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Title: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:12:31: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC660C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Switch-Keyboard-Dye-Sublimated-White-PBT-/331454162971?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d2c35281b

Looks like a stellar deal at first, but I'd say there's a 95% chance you won't get your item. Seller has very little feedback, all from ancient transactions. Only recent activity was another auction from yesterday in which he sold 10 bikes, way under price also, with free shipping -- just doesn't make any sense: http://www.ebay.com/itm/All-Terrain-26-Mens-Fat-Tire-Mountain-Bike-Lightweight-Aluminum-Frame-Mud-Snow-/331452695199?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item4d2c1ec29f

No actual pics of the products.

I feel like people are going to snap up all 10 because they just can't resist -- unfortunately I don't think these Leopolds exist.

I think this guy is going to miss rent or something, and is doing a fast cash grab. Obviously he has some experience with the mechanical KB community -- you don't just randomly pick a product like a white dyesub Leopold to scam with, unless you know what it is. Hate to think this guy is among us.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: slip84 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:21:51: Also, his profile says he's in the US, but shipping from HK in the product description. Fishy!
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:22:45: Seller shows to be in North Carolina but the item description says the item ships from Hong Kong.

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Shipping information

 Usually, we ship orders within 2 days when we receive payment. We ship to Worldwide by HK post , it usually takes 8-35 days to arrive, but sometimes it may takes about or more than 35 days(it may affected by post office, custom or weather, ect). ship to USA 7-25 days,If the items still haven’t arrive you after 35 days, please contact us, we will solve the problem for you soon!

Edit: ninja'd :-\
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: yomammary on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:34:33: That's an impossible price.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:35:59: sketchy stuff
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: slickmamba on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:36:17: worth the risk with buyer protection? aha
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:38:25: Quote from: slickmamba on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:36:17
worth the risk with buyer protection? aha

was my initial thought, although you need to be willing to tie up $110 for the sake of testing this seller's integrity...
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: exitfire401 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:38:57: Quote from: yomammary on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:34:33
That's an impossible price.

Nah, they "fell off a truck"
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:45:29: Quote from: exitfire401 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:38:57
Nah, they "fell off a truck"

Not even sure about that, seller could easily pull $170 or so with just a simple pic of the boxes. No pic = no product at all, I am guessing.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: exitfire401 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:46:49: Quote from: intelli78 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:45:29
Quote from: exitfire401 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:38:57
Nah, they "fell off a truck"

Not even sure about that, seller could easily pull $170 or so with just a simple pic of the boxes. No pic = no product at all, I am guessing.

I agree completely. Not worth the risk at all. I was just making a joke about the price to him. I don't feel like this is anywhere near legit.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: Halverson on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:50:05: Well at least eBay will have your back if you want to test the scam waters.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:51:37: reminds me of that deal on tv's the other day.....anybody test those waters?
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: PunksDead on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:55:52: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:22:45
Seller shows to be in North Carolina but the item description says the item ships from Hong Kong.

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Shipping information

 Usually, we ship orders within 2 days when we receive payment. We ship to Worldwide by HK post , it usually takes 8-35 days to arrive, but sometimes it may takes about or more than 35 days(it may affected by post office, custom or weather, ect). ship to USA 7-25 days,If the items still haven’t arrive you after 35 days, please contact us, we will solve the problem for you soon!

Edit: ninja'd :-\

is he trying to wait out the claim process through paypal by saying shipping may take over 35 days?
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: billnye on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:56:36: North Carolina represent
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:57:50: Quote from: PunksDead on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:55:52
is he trying to wait out the claim process through paypal by saying shipping may take over 35 days?

Damn, good thinking. Very likely.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:58:37: Quote from: intelli78 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:57:50
Quote from: PunksDead on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:55:52
is he trying to wait out the claim process through paypal by saying shipping may take over 35 days?

Damn, good thinking. I bet that's exactly it.

And I guess its one way to get a quick loan that you have > 30 days to pay back.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: berserkfan on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:03:20: Quote from: PunksDead on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:55:52
Quote from: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:22:45
Seller shows to be in North Carolina but the item description says the item ships from Hong Kong.

Quote

Shipping information

 Usually, we ship orders within 2 days when we receive payment. We ship to Worldwide by HK post , it usually takes 8-35 days to arrive, but sometimes it may takes about or more than 35 days(it may affected by post office, custom or weather, ect). ship to USA 7-25 days,If the items still haven’t arrive you after 35 days, please contact us, we will solve the problem for you soon!

