what I'm hearing + Rockstar has taken a metric ****-ton of time on this it should be good
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 19 January 2015, 16:27:49
65GB?  Won't someone think of the poor Canadians and Australians?
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 19 January 2015, 16:30:49
65GB?  Won't someone think of the poor Canadians and Australians?

HAHAHAHA.. yea we just heard about canadian internet gouging people..
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tbc on Mon, 19 January 2015, 16:54:58
65GB?  Won't someone think of the poor Canadians and Australians?

nop

meanie japanese people made fun of my internet connection in hotkeys thread :(
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Michael on Mon, 19 January 2015, 17:24:12
Why is this even shocking? Game files are only going to increase in size with bigger/better textures, audio, etc.


Plus - holy **** is this game massive inside the game. Surprised it's not larger than 65GB :O
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: exitfire401 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 17:25:17
Why is this even shocking? Game files are only going to increase in size with bigger/better textures, audio, etc.


Plus - holy **** is this game massive inside the game. Surprised it's not larger than 65GB :O

I was honestly expecting 100. Especially with the audio library.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Mon, 19 January 2015, 17:25:22
Just pre-ordered. That deal was too sweet


On steam?
yessir


I am thinking I should preorder because I will want to play it as soon as it comes out. But what if it doesn't live up to the expectations?  :-\
Well you can already see how good it was for console, it really just comes down to how well of a port it is, and from what I'm hearing + Rockstar has taken a metric ****-ton of time on this it should be good

Agreed, I am generally against preorders since they are quickly damaging the gaming development industry, but having played a little of the PC version online (albeit over a private network) it ran very smoothly. But who knows what will happen on launch day when 2million people try to log in at once. Remember Diablo 3?

But honestly people are working very hard to ensure launch day goes smoothly, specifically focused on online play.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 19 January 2015, 17:26:45
Why is this even shocking? Game files are only going to increase in size with bigger/better textures, audio, etc.


Plus - holy **** is this game massive inside the game. Surprised it's not larger than 65GB :O

It's not shocking, but it seems like you can't buy physical copies of games anymore.  When you're someplace like Canada and Australia with data caps, the option to install from disc would be nice.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: meow a cat on Mon, 19 January 2015, 19:20:45
Why is this even shocking? Game files are only going to increase in size with bigger/better textures, audio, etc.


Plus - holy **** is this game massive inside the game. Surprised it's not larger than 65GB :O

It's not shocking, but it seems like you can't buy physical copies of games anymore.  When you're someplace like Canada and Australia with data caps, the option to install from disc would be nice.

I had to pre-order to make sure I get a copy of GTA V on disc. That seems to be almost the only way these days, otherwise there aren't many PC games out there on disc any more. My local Wal-Mart had a few newer games on disc though, like D3 ROS, Dragon Age Inquisition, and I bought Civ Beyond Earth there on disc. It's a bit sad, I like collecting physical games.

You know what really made me shake my head? When I bought a copy of D3 on disc, the DVD just had an installer and I had to download the entire game anyway. .-.

At 65GB, I hope the game is actually on the DVD's.  :))

Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 19 January 2015, 20:18:54
Why is this even shocking? Game files are only going to increase in size with bigger/better textures, audio, etc.


Plus - holy **** is this game massive inside the game. Surprised it's not larger than 65GB :O

It's not shocking, but it seems like you can't buy physical copies of games anymore.  When you're someplace like Canada and Australia with data caps, the option to install from disc would be nice.

I had to pre-order to make sure I get a copy of GTA V on disc. That seems to be almost the only way these days, otherwise there aren't many PC games out there on disc any more. My local Wal-Mart had a few newer games on disc though, like D3 ROS, Dragon Age Inquisition, and I bought Civ Beyond Earth there on disc. It's a bit sad, I like collecting physical games.

You know what really made me shake my head? When I bought a copy of D3 on disc, the DVD just had an installer and I had to download the entire game anyway. .-.

At 65GB, I hope the game is actually on the DVD's.  :))



what?  hahahahahaha.... that probably won't happen.. if they used dual layers, that'd be at least 5 dvds With compression..  8-10 dvds without.. or 15 dvds single layer.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: nubbinator on Mon, 19 January 2015, 20:21:24
If you're spending that much on a game and they keep inflating the prices like they do, you'd better damn well be able to get physical media and install it from that, especially if you're in a country with data caps.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 19 January 2015, 20:23:51
If you're spending that much on a game and they keep inflating the prices like they do, you'd better damn well be able to get physical media and install it from that, especially if you're in a country with data caps.

LOL... It'd be kinda cool to see 15 single layer dvds..

But most likely  9 dual layer dvds..

or 7 with compression
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 20:26:53
I complain about my DSL, but man being an Aussie must suck more than anything
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tjcaustin on Mon, 19 January 2015, 20:51:26
All this talk about disk space has made me price SSDs again.  500 gb 850 evo for the price I spent for a 256 840 pro over a year ago?  Sold
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 19 January 2015, 20:56:51
All this talk about disk space has made me price SSDs again.  500 gb 850 evo for the price I spent for a 256 840 pro over a year ago?  Sold

Um...