Edit: ninja'd :-\

is he trying to wait out the claim process through paypal by saying shipping may take over 35 days?

That's the only way his scam can work.

He knows he can't scam most people, but he doesn't need to. He only needs to scam a few foolish enough to let the time window pass by for claims. The rest he can just refund if you get really angry and threaten to leave negative feedback. Because paypal doesn't allow you to file claims once time is up, they will not even have records for the number of times he scammed people.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:07:24: Here is what ebay's money back guarantee says

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If you did not receive the item, or the item is not as described, you have 30 days from your actual or latest estimated delivery date to open a request, under the eBay Money Back Guarantee.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: Sygaldry on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:26:13: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:07:24
Here is what ebay's money back guarantee says

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If you did not receive the item, or the item is not as described, you have 30 days from your actual or latest estimated delivery date to open a request, under the eBay Money Back Guarantee.
So basically since this seller is estimating a delivery date of 8-35 days, you really have 38-65 days to file a claim on PayPal.

Hmm..............
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:27:50: Quote from: Sygaldry on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:26:13
Quote from: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:07:24
Here is what ebay's money back guarantee says

Quote
If you did not receive the item, or the item is not as described, you have 30 days from your actual or latest estimated delivery date to open a request, under the eBay Money Back Guarantee.
So basically since this seller is estimating a delivery date of 8-35 days, you really have 38-65 days to file a claim on PayPal.

Hmm..............

Well you have that long to file a claim with ebay, I'm not 100% sure how paypal works in this process.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: inanis on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:28:49: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 12:51:37
reminds me of that deal on tv's the other day.....anybody test those waters?

My buddy did. He did not get the TV, which is not surprising, but he just couldn't resist. He said that eBay emailed him proactively a few days ago to tell him it was a scam and he will get refunded.

I think what is happening is that all those passwords that got stolen some time back are being used on unsuspecting or currently defunct accounts. I'm not sure how they are able to tie it back to actually get the $$ unless they also successfully got into someone's PayPal account. Even if they did that, I'm not sure how the would get the money considering how restrictive PayPal's policies are on transferring money.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:32:20: Again, I remind anyone who's thinking about "taking a chance" that there are no keyboards. There's no payoff. Best case scenario you give the seller a loan for a couple months, worst case you receive a brick in the mail or something and it becomes a big hassle with the dispute system.

This is a classic too good to be true auction... I know the price feels really tempting, but don't fall for it. it's all liessss
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:34:48: I wish there was a better way to report these sellers. I realize there is a report feature but I can't seem to find anything under it to use that makes any sense in these situations.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 January 2015, 14:12:16: The caps color combo is very nice.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: jalaj on Mon, 19 January 2015, 21:26:16: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC660C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Topre-Switch-Keyboard-Free-ASDW-Keycap-/191487993629

another suspect listing by a different USA based seller, but exact same verbiage as other listing
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 January 2015, 21:49:57: Quote from: jalaj on Mon, 19 January 2015, 21:26:16
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC660C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Topre-Switch-Keyboard-Free-ASDW-Keycap-/191487993629 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC660C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Topre-Switch-Keyboard-Free-ASDW-Keycap-/191487993629)

another suspect listing by a different USA based seller, but exact same verbiage as other listing

The poster has a friend with the same dark intentions, it is an organized cartel of keyboard delinquents, or there are some other "familias" fighting for the "territory". Either case I am not interested.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Mon, 19 January 2015, 23:17:22: As you guys all talk about how this user is getting the money out, I was recently approached for a money laundering ring through paypal where they would supposedly pass the money through my paypal account to clean the funds. Now what part of that is true, I don't know. Generally best not to deal with those things.

I tried buying one of these "ZOMG" Deals through ebay once and got a keychain instead of the hard drive I ordered. The seller then asked for me to send the item back tracked for the refund (with the price I paid being less than the shipping to return the keychain). If you call paypal they'll usually side with you on this but if the seller requests the return of the item then it can raise complications. Generally paypal gives you 45 days to start a claim.

From paypal:
You can open a dispute in the Resolution Center to contact a seller directly and resolve a problematic transaction. You have 45 days from the payment date to open a dispute.