There's really no point in getting the evo..

You can get up to 4GB / $1   on sale on the budget drives..

THey'll load your games just as fast..
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Tue, 20 January 2015, 10:43:11
True, you can get 480gb ssd from mushkin or pny for like $160. While not top performance models on iops, they are still fine especially as a secondary drive. I think it's kind of funny that you can now buy 1TB for about the same price as I paid for my first SSD which was only 80GB many years ago.
Though I still will hold onto my past comments... unless you really need to buy or are getting a really good sale price on something I would wait. As for NVMe... it's going to be like moving from IDE to sata. It will be a big deal. Sata wasn't designed with solid state in mind, but NVMe is and will address all those shortcomings.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Tue, 20 January 2015, 15:18:10
Yeah, I paid $200 for a 250GB only last year, and am not super anxious to throw more money at the same thing in such recent succession.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 20 January 2015, 16:04:15
True, you can get 480gb ssd from mushkin or pny for like $160. While not top performance models on iops, they are still fine especially as a secondary drive. I think it's kind of funny that you can now buy 1TB for about the same price as I paid for my first SSD which was only 80GB many years ago.
Though I still will hold onto my past comments... unless you really need to buy or are getting a really good sale price on something I would wait. As for NVMe... it's going to be like moving from IDE to sata. It will be a big deal. Sata wasn't designed with solid state in mind, but NVMe is and will address all those shortcomings.

Please explain how NVMe will affect us Peasants working with low queues..

Samsung web says, improved sequential performance (useless), improved latency from 10us to 3us whooptifreakindoo.. (useless)

This is solely a data centers game..  completely irrelevant to average consumers.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 20 January 2015, 16:06:56
Look at this picture..  the p3700 gots the nvme...

Doesn't do jack ****..

Look at the 4k, bar in the middle..  see how it remains virtually UNCHANGED between nvme and single sata.

(http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/6/5/6520_16_intel_dc_p3700_800gb_nvme_vs_intel_730_series_sata_ssd_raid_report.png)
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tbc on Wed, 21 January 2015, 00:09:49
is nvme even enabled on consumer chipsets yet?

i imagine that when nvme becomes standard, people will just buy a new SSD with nvme support and relegate their current SSD to secondary/storage purposes.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 21 January 2015, 04:37:36
is nvme even enabled on consumer chipsets yet?

i imagine that when nvme becomes standard, people will just buy a new SSD with nvme support and relegate their current SSD to secondary/storage purposes.

You need at least a z97 platform for Nvme support..

But I'm telling ya'll,  it doesn't do anything AT ALL for consumers..

It's a good thing if it's there,  but it's hardly a feature you'd upgrade-to-get.. because it offers zero advantage at low queue depths..

Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Wed, 21 January 2015, 11:39:40
When they won't cost any different... why argue against it though? Also, crystalmark is a really crappy benchmark which none of the serious ssd reviewers even use anymore. Pretty much any other benchmark shows results starting at 90MB/s with nvme drives on 4K random starting at QD2 depending on the drive for the consumer tier stuff with some able to do as much as 200MB/s. Enterprise stuff needs a larger QD but can hit up into the 700MB/s plus. On sequential we're looking at 1GB/s speeds.
That intel drive result you selected is also one of the worst performers available. But I can only assume you did that intentionally for your argument.
Do most people need that kind of performance right now? Surely not... but if it's not going to cost much more than current sata ahci drives there is no reason not to step up. It's going to be the standard sooner than later.
Yeah intel 9 series has nvme natively with m.2 support, though not all boards implemented it fully. Otherwise you need a pci-e ssd (or pci-e m.2 adapter card) and UEFI motherboard. Many of them don't work properly as boot drive on old bios systems, they don't even show up in the boot selection.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 21 January 2015, 21:40:46
When they won't cost any different... why argue against it though? Also, crystalmark is a really crappy benchmark which none of the serious ssd reviewers even use anymore. Pretty much any other benchmark shows results starting at 90MB/s with nvme drives on 4K random starting at QD2 depending on the drive for the consumer tier stuff with some able to do as much as 200MB/s. Enterprise stuff needs a larger QD but can hit up into the 700MB/s plus. On sequential we're looking at 1GB/s speeds.
That intel drive result you selected is also one of the worst performers available. But I can only assume you did that intentionally for your argument.
Do most people need that kind of performance right now? Surely not... but if it's not going to cost much more than current sata ahci drives there is no reason not to step up. It's going to be the standard sooner than later.
Yeah intel 9 series has nvme natively with m.2 support, though not all boards implemented it fully. Otherwise you need a pci-e ssd (or pci-e m.2 adapter card) and UEFI motherboard. Many of them don't work properly as boot drive on old bios systems, they don't even show up in the boot selection.

It most definitely WILL COST MORE..

If it didn't cost more.. you'd not see any argument from me..