Basically be careful of these types of transactions because even though you're likely to get your money back (provided you realize this is high risk, others may be caught in that waiting period / shipping period and miss their chance at a refund) there can be a lot of hassle
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 00:55:00: Looks like a few people got greedy and couldn't resist :rolleyes:
At least they'll know how the claims process works for next time.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:15:06: Damn. had $100 in ebay bucks i wouldnt have cared about being tied up...

Would have just taken the risk.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:16:01: Quote from: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:15:06
Damn. hat $100 in ebay bucks i wouldnt have cared about being tied up...

Would have just taken the risk.

Oh well.

Facepalm...
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:17:08: More of them
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC660C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Topre-Switch-Keyboard-Free-ASDW-Keycap-/301495816756?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item46328d1234
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:18:03: Quote from: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:16:01
Quote from: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:15:06
Damn. hat $100 in ebay bucks i wouldnt have cared about being tied up...

Would have just taken the risk.

Oh well.

Facepalm...

:))
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:19:23: Bad asdfjkl36!

(http://i.imgur.com/1Ky9UVt.gif)
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:26:22: Quote from: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:19:23
Bad asdfjkl36!

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/1Ky9UVt.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/ibgUwqY.jpg)

BACK TO HOMEWORK I GO!
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 02:29:37: To whom it may concern,

FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Tue, 20 January 2015, 03:37:45: (http://i.imgur.com/6527dXM.png)

LOL WUT ?

(http://i.imgur.com/dmwz8NE.jpg)
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: berserkfan on Tue, 20 January 2015, 04:18:23: I want to start my own Leopold auction...

Hell, forget that I've ever said (like 20 times) on this forum that I am not a Topre fan. I have every model of Topre ever produced, ok? And every possible keycap set. And I will happily sell my entire collection to asdfwhatever for just $2000 shipped. Only money orders accepted.

:thumb:
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: yomammary on Tue, 20 January 2015, 07:24:52: Quote from: berserkfan on Tue, 20 January 2015, 04:18:23
I want to start my own Leopold auction...

Hell, forget that I've ever said (like 20 times) on this forum that I am not a Topre fan. I have every model of Topre ever produced, ok? And every possible keycap set. And I will happily sell my entire collection to asdfwhatever for just $2000 shipped. Only money orders accepted.

:thumb:
Done!
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: spidum on Tue, 20 January 2015, 13:42:21: I'm about 90% sure that PayPal changed their terms to 180 days for claims and chargebacks as of January 1.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: intelli78 on Thu, 22 January 2015, 20:31:23: Of course they sold out...

Now there's another one, only $89 this time.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC660C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Switch-Keyboard-Dye-Sublimated-White-PBT-/271750429288?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f45967a68
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: berserkfan on Thu, 22 January 2015, 20:57:07: Quote from: intelli78 on Thu, 22 January 2015, 20:31:23
Of course they sold out...

Now there's another one, only $89 this time.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC660C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Switch-Keyboard-Dye-Sublimated-White-PBT-/271750429288?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f45967a68

I totally fail to understand this.

Are there really so many fools? [in retrospect, sorry I asked this question.]

Is there no such thing as paypal restrictions? Don't you need photo ID to open a bank account and you can't just link a new bank account to paypal? How does the scammer figure he can take out the money he just swiped from others, without running the risk of a chargeback?
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: GL1TCH3D on Thu, 22 January 2015, 21:04:27: Quote from: berserkfan on Thu, 22 January 2015, 20:57:07
Quote from: intelli78 on Thu, 22 January 2015, 20:31:23
Of course they sold out...

Now there's another one, only $89 this time.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leopold-FC660C-Electrostatic-Capacitive-Switch-Keyboard-Dye-Sublimated-White-PBT-/271750429288?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f45967a68

I totally fail to understand this.

Are there really so many fools? [in retrospect, sorry I asked this question.]

Is there no such thing as paypal restrictions? Don't you need photo ID to open a bank account and you can't just link a new bank account to paypal? How does the scammer figure he can take out the money he just swiped from others, without running the risk of a chargeback?

I described it before.
Title: Re: Beware of this Leopold FC660C auction
Post by: blazarcher on Thu, 22 January 2015, 21:04:55: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Mon, 19 January 2015, 13:07:24
Here is what ebay's money back guarantee says

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If you did not receive the item, or the item is not as described, you have 30 days from your actual or latest estimated delivery date to open a request, under the eBay Money Back Guarantee.

:O That basically means there is no guarantee you'll get your money back!