How does upgrading a platform not cost money

How does buying new drives not cost money

Does that New drive translate to improved performance FOR regular people vs their existing SSD drive or cheaper drives without NVME?

Drive speeds at low queue depths is not bottlenecked by ahci.. 

Drive speeds at high queue depths is..


Since we don't actually use high queue depth in the desktop environments..

ANYONE with current platforms should NOT upgrade FOR THAT FEATURE alone..


I don't disagree that it's an uptick of a feature.. my point is that, that-uptick, is not something which Applies to ANYONE outside of Enterprise.

(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/whaaat1-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862525)
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: hking0036 on Sat, 24 January 2015, 21:19:26
How? It doesn't even look really really great. All these games keep getting bloated but I'm not seeing much improvement at all (watch dogs, CoD Ghosts, etc)
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 24 January 2015, 21:22:59
How? It doesn't even look really really great. All these games keep getting bloated but I'm not seeing much improvement at all (watch dogs, CoD Ghosts, etc)

Conspiracy to sell Larger SSDs.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: hking0036 on Sat, 24 January 2015, 21:34:04
How? It doesn't even look really really great. All these games keep getting bloated but I'm not seeing much improvement at all (watch dogs, CoD Ghosts, etc)

Conspiracy to sell Larger SSDs.
I'm too stupid to figure out how youtube embeds work yet
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 25 January 2015, 00:32:04
How? It doesn't even look really really great. All these games keep getting bloated but I'm not seeing much improvement at all (watch dogs, CoD Ghosts, etc)

Conspiracy to sell Larger SSDs.
I'm too stupid to figure out how youtube embeds work yet

YouTube linking broken. Someone 's not fixing it
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Sun, 25 January 2015, 09:49:37
Larger textures are more noticeably better on higher resolution like 1440p or above. Additionally they look better from the start so you don't need to apply as much or any AA or AF in some cases which improves overall performance without the need for the extra post processing. Though, what I don't understand is why procedural generation isn't used more. You get a lot of the same benefits without the huge increase in needed disk space.


As for youtube embed... it's not 'broken' per se, just gimped right now as it won't show up on some browsers without choosing to allow mixed content.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 25 January 2015, 14:22:58
Larger textures are more noticeably better on higher resolution like 1440p or above. Additionally they look better from the start so you don't need to apply as much or any AA or AF in some cases which improves overall performance without the need for the extra post processing. Though, what I don't understand is why procedural generation isn't used more. You get a lot of the same benefits without the huge increase in needed disk space.


As for youtube embed... it's not 'broken' per se, just gimped right now as it won't show up on some browsers without choosing to allow mixed content.

Jeez, not everybody rich and got super CPU power for them procedural trees like u Ivan
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: IvanIvanovich on Mon, 26 January 2015, 11:02:26
It doesn't require a lot of processing power generally if it's implemented properly. It's been around for some time now as a technique so is fairly mature though for some reason is not utilized much. For example
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Kkrieger_screenshot.jpg)
kkreiger, while old from 2004 was 100% procedurally generated and the whole game was only 96k. It looks just as good as most other games from the same period. I'm sure they could do similar level of current games with updated techniques and would be no problem for modern quad cores.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tbc on Mon, 26 January 2015, 20:51:32
http://gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/327/what-happened-to-procedurally-generated-textures
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Ramuq on Thu, 29 January 2015, 03:45:37
Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 January 2015, 16:29:15
Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD


That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 29 January 2015, 16:31:28
Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD


That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 29 January 2015, 16:35:31
Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD


That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

well if you want to do it before you die..

You'd need multiple readers,  and an auto swipe mechanism.. could be kinda cool..
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Ramuq on Thu, 29 January 2015, 16:37:45
Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD


That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

I actually had one of these, I used it all of about twice I think haha. We need some type of eReader to usb connector now...
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 29 January 2015, 16:39:43
Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD


That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

I actually had one of these, I used it all of about twice I think haha. We need some type of eReader to usb connector now...
Can someone confirm the amount of data held on a single card?
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: Ramuq on Thu, 29 January 2015, 17:45:36
Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD


That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

I actually had one of these, I used it all of about twice I think haha. We need some type of eReader to usb connector now...
Can someone confirm the amount of data held on a single card?

No idea how big they can get, but one can hold Mario bros from  the Nes which is about 24 kb. Assuming you you have one 25 kb strip per card it would take 2,600,000 e reader cards to hold the game.
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 29 January 2015, 18:14:39
Guess it's time to invest and a GTA dedicated SSD


That's how all the gangsta playas r0LL

I plan on loading the entire game using a Nintendo e reader

I actually had one of these, I used it all of about twice I think haha. We need some type of eReader to usb connector now...
Can someone confirm the amount of data held on a single card?

1mb flash ROM, so it'll take a while :))
Title: Re: GTAV will require 65GB of install space for PC
Post by: vivalarevolución on Sun, 01 February 2015, 16:26:39
This thread just inspired me to delete Grand Theft Auto off my computer